Is it just me, or have pistol caliber carbines seen a significant uptick in popularity recently? Why is this?
>>30143448
9mm box of 50, 9 bucks
5.56 box of 50, $25
That is why.
>>30143448
Because most pistol calibers out of a rifle type system are pretty fucking fun and pistol ammo is cheap as fug
>>30143460
Please tell me where I can get 50 rounds of 9mm for that price that isn't Tula
Not being snarky, I legitimately want to know. I'm getting a 9mm soon and I hunger for ammo.
>>30143484
>that isn't Tula
well if you're gonna be nit picky.
>>30143484
http://aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=AW9FMJ115&name=WPA+(WOLF)+9mm+115grn+FMJ+50rd+Box&groupid=46
>>30143484
http://aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=ACCI9FMJ124&name=CCI+Blazer+9mm+FMJ+124grn+Brass+50rd+box&groupid=46
>>30143484
Walmart has this stuff for $9.95 a box. Reasonably clean. No stoppages in 550 rounds and counting.
>>30143448
>9mm is cheap
>9mm is effective
>9mm is soft recoiling
>often times can use pistol mags
>9mm especially in lighter or hotter loads can reach excellent velocities out of a 16" barrel
>9mm has less muzzle blast out of a shorter barrel than say .223
>most of these guns are blowback which is stupid reliable and simple
>can still generally get 30 round mags
There are a lot of good qualities in a pistol caliber carbine, short or long barreled. Will it deliver the same energy as a .223 SBR? No. But that doesn't mean they are inadequate or serve no purpose. Maybe for someone who can only afford one "long gun" and one hand gun would benefit from having say a glock 19 and a 9mm AR that takes Glock mags. A 9mm out of a 5, 6, hell let alone a 16" barrel is still effective at ranges that would be hard to make hits at with a handgun. 1, maybe even 200 meters depending on loading or barrel length. I like em but dont have one yet.
>>30143448
sig mpx
zenith (turk i think)
>hk hurries to catch up last minute.
why are they so dumb guys?hk getting wind of this last.
>>30143700
Germany has fucktarded export laws for firearms to my understanding and the MP5 market in the US probably isnt big enough to justify making an export/import compliant version. I imagine at the price theyre asking for, only hardcore collectors are going to purchase them. The zenith guns are much better bang for buck for actual shooters.
arm braces became a thing
>>30143700
>insert meme about H&K hating civilians
>>30143448
because they are cheaper and just as fun to shoot. Also, judging from posts on /k/ you can shoot them at some indoor ranges if that's your thing.
I love my CX4. Just a lot of fun to shoot. Serves no other purpose than that. Then again, my PS90 serves no purpose other than being fun to shoot.
>>30143460
>5.56 costs .50 cpr
retard that shops at walmart while wearing crocs, please leave
>>30143448
You aren't wrong. 2016 certainly is gearing up to be the year of the PCC. Me personally I think it's because they are fun to shoot, relatively versatile (they make good brush guns for small critters), and they come in some very cool varieties. If the NFA didn't exist I guarantee the last 60 years would have been 60 years of PCC in sbr form selling like hot cakes.
>>30144144
>.50 cpr is the norm here in ak
>.45-.40 in bulk
>>30145816
xm193 can be had for 35-38cpr
tula steel shit for 28-30cpr
and those are cuckifornia prices
>>30143484
I live in Commiefornia and even we can find Privi or similar lower shelf ammo for around that.
I regret not buying a ruger pc9 when they were still in production
>>30143448
90% of people don't actually shoot their guns all that much (ever) so they don't realize how laughable 9mm out of a "PCC" is in the real world.
>>30145925
Arguably the gains could be considered diminished at 16", but they are there none the less you stupid bitch.
>>30145960
>Posts graph showing essentially zero difference even if you believe the stopping power meme
>Believes this justifies a 6lb+ 30in+ "rifle" over a sub 1lb pistol that fits in your pocket
>Calling over people a stupid bitch for not buying garbage platforms that have been abandoned by competent militaries worldwide since WW2
They're fun and cheap to shoot + you can use them for home defense (unlike .22lr rifles)
Ill get one of these or an AR in 9mm when the magwells dont look fuck ugly with the mags inside them
>>30146432
They should just make 9mm mags that are overly large and fill the magwell properly
>>30143484
You can find 1000 rounds for $200 online a lot
>>30143484
stock up on Perfecta at walmart when it's on sale.
Pistol Caliber Carbines are fun as fuck
narrow minded people who can't comprehend the concept of a cheap funny rifle that can be shot at every pistol range at a fraction of the cost of a rifle cartridge should keep their stupidity to themselves
>>30147364
Yeah, that's probably an easier solution to the problem
>>30146432
Quarter Circle 10 brah
>>30148398
Damn thats a nice fit
>>30143448
>Cheaper ammo.
>Lethal at desired range (<50)
>Accurate at desired range (<50)
>Less recoil than 5.56
>Possible to make lighter weapons
>Rounds are designed to be fired out of a short barrel.
If you want a carbine why not do what the military does and go with a 14.5 (pinned but still)?
9mm SBR is best SBR.
>>30146131
>using a sub 1lb pistol
>ignoring that you will be able to fire faster and have greater accuracy and effective range with a PCC
Do you even hasgunz?
Are you one of those veterans who has never shot a pistol?
>>30143760
They're releasing a new MP5 style pistol in the near future for US.
It's more expensive and lacks things like the threaded or 3 lug barrel the Zenith has.
I wish it would have been comparable, but theaws made it what it is I guess and Zeniths were ready to ship, so that's what I did.
>>30143448
I'd be curious to see how this correlates with sales of suppressors, which seem to be more popular than ever.
Pistol calibres supress well and subsonic ammo is readily available.
>>30143700
>>30143760
>>30144069
>Introducing the SP5 for 2016
>Now you can own a neutered piece of shit that is missing half of the features of the real thing
>This can be yours for ONLY $2699.99!!
>Spare magazines: $79.99
>>30148524
Oh boy I can't wait for this awesome 4" barreled smg
>>30148465
9mm is shit at any range anon. I shoot pistols all the time.
If the ~4cpr/$40 per case of ammo is a significant expense for you then you aren't really qualified to talk about the effectiveness of pistols or PCCs tbqh.
>>30148524
T-thanks H&K...
>>30148572
>shooting
>giving you knowledge of how lethal 9mm is.
Ok.
>>30148524
The funniest part is there are people who are guaranteed to jump at that neutered piece of shit, then act like they have snatched the golden grail of MP5s simply because it has the HK rollmark.
>>30143448
> tfw a friend of a friend of mine has a legal fell retard UZI
> in fucking europe
life is suffering
>>30143448
yes they have, we cant keep the MPX, Scorpion, or 9mm AR lowers in stock
theres a few factors
>fun
>cheap af to shoot
>can take it to any range and have fun with it
>glock and CZ mags are CHEAP
>good SBR candidates
>super quiet when suppressed
>USPSA recently got the OK for a pistol caliber carbine division so people want in on that shit my homie
>>30147364
Olympic Arms did that, Colt pattern mags still won out
>>30143460
Fpbp
/thread
>>30143448
This might sound crazy but I think the increase in steel target popularity/availability has something to do with it. You can shoot plates at pistol ranges with PCCs.
>>30148524
>$2699.99
What the fuck. It's a stamped steel blowback gun that's been in production for almost half a century.
It shouldn't cost a third of that.
>>30148693
Open bolt SMGs and their conversions are actually kind of meh (the full autos are fun for a while longer until the novelty of transforming large amounts of money into noise wears off.)
Wish I hadn't fallen for that meme, both my UZI and PPSh are just collecting dust nowadays.
>>30148777
I was shooting an semi auto UZI at gundrak in CZ half a year ago
god damn, those sexy open bolts
even if I didn´t hit anything past 15 meters, because lol, open bolt, shit was golden
I wish I would be able to shoot full retard guns anytime in my life
pic related
another gun I would love to shoot in full auto
>>30148747
This is just what HK does, release a gun with an absurd price on the US market and then pull it a little while later because they aren't selling well. Then they blame it's failure on lack of demand, never mind the neutered features and ridiculous price.
>>30148626
That sbr
>>30143534
>Wolf > Tula
>Tula > Wolf
>>30148803
I've shot one of those the magazine spring really heavy.
>>30148466
No shit, I was referring to that.
>the price theyre asking for
As in for the SP5.
>not building a cheap as fuck PM63
wew
>>30143448
because USPSA announced that it would be the latest provisional class and nobody's found out the perfect gamer gun(s) yet?
>>30148398
What's that black stuff on the handguard?
>>30143448
>pistol calibers are cheaper to shoot than centerfire rifle rounds
>.22 LR has become more expensive and is still hard to find in some areas
>pistol calibers are just as effective as centerfire rifle rounds for shooting inside 100 yards at the range
>pistol calibers still have recoil somewhat comparable to lighter centerfire rifle rounds
>pistol calibers are more comfortable to shoot from guns with short barrels
>the AR-15 has become objectively the best intermediate caliber rifle in the price range that most people are willing to pay so companies need to innovate in a different area
A lot of gun owners use their guns for fun on the range and don't care about the gun being the most effective thing to use in a situation that they will likely never be in.
>>30143448
Cheap to feed.
Easy to operate.
Fun to shoot.
PCC's are starting to make their way into more shooting sports too from what I've seen. USPSA released some rules for a PCC division and local clubs are starting to allow them at matches. Local Steel Challenge matches are starting to allow PCC's as well. Now that there's a good place to use them for competition, expect to see their popularity continue to grow.
>>30148725
This is it for me. I love to shoot steel and there's more opportunity to do it with pistol calibers.
I built a 9mm SBR with this in mind.
The PCC market needs a disruption
I suggest a dual gun package mated inside a polymer receiver.
Twice the bang.
>>30145877
>and those are cuckifornia prices
bulk prices
>>30145925
Even a 9mm FMJ is not laughable once you have it zip through your lungs.
Some of y'all faggots act like anything less than a 7.62NATO OTM won't kill with ease.
9mm is cheap as shit and on the lower end of deadly
>>30148355
hah. han's blaster and the stormtrooper rifle. that's cool, nerdy as fuck but pretty cool
>>30143448
I originally thought that was an image of a really tiny gun in a giant hand.
I thought, "man. That really is a tiny caliber carbine."
>>30149964
ok, be real with me anons.
how hard are these to build? what is involved
