So there is a lot of talk about civil war here in the US, revolution ect....
While its a fun topic to discuss, a real civil war would be a disaster, not just flr the US but for the whole world.
On the home front:
>Electricity, water, sewage facilities and roads are legitimate targets
>criminal elements run rampant during conflicts
>this means you have no means to cook food, cities have no means to get food or get rid of human waste, shipping grinds to a halt.
Those two factors mean that pretty much from the outset, disease and starvation will run rampant, while the criminal element makes things worse.
Regardless of who was winning, the civilian casualties would be in the millions, largely due to disease or starvation.
Even in middle America tjings are bad, sure if you live on a farm you wont starve, but you also wont be driving (no trucks to bring gas from refineries), no electricity and no a lot of other shit you take forgranted.
World wide
>US dollar is now worthless
>all oil is traded in Dollars
>OPEC is now defensless
Doesnt sound too bad right? Well how long do you think those kings are going to stay n power when their enemies figure out they are no longer backed up by the US military? ISIS like groups will now rape their way across the OPEC nations and Europe now has no gas.
There is also a lot of talk about zombies coming about and killing everyone. Doesnt mean it has any actual basis in reality or will happen.
>>30166216
> ISIS like groups will now rape their way across the OPEC nations and Europe now has no gas.
I'm not seeing the problem here.
>>30166243
>thinking that a civil war has no basis in reality and compares it to zombies
God damn you're retarded
>>30166216
Thats only assuming a long term fully unleashed civil war that is worst case ala Syria.
Anerica has had both large conflicts ala the Civil War and various smaller engagements which for the most part were isolated in regions with clear factions.
Any civil unrest in the states would probably start localized and run its course as it were as there are still plenty of political avenues for the USA to 'release pressure on the valve' if you get me. Such as further breaking up of states, rebel groups gaining political support ala what the IRA did after their own conflicts in the 70s, etc.
If we were to have a civil war, what it would probably come down to would be left wing extremists vs right wing extremists. So you'd have vegans with yoga mats and brightly colored hair going up against rednecks with AKs and their cousins attached to their crotch while the moderates of each side hunker down and just watch the shit play out.
>>30166281
>There is a .000000000000000000001% something will happen so its a legit threat.
An actual civil war breaking out in the US right now is so unlikely its pretty much guaranteed to not happen. The point i was making is that just because some nutjobs are saying something doesnt mean it has any actual merit.
>>30166216
>but for the whole world.
nah
>US dollar is now worthless
Why would it immediately crash because of some skirmishes with police?
>all oil is traded in Dollars
You could just literally not do that, and even then, the oil would retain its relative value in euros or dong or pounds or whatever. And looking it up now, there's other currencies to trade oil in just fine because oil doesn't exclusively come from Texas and Saudi, and even OPEC countries are increasingly becoming fine with using Euros.
>OPEC is now defensless
There are other coalition countries.
>>30166312
>left wing extremists don't exist
>anyone left of centre automatically is a pink-haired starbucks afficionado
goddamn americans
You're right, we should just roll over for King George and accept the tax on tea. These are his colonies, after all.
>>30166312
>there are just pinkos with yoga mats
>there are no communists with guns
>>30166403
>>there are no communists with guns
99% of neo-coms want to ban guns. Accept the facts, you disgusting slimy commie.
>>30166400
>You're right, we should just roll over for Landlord Al-Sammal and accept ban on guns. These are his apartments, after all.
literally another thread, right now
you people would never actually revolt
>>30166413
Why are americans so retarded?
>>30166420
>you people would never actually revolt
People are just biding their time and waiting for something exceptionally bad to happen. If HilDog becomes prez and tries an Australia-style buyback, that'd probably be the start of it.
>>30166423
Communists and socialists are the worst kinds of human beings. They are the scum of humanity.
>>30166441
hitler said that too then slavs had fun fun fun in berlin
>>30166413
What's a "neo-com"?
You mean a liberal?
>>30166441
>Communists and socialists are the worst kinds of human beings.
>not Haitians or Sunnis
u wot m8
Nothing is going to happen until there is civil unrest in enough cities for either the Feds or the UN to step in and lock it down. There's been instances of "revolutionaries" shooting cops and claiming that the revolution is starting; but that's just full retarded. You have to wait for them to make the first show of lethal force.
I believe that the position OP is arguing is that "It would be too hard, and therefore not worth the fight." Understand that the fight for freedom is worth more than a few million dead people.
>>30166281
>thinking that a civil war has no basis in reality
A modern civil war in the US really does have no basis in reality
>>30166487
Because in all honesty all that shit you listed are not worth starting a war over. Those are more like protest or riots at best, but now if something like this commie revolution or Hillary getting elected and doing Hillary shit would be more along those lines. Weather or not if that happens and how the populace reacts is different question.
>>30166482
Neo-coms are modern communists. They support the ideals of communism, but they also want to police society, and in that vein, no guns.
>>30166475
That was back then, though, when communists were made of harder stuff. They also believed in what they were doing. Modern-day reds & pinkos are soft as marshmallow.
>>30166312
You've never heard of the Black Panthers, Weather Underground, Marxists, SHARPs, those Mexicans who want Southern Cali to secede, etc?
There are plenty of violent and armed left-wing extremists brah.
>>30166487
It's because any singular group is painted as an extremist through liberal media and shown as an enemy of the state. Alot more people would have to stand together to get anything accomplished. We see it today as in not everybody wants even their closest friends and family to know they are loaded up. It's an American mindset and it's kind of a phenomenon.
>>30166216
>civilian casualties would be in the millions
you say that like it's a bad thing.
>>30166545
Are you stupid?
How can you tell somebody else what they believe? How can you be right when you're using a made up term with no political or historical usage or meaning?
>>30166216
>sewage facilities and roads are legitimate targets
I'll keep the plant running
>>30166559
Islamic terrorists have really made being an enemy of the state unfashionable.
Damn shame, really.
There already was a civil remeber? Your brothers called upon you to take up arms and send snacks and you left then to die in the cold.
>>30166545
You're just straight-up, objectively wrong.
You're thinking of college hipster """""liberals""""" and Social Justice Warrior kids on the Internet when you think commie.
There are still left-wing terrorists and armed leftist extremists, they are just not carrying out attacks right now because for the last ~10 years or so they've pretty much gotten what they want. Look at all the shit the Weather Underground did in the '70s.
If there was another highly conservative government that started banning the shit they want (taking away social safety net/welfare programs, undoing labor laws, removing minimum wage, etc) you bet your ass we'd see left-wing extremism rise again.
>>30166487
What does the sandrunes in that image say?
>>30166216
>Americans
>Starve
Bitch please, every american could sit on their arse the entire "civil war" and not die from starvation because of how full of fucking lard they are.
>>30166532
What I'm saying is that americans apparently don't have the werewithal to challenge the government in any meaningful way. All over the world, people riot at the drop of a hat, but americans just don't for some reason. If all these gun-toting revolutionary right wingers are so ready to strike, why haven't they? There have been plenty of injustices that would have sent any other group into a tizzy.
They threaten to raise student fees by five bucks in Quebec, and people literally start organized strikes against police stations and blockade universities. Greece says they're gonna go for austerity for a bit, and it brought us some of the best riot porn of the decade. America gets a black leftist president, and all the race warriors sit on their hands quietly. What gives?
>>30166579
>If there was another highly conservative government that started banning the shit they want (taking away social safety net/welfare programs, undoing labor laws, removing minimum wage, etc) you bet your ass we'd see left-wing extremism rise again.
Wasn't this basically the gist of those greek riots in 2009 or whenever it was? And I know there were a string of recent-ish (like past 5 years) student riots over hikes in tuition and loss of some social services.
>>30166578
Kek, this. Some people threatened violent insurrection against the government, and it was met with a resounding "meh" from the populace in general at best, and honestly a "what a bunch of fucking morons" from most people who aren't very, very conservative.
The government didn't even bother to crush their little rebellion, just waited until they ran out of Cheez-Its and surrendered on their own.
>>30166572
>How can you tell somebody else what they believe?
It's easily gleaned through observation. Communism, in America, is dead in the water. People only need to open a history book to find out why it's been a failure on such a massive scale. Indeed, it's probably the political ideology responsible for the greatest number of deaths in the 20th century. The only people who still cling to this infantile belief are hipsters.
>made up term
neo (new/contemporary) communists (communists) -- it's not that hard to understand.
What draws you to that vile philosophy, anyway?
>>30166579
We (communists) have not been getting what we want.
Hipster liberal SJWs have.
There are still leftists engaged in armed struggle, from Maoist people's armies, to Greek anarchist bombers, to Mexican primitivist gunmen.
>>30166626
>Communism, in America, is dead in the water.
Mostly because the things it sought to achieve have been achieved. There's lots of social services to be had, and workers rights are plentiful and well-enforced. It's not dead, it's happily retired.
why would you attack a wastewater treatment plant during the civil war, after the war ya got a bunch of shit to clean up
>>30166579
>You're thinking of college hipster """""liberals""""" and Social Justice Warrior kids on the Internet when you think commie.
More or less the same thing. A typical Bernie Sanders supporter is the archetype of modern-day communism.
>you bet your ass we'd see left-wing extremism rise again.
I can't wait until Donald J Trump is president to watch these "left wing terrorists" do absolutely nothing at all.
They will do nothing.
They are long gone.
>>30166610
>All over the world, people riot at the drop of a hat, but americans just don't for some reason.
Because our standard of living is still very high, we can still turn on the TV and have NASCAR come streaming right into our home while the delivery guy brings a bucket of KFC Extra Crispy and a 20-liter Coke right to your door.
Why riot when your life doesn't suck? What's the advantage to be gained?
>Wasn't this basically the gist of those greek riots in 2009 or whenever it was?
Also, Greece is like the size of one small-ish American state. So is the UK, most Arab countries, etc. Our country is YUUUUUUGE and there's little that unifies the inhabitants of, say, Alabama with a latte-sipping technocrat in San Francisco. They might as well be from different countries. Hard to unify a people who have literally nothing in common under a common banner.
>>30166651
>"it t-totally worked!" says nervous communist for hundredth time this century
Why, exactly, are you defending these left-wing parasites?
>>30166664
This. Euros don't realize how big America is. I'm tired of the influx of euros desu
>>30166630
>There are still leftists engaged in armed struggle
Not you, though.
>>30166657
Alright dude, your opinion is wrong though. We get that you have tons of scorn and a superiority complex over "muh stoopid pansy libruls!" and you think every single one is a blue-haired facially pierced transgender homo-kin stereotype who works at a local fair-trade Starbucks or whatever. But that's just not true. You're painting your """"enemies"""" with a very wide brush to make yourself feel better than them.
>>30166626
How can you tell somebody what they believe?
I'm not answering your questions until you answer this one.
How can you sit there and say "communists are against guns they want to take away guns"? Are you saying I'm lying when I say I don't advocate for gun control? Do you even realize how little sense it makes to suggest that gun control could exist in a world without the state or police? No you don't. Because you don't know what communism is, because you don't know shit about shit.
Yes, I know what the prefix neo is. My point is that the special snowflake term you made up is, just that, made up. It's meaningless, it's a straw man, and it's got nothing to do with what I or anybody else believes. It's a boogeyman that you use as a catch-all for "politics I don't like".
>>30166680
I don't believe in armed struggle. I believe in armed defense of ourselves and our communities.
>>30166692
I don't care much about liberals. They're stupid, but they're not anti-capitalist by nature. Communists and socialists pose a real threat to freedom and liberty. Not particularly in America, but elsewhere in the world. We need an international White Army.
>>30166670
>say that workers rights literally exist
>you chimp out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A
>>30166664
Are you saying that Canada and Europe don't have high standards of living?
>>30166677
Are you saying that a country's literal physical landmass area has anything to do with quality of life?
civil war 2.0
L
O
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not happening.
divided as fuck.
mass media.
handful of rebels with no real plan at best.
civil war is a pipe dream.
>>30166680
Against what? What should a modern liberal engage in armed struggle against?
We are allowed to unionize. There is a minimum wage. There's unemployment insurance.
You are under the false impression that the modern SJW "liberalism" is what all liberals believe, because they are the loudest on the Internet and it seems you get your info from blogs online.
If you'd talk to professional, successful liberals (who are older than, say, 30) you'd find that it is very much still the philosophy of workers' rights. Despite loving guns, disliking homosexuality and transgenderism, and being against abortion, I can't in good conscience support American conservatism because those are just the **SOCIAL** aspects of that philosophy. Which don't fucking matter. I can't call myself a conservative because that party consistently attempts to screw workers in favor of moneyed interests, CEOS, and bosses by removing restrictions on how low wages can be, trying to fuck over unionized labor, and eliminating overtime hours, among many many other things.
But people like you can't see past the fucking dogwhistle social issues that don't matter a whit.
>>30166730
>We need an international White Army.
this is what americans actually believe
>>30166699
>Because you don't know what communism is
I've read Kapital and the manifesto, chief. Go ahead and blather on about your worker owned means of production and stateless, classless, society.
It's garbage, the whole lot of it. The world would be better of if Marx had been killed before he spread his plague.
>How can you tell somebody what they believe?
I'm not putting words in people's mouths. Just find the comments of some modern day ""communists"" and you'll see that they don't resemble the ones of the past.
>It's a boogeyman that you use as a catch-all for "politics I don't like".
Not really, I'm talking about communists.
>>30166712
Lenin is very disappointed in you. Then again, you're probably not a Marxist-Leninist. You're probably a Maoist or something.
>>30166732
You are cherry picking what he said. kys dumb yuroshit. The last sentence is all ya need
>>30166756
No, just this particular retarded tripfag who's taken the "MUH GOMMIES, MURICA #1" meme too seriously
>>30166756
what? no negros for the front lines?
gtfo
>>30166732
Think it is more along the lines of why the fuck should I riot about a law that only affects the cucks up north because state rights and shit. That is the beauty of the U.S. rules do not apply to the entirety of the nation.
>>30166755
I'm not a liberal.
I'm a communist.
>>30166420
yes, we would.
we almost did last year.
think about that for a minute, let it sink in
>>30166771
Well in that case you have something to struggle against I suppose. Your belief is obnoxious though I will say, communism could never work for a country as large and heterogenous as the US.
>>30166761
I'm not pro-America, but I am anti-communist to the fullest extent that anyone could be. I could kill all the communists in the world and sleep like a baby.
>>30166755
>I can't call myself a conservative because that party consistently attempts to screw workers in favor of moneyed interests, CEOS, and bosses by removing restrictions on how low wages can be, trying to fuck over unionized labor, and eliminating overtime hours, among many many other things.
I'm not a conservative, so you're barking up the wrong tree, here.
>>30166758
>I've read capital
I don't believe you.
>I've read the manifesto
Literally meaningless.
Maoism is Marxism Leninism. It is "the highest stage of Marxist-Leninist thought". But no, I am not a Maoist or a Leninist of any sort, I'm not even a Marxist.
>>30166795
So what's your philosophy, then? What do you subscribe to? Hell, give me a reason to feel bad that I'll have to shoot you when you try to mount your 'revolution'.
>>30166216
and you find a problem with this?
>>30166664
>Our country is YUUUUUUGE
This is a shitty meme and has to die. Just because there's more people doesn't mean that the politics suddenly change. If anything, the higher number of people should make it MORE likely that these sorts of protests and revolts should happen, since more people means more manpower overall with which to force your way aganst a fundamentally singular entity (da gubment)
> there's little that unifies the inhabitants of, say, Alabama with a latte-sipping technocrat in San Francisco.
But in Austin, there's plenty of lappe-sipping technocrats who might identify with the San Francisco counterpart, and New York has plenty of angry blacks who might gladly correspond with a Black Panther cell in Georgia. And even then, it doesn't answer why there aren't many protests or much of a rebel spirit in general in the US. "It's too big" is a shitty excuse when there's plenty of international and extranational groups willing to use a lot of force to force their way politically, ranging from de-facto international trade unions to fucking ISIS.
>>30166768
Okay -- student riots in Canada were only really a Quebec thing, because only Quebec has a tuition freeze. That doesn't mean they didn't still happen, nor that there wasn't solidarity with international student groups, or specific smaller groups in other countries with similar goals.
>>30166429
Obama couldn't get anything rolling with an all democrat senate. what do you think she can do?
>>30166732
Canada is not due for a revolution anytime soon because of the same reasons as America and Europe is having demographic issues due to mass importation of Muslims and realizing the an all powerful central govt that is largely unelected (yes I know about euro parliament but they only have the yes or no vote, the actual legislation is drafted and presented by a council of unelected buerocrats) is a terrible idea for them. Still probably won't be civil war
>>30166835
>Obama couldn't get anything rolling with an all democrat senate.
Except for Obummer-care, the travesty that won't go away.
>>30166835
Nominate two Supreme Court justices
>>30166610
>Waah waah five bucks raise led to riots
You know why, you dumbass? Because the people we're talking about that would go to a legit civil war are waiting for, you know, tyranny. Like, martial law, doorkicking gun confiscation tyranny. Soft tyranny like the NSA is impossible to stop without complete overthrow, and isn't an immediate physical threat, so most people tend to ignore it - not to mention a bunch of dumb fucking people actually defend it, too.
You see, what you're looking for, and I mean this in the least possibly racist manner, is "Niggers." They can be of any race, but their creeds seem to be generally aligned. Basically, people rioting over dumb ass student loan raises and welfare and the labor riots over in France now are, generally, looked upon as filthy idiots that achieve nothing but garnering resentment for themselves. They think they're accomplishing anything else, and they aren't. They're just pissing people off, much like all the fucksticks over in Ferguson or wherever else Black Lives Matter or La Raza likes to riot.
It's not in the American nature to riot like that and be petulant. We are complacent, to a point, and complacent isn't the word for it. We're just looking for something really serious and immediately physically threatening before we start acting like scum, unlike you Euros that look down upon us as uneducated violent idiots while there's a new ineffectual, violent, aimless riot every other week.
>>30166475
that was after how many years of war. think before you post kid.
>>30166806
I don't believe any revolution (of the kind radicals have always called for) is coming, just collapse and civil war.
To me the response to that situation involves abolition of private property (to the extent it would still exist), mutual aid/voluntary collectivism, and free association.
>>30166525
its going on now.
>>30166547
try thinking. it may help. next time you want to use the word "brah", don't.
>>30166837
>Canada is not due for a revolution anytime soon
True, but someone tried to assassinate a premier recently. When's the last time someone took a shot at a politician in the US despite all the rage for dem LIEberals?
>>30166579
>If there was another highly conservative government that started banning the shit they want (taking away social safety net/welfare programs, undoing labor laws, removing minimum wage, etc) you bet your ass we'd see left-wing extremism rise again.
you havent gotten anything you faggots wanted.
the only thing you "got" was played by politicians who made mountains of cash off of your ignorance.
the big difference between the 70s and now is you (leftists) no longer have a monopoly on the media and there are more people willing to call you a "terrorist" and are allowed to carry guns and defend themselves.
so, start shit get hit.
>>30166828
you really think that people are going to start a revolution by bonding at starbucks?
person 1: you like hazelnut?
person 2: I love hazelnut!
person 1: lets start a war!
person 2: *sip sip* lets!
you need to sober up.
>>30166849
>abolition of private property
>being compatible with anything free or voluntary
>he fell for the anarcho-communism meme
>>30166845
>beelines to gun confiscation
Yeah, because no other tyranny has happened in the US. None at all. No NSA dragnets, no rulings on police powers, nothing.
>>30166860
>literally the next example was referencing the black panthers
Are you too autistic to understand that places are diverse, and that people may connect over distance? You're literally on an online imageboard right now and don't seem to understand this concept. Amazing
>>30166849
>I don't believe any revolution (of the kind radicals have always called for) is coming, just collapse and civil war.
Marx theorized that there'd be a natural segue from capitalism to communism, but it seems like it's a long time coming. Chances are, it's never going to happen.
I can almost guarantee you that any society established in the aftermath of the 2nd American civil war is going to be Capitalist.
>>30166216
>oil trade is in dollars
for now. OPEC nations have already begun talks with other countries (namely EU) to move away from US dollars. The world community at large trades in US dollars as well, making it the current "world reserve currency" but that too will change. There have already been meetings (that the US was not invited too) about switching back to precious metals as the reserve currency for international trades.
If (when) the US dollar collapses, the world will simply pick a new trade currency for oil and international deals. This is known because it's already happened before. Last time, the reserve currency was the bongland pound (I think).
That being said, the US is still a central part of the world economy. Many (if not most) countries in the world rely on the US buying their exports to keep the books afloat. What happens when the US stops buying? Worse yet, when the BILLIONS of dollars worth of foreign aid stop?
I agree that there would be a lot of ISIS like groups running around and causing problems for OPEC countries, but I also believe that Russia, China, and the EU will all being playing hardball when things kick off. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY want's a radical group in charge of the worlds oil, so you'll have the super powers (what's left of them) duking it out in the middle east to seize control of the oil and put themselves on top with the new petrol currency. I think it would start with them doing backroom deals and supplying different groups, but eventually EU/UK, China/Russia would start shooting at each other directly. That would be bad. Really bad.
Meanwhile, world leaders will do everything they can to get the US up and running because everyone's economy will be in the shitter. Governments will be bankrupting themselves trying to gain control over the oil, and I fell like a Russia/China alliance would have the best chance at it.
This is just me pulling a theory out of my ass based on what little I know about the world.
>>30166777
trips of truth
>>30166699
>how can you blah blah blah...
get fucked commie shitbag, thats how.
>>30166845
>You see, what you're looking for, and I mean this in the least possibly racist manner, is "Niggers." They can be of any race, but their creeds seem to be generally aligned. Basically, people rioting over dumb ass student loan raises and welfare and the labor riots over in France now are, generally, looked upon as filthy idiots that achieve nothing but garnering resentment for themselves.
Except they keep consistently winning, so,
>We are complacent
I prefer the term "pussies", but yeah, you're pretty complacent. Rather than trying to change anything, you're content to just keep cradling that AR, thinking it'll "scare the government" into not reaming you day-to-day.
And amazing that you have the gall to call the peoples of other countries weak or cowardly when they're the ones who are getting into street fights with police willy-nilly, and apparently don't even have scary black rifles to do it with!
>>30166755
Look, you can say your shit until you're blue in the face, but the fact of the matter is, if you vote blue, you're voting against guns. You're voting for open borders and unrestricted immigration, you're voting for a bunch of shit tied to a party just because you want to cling to the idea of being such a good, tolerant, intelligent liberal who cares about workers rights.
Too bad. That's not how it is anymore. The SJW bullshit is the new generation, and I'd like to hear you seriously say how much of it you disagree with. Do you think transgenderism is a mental illness? Do you think identity politics should be followed as they're being established? What about current economic policy and shift towards more socialistic policies?
If you don't directly oppose them, if you sit under their banner and don't directly oppose what they are pushing, you're indistinguishable from them, even if you think you aren't. Deal with it.
>>30166877
forgot to put on my trip, that way you guys know who to call a faggot for getting everything wrong.
>>30166777
>can't move rifle side to side at all
gr8 oper8ing m8 i r8 it 8/8
but seriously,
>we almost did last year.
when, i dont watch the news
>>30166904
>either you're full /pol/ or a tumblrina sjw there is no inbetween pick your side now in front of me right here so i can yell at you!!!!!!!!!
>>30166873
you aren't being realistic.
if we have a civil war its not going to be about some social injustice bullshit you saw on the news, bruh.
everyone in here talkin about communsim and nobody mentions that would be the end of govt on the state level and wed surely see somebody important rise from the ashes.
you know, like the north vs south situation - they had a leader, they had their own currency - each side.
but only jews and bratty fuckin day care baby college kids want communism or socialism here so its not going to happen. I dont believe were that dumb here yet.
>>30166876
Marx did not believe in any sort of evolutionary path to communism, at best he thought there were electoral routes in some countries, though he has been proven wrong on that.
He thought, correctly, that capitalism automatically made the conditions for socialist revolution.
Any "society" that emerges from any sort of large scale collapse and civil war in the US will be very different from what proceeded it. And I don't think anything that compares to the "USA" will materialize.
>>30166761
you can add me to that list too
fuck commies
>>30166898
>posting a champion of gun control on here like he's a good guy
Get fucked you anti piece of shit.
>>30166877
>the euro
>being stable enough to be the new petro currency
Haha, wat?
>>30166946
Sorry, friendo, but commie-land will never occur on this soil.
never.
>>30166795
>Maoism is Marxism Leninism. It is "the highest stage of Marxist-Leninist thought". But no, I am not a Maoist or a Leninist of any sort, I'm not even a Marxist.
its all worthless meaningless trash for people who want to sound smart without actually thinking, and I make it a point burn every copy of capital, the communist manifesto, and theory of the leasure class that I come across
>>30166216
People are too comfortable to do anything more than vent their rage on the internet.
>>30166873
It's difficult to organize a fucking revolution across state lines. Remember that NSA thing you're thinking of? Yeah, because of that. Also, because most of the leftist groups you're mentioning are for disarmament, or actively scared of guns.
Also, I beeline for gun confiscation, because I said IMMEDIATE, PHYSICAL THREAT. NSA is not something that affects people on the daily, patriots or pussies. It isn't taking their property. It isn't hurting them. It isn't scaring them. People even justify it, because they're stupid. And the fact is, that is literally a worldwide change that would go all the way up to taking over DC to achieve. People just aren't going to do that over something that doesn't inconvenience them daily, as terrifying and tyrannical that may be. Get that through your thick skull.
We have other tyranny, but it either gets dealt with on a low level, dealt out on a low level, or dealt so high yet soft nothing is to be done. That's it. Realize that.
>>30166902
They win because we aren't savage idiots like them that think what they're accomplishing is garnering any result other than hatred for them and their cause. Oh, big whoop, cops have body cams and trannies are in bathrooms. The general opposition for them grows stronger every day, every riot, every dumb protest. I've heard more overtly racist shit than ever after Ferguson and the like, and I live in the south. People are done having to watch what they say or else lose their jobs because Collegedegree McGee's professor told her those were badthink. We're letting them continue while trying to achieve what we want through voting. The current state of the left exists because we're kind enough not to just hit back.
>Aww call out people of other countries blah blah
We're not the ones acting like savages and, protip, I took a parting shot at Euros because I'm sick of getting called stupid for being American when you guys are acting like fucking children. Drop your superiority complex.
>>30167000
comfortable?
more like helpless.
>>30166977
The western seaboard is being covered in left leaning parasites. Do you belive in balkenization because it's happening right now.
>>30166993
Burning books is part of the communist revolution -- not allowing counter-revolutionaries and subversives the right to speak. Do not stoop to that level.
The best bet is to just let people read Capital and they'll realize that Marx was a total crackpot. It's long and dry, but you can get people to read it.
>>30166975
again, just a theory based off of what I know. why would this be an unrealistic scenario? always wanting to learn more.
I see it as this; with the US Dollar missing in action, the EU would have a good chance at keeping their economy going on some level simply by keeping up trade with one another. they managed to do this and have powerful empires and great economies for centuries before the US was around. What would stop them from being able to do much of the same? Even still, I think that a Russia-China alliance would be the dominating force in the middle east. Both have issue with force projection (not enough ways to transport enough troops or tanks) but if they put all their eggs into one bigass basket, I think they could pull it off.
am I way off here? why do you think?
>>30166873
>Yeah, because no other tyranny has happened in the US. None at all. No NSA dragnets, no rulings on police powers, nothing
not to middle class, non criminal, americans.
all that shit is a big problem for terrorists though.
>>30166977
You still can't wrap your head around what I'm saying?
Communism is how me and my friends will survive American Civil War 2: Fury Road.
That's as retard-simple as I can make it. Google the terms "disaster communism" and "communization" if you want to look at things that are actual explanations. But I'm not going to take anything seriously on a Bulgarian candlemaker's forum.
>>30167012
>Do you belive in balkenization because it's happening right now.
I'm not a statist, so the idea doesn't bother me. It's just that communism is antipodal to freedom and liberty.
>>30166958
>Im trying to divide and conquer
yeah eat shit commie scum, FOPA was a good thing for gun rights and the first nail in the coffin for creeping gun control.
and it just burns you up inside.
>>30167031
>Communism is how me and my friends will survive American Civil War 2: Fury Road.
Right, and I'm the bloody duke of edinburgh.
>not having a septic system
>not having water close by
>not knowing how to survive without electricity
>not having stores of food & weapons & seeds
>not having a mental plan for if something happens
>not prepared to eat worthless pets
Fuck anyone that matches these conditions.
>>30167043
Private property can't exist without the state, you know?
>>30166858
2011, Gabrielle Giffords
>>30167061
Private property doesn't exist because of the state. See what happens when you don't pay your property taxes.
>>30166928
>Anime posting
>Going for the classic liberal standby of "Small dick haha"
>Pretending I said that
No, read it again. I'm saying, if you think those people are so powerless and separate from YOUR version, or who ever else's version of liberalism, why is it dominating the media? Why is it on the cover of Time, why are musicians and businesses and porn websites and whatever the fuck else boycotting North Carolina to thunderous applause? I could go on, but stop being fucking dense.
I'm not saying there's two sides and you need to choose so we can complain, that's the opposite. I want someone I can actually have discourse with. That is not the modern left. The SJW sorts of bullshit is unarguably dominant on the left as of late, and they aren't exactly open to discussion or dissenting opinions. What I'm saying is, if you think they're so small and dumb, explain their seeming size. It's because people on the left just let them run amok and agree with them. If they were really so different we'd be seeing much more pushback.
tl;dr: Again I say, doesn't matter if you're left or right, they're dominating the discussion at the moment, and if you aren't pushing back against them, you're functionally with them. It's the moderate Muslim who's like "I'm totally moderate, guys! I just also don't condemn suicide bombings and am fine with Sharia law." Well, in that case, you're doing jack shit in terms of dissent, so you're effectively of their ranks and opinion.
>>30166413
This is why people want to bomb america
>>30167061
Yes, it can, stirner-man. It's called anarcho-capitalism, or ayncrap for short.
>>30167020
nah, i understand your point but fuck that.
Id go for copies of the federalist papers, the constitution, and atlas shrugged instead.
and Id make sure to charge them for it
>>30167074
I wish a nigga would.
fact: everyone itt that actually knows anything about communism is completely against it.
>>30167082
The Fountainhead is better, famalam.
>>30166939
>you aren't being realistic.
True, but it's a 4chan thread, it's worth it to be a bit hyperbolic.
But seriously, Smericans just seem to be a fundamentally obedient and unquestioning people who just cannot challenge authority. Law and authority to hold an inordinate amount of power to Americans, like what's law is automatically good, and not what's good becomes law.
>>30167006
Why weren't there sequels to the LA riots every time a nigger got shot? Why wasn't there a violent reaction from stormfront types to a black president being elected? What about the fact that in other countries, when "little" stuff happens, people protest it anyway? Why are americans such chumps who let themselves be walked over all the time?
>le protest juss gets u haeted on :^)
Except those protests have tended to work in getting those groups what they want. And protip: most concerns that people have protested over in recent years haven't just been "college badthink", it's usually stuff that has to do with poor people trying to save time and money. Workers' rights, tuition freezes, that sort of thing. Not "trannies in bathrooms"
>>30167090
That can't be true, anon, there are Real Communist™s in here.
>>30167049
>pretending Reagan didn't sign the Mulford act
>pretending Reagan didn't oppose bearing arms
>pretending Reagan didn't support the 94AWB
Keep supporting anti-gun politicians, buddy.
>>30166429
>>30166441
>>30166545
Stay mad, americuck
>>30167110
You don't have to be mad to be anti-com. It's actually very easy.
>>30167076
Yes, your NAP will keep you safe from my 77gr 5.56. I'll just spook myself into respecting your property instead of looking on it as my own.
>>30167074
But, like, he's right. Aside from Berniebots and university idiots and hippies, legitimate fucking communists are slim to none in the population. Not only is that first half for disarmament, if we use the right-wing radio definition of "Socialist," most of those people are, too.
Actual strong-valued, pro-revolution, arms-on-every-mantle commies don't exist. Deal with it, pinko. Enjoy your new dyed-haired friends.
>>30167101
aka Jews.
>>30167031
>Communism is how me and my friends will survive American Civil War 2: Fury Road.
>communism is how me and my friends end up scrounging for meager scraps of existence until some Free Americans find us weak and starving in our fortress of squalortude and put us out of our misery
>>30167092
>>30167082
unironically endorsing anne a shit, plz kys
>>30167126
I mean, if you try to shoot me, I'll just shoot you. I hope you're a good shot, anon.
>>30167063
Pauline is more recent. 2012. :^)
j/k i didnt know about that case. still, I stand by my statements' spirit of "americans are mostly pussies who are afraid to even jay-walk"
>>30167129
>Berniebots and university idiots and hippies
those aren't communists and communists are rare as fuck, because again, many of the things that communists want already exist to the fullest degree feasable -- workers have lots of rights, unions are protected, social services are provided by the gubment, etc. There's not really much for a communist to fight for in the modern west
>>30167138
>this playground level shit
are all Americans like this?
>>30167134
>LOLbertarianism
*tips fedora*
The government is your friend! Fucking nerd lool.
>>30167134
>advocating rand
>the parasite who couldn't make it in hollywood and ended up basically whoring around until she could collect social security instead of doing anything useful in her life
wew lad
>>30167074
success breeds jealousy
>>30167148
>There's not really much for a communist to fight for in the modern west
What about communism?
>>30167148
>are Americans this bad
Have you ever heard of shitposting?
Nobody here is making a real argument, that would be a massive waste of time. We're not THAT autistic. Now excuse me, I have to go put on all my gear and take a pic for the /GQ/ thread.
>>30167092
i like fountainhead but it seems less complete.
and it can be a turn off to females
>>30167074
2bh reading /k/ makes me want to join an anti-american terror organization, I know that you shouldn't take 4chan seriously but these sorts of sentiments aren't exactly unique to /k/ or even 4chan as a whole anyway
the US seems to be a nation of paranoid schizophrenic retards by all indications
>>30167163
how are you having this much trouble grasping this
>>30167102
>I get all my information from "progressive" websites, the post
>>30167181
>c-commies got everything they wanted they're retired now
>USA is primarily capitalistic with huge gaps in earning, while providing meager social safety nets
They sure won, buddy. weweee.
>>30167094
Really? Do tell me what they've all accomplished. So you're fine with fiery riots and violence against the police overtaking elected officials and people voting people people wanted to act like animals in the street? Sounds fantastic.
No, every time a black person got shot does not cause a new LA riot, that's only been the last couple years and because of dumb Black Lives Matter bullshit and the like. And so I pose the question to that; what have those achieved? Please, tell me how the black community is finally dealing with its internal violence, police have lost their prejudice, and we all agree that black lives matter and all and we're fine with the progressive stack and reparations they want. Go on, tell me about it. Tell me about how race relations are great right now, and how racism is FINALLY over. After all, it's 2016.
I could say you're in another country, so you actually don't get the nuance and undercurrent of it, but I barely need to. Not only have you not heard the confided thoughts and general ideas and climate felt these days outside of the media, you apparently haven't looked at the internet much lately, either. All they have accomplished is growing animosity towards blacks and minority organisations. They have achieved none of whatever their nebulous, never-stated goals are, unless they were "Try and start a race war."
The badthink wasn't about riots, though they play into and justify that shit frequently. That was about the general opinion of social justice as of late, and what that's come to represent. After the protesters attacking Trump supporters yesterday, the vast majority of the comments were "Well, as a moderate, this makes me want to vote Trump a little" and things like that.
Fuck, man, that's all I needed to say. Donald J. Trump. I live in a nation where that is a serious presidential candidate because people are sick of their shit. Don't be diminutive if you don't know what you're fucking saying.
>>30167184
>implying those aren't historical facts in the public record
>>30167181
>2bh reading /k/ makes me want to join an anti-american terror organization
Come and give it a go, nigger. We've been waiting for some serious foreign action on the mainland since 18-goddamn-12.
>>30167136
>>30167150
>>30167152
so much hate, its almost like ayn rand teaches people how to totally call you out on your bullshit and your natural reaction is fight or flight
>>30167181
Gee golly I sure hope you're taking posting as seriously as you take reading, apparently, or else you're a gigantic fucking retard, Mohammed.
>>30167200
>We've been waiting for some serious foreign action on the mainland since 18-goddamn-12.
>>30167194
>implying quotes taken out of context and misrepresented by leftist media sources represents "historical fact"
you've played the same game for to long and havent changed your tactics, we live in a world now where someone can instantly go and verify what was said when it was said and in what context.
>>30167192
>Really? Do tell me what they've all accomplished.
I can't keep tabs on every little group, but a tuition freeze remains in place in Quebec to this day, and some parts of Britain instituted their own in response to that spat of student protests in 2010-ish. So mission accomplished on that one.
Critical mass has had similar success in my city; everyone hates them, but there's a lot more bike paths now.
>b-b-b-but everyone haet them now 4 block le road in a proteste + also totally everyon in the us haets niggers ._.
not only are you wrong on this rampant nigger-hate you're insisting on, but have you considered that you don't have to be well-liked to force your way and, if anything, doing those questionable acts is HOW you force your way? Students didn't get tuition freezes by playing nice, they did it by colluding with teachers' unions and intentionally wasting provincial funding. Critical Mass doesn't work because it's a nice party and people have fun, it's to intentionally fuck up traffic to remind drivers that cyclists exist and to tell the city that bike routes are a necessity.
>>30167242
>we live in a world now where someone can instantly go and verify what was said
true
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act
Republicans in California supported increased gun control. California Governor Ronald Reagan was present when the protesters arrived and later commented that he saw “no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.” and that guns were a “ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will.” In a later press conference, Reagan added that the Mulford Act “would work no hardship on the honest citizen.” [3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban
>In November 1993, the proposed legislation passed the U.S. Senate. The bill's author, Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and other advocates said that it was a weakened version of the original proposal.[6] In May 1994, former presidents Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, and Ronald Reagan, wrote to the U.S. House of Representatives in support of banning "semi-automatic assault guns." They cited a 1993 CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll that found 77 percent of Americans supported a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of such weapons.[7]
>>30167276
You are a violent idiot who knows nothing about American race relations and you have your head lodged firmly up your ass on the subject. Keep greentexting shit to put down your opposition when you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
>>30166216
How difficult would it be for one of the nuke base states to redirect their warheads at DC and politely ask if they could secede?
>>30167287
>something that happened in 1967 as a direct result of the black panthers communist activities is relevent to how reagan conducted himself as president.
yeah, no.
https://blog.uwgb.edu/alltherage/fact-check-did-the-nra-supported-gun-control-when-the-black-panthers-advocated-that-minorities-arm-themselves/
also, reference image from the wikipedia article on the mulford ban
tl;dr eat shit commie
>>30167192
>has spent the entire thread calling anyone he doesn't like communists and inbetween raging about niggers
>posts that image
w e w
l a d
>>30167449
>posting from mobile
>doesn't even read the quotes from big boy Reagan himself in the article literally calling for gun control
W E W
L A D
>>30167220
Talking about an invasion, not an a terrorist attack.
>>30166877
No. Everything about this was wrong.
Last time someone made a run on the dollar both the Koreans and Japanese dove on the grenade to prevent any damage.
I believe the term is "the devil you know."
The US is a balwark to some nations, an enemy to others, but us predictable and reasonable. As long as you pretend to play nice and throw the US a political bone sometimes, you get to reap the benefits of being our "friend."
The Euro is a shit, and continued instability in the Eurozone only makes it moreso. *Some* OPEC countries want to make the switch because they think they can jerk over the US of they do, and get more favorable trade deals.
The closest to being as stable as the US dollar is the Japanese Yen, and the Japs don't want a strong currency because they rely on tech export to the United States for economic stability, hence the reason they took the bullet and bought up all the T-Bills China dumped.
>>30167461
Now I hate pinko commie faggots as much as the next red-blooded real American male, but you have the wrong man, m8.
I'm not raging about niggers, I'm saying Black Lives Matter has accomplished the opposite of what they want.
Also, at first I was going to agree about the second guy, but while I generally recognize Reagan as vaguely anti-gun, you can't say un-cited quotes in the article were literally from Reagan himself.
>"I'm a gigantic niggerfaggot who nobody loves and I meme on 4chan to feel important and validated! I like pee pee!"
t. you
It says it right there, you said it. And it's even believable, on your level of discourse! Must be true.
>>30166216
>civil war
*War of Northern Aggression
>>30167465
There's kinda a whole ocean in the way of that, and all the countries next to you are allied with you
but there are all those beaner hicks running drugs over the border, if that counts. isn't that movie "sicario" a big may may here?
>>30167461
>raging about niggers
when did that happen, or have you just decided to resort to making shit up?
>posting from mobile
some of us have things that need to get done on a saturday and cant just sit around smoking ganja at the drum circle
>>30167578
>but there are all those beaner hicks running drugs over the border, if that counts.
Yeah, but shooting at them is a "crime" thanks to Obummer.
>>30167584
sorry, I thought you were accusing me of "raging about niggers" too.
disregard.
but you're still a commie shitbag
>>30167526
>Black Lives Matter
no one but you is talking about them. what's with this obsession of yours?
and if all of America hates Black Lives Matter, where's the counter-culture for it and why aren't they doing anything?
When is the race war coming?
>>30167589
Why haven't you deposed Obummer then?
>>30167220
>two of our buildings get blown up
>we travel half way around the world to topple 2 countries and kill well over a million people
Yeah, fucking try.
>>30166852
With who? where is the civil war?
>>30167633
>we travel half way around the world to topple 2 countries
which are in the exact same state you found them
>and kill well over a million people
most of which were civilians
>>30167629
Nobody else is because I brought them up as an example to contrast American mass-protest movements to those of Europe in a conversation with one other person talking about those movements, you ninny.
Criticism isn't racist. There's quite a lot of pushback on their stuff, trust me. It's just not kosher for TV that isn't Fox News.
>Race war when
GTKRWN 14/88 SS or something
why do I take the bait
>>30167674
>implying I actually give a shit
We started the wars as retribution, there was no real "justice" to be had, the objective was to kill a lot of people as vengeance for 9/11, and we did.
Mission accomplished, if you fuck with us, we'll kill ~2,000,000 of your fucking people.
Think about that, the best hope for these poor bastards is that we decide it's too expensive to keep curbstomping your poor ass and just go home.
>>30167713
>Criticism isn't racist.
it is when you keep bringing up a racially charged subject for literally no reason
shit man, it only supports my notion that americans don't do shit for protests; when has Black Lives Matter done anything of note other than cry on twitter? WorldStarHipHop is probably a more forceful tool of revolution than fucking Black Lives Matter
>>30167729
>We started the wars as retribution,
except that's literally wrong, it was to protect oil and poppy interests
>>30167737
....what? I am bringing up the single largest, organized, national protest movement under one banner in America since Occupy, which has been going for years, as a contrast to European groups. I haven't said "those damn niggers" or anything racially charged, the racial charge of the fucking subject has nothing to do what I am saying other than the fact that their approach to the issue has done them no favors.
You're being the thick-skulled idiot here, and here's that infuriating "OH AMERICANS HAHA SO SHALLOW AND DUMB" attitude of condescension again. Fuck off.
>When has Black Lives Matter done anything of note
So was Ferguson just a big story for us? Never hit the BBC or whatever? None of the huge uptick in protest movements across campuses and cities? None of the official, organized blocking of airports on Christmas, Mall of America, how they shout "Black Lives Matter!" at every protest? Missou? None of that? Never heard of it?
>Americans don't do shit for protests
Well I'm glad we inadvertently agree because my whole fucking point is that they're fucking ineffectual idiots and the only huge example of a protest movement around here. We only riot when a cop shoots a black guy, not every time our feelings get hurt or someone tries to make us actually pay off debt.
>>30167772
We can argue about this, but the casus belli of the war was 9/11. Again, you're heavily
>implying
I care. We killed a lot of people, some of them even bad guys! Some of them not so bad guys, and very few good guys. We roflstomped them into oblivion. There is an entire generation that is missing a significant portion of their Military Age Males just because a couple buildings got blown up. Think about that, the sheer power my country wields. Not only that, but you can piss and moan and call me a monster, but there isn't a goddamn thing you can do about it, and if some chucklefucks from a different hellhole get us riled up enough, we'll do it again.
>>30167805
Feels pretty great don't it?
>>30167805
ok that was a nice heartfelt post and all but it doesn't change that you're fundamentally incorrect
>>30167796
>I am bringing up the single largest, organized, national protest movement under one banner in America since Occupy,
okay. what have they actually accomplished other than crying a bunch?
why are other countries people so much better at getting their way through organized protest, violent or nonviolent?
>>30167865
>why are other countries people so much better at getting their way through organized protest, violent or nonviolent?
cucks in power
>>30167772
That is also wrong considering that all the oil fields relevant to the US in the ME are in Saudi Arabia: i.e. outside of the zone of conflict.
The real reason Sadam got stomped was a critical research failure on Bush's part.
>>30167865
Because we actually vote instead of throwing about tantrums, because democratic systems within a republic are superior to mob rule.
Because our cops aren't pussies who are told to leave out a cop car for the poor, oppressed students to burn and to stand down if they attack the police physically. We actually launch tear gas and crack skulls. After that step, the rest of the organized, employed, voting people of the nation ignore the petulant children, and continue our lives just a little bit angrier at hippies.
>>30167908
>Because we actually vote
oh boy you can choose between hillary or trump now, that's great
>>30167837
Dude, it gives me a massive freedom stiffy if I dwell on it too long.
>>30167856
About what? Dude I don't give a fuck about politics. We killed a lot of people and lost very few comparatively. Good job! Mission accomplished! I'm actually that shallow about these conflicts, there's absolutely nothing you have on me.
>>30167926
seriously why are yuros allowed to post here. go bin a knife
>>30167908
>Because our cops aren't pussies who are told to leave out a cop car for the poor, oppressed students to burn
pretty much every time that happens, it gets leaked the next week or so that it was a police false-flag operation 2bh
>and to stand down if they attack the police physically
this doesn't happen. in fact, my dad knows a guy who straight up got a 40mm flashbang launched directly into his head and lost his eye during a student protest
>We actually launch tear gas and crack skulls.
so do we. in fact, there's an amazing local legend of a time some students were protesting, the cops deployed tear gas, but someone broke a window at the university and because of its ventilation, the entire school got gassed for no reason
they don't deploy tear gas as much anymore because of shit like that, but they still use it. they tend more towards flashbangs though
>and continue our lives just a little bit angrier at hippies.
>le every1 haets dem
yeah except they always win, apparently. trannies are in your bathroom m8 :^)
>>30167949
>my dad knows a guy who straight up got a 40mm flashbang launched directly into his head and lost his eye during a student protest
good
>the entire school got gassed for no reason
hey dumb fuck the reason is beacuse retards broke a window
>>30166487
>race riots over Obama being elected
We aren't niggers. No one cares that he's black so why would we take time off of work to go riot about it?
>>30166216
Christ, why is it every time this thread pops up some Yuropoor waddles in and starts trying to tell us how shameful we are for not chimping out and shooting cops?
Can we just block them off to their containment board already
>>30166615
tbf those idiots picked a TERRIBLE hill to die on
nobody wants to saddle up when it looks like the people to be supported are potentially criminal screwballs
hell that bundy ranch got as many as it did was unbelievable when bundy was in no way clearly in the right
>>30168074
Really? This happens often?
Fuck, that explains a bit. Probably the same guy every time. We really do need to range-ban the Yuros, or at least tag them so we can see their bullshit a mile away. I need my echochamber, dammit.
>>30168135
>echochamber
I prefer the term "functioning board that discusses topics related to it's purpose" personally
>>30168164
Oh, I do, I just default to self-deprecation when the proper response to some bullshit is "Oh, fuck me, you're kidding."
Speaking of which, I'm surprised this thread hasn't been deleted for politics yet, we seem to be making strides in that area lately, thankfully.
>>30166904
Unfortunately I think this anon is right.
I grew up with liberal, working-class parents from large Scotch-Irish American families. Even the members of my family who are financially well-off identify as liberal.
80% of them just want to protect the unions they watched their fathers and grandfathers build, but 20% of them are radical, word-policing assholes.
I was born in 1990, and I feel like I got to see the major change in spirit and direction for the liberal sect of American society. The shift really started when Bush was elected in 2000, the liberals were all very angry but mostly resigned to hoping it would be a 4-year farce after the peaceful and profitable 90s that left us all with the false sense of security that we were accelerating towards a more utopian and egalitarian world.
I grew up with teachers telling me (and it was a lie) that "we were one of the first American generations that would see world peace"
What a fucking laugh.
In high-school being conservative was a death-sentence for your social life, everyone was pissed about the situation in Iraq and we were all angry that our utopian future had turned into a shit-show with TSA, DHS, incidents like Abu Ghraib. Then we all turned 18 and graduated just in time to vote for Obongo who was going to bring us back to peace and prosperity and unite us all racially and blahblahblah.
Well, 2016 now, none of that ever happened. We're more divided than ever, the middle east is in shambles, economies are crashing all over the place, and the very ideas which build western civilization, a lot of them liberal ideas, as in the liberation of the individual, are under fire from all directions. Blacks and Hispanics hate each-other but are united in envy and false-outrage at white people in general, mass-shootings are so common that it would be shocking if we went a year without one, and no one wants to explore why that is or try to fix it. Everyone just wants to tear everything apart.
>>30166777
>8 years in prison
>>30167310
>How difficult would it be for one of the nuke base states to redirect their warheads at DC and politely ask if they could secede?
Impossible.
>>30168304
>in high-school being conservative was a death-sentence
It's ok to identify as a Conservative these days. That's paranoid talk
>>30168369
Of all the fucking places for Oppeheimer to pop up.
Good tidings, great man.
>>30168379
Young creative type reporting, speak for yourself.
>>30167310
What is PAL for $100, Alex
>>30167629
>and if all of America hates Black Lives Matter, where's the counter-culture for it and why aren't they doing anything?
Jap here. I and lots of people are working on "rehabilitating" racism, one conversation at a time. I also stepped into a sheboon's face when she took a swing at my flip neighbor.
What have YOU done?
>>30168369
Can you expand on that for the curious? Is it a lack of Presidential codes?
>>30168596
Several reasons.
1) they lack the ability to fire the missiles without authorization.
2) The Missiles themselves have limited targeting options.
3) The RVs have sensors that prevent the warhead from fully arming until all the criteria for a launch and flight to the selected target have been met.
The RV knows how many Gs it should have felt and for how long and the duration of exo-atmospheric flight to hit its target, and it wont arm the warhead until that has been met.
>>30168667
Thanks for explaining!
How limited are those targeting options? What kinds of limitations are imposed? Could Europe be targeted, or Africa, for instance?
>>30168686
>How limited are those targeting options? What kinds of limitations are imposed? Could Europe be targeted, or Africa, for instance?
I can not say how many targets are preselected, but it is unlikely that you would be able to select targets there was not an existing attack option for.
>>30168667
Would it be impossible for this hypothetical seceding nuke state to alter the missiles in order to circumvent these security measures?
>>30168744
>Would it be impossible for this hypothetical seceding nuke state to alter the missiles in order to circumvent these security measures?
Yes.
You would need to send the RV back to Pantex, have it disassembled, and have a new warhead constructed without those ESD and other safety features.
Weeks to months if its is a rush job.
>>30168744
>>30168756
Even then you have the issue of not having a target option.
So you would need people to come in and decompile the control software that spins up the nav system in the missile, and write new stuff for the new targets, and even then, it probably wouldn't work.
>>30168744
Easier would be to just bullshit that they'd done so and let the media get everyone spun up and screaming about the end even while the national govt tries to explain that it won't work.
>>30168828
Yeah but while that may scare civilians, it will only give the government (that knows that it's bullshit) more ammo in the fight against successionists.
>>30168849
>successionists.
>he doesn't even know his own language
Nigger detected
>>30168857
>Secession (derived from the Latin term secessio) is the withdrawal of a group from a larger entity, especially a political entity (a country), but also any organization, union or military alliance. Threats of secession can also be a strategy for achieving more limited goals.
>Successionist: one who secedes
Whut.
>>30167006
This guy gets it
>>30168906
>>Successionist: one who secedes
Try again, honorary blackman
>>30168906
The word you're looking for is secessionist.
Still, >>30168972 is being an asshole.
>>30166357
Don't be a fucking retard. The reason the chances are low is because people actively try to prevent it from happening. Telling people to dismiss it as a threat is the first step to it actually happening.
>>30166403
You're a rarity, about as common as a conservative redneck that favors gun control. Trust me, if it came down to extreme left vs. extreme right, the left would get buttfucked hard. The number of well armed leftist groups is minuscule in comparison. The vast majority of combat veterans and civilian gun enthusiasts are on the right or at least right leaning centrists.
>>30168379
I didn't say it was dangerous or anything. You can't pretend like liberalism hasn't become trendy. Look at all the fucking smug hipsters that have made it literally impossible to enjoy the night-life in many major cities across the country.
I can't remember the last time I went to a decent bar that wasn't staffed almost completely by smug assholes with ironic t-shirts and those stupid fucking mustaches or that stupid trendy hair-cut from the 1900s.
ITs almost gotten to the point where I want to go clean-shaven just so no one thinks I'm one of them. I wanted a beard since I sprouted my first pube and I hate that it has become a symbol of post-ironic apathy or militant liberalism.
So many "tough guy" faces on people who would piss their pants if someone pulled a gun on them.
>>30166771
All the hipsters want to be be commies until its time to do commie stuff.
Former KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov: Useful idiots like you are the first up against the wall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLqHv0xgOlc
>>30166487
You haven't been following the arc of our society very closely. It's coming. The courts still work, more or less.
Pay closer attention to things like OWS and the Tea Party. Both of those started as a legit Third Party movement, one left and one right. Their respective wings of the Establishment wasted no time infiltrating and discrediting both movements. I suspect history will show that that was a mistake.
Both movements, as well as stuff like Bundy Ranch and the Oregon standoff, are a symptom of something that's been festering in the national psyche since the late 60s. Everybody knows that there's something wrong with the country, they're just not sure what, or how to fix it.
if things keep going in the direction they've been going, we're due to hit a breaking point within 25 years or so. It could be a lot sooner, it depends on domestic and global events.
I suspect what's going to happen is our pissing match with China is going to go hot. A couple of nukes will be thrown around. That's going to trigger the new American Revolution. I haven't a clue how it's going to settle out.
>>30166664
>Hard to unify a people who have literally nothing in common under a common banner.
Fly a couple of airplanes into a couple of buildings, you'll get instant unity. It won't last very long, but it'll be there.
And then, a decade later, we'll get our symbolic revenge. Thing is, we're a fuckhuge country. If we all agree on something, even briefly, that's a lot of momentum that needs to be pointed in a safe direction.
>>30168379
Not in mostly liberal areas. On the northeast coast/New England, 80% of the kids younger than 30 will call you a nazi. Not even kidding
>>30168379
I'm British, and I'm at university in Sheffield. Even as left as unis are, this is quite far.
One of my friends (who is Sikh) was pushed and shoved by people for being a Tory. He was then called a "race traitor" for not being left-wing, because apparently brown people owe leftists something by design. He was then told he'd be the first one up against the wall.
This was coming from a member of the Socialist Worker's Party who had put out cigarettes on a girl's skin and other disgusting activities. The SWP guy ran away from the Sikh dude when another guy backed the him up. Standard cowardly leftist, really.
Some of the other friends have been punched in the face for saying they are Conservative.
I was fairly ambivalent about student leftists before I came to uni. Given what I have seen in protests about Trump, as well as what I've seen in the UK, I'm now convinced these fuckers are nothing but trouble.
>>30166692
>we
>>30171649
>Leftists
>Thinking the Sikhs would support them in any way shape or form
You know, for a bunch of people who pride themselves in tolerance, it seems they're very poor at actually getting to know minorities.
>>30171649
>One of my friends (who is Sikh) was pushed and shoved by people for being a Tory. He was then called a "race traitor" for not being left-wing,
But leftists import Muslims, does the person who accused him of being a race traitor not know the know the think Sikhs hate most? Hell the whole reason for multiple portions of their religion are "Muslims do this, fuck Muslims, make sure you don't do that".
>>30171475
>On the northeast coast/New England, 80% of the kids younger than 30 will call you a nazi. Not even kidding
You people really need to start distinguishing between North New England (Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont) and the degenerate south (Mass, Conn, RI). They have completely different political leanings.
t. Under 30 North New Englander
>>30172498
don't forget New York, New Jersey, and Maryland. And ostensibly Virginia, but that counts more as the south. Shame how it's going.
>>30168425
Do japs hate white people? just asking
>>30172737
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FYuYkPgDkk
Wow. War is harsh? Who would've guess!
>>30166560
Millions of dead liberal........ I need to flap now
>>30166216
>>ISIS rapes their way across the OPEC nations
oh god i'm so hard right now
It sure is Summer in here.
>>30166216
when do i start?
>>30170727
>they're just not sure what, or how to fix it.
why not listen to the YUROKEKS and FUCKINGLEAFS when they describe how their countries work well for them and what america seems to be missing instead of parroting tired memes like insisting that america is "too big for [thing] to work" and "the only thing that can stop bad guys is good guys with guns" and shit
like, yeah, your country is overrun with illegal mexicans and ghetto nigger thugs, but that's because your country has next to no security on social services being accessed by illegals. compare that to Canada where you need a social insurance number to get a job and have to present two pieces of ID just to set up a bank account or sign a lease or do basically any sort of business. or, like, the prison system, instead of insisting on retribution, why not push for policies to reduce recidivism rates instead of just parroting "its not a [thing] problem its a nigger problem" all the time
same goes for the left, instead of just bitching "hrurr durr eat the rich, muh 1%", why not push for expansion of social services and more than a trickle down of funding from the fed into municipal level concerns like schools and local clinics and such
>>30170727
>if things keep going in the direction they've been going, we're due to hit a breaking point within 25 years or so.
youve been saying this for 50 years
>>30175275
>looks at the date
Well fuck. That really snuck up on me.
see OP, you seem to think any of that is bad, which is wrong.
learn to stop caring and love the bomb.
>>30166845
the problem with the pic you posted is it will just piss of the civilian population all the military bases will have generators and fucking shit against emp's and all sorts of shit
so when you fuck up the city they will just declare martial law and then over loud speakers say that the rebels fucked up the city and everyone in the city will be pissed off at you and thankful to the army for bringing in much needed supplies
unless you just want to create anarchy for no particular reason
the real pic you need to post is how to take out the military bases but that gets you on an alphabet agencie watch list not the one that you get on for visiting 4chan
>>30175620
guess who has to then take care of them? the military. the military which also does not have enough manpower to do so.
>>30175634
yes but the general public will see the military as the saviors rather than the enemy even if they are doing a shitty job at it
you need to make the military and the government the enemy of the people but do it before martial law is declared
in most revolutions only 5-10% of the populace fight its all propaganda
if you can take out radio and tv then people will only have interwebs to get there news and thats when you can capitalise
send your message to the people or at least have a fighting chance to get your message across
just sayin
my biggest fear is that if a civil war happened that afterwards assuming the current government won freedoms would go down the toilet
>gotta make sure another revolution doesn't happen
>more government spying
>no guns for civilians
>constitution gets raped moreso than it currently is
>>30175678
no you as in (you) needs to get in control and make sure that you have a robust goverment that can handle major changes without the need for revolution whilst maintaining the civil rights and the ammendment
that way you wont get to the point of revolution over shit like immigration, gun rights etc...
see switzerland where if they have a referendum then of 50k voters on a particular issue their political representatives have to make a decision on it
and guess what everyone is nice and wealthy in switzerland and they all have guns oh and they don't have an immigration problem despite being a land locked country and they aren't part of the eu either
US is done anyways ,its the age of mexicans and blacks ...
>>30166573
Everything on down to supermarkets are legitimate targets.
>>30166610
Because we have guns and a schismatic volunteer military. Buyups have already struck twice, the people are just being discerning about when the flag is well and truly dropped, we all know what it means when the republic dies.
>>30166579
This.
It's happening in France right now. They're a minority, and a pain in the ass. They're even throwing IED's at riot police, while the police gets accused of everything. Syndicates are lauching strikes after strikes and destroying the economy. Nuclear power stations have reduced their production to 50% of their capabilities.And we got floods to go with it. Biblical times.
The gov (liberal left, aka degenerates, billionnaires, slavers and their slaves) is trying to destroy our labor laws, which is bad, and is using the hardcore leftists violence to belittle genuine opposition to this project.
Litterally red fascists and pink fascists objectively allied to bring a country down while pretending being opposed while they're allied on the rest of the political spectrum.
Meanwhile, the far right gains votes, and I'm lovin' it. They don't talk much which would draw attention on them.
>>30166840
The worst bit is it had a sliver of merit before getting mauled on the floor.
>>30175976
>le every1 haets leftiss :^)
even in the us this isn't true
hillary gonna win and its gonna be a bad day
>>30167094
Personally thought about the revolt issue desu, the endgame is even less attractive than the current oppression of the people
>>30172430
They've been racist twats since before the mason-dixon line was drawn, dixiecrats never change, no matter how much noblesse oblige and manifest destiny they powder over their shit
>>30175620
Links.
>>30176069
did his post have links it just had hurr durr im a former red team planner blah blah
i just posted logic it doesn't require links you just need to think about it
cut off power, water, food, logistics to a city and think the populace will be super glad you did it?
what are you retarded
you need ot fight smarter than that you do that shit to your enemy aka their base of operations police stations, military bases, feds buildings, chairforce etc...
this is getting me on another watch list though and i suspect you just want to pick my brain because your alphabet cunt oh well i don't care
day of the rope fagget
>>30166513
In that case then our "Revolutionaries" should team with BLM and Black Panthers, and also train both. The Feds know that the redneck outdoors are possibly death traps for them, and know that unorganized urban centers are easy to fuck with. But now that there's an actively armed populous in your most policed/ "Abused" areas? That'd be enough to start a revolution easily, and get some nigs more right wing. Don't go after the Mexicans though, they actually have a movement that's undermining everyone by trying to succeed US states to Mexico.
>>30176129
aleph org, actually; meant to ask if you did have links on effectively targeting a rogue military base that managed to retain funding by a rogue state
>>30166403
You're probably the only exception.
Sorry pinko, civil war would mean extinction for your kind.
>United States civil war.
>One side is Bernie Sanders militant vegans.
>The other side is Donald Trump militant tea party.
I think it would be amusing for awhile until it became Africa.
>>30166547
Black Panthers
>essentially defunct
Weather Underground
>defunct
Marxists
>now largely limited to blue-haired gender-benders, and chubby guys with beards and jean vests covered in badges
SHARPS
>?
Mexicans
>A localized threat
>>30176823
It's funny how many gun loving Trump Mexican American I know.
My best friends sisters bf is so pissed about the amnesty Hillary wants.
>>30176859
yeah well my wife's boyfriend is so pissed about the wall Trump wants
>people actually think that a civil war in the U.S. would be a right wing lolbertarian fight for "freedom"
>don't even realize who's actually fucking them
Do you guys know who the biggest threat to American freedom is?
Hint: It isn't the government.
