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Post birds in their early stages. The more obscure the better.
>Pic related: you're now aware that Poland once tried to make the ADF-01 FALKEN.
>>30168999
>>30169051
Please don't, imma cry
>>30169051
makes me think of the space-passenger plane from Fifth Element when i see those nozzles..
The first Su-T50.
Goosebumps, i had absolute goosebumps when seeing the first blurry/grainy footage of the taxiing T50-0 and the takeoff of T50-1.
I remember it being such odd looking, so new, so fresh. I had the privilege of seeing it at MAKS-2011 with my own eyes.
German stealth fighter Lampyridae, project got canceled, there are the rumors that the US pressured germany to stop it.
The first Su-35S. Back then, more commonly known as the Su-35BM.
The bigger radome housing the Irbis-E PESA, the new OLS-35, the new AL-41F1S (117S) engines, the wider wings, the elimination of the vertical airbrake and "wetting" the vertical stabs allows for and additional 2.1/2.2 tons of extra fuel + refuelprobe, new electronics and new electronic systems in general realy revamped the Flanker as a viable fighter for the 21st century.
A-12
>>30168999
rip plen
>>30169051
Why it didn't suceed? What were pros and cons of it?
>>30169459
did it have a BRRRRRRT?
>>30168999
>>30169638
The aircraft that it was supposed to replace didn't, so I imagine not.
>>30169240
I liked this awesome movie.
>>30169574
>Pros: it flew fast
>Cons: it crashed fast
>>30169574
PRO:
Flies so high and so fast that Russia would need to develop an entire new generation of hypersonic fighters to intercept it
CON: SAMs are basically those entire new generation of hypersonic fighters to intercept it, and the S-75 matured around the same time
>chuckles in terrorist
>>30169716
Muh nigga
>>30169358
We really need to get the krauts back in the plane game. Imagine all the kraut spess majek we could have had already.
>>30169200
Is that something chinese? Look like J-20.
>>30169821
MiG 1.44
>>30169574
>pros
It went fast and high. It was a Mach 3 bomber with the same range as the B-52.
>cons
SAMs became a thing, so going high and fast wasn't going to save it, especially considering the radar horizon at 70,000ft is over 300nmi. It became apparent that SAMs were always going to outpace bombers - it's a lot easier to build a missile that goes faster and higher than a bomber that does - so the USAF (and everyone, really) shifted to low-level pentration with the idea that you'll avoid detection for long enough to deliver your payload. Problem was that the XB-70 was designed for high and fast, so when they started projecting out performance at low altitudes, the bomber would actually be slower and shorter-ranged than the B-52.
>>30169821
It is the MiG-1.44/1.42.
>>30169260
I wish the paintjob stayed the same. There's just something about the grey/zinc look that no camo can compete with.
>>30169967
That's not the paintjob, that's the absence of it.
>>30169672
Badass Yugo little Rafale
>>30169716
KORBEEEEN DALLAAAAAAS
>>30170096
>>30170108
>>30170121
>>30170129
Not sure if prototype but i dump
>>30170144
>>30170156
>>30170165
>>30169967
Like >>30170005 said, it isnt a paintjob.
The yellow stuff is primer, covering the metal bits and the grey stuff is largely composite materials that dont have a coat of paint on them.
Pic related, its an unpainted Flanker.
![heinkel_he_100d_1_greif_by_comradeloganov-d4w73co[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/z0Hcsv0.jpg "heinkel_he_100d_1_greif_by_comradeloganov-d4w73co[1].png")
Dumped thanks to Shilling that puts Lockmart to shame
>>30170175
Does wind tunnel models count?
SAAB-36 "Vargen" (Wolf), Sweden's first (and only) proposed supersonic nuclear bomber. Never got beyond wind tunnel model stage due to the cancellation of Sweden's nuclear program
![il-102_real_01[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bIg4sra.jpg "il-102_real_01[1].jpg")
>Modern IL-2 never
;_;
>>30169757
>Sergeant, where's the flight stick?
>We didn't have time or budget to fake everything, pretend one is there.
>OK, how's this?
>Looks good.
>>30170176
Oh believe me, I know what the grey and yellow is. I probably shouldn't have said paintjob.
>>30170411
>I probably shouldn't have said paintjob.
Yeah, you shouldnt but i get your point about the looks of unpainted planes.
They look a lot different. Even beautifully so.
Well, if we're posting unpainted planes...
>>30169200
The 1.44 is one of those planes that is still lodged in my head as "Coming soon" even though it's long dead.
It won't be "The future" for me until Russia has Su-47s and MiG 1.44s
>>30168999
>>30169472
did it ever fly.. or is this just a wood mockup?
>>30170175
P-38 just wasn't the same after they put him through the rack.
Does anyone have that picture of its control surfaces all spread out?
>>30170182
>Rostock-Marienehe
>Rostock
isn't that the name of the company in Skycrawlers?
>>30168999
>>30169757
apparently all of the in flight instruments were cheap civilian shit they bought and placed in weird spots
>>30169821
Russian MiG 1.44
>>30171417
Anon, this is a blue board, we can't post such lewd photographs
>>30168999
>>30170221
Kill me please !
>>30168999
needed a couple MG 131's and deployed into combat.
primitive helicopter gunships in ww2. Jesus what could have been
>>30171417
[spoiler]no spoiler in /k/[/spoiler]
>>30170880
Never moved past mockup stage, budget was cut and project was canceled.
>>30176865
this shit is a goldmine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rotorcraft_used_in_World_War_II
>>30169051
Looks like a French Concorde, did it share any characteristics with it?
>>30170483
>coming to a theater near you
lol, the industrial-military complex has a good sense of humor.
>>30172968
>>30179101
>French Concorde
So Concorde?
Other than being a big plane designed to go fast [with the resultant aerodynamics.] with a predominantly white paintscheme, not really. It's closer to a Tu-144 in overall shape.
>>30170829
Anyone know what this is? Some sort of ram air intake?
>>30169723
A tailing Starfighter flew into the prototype and crashed it. Hardly a fault of the Valkrie. However, the project could not recover monetarily. The project was also a gov subsidied R&D for Boeing to develop America's supersonic passenger jet which was also scuppered. Ironically, the 747 was developed as the homely fat side girlfriend to the supersonic passenger jet but ended up ruling the skies.
>>30177986
>No nozzle vectoring
Wtf China.
>>30169721
;_;
>>30179186
i've seen more advanced home built simulators.
>>30169638
It was the replacement for the A-6 Intruder...
>>30180137
no idea, it doesn't even connect with the engine, maybe its something to do with drag at the root of the tail
>>30169757
What in God's name where the Iranians thinking when they made this thing? Who the hell were they trying to fool with this over-designed, glorified model plane? Even myself as a ten-year-old would not have come up with something so obviously deficient and try to pass it off in public.
Look at that tiny cockpit, which could barely fit a prepubescent child let alone that pilot. Or those over-sized canards paired with those tiny wings, making it look like the world's first a four winged jet. Or just how ridiculously tiny it is for a military plane. Pic related is a model of the F-313; an aviation expert mentioned that the only way for the air frame to mount a bomb is to MOUNT THE FUCKING THING ON THE PLANE'S BACK. It would have to perform an aileron roll before it can release the bomb. Seriously.
Sure it might impress some idiots at home, but what are they gonna say for themselves when the thing never really materializes ten years down the road after making this much fanfare? I am embarrassed for every Iranian who cares for things like this.
>>30179068
This person is correct.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flettner_Fl_265
>>30183049
>making it look like the world's first a four winged jet
Not so fast there buddy
this thing is pure sex
>>30180137
It'd be an intake for either an APU or ECU, or just a cool air intake for either the engine / engine accessories; it's relatively easy to pipe air around a jet - the F-35 has a heat exchanger on it's right side (opposite the gun on the A model) that's also the air intake for the IPP on the opposite side of the jet (rear of the gun).
>>30180137
Not sure, but that's a good guess. Probably a ram air intake to power the APU in the event of both engines failing.
>>30169757
Damn, that canopy glass looks like shit.
>>30169574
The paradigm of "high and fast" bombers was obsolete by the time it came around thanks to improvements in SAMs.
They gave the prototypes to NASA to do research with, then one of them crashed.
>>30183202
>XF-108 Rapir
>The program had progressed only as far as the construction of a single wooden mockup when it was cancelled in 1959
not even a gate guard to go drool over
>>30181161
Eh, FAA shenanigans would have killed the SST anyway. You're not allowed to pass Mach 1 in American airspace, so the only thing you could do is transoceanic voyages. And the Concorde demonstrated you can't survive very well on that.
>>30179186
Oh God, look at this shit, it's literally made of fiberglass.
>>30179186
>airspeed indicator with 250 knots as the never exceed
>>30183509
Most of the equipment was ID'd almost immediately as genera aviation stuff for Cessnas and other light props.
>>30183531
I had forgotten about that. Amusing as fuck to see the airspeed indicator of a twin engine Piper or something in there.
>>30183470
Couldn't the plane makers lobby the shit out of Congress to have that changed?
>>30168999
XP-38 Lightning with the smooth lines only seen in prototypes.
>>30183703
They could've but if I remember my aviation legislation class well enough, the FAA makes all its regs in house and doesn't pass them through congress
>>30183777
also, forgot picture
BOOM double P51
>>30183703
NASA's working on that now, actually. They're doing a shit ton of research into making quieter sonic booms, the idea being that successfully testing a quiet SST demonstrator might be enough to get the FAA to make exceptions for certain aircraft for SSTs.
>>30183703
>Congress
I mean, you could try, but the FAA is a bureaucracy like the ATF.
Which is why breaking the FARs is such an idiot move because you're the FAA's bitch and they decide how to punish you.
>>30183777
The FAA sucks worse than the FCC.
Fuck them.
>>30183796
yeah you're fucking telling me
1000 hours to get your ATP? actually fuck that.
>>30183796
>>30183811
Not to mention dragging their feet like nobody's business on setting a regulation that actually makes sense.
As the saying goes, the FAA's policies are written in blood.
>because people have to die for any rules to change
>>30183827
and when people do die and the regulations change they're fucking stupid
>IE 1000 hour rule
THEERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF LACK OF EXPERIENCE IN THE COLGAN AIR CRASH
yes im mad.
The Nord 1500 Griffon II, France's 1950's ramjet monster that never entered production.
>>30183864
Want to get even madder?
You only need to score 70 to pass the AMT tests.
>>30183913
AMT as in aviation maint tech? or similar?
Yeah, I need a 70 to pass ground school, and a 70(?) to pass my written? It's fuckin hilariously easy. And passing checkride is even easier because its literally open book. I mean I ain't complainin but seriously
Designed by legendary fighter designer Sir Sydney Camm (who designed the Hurricane, Typhoon and Tempest) the Hawker P.1121 was a sleek, modern fighter that looked more out of the 70s than out of the 50s. But it was all for nothing as the UK decided to just completely self-immolate their defence sector and their army in the infamously idiotic 1958 White Paper calling for fighter jets to be replaced with long range guided missiles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_P.1121
>>30183983
Yeah, A&P mechanics.
I always found it mind boggling how the FAA would be perfectly okay with a score that is almost failing in any other grading metric.
>>30184124
70 is the nationwide standard for "average"
I don't want my fucking mechanics being average. I'd even be happy with 80 for fucks sake
Also, I was at the airport about a month ago, and I was stuck while they repacked the emergency slide
Some lady was talking to me about how the airlines use duct tape and that its extremely unsafe, and they use it for almost every fix
Fuck some people are stupid
>>30184143
>duct tape for everything
I wouldn't put it past some airlines to try, although God help them if they get caught doing that.
What makes ME mad is how fucking expensive FAA-approved parts are. I mean, I understand the standard, but it's ridiculous how an approved part can be several times more expensive than an identical part that isn't approved.
I'm not sure people appreciate just how expensive planes are.
>>30184245
I mean she was talking about speed tape, which is legal and used quite a bit, but only for aesthetic things and to hold shit down when they're at a spoke airport and don't have dedicated A&Ps at the airport
planes are god damn expensive. One of my friends owns a 1976 plane and he just had to down it for the 3rd time this year, and spent so much repairing it, not including mech costs
RIP In peace
Here's the Chinese Nanchang J-12, a lightweight fighter designed to compete against the Chinese copy of the MiG-21, the Chengdu J-7 which it lost to.
>>30171417
Does anyone know the significance of the dragon symbol in the left of the picture?
>>30184563
It's a watermark for some guy that camps out near the airbases and takes a lot of these sorts of photos
>>30184490
Not really a competitor with the MiG-21. The PLAAF saw the guerrilla tactics the NVAF was using against America
>fighters dispersed and hidden
>ground control vectoring in fighters to strike groups
>fighters pop up, make one pass, force some strike aircraft to abort, and run
And thought it'd be a great idea to build a fighter around the concept. So they went and built the crudest fighter ever, with an emphasis on simplicity and rough-field handling above all else. The result was the lightest supersonic aircraft ever, complete with a range so short it makes the MiG-21 look long-legged.
>>30183470
That's incorrect. Not below 30,000ft and not by built up areas.
>>30185576
Really? I thought there was a complete ban on commercial supersonic flight over the continental US. If the restriction was just under 30k ft, the Concorde would have been able to fly domestically - it cruised up at 60k ft.
>>30169358
I imagine the Germans would make truly beautiful aircraft if they were to attempt it
>>30180137
APU intake or possibly heat exchange/electronics cooling intake
>>30182029
Wasn't she just magnificent?
>>30183373
Literally every single component looks like shit
>>30185596
Concorde wass killed by American butthurt more thane anything else. A lot of political capital went in to attempting to get it banned completely.
>>30168999
That thing should be in an Ace Combat game.
>>30183777
>the FAA makes all its regs in house and doesn't pass them through congress
Sort of. Congress authorizes the FAA, setting boundaries for their authority, but gives them a large degree of rulemaking latitude. Same as with pretty much all the specialized federal bureaucracies. Nothing would ever get done otherwise, Congress doesn't have time to figure all that shit out.
However, the ban on commercial supersonic flights in particular was explicitly an act of Congress, likely itself encouraged by lobbying from Boeing following the cancellation of funding for the 2707 program and introduction of the Concorde.
>>30170214
>swedish nuke bomber
>what beauty could have been, had they just dared
I have no face and i must weep
>>30185576
>Since March 1973, supersonic flight over land by civil aircraft has been prohibited by regulation in the United States.
Straight from the FAA, dude. I guess you can go supersonic over water, but that's still not useful unless you're going to cross an ocean.
>related material
http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part91-817-FAR.shtml
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/apl/noise_emissions/supersonic_aircraft_noise/media/noise_policy_on_supersonics.pdf
>>30183811
Ehh... 1000 hours is the reduced ATP mins. 1500 is the normal..
>>30183049
>making it look like the world's first a four winged jet
imagine
>Biplane Jets
I guess it could have worked as CAS on carriers
>>30183885
France was really obsessed about ramjets back then
see that glass cilinder in the middle of the engine? yeah, that's cockpit
>>30169200
Is that where Generals got Chinese Migs?
>>30185873
Some things are just too beautiful for this mortal coil, friend.
>>30186506
In the YF-23's case, it's main problem was not having enough parts farmed out to as many Congressional districts as possible.
>>30168999
>you're now aware that Poland
Kurva cant into planes
>>30187819
also posting the X 32.
Would have loved the thing with some painted on jaws.
>>30181161
>gov subsidied R&D for Boeing to develop America's supersonic passenger jet
The flight test data from the NASA/XB-70 program was given to all the companies bidding on the SST. Sadly, Boeing couldn't read the blueprints and went through a couple of design iterations that couldn't fly. They should have picked the company that knew what they were doing in the first place and proved it.
>>30183470
>You're not allowed to pass Mach 1 in American airspace,
Only after the SST failed and Boeing needed to kill the Concorde. They subsidized the 'Ban the Bang' campaign.
>>30186402
nevah bin dun befoh
Jets and biplane arrangements don't mix very well, anyway.
>>30170182
Heinkel were the ones doing the shilling, pham. The He-100 came too late and didn't offer enough of and improvement over the Bf-109 E to be worth putting into production. When Messerschmitt made the 109 F the question was satisfactorily put to rest until Kurt Tank shit on both of them even with a worse engine.
>>30186096
At first I was gonna call you a dipshit...
