Why didn't he eject?
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Why didn't he eject?
>>30157861
Because he said he was going to make stay and make sure it didnt crash into surrounding neighborhoods
>>30157861
He couldn't. He was flying american trash. Poor guy.
>>30157933
This.
The F-18 is trash and by now, so old it will fall apart by just looking at it wrong. An ancient relic from the Cold War era.
>>30157861
Why didn't your dad pull out?
>>30158040
Because your mom enjoyed it too much.
>>30157872
fuck...
>>30157861
Who cares? Blue angels don't even make the top 5 display teams imho. Fly-by-wire junk.
>>30158588
Name 5 that are better
>>30158040
>>30158479
Haha you two faggots are brothers
>>30157872
No I'm pretty sure that was actually said/done by the Thunderbird pilot who crashed the same day (but lived).
>>30158602
red arrows, whatever the Jordanians are called, whatever the Italians are called, the French the Turks. you can fight over order but it changes season to season.
I have seen most display teams, and the blue angels are dull, they may fly close together but its FBW and they take several minutes to set up each pass.
>>30158614
And looks like we have a little sissy sister right here.
>>30157861
They expect one of us in the wreckage, brother.
>>30158722
Was getting witnesses part of your an hero plan?
>>30158742
It would be extremely grateful
Might've blacked out. Might've been out of parameters. Might've just not had time to react. Hard to say until we get actual testimony from the other pilots, the witness testimonies from the ground at this point all suck and don't really tell us anything informative.
>>30157933
>american trash. Poor guy.
poor country
pic related
>>30158633
>>30159720
>im and idiot who has never seen any of those display teams so I will post a reaction image because surely the US is unbeatable with with shitty FBW display planes.
>>30158028
>An ancient relic from the Cold War era
You mean like slavs?
>>30158602
https://youtu.be/mrlamH2OX2A?t=415
ITT
It's cool to shit on Americans again
>>30159720
Seconded
>>30159924
>and you've never seen any of them.
>>30160053
>waah we're not the best so we are being bullied
He died like Chopper(AC5)
>>30160078
I've been to RIAT for the last 6 years, i'd like to wager i know a lot more than you.
How many have you seen ? what do you think of last seasons teams? what are you most excited to see this season?
or do you not know the answer to those questions?
>>30159708
Yeah, Ukraine is quite a shithole, almost as much as the US. Almost.
>>30158618
The thunderbird pilot was south of colorado springs and had plenty of room to crash land. The blue angel did not.
Source: I was 300 yards from the thunderbird crash.
>>30160097
>Ukraine
No such thing.
>>30159924
>I'm an idiot who thinks the Blue Angels have never flown any other aircraft type without FBW
>>30160116
And they weren't good then.
And even if they were, do you think retired pilots and aircraft make a display team good today?
The moment a display team goes for fly-by-wire aircraft they lose 80% of the excitement, you may as well show me how close you can fly to another plane in a video game.
Combined with the stupidly long set up times for manurers and the lack of any individual show-piece , blue angels are the team i'd go and have a piss during.
>>30160094
>i'd like to wager i know a lot more than you.
And you can guarantee that they AREN'T FBW?
>>30160165
You think F18 has some mystical super secret variant with control wires ?
>>30160042
Listen up you nigger.
1: I aint some fucking slav or a slavworshipper you faggot, they have even more derelict shit then 'Murrica has.
2: Dont deny that the F-18 is Cold War era trash.
>>30160094
>RIAT
>revealing yourself to be a Bong
I've been to more air shows that I could ever possibly count. Been going since yer mum was in high school (or whatever they call it on that damp little island of yours). The Blue Angles have been the only ones who have constantly impressed me.
>>30160139
>>30159924
>>30158633
>>30158588
why exactly do you dislike FBW?
>>30160165
the Hawk, alpha jet, F5, Walter Extra and MB339 are not FBW aircraft. And to try and suggest that they secretly are shows you're pretty desperate.
The most telling thing of all is that you've not shown a single manoeuvre that makes the blue angels a competitor in your mind.
>>30160242
>thinking the F18 is bad
Poor bait.
He was over a populated area, he had to set it down so it wouldn't hit civilians.
The F16 driver who ejected did so over a field at the end of the runway.
my dad can beat up your dad
summer's here.
>europeans still arent banned from /k/
>>30160272
Good, old fashioned eurotrash contrarianism.
>>30160332
HONK
>>30160259
You realise RIAT is by a LONG way the biggest military airshow? It's quite a privilege to be invited. If you've only been to shows in the US then you probably only get to see US display teams. Look at the pitiful number of foreign events the US teams are invited to.
>>30160272
A display team is meant to show off three things. Firstly is the ability of pilots, something FBW covers completely by using a computer to adjust for what would usually take a skilled pilot. Second is teamwork, and coordination, not effected so much by FBW however blue angels fail in this regard with their long set up times. Finally is the performance of the aircraft, FBW limits the thresholds of the aircraft to make any kind of stall manurer either impossible or strictly controlled by the computer rather than the pilot.
I linked it already but watch from 6:55 of this video https://youtu.be/mrlamH2OX2A?t=415
>>30160332
>Good, old fashioned eurotrash contrarianism.
Asides from all the points i've made that have yet to be challenged.
>>30160361
US flight teams are better, sorry.
>>30160401
>they are better because I say so despite my complete lack of evidence.
You're getting desperate.
>>30160139
>And they weren't good then.
You're a stubborn one, aren't you?
>And even if they were, do you think retired pilots and aircraft make a display team good today?
Yes, in fact some of the best demonstration teams today are private teams made up of civil pilots and retired military.
>The moment a display team goes for fly-by-wire aircraft they lose 80% of the excitement, you may as well show me how close you can fly to another plane in a video game.
You're so full of shit. Their flying style has not changed between the different aircraft types, aside from the addition of a few high-AoA maneuvers.
>Combined with the stupidly long set up times for manurers and the lack of any individual show-piece , blue angels are the team i'd go and have a piss during.
The Blue Angels have different routines. I've seen boring ones like what you're talking about and I've seen exciting ones that are constant and in-your-face. Not sure why it's such a mixed bag but it probably depends on the airshow rules set out for them, which is dependent on venue.
>>30160361
you have a misunderstanding of what FBW is.
>>30160417
>evidence
Watch them.
>>30160421
probably weather. the low altitude/low cloud deck show is probably less exciting, but flying into clouds in formation while doing aerobatics is understandably unsafe.
I'd argue most people to go air shows to see something go wrong.
>>30160274
>Walter Extra [is] not FBW aircraft
He's not? Gee, I had no idea.
>maneuvers
If you want outrageous maneuvers, solo unlimited routines blow any team routine out of the water. Team aerobatic demonstrations are about something else altogether.
>>30160361
>>30160094
>>30159924
this retard comparing 1500lb prop planes that can maybe cruise at 200mph to 32000lb twin engine jets going 500mph with no g suit.
fuck off eurotrash
>>30160421
>You're a stubborn one, aren't you?
Blue angels have never been considered an air show highlight outside of North America, they are not much more than a recruitment tool.
>Yes, in fact some of the best demonstration teams today are private teams made up of civil pilots and retired military.
I'm referring to retired from flying all together rather than veteran pilots and histoical airframes. A team can't live of past glory.
>You're so full of shit. Their flying style has not changed between the different aircraft types, aside from the addition of a few high-AoA maneuvers.
I can't readily comment on how their flying style has changed, but when you see pilots that are working hard to maintain a position VS holding a reference point then how can you possibly think that the team with the artificially reduced workload are somehow better pilots?
>The Blue Angels have different routines. I've seen boring ones like what you're talking about and I've seen exciting ones that are constant and in-your-face. Not sure why it's such a mixed bag but it probably depends on the airshow rules set out for them, which is dependent on venue.
It certainly does depend on the venue, but the ability to flow from one movement to another is a huge part of a good team, It's linked already but look at the flow of the Jordanians. The red arrows sometimes have long set up times but they do it within sight and they have an unrivalled ability to meet at a point in space after complex individual actions.
>>30160422
>you have a misunderstanding of what FBW is.
I would love to hear what you think it means. I would also like to know how much flying experience you have.
>>30160436
>Watch them.
I have seen them in the flesh twice plus various videos.
>>30160468
For the price and safety record of most of them, there are better ways to spend your money.
>>30160634
Yes they have been considered outside of the US.
No they don't go.
They fly Jets, not props, you can't compare the two.
Go to bed child.
>>30160525
>your good manoeuvres don't count because our aircraft can't do them.
I guess they should of chosen better aircraft.
>fuck off eurotrash
Did I make you upset? Can you not handle the idea that fly by wire aircraft are easier to fly?
>>30160634
i've got about 60-70 hours flying fighters at this point with another 20 hours in the T-38.
fly by wire means that moving the control stick moves the control surfaces indirectly through force sensors telling a computer what you want the aircraft to do rather than directly via hydraulics like a T-38 or bellcranks and pulleys like a T-6. what you get out of it is wholly dependant on the control laws. for example, in a F-22 the yaw pedals produce a yawing movement and the plane will deflect whatever control surfaces necessary to make that happen. in a semi-FBW F-15, the rudder pedals move the rudders. in another example, the F-15SA is fully FBW. most of its rolling movement is its stabs deflecting vs the ailerons.
>>30160696
and you know that based on your flying experience with both FBW and non-FBW aircraft, right?
>>30160655
>Yes they have been considered outside of the US.
Where/when have they been top of the bill in a major European airshow? (i'll wait)
>>30160655
>They fly Jets, not props, you can't compare the two.
One of the five teams i mentioned flies a prop aircraft, and props certainly take more skill. Look at the Italians if you want to compare jet to jet,they hold more records than any other team.
>Go to bed child.
Oh wow, you called me child, good argument bro. sure told me. I guess you've just asserted your dominance and invalidated all my arguments with that trap card of yours.
>>30160752
Go to bed
>>30160696
what making an ultralight monoplane stall and recover is impressive now? going 500mph 3 feet under a jet, with all the wash from the engines and wing tips, accounts for nothing to you, because theirs technology involved?
can you not handle that jet formations are more hazardous than ones with literal stunt planes?
can you not handle that our military aircraft can do more impressive aerobatics than a purpose made trick plane?
once again, fuck off eurotrash.
Rest in Peace, Capt. Jeff Kuss
Lots of shit throwing and kids who don't know the first thing about aviation. See you when fall rolls around, /k/.
>>30158722
They boy really looks like a small guy CIA.
>>30160741
>i've got about 60-70 hours flying fighters at this point with another 20 hours in the T-38.
I'd love to hear what 'fighter' you are certified on especially if you are claiming 20 hours in a T-38 with no mention of other aircraft.
I smell shite.
I also like how you leave out the aircraft's compensation for third party forces. (as if your description as it was isn't enough to diminish a pilots responsibility)
>>30160741
>and you know that based on your flying experience with both FBW and non-FBW aircraft, right?
I have never flown FBW and never intend to, but it certainly doesn't hinder my ability to understand its role.
>>30160771
Just admit defeat and admit you were wrong and that he was right.
Unless you can actualy counter his arguements.
>>30157861
This thread has just confirmed my suspicion that /k/ has been flooded with anti-american cucks. I guess I've always kind of known, just never wanted to admit it.
I remember when /k/ had cool foreigners instead of the whiny batch of millennials that start seizing up the second anything remotely American is mentioned.
>>30160846
>I have never flown FBW
This means "I have never flown." You do IT or you drive a forklift on some British air base, and you attend the big airshow every year, and you think this makes you an expert.
Christ a'mighty yer a cunt, fuck off
>>30160864
we had a cool FFL guy
a shithead from South Africa
A slav who went to Syria and died in a motorcycle wreck
a french tank commander
that's all the foreigners i can remember that were entertaining.
>>30160823
>going 500mph 3 feet under a jet, with all the wash from the engines and wing tips
That wash that the computer accounts for? I (and most others) would rather wtahc the red arrows do it with no flight aids.
>can you not handle that our military aircraft can do more impressive aerobatics than a purpose made trick plane?
But they cant. And all of those aircraft are trainer aircraft, this isn't red bull air race. If you really want individual performance then Typhoon, Fulcrum and flanker leave any US aircraft in the dust at airshows (and i've seen them all)
>once again, fuck off eurotrash.
You're getting told again and again and you're getting more and more upset. You're a joke.
>>30160882
>This means "I have never flown."
334 hours in a DA40 during training then 806 hours in a joint owned DA42. Certified for day and night flight across Europe.
Try and come up with something better than ad hominem though.
>>30160846
F-15E
trim is still essential even with a FBW aircraft. the F-15 programs in other control surfaces depending on AOA and where the stick is to enhance what you're telling the aircraft to do, but it's flyable without any of the FBW enhancing flight performance.
>>30160894
the jet doesn't necessarily compensate for the jet wash. once again, it depends on the control laws of the aircraft and how they're set up. you could conceivably have a FBW aircraft set up exactly like it would be if it was all bellcranks and pulleys. the F-15 is set up to give you a constant amount of G's per amount of stick travel. 2 G's per inch IIRC.
and i'd take the F-22 against any jet out there today.
>>30160940
>334 hours in a DA40 during training then 806 hours in a joint owned DA42.
So over a thousand hours in - light aircraft. Not acrobatic aircraft, either. I'm sure you've flown in tight formation before, right? And you've done acrobatics. And I don't mean "I did spin recovery practice," oh, no, you did acrobatics! Hooo-eeee, someone fucking hold me, we have us a fucking expert here.
>>30160894
>If you really want individual performance then Typhoon, Fulcrum and flanker leave any US aircraft in the dust at airshows (and i've seen them all)
>airshows
Usually delusional eurotrash wanking is amusing, but you might want to ease off the throttle there bucko. Railing at America isn't gonna change whatever your real problem is. Just cuz your daddy diddled you as a kid doesn't mean you can draw his face onto The International Dad Figure and use it as a punching bag. It's not gonna help ya.
>>30160046
>>30158633
>Doing stunts for airshows in planes designed to do stunts for airshows.
So amazing, so impressed.
>>30160946
>F-15E
The flight system is from the 70's and uses a very rudimentary FBW system - hence needing to imput trim, you can even turn the FBW off. However asides from posting the exeption to the rule, this is not a display aircraft so i dont see your point.
>the jet doesn't necessarily compensate for the jet wash. once again, it depends on the control laws of the aircraft and how they're set up.
F16 and F18 in all in service variants will compensate for external forces.
>and i'd take the F-22 against any jet out there today.
So would I if it was combat. but we're talking about airshows.
>>30160894
oh man FBW must seem like fucking magic to you. Those are in no way base level aircraft they are flying.
you really have no idea whats going on other than your opinion.
>> Eurotrash
>>30160332
>>30160349
Kill the fucking clowns.
>>30161032
the degree of compensation you're expecting is ridiculous. flying a F-16 or F/A-18 (which is from the 70's as well) doesn't mean you somehow turn the flying experience into Ace Combat.
there are Raptor and Eagle demonstration teams out there. they're not the pilot's main duty flight-wise, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. go ahead and look up Raptor airshows and be amazed at the crazy post-stall and high AOA stuff they can do.
and fair point from >>30160983 - if you watch cockpit videos of the Blues or Thunderbirds, they are constantly correcting. close formation is eye-watering the first time you do it.
never flown a DA40. my first flight was in a DA20, though. good little plane.
>>30160983
These things are not allowed in any country with my flying hours.
But it seems you're making another ad hominem point about me being not allowed an opinion because i'm not a display pilot? Do you have options on films? too bad you're not a director. Do you have a favourite sports person? too bad you're not a professional. Do you see how dumb this argument is?
>Usually delusional eurotrash wanking is amusing, but you might want to ease off the throttle there bucko. Railing at America isn't gonna change whatever your real problem is.
it was actully the person i am replying to that makes it 'us' and 'them'. So far the only people to bring up the nationality of posters have been people that are arguing that the blue angels are in the top 5.
We've already established that 1. I am British. 2. My favourite display team is not even European. and while not yet stated, my favourite display team in Europe isn't even the red arrows.
But yeah sure, i must be a nationalist if I don't like the blue angels.
Can we come up with better discussion than attempted character assassination? I have to go to bed soon and so far no one had said anything worthwhile.
>>30160634
>Blue angels have never been considered an air show highlight outside of North America
History disagrees with you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Angels#1960s
>Later that year, they embarked on a European tour to a dozen sites, including the Paris Air Show, where they were the only team to receive a standing ovation.
>I can't readily comment on how their flying style has changed
Right. Because you have no fucking clue what you're talking about and have pulled some utterly baseless criticism of FBW out of your ass.
>pilots that are working hard to maintain a position VS holding a reference point
VS? VS? Clearly you've never flown formation, or you'd know that the two are essentially mutually inclusive.
>how can you possibly think that the team with the artificially reduced workload are somehow better pilots?
Never said they're any better than they used to be. I merely debunked your claim that they can only fly so close together due to FBW, since they clearly have been doing so far longer than they've been flying Hornets.
>the ability to flow from one movement to another is a huge part of a good team, It's linked already but look at the flow of the Jordanians.
The Jordanians fly light propeller planes that are slow enough to transition inside of the aerobatic box. They're not even remotely comparable - you'd be better off comparing them to the Flying Bulls or Team Aeroshell, who do perform such transitions inside the box. With jets they generally just don't have the real estate to perform such transitions, but at least the Blue Angels make up for this by alternating between the Diamond and the Opposing Solos.
>an unrivalled ability to meet at a point in space after complex individual actions.
>unrivalled
Wew lad
Instead of shitting all over FBW, maybe you should be shitting on swept wings instead, since that's the real reason the Blue Angels can't perform Lomcevaks and such.
>>30161127
>But it seems you're making another ad hominem point about me being not allowed an opinion because i'm not a display pilot?
Oh, you're allowed any opinion you want. And my opinion is that you think you a lot more than you actually do.
>>30161101
*which are from the 70's.
the F-16 and the F/A-18 both grew out of the Lightweight Fighter
>>30161127
if you don't like the Blues or Thunderbirds, that's fine. but saying that they're unskilled because their jets are FBW is ridiculous. FBW simply means that the control surfaces are moved by a computer's signals. you could program that computer to have an extremely predictable amount of deflection of the control surfaces per distance of stick travel or stick force and move only the control surfaces that you'd expect an aircraft to move... like (mostly) a F-15E (which was designed in the 80's and is honestly just superficially similar to a F-15C). or you can program it to say "my pilot wants me to have a loaded roll to the right. the most efficient way is to deflect my stabs and my rudder and not even move my ailerons"... like a F-15SA.
>>30161101
>never flown a DA40. my first flight was in a DA20, though. good little plane.
From my understanding they are basically the same plane. The 40 is slightly more modern with a glass cockpit, the 20 is a nice analogue plane. the 40 would make the workload a bit easier but that's it.
>>30158633
>top five
>can't name the teams
>>30161127
>ad hominem
you clearly don't know what this means. Ad Hominem is when someone insults you and claims that, because they have insulted you, that your argument is not to be believed. An ad hominem attack reads like "You're a faggot, so I'm not going to listen to you."
Instead, what has been done is that your claims keep being extrapolated (because you haven't given background until after someone exaggerates what you've said) and then your opponent is drawing conclusions based on the exaggerated version of your claims. This is called a "straw man" argument: he sets up an easily defeated version of your viewpoint, and then handily defeats it.
I'm sorry if I come off like a pedant, but you should know that misusing meta-terminology during a debate makes you look like a fool no matter how correct you otherwise are.
ITT: People who think fly by wire is equivalent to a drone with a squishy meat bag inside to captain it.
This isn't fucking War Thunder.
You move the stick wrong, your plane does wrong things. Yes computers are taking the inputs and coming up with the correct outputs, but it won't prevent a Blue Angels pilot from being off and ramming into the tailpipe of the flight leader if they don't input the right stick motion.
>>30160361
>Look at the pitiful number of foreign events the US teams are invited to.
They aren't invited to many for the same reason that the US men's team won't ever win the world cup, which is the same reason why you won't see a competitive American driver in F1, which is the same reason why, with one exception, no American team has won Le Mans since 1967. The rest of the world, and especially Europeans, hate to see America win. When we are allowed to play on a level playing field we win A LOT. We don't get that involved with sports outside of our own country, save for the Olympics, because every time we do the organizing bodies do every thing they can to rig the system against us. I would expect nothing less when it comes to military air team demonstrations. Why watch your country get crushed by a country that has not one but two military air demonstration teams, when you can simply not invite them? That way you can pretend that you still have some relevance on the world stage.
>>30160097
>Ongoing Civil War
"At least we're not America guys hur hur"
>>30161298
>People who think fly by wire is . . .
>People
>plural
It's literally one butthurt Eurofag who can't handle the fact that there's yet again another thing which the US is best (or at least very good) at.
