You're now completely in charge of the Russian Air Force.
What do you change ?
>>30134089
Make it not suck gigantic dick.
>>30134095
But how ?
>>30134108
Get US sanctions to fuck off (It's 2016)
The fact that they're cash strapped is their main issue.
Modernise and sell all MiG-29's. All of them.
Replace them with the J-10B with Russian hardware fitted (AL-41F1S engine instead of WS-10 for example).
Simple
>sell all old stuff to get savings
>stop PAK FA program and turn it into testbed for new shit
>fix the bloody engines
>acquire new SU-35s and SU-27+++++++++
>more transport planes, especially super heavy ones. Potential market abroad
>develope cheap bomb truck that is very easy maintenance, use it to replace Frogfoots and SU-24s. Sell it to sandpeople/africans.
That is some
>>30134108
by being the russian airforce
>>30134089
Get non-slavic maintainers.
Actually pay the crews.
Try to get avionics that weren't obsolete in 1970.
Scrap everything over 60 years old and buy more than a dozen new things.
Buy French or Belgian engines for everything, the Russian and Chink engines keep exploding.
Fly all the Tu-95's into Mecca, one every 15 minutes for...shit. I guess 2 hours
>>30134089
Send in the drones.
Learn how to S-duct
>>30134089
I have a kickass Independence Day. Since I have no places I really want to bomb indiscriminately, I might as well just set off a shit ton of explosives.
>>30134147
>>develope cheap bomb truck that is very easy maintenance, use it to replace Frogfoots and SU-24s. Sell it to sandpeople/africans.
Yak-130
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUHFVPE_wBE
>What do you change ?
replace drunk pilots with drones.
>>30134249
>replace drunk pilots with drones
You're just moving the problem, because now you have a drunk slav piloting the drone.
>>30134249
>Yak-130
Probably the best looking jet out there at the moment. It just looks so good.
Arent the italians manufacturing this under license?
>>30134275
I dunno. But I heard Syria bought them. And Israel bombed the first order while they where in the hangar.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLK99aLCwok
>>30134089
Open the planes to private booking by tourists. The Russian air farce is useless. Might as well make some money out of it.
>>30134298
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OznteXryltY
>>30134298
Id imagine there would have been some news reports around that.
This whole thread, Jesus Christ...
lead a coup against the Russian government, use what's wrong with the country as a platform for support
win said coup deat and break up the country into smaller countries
sell nooks to china/norks
>>30134089
Allow people to enlist as maintenance.
Install nukes in every single plane.
>>30134089
My allegiance to the west because I'm getting paid fuckall.
Move to a Hi-Lo mix like the rest of the world. Dedicated heavy interceptors and a hodgepodge of different Su-27 variants is a joke. Fucking standardize that shit already and that massive ease of the logistics footprint of the VVS will go a long way.
If we're going to go 5th gen, then go fucking 5th gen, quit wasting money on buying 4++ Gen aircraft, or if we're going to stay 4++ and work on 6th gen, then ditch 5th entirely, it's a waste of time and no potential adversary can keep up with our 4++ anyway, even the US has given up on anything but token upgrades to their 4th gen fleet. The biggest potential adversary is not the west anymore, it's to Russia's south.
Completely alter Russian doctrine in terms of army and VVS relationship. The VVS should NEVER rely upon the Army to act as the first line of defense and be a major part of gaining air superiority. The VVS should be designed much like the US where it's goal first and foremost is to take the initiative away from an adversary and maintain that initiative. Having to fall back on a defense posture is a death sentence when war moves as fast as it does now.
That is how you begin to unfuck the VVS. Moving away from old Soviet doctrine and mentality is the key to modernization
>>30134275
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alenia_Aermacchi_M-346_Master
Scrap the Bear and the Blackjack bombers.
Scrap anything over 15 years old.
Just start firing generals and senior officers. While rebuilding the officer corps at the junior officer level. Invite the Swiss and Japanese airforce officers in to serve as instructors in proper operations and culture.
No more conscripts for the air force. Volunteers only and make up any manpower shortages with contractors I can fire easily.
build up a NCO corps like the US military has. raise standards of conduct, technical competence, and living for the enlisted, at all ranks. fire the existing senior NCOs that don't play ball.
PAK FA is reduced to a tech development mule. reduce funding for it.
find countries with competent and modern air forces that will do friendly war game exercises with russia. preferably someone that isn't China.
Get Sukohi to develop a Gripen/F16 like airplane. So I can have a modern and new low cost multirole to do most of the day to day air force work.
move all air force to guard only the western region bordering europe and the south east region bordering china and nkorea. though maintain airfields in the south central region. In case the Stans get uppity.
get rid of the ICBMs based in silos, trains, and ground vehicles. switch all the nuclear capability to airplane launched nuclear cruise missiles and submarine ballistic missiles.
>>30134089
Suck Putin's dick to prevent the totally-not-the-KGB from icepicking me.
>>30134142
>J-10
>WS-10
Apart from like 2 prototypes the rest of the 300 or so J-10s use AL-31s.
>>30134550
>get rid of the ICBMs based in silos, trains, and ground vehicles. switch all the nuclear capability to airplane launched nuclear cruise missiles and submarine ballistic missiles.
It is almost as if you want to lose your deadhand switch.
>>30134142
>J - anything. Yeah no. There's a reason China doesn't fly them that often
>Forget about stealth aircrafts
>Focus all money and researches on developing stealth detecting small radars
>put them on the SU-35
>develop much powerful and longer range BVR and cruise missiles
>put them on the SU-35
And voilà ! You have most powerful aircraft in the air + 5th gen puts no problems
Recommend a foreign policy that doesn't unite everyone against me.
>>30134665
nuclear weapons are expensive to maintain.
The USA spends fifty billion a year just to keep the current stockpile in working condition.
>>30134550
You are in charge of the VVS, not the Tsar of Russia.
Your only friends with actual Air Forces is China, India, and Iran.
Most of this thread is completely out of bounds since half the suggestions would immediately be halted / be impossible to implement.
>>30134550
>Get Sukohi to develop a Gripen/F16 like airplane. So I can have a modern and new low cost multirole to do most of the day to day air force work.
>plane with no range for the country that has the most landmass
brilliant
>>30134919
How can I focus on making weapons of war, if I don't have peace going on in the background? It makes things so much simpler.
>>30135146
Those same nuclear weapons are the only thing preventing other countries from breaking Russia up into independent shitholes.
>>30134089
Start buying Saab NG JAS-39's and figure out how the west makes real radars and engines.
>>30134089
1. Start having an air force
>figure out what building Putin will be in
>level that building with bombs
>I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country
I prefer the direction Aerospace forces are taking right now.
Putting out new vastly improved and modernized derivatives of Su-27 whereas the americans will have to rely on the same aging, deteriorating and outdated fleet of F-15s for decades to come.
Investing in long range cruise missile platforms like Tu-160s while only dozen of B-1s can even get in the air and the last B-52s are falling apart.
Having two design bureaus competing for next generation fighters when Lockheed has de-facto monopoly in this field in the west, and USAF is forced to buy disastrous boondoogle not because they like it but simply because they have no alternative.
>>30134632
It doesnt change the end result i would see like: A J-10B with an AL-41F1S (117S engine found on the Su-35S).
>>30134816
>Implying.
>>30136456
It really is aggravating that America has allowed Lockheed to amass so much power.
>>30136643
The DoD alternates contracts.
Boeing is getting the next big one.
>>30134550
Plenty of good suggestions here, but removing a leg from the nuclear triad would be reckless and would open the country to some amounts of first strike options
>>30134275
Why buy from the italians, these things are meant to be realatively cheap already, just buy from moscow
>>30136456
Wut? How many TU-160s do you think Russia has that work? Publicly they say 11, but It's probably alot less.
Russia has less "modernized" Su-27s than the USA has F-22s. I don't think anyone is really worried about that, plus the F-22/F-15 replacement is coming sooner than you think. At worse the USA could order some "modernized" F-15s at anytime.
>>30134275
It's very similar, but the development paths diverged when the partners split.
Ironically, if America ends up using it, it will mean both America and Russia will train in almost the same aircraft.
>>30135381
>drop tanks
>mid air refuel
>put your fighters where the threat is most likely to be . no one is going to come over the arctic and into Siberia.
>>30136725
silo missiles are first strike targets and a poor second strike option.
>>30134147
>develope cheap bomb truck that is very easy maintenance, use it to replace Frogfoots and SU-24s. Sell it to sandpeople/africans
what extactly is cheap about devopling a new design to replace proven ones?
the Su-25t is still pretty modern and the su-24 will be more than enough to carpetbomb sandniggers for years to come
>>30134089
Sell everything. Buy F-35s
Get over collapse of Soviet Union.
Stop worrying about the West, view China as the real threat.
Especially since China is stealing my technology.
>>30136725
>Plenty of good suggestions here
This whole fucking thread, I swear :D
Fly all our shit to Norway. Get sweet socialist oil-money for me and pilots
>>30134142
>Replace them with the J-10B with Russian hardware fitted
But why? J-10 is a Mig 1.44.
>>30137078
>How many TU-160s do you think Russia has that work? Publicly they say 11, but It's probably alot less.
16. He talks about "investing". Russians ordered more Tu-160s and modernize machines they already have.
>>30137125
>the Su-25t is still pretty modern and the su-24 will be more than enough to carpetbomb sandniggers for years to come
Old engines has low resource. Su-34 has a lot of common with Su-27 family, so it's maintenance can be cheaper.
I will build thousand of unmanned Mig-21. Production will be cheap as possible - 3d printing and stuff. Even when 10 Mig-21 will be lost against 1 F-35, it will be cheaper for us.
>>30138333
J-10 is a Lavi, it shares relatively few features with Mig 1.44.
The Israeli willingness to trade stuff to China is one reason the US is somewhat holding back on selling Israeli's the good shit.
>>30138333
>But why? J-10 is a Mig 1.44.
If you want to accuse a Chinese plane to be a MiG-1.42/1.44, then it would have to the the J-20. Even this accusation is false btw.
And as for the J-10 itself, it is a more modern plane then the MiG-29 and because it is powered by an AL-31/WS-10 engine, it can fit the AL-41F1S aswell (The one mounted on the Su-35S) and thus can share parts commonality, reducing costs.
>>30134891
This.
>>30137105
>mid air refuel
This necessitates building tankers, as Russia's tanker fleet is pretty poor right now. They've never needed a tanker fleet like the US has because they have the long range interceptors and they don't have to cross an ocean to protect their interests.
>no one is coming over the arctic or Siberia
Nevermind US strategic bombers were designed with those kind of long flights in mind, which is why the MiG-25 and 31 were built in the first place
>silo missiles are first strike targets and a poor second strike option.
Unless your opponent has no idea your nukes are incoming until they actually land, you will get yours off before his destroy your silos. Airbases are more vulnerable than silos to both nuclear and conventional strikes, and the likelihood of any Russian boomer at sea surviving 5 minutes after the USA says "Go" is incredibly poor. As retarded as >>30136725
is, he's right on the nukes.
>>30134089
drink too much vodka and fuck slav whores
>>30134089
sell all assets and aircraft, replace with facilities to accommodate 1 million wood and fabric triplanes. Each aircraft is piloted by a drunken slav with no training armed only with a couple grenades and a handgun. Battle tactics would consist solely of mass wave attacks.
So very little would change actually.
>>30135381
>>plane with no range for the country that has the most landmass
That's exactly what's wrong with the Mig-29, the closest competitor in that same role in the Russian Air Force. Its dual engines sap twice the amount of fuel in a fighter that's the size of the F-16. Everything that's wrong with the F-16 is worse on the Mig-29.
Forget stealth, a 4+++ Gen, single engine multirole with additional internal space for fuel/internal weapons bays would go a long way in making their Air Force more effective, instead of relying on these old platforms that can only operate in short bursts of violence before RTB.
>>30138789
>Everything that's wrong with the F-16 is worse on the Mig-29.
When did you see F-16 takeoff without external fuel tanks last time? Mig-29 without external fuel tanks has 30% bigger range than F-16. Mig-29 is a double engined fighter, he beats F-16. But you don't need a heavy fighter, you already have Su-27. You need light fighter. Mig-29 is not light enough. And that's why it's a mistake. It's too heavy for light fighter class and too light for heavy-fighter class. In Eritrean–Ethiopian War Russia sold weapon to both sides and Ethiopian Su-27s kicked the shit out of Eritrean MiG-29s. Even in dogfights. It was freaking Ace Combat with mercs and shit.
>>30134550
>find countries with competent and modern air forces that will do friendly war game exercises with russia. preferably someone that isn't China.
China does decent exercises, and Russia doesn't have many options.
>>30134816
They are all China flies senpai. And they fly them way too much actually.
For example, a lot of their training planes are 40+ years old like America.
The frontline ones are new as hell though. They make like 200 a year now.
![tumblr_ms9pqoJ5Ix1so6usgo1_1280[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/z5BjF4G.jpg "tumblr_ms9pqoJ5Ix1so6usgo1_1280[1].jpg")
>>30134550
>Scrap the Bear and the Blackjack bombers.
>>30134816
They are all China flies senpai. And they fly them way too much actually.
For example, a lot of their training planes are 40+ years old like America.
The frontline ones are new as hell though. They make like 200 a year now.>>30137148
>Stop worrying about the West, view China as the real threat.
>Especially since China is stealing my technology.
This is a retarded suggestion considering Russia would collapse without the Chinese economy.
Russia and China are great buddies of necessity in 2016. The Russians may not like it, but that's who they are dependent on.
>>30138333
>J-10 is a Mig 1.44.
No
>>30138403
>Israel #1 prospect alongside Japan for F-22
>getting some of the first F-35's
>>30139720
OK, J-20 is, I get it.
>>30134089
Sell everything and buy an army of hookers
>>30134089
Putin pls go
>>30139795
You already have 900 000 Ukrainian refugees.
>>30134089
More dakka.
>>30139766
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LMAO WUT M8
The J-10 is closer to the Mig 1.44 than the J-20 since the J-20 is literally a modified Lavi/J-10.
>>30134275
>>30134275
>>Yak-130
>Probably the best looking jet out there at the moment.
Holy shit you are correct....
>>30134275
small, simple, probably fuel efficient, seems like a top notch piece
>Start revolution
>Kick Putin out
>Become pro western
>Join NATO
>Scrap all Russian built planes
>Buy F16s
>>30134089
>What do you change ?
Leadership. Coup is now.
Create CAS variant of An-22 similar to AC-130U
>>30142435
>>30134089
1. Issue every pilot one bottle of vodka before they get in the cockpit
2. Invite the world to watch, at a cost
Hopefully you'll make more money from people watching slavshit hit the ground, and you'll free up space for better pilots and aircraft.
>>30142435
AC-130 can be useful against sandpeople stuck between 1950s and stone age, but it's rendered worthless against any opponent with most basic AA. Kinda like vast majority of USAF arsenal.
>>30137078
I'm genuinely perplexed by your ridiculous allegations. Why wouldn't all Tu-160s be combat operational? Surely you're not suggesting that an elite strategic bomber and a pillar of Russian nuclear deterrence would be somehow left unattended. It's the Americans who have completely given up maintaining actually working aircraft in favor of dysfunctional hangar queens with zero combat application.
>the F-22/F-15 replacement is coming sooner than you think. At worse the USA could order some "modernized" F-15s at anytime.
Sure thing m8, just don't run out of museums and scrapyards before that happens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACx_d5eMAFE
>>30143406
>Why wouldn't all Tu-160s be combat operational? Surely you're not suggesting that an elite strategic bomber and a pillar of Russian nuclear deterrence would be somehow left unattended.
Not him, but i will suggest it. The fall of the USSR really fucked the russian armed forces, to the point that they are just now recovering, and not even fully.
>>30143406
>files news
>288 views
>655 subs
Wew lad. Is that what the Kremlin found for you to post?
>>30143430
There are less than 200k trained shooters in the US Army. Apparently 8 years of homosexual negro in the White House can fuck up your military much worse than any political disaster or societal breakdown.
>>30143576
>There are less than 200k trained shooters in the US Army.
I fail to see the issue here. There is only 400k active duty (and i AM assuming you are talking active duty).
Are you IMPLYING the russians have more? Perhaps you will apply a different standard, and say that every conscript that completes basic is now a "trained shooter". Maybe you will add in the police. Maybe you will be saying other nations can ignore little insignificant thinks like logistics.
Who knows, lets find out my vatnik friend.
>>30143705
There's no issue at all. As long as you're okay with lacking troops and functional motor vehicles to take over fucking Iran.
>>30143736
>As long as you're okay with lacking troops and functional motor vehicles to take over fucking Iran.
Wew lad, you might want to look up the numbers of the Iranian army ground forces and the US army ground forces.
For example, the iranians have 1,500 armored fighting vehicles.
The Us has over 6,000 strykers alone. Over 6,000 bradleys too.
The iranians have 3,000 tanks.
The US? Over 6,000.
I dont even want to get into quality.
Must i go on?
>>30143766
>strykers
>bradleys
>tanks
Oh my, look at all that flat terrain and paved roads! We're totally not going to burn alive inside our armored pyromangals in every canyon or bleed our asses dry storming next worthless bunker on that ridge!
I was actually talking about Humvees/L-ATVs. None of that slow, heavy, short range MRAP shit you used to for patrols in A-stan.
The goverment.
Glass moscow, start fresh.
>>30143576
200k
+ reserves
+ national guard
+ ready reserve
+ millions of veterans that would be clawing at the recruiters door for a chance to fight.
Not to mention selective service.
>>30143810
OH NOOOO, THE US DOES NOT HAVE....
Oh wait, yes they do, they have about A QUARTER OF A FUCKING MILLION humvees alone.
Jesus christ anon, read a fucking book or something, fuck.
>>30143406
You do know we still bomb shit with B-52's, B-1's and B-2's right.
Right know someone somewhere is getting bombed by the US.
Its been like that since 9/11.
>>30143837
>'functional' motor vehicles
excellent reading comprehension
>>30143845
Are you saying the humvees are not functional as vehicles, or that the US lets its active stuff rot like some russian shithole? Lets find out!
>>30143766
"Active duty U.S. military personnel from 1950 to 2003. The two peaks correspond to the Korean War and the Vietnam War. The projected active duty end strength in the armed forces for FY 2016 was 1,301,300 people, with an additional 811,000 people in the seven reserve components."
Don't you have wikipedia in Russia?
2ch.kh/wm here.
Here is the russian wiew point of modernizing AF (in the order of priority):
1) Increase the production of RVV-SD mid-range air-to-air missile and fill the squadrons in service (flying Su-35S, Su-30SM, Su-27SM, Su-34) with it, provide intensive combat training for it.
2) Decrese the number of Su-30SM in production in favor of Su-35S.
3) Complete and produse serial PAK-FAs.
4) Continue to develope RVV-SD-PD extended-range scram-jet version of RVV-SD. Deploy the RVV-MD short-range air-to-air missile.
5) Su-34 needs an update. Attack detection system (like on Su-35S) and laser radiation decectors (like on Su-35S) to warn pilot about "stealth" attack (radar off, IR-missiles). Bigger nose cone to fit a decent radar (like on Su-35S once again. Cone from Su-33KUB prototybe will be good. Conformal weapon container beetwen the engines for 2 bombs and 2 a-a missiles for more "stealthy" configuration (but this is only if we need to go really deep with modernizing Su-34).
6) Finnaly give the Air Force the external ground targeting pod. It will come in handy for: Su-30SM, Su-27SM, Su-35S, Mig-29SMT, Mig-29K, Tu-22M3. Maybe even for Su-34, Su-25SM, Su-24M.
7) Stop replacing Su-25 with Su-25SM. Increase the number of ordered Su-25SM3 instead.
8) Remember the stuff I said about fitting passive attack detection systems from Su-35S to Su-34? Now fit them into Tu-22M3 and Su-30SM.
9) Blackjacks and Bears are OK.
10) Finaly replace poor old Su-24 with Su-34 or Su-30SM or anyting. Maybe convert them to a EW or designated anti-sam plane, to tactical fuel tanker, idk.
Helicopters are the separate topic.
>>30143877
>Conformal weapon container beetwen the engines for 2 bombs and 2 a-a missiles for more "stealthy" configuration
Seems like a waste. Weapons dont actually add all that much to RCS. Fan blades and geometry adds far more.
>>30142233
>>30139805
>>30134367
>Leadership. Coup is now.
Implying You Americans wouldn't do anything to get a president of Putin's caliber.
Say what you want about the man, but he really gets things done and actually acts like he runs a superpower.
>>30144074
Yep, but this may be just the first step. We will have to update Su-34 frame many times, as it will remain the the main tactical bomber for RuAF for many years. It will stay even after PAK-FA serial production will be over. So it is a good idea to try make it in some ways more like Silent Eagle.
>>30134089
get a bigger dacha
>>30144111
Shillary is more of a man than putin.
Trump will set things right again.
>>30144111
>he gets things done
>like getting our countries economy sanctioned to death, or sending thousands of troops over the border to die with duct tape over their unit patches
I'd pick an Obama over a Putin any day of the week.
Ineffective beats actively destructive.
>>30137020
the italian will sell you almost everything, they love to sell weapons
italianfag here
so much talking about human rights but the money and the workplaces from weapons factories, well politics you now especially now, after the problems with india.
>>30144127
I dont think its a good step. Do something like the hornet to super hornet RCS reduction features.
I mean, a low RCS weapon pod is easy, but not the most effective first step.
Personally, they need to drop the Soviet style upgrade process and go to a western style "block" upgrade process. Having a gorllian different varients of the same plane does not help anyone.
>>30144127
>>30144266
Stealth retrofits have always been, and always will be shit.
Seriously, "can't we just add stealth to the existing planes" is something USAF generals have been asking since the discovery of RCS reduction in the late 70s, and the answer is no.
Source: the Silent Eagle cost projections are higher than the F-35, for a much worse product.
>>30138665
this
>>30138688
and this
>>30142435
and this just for the lulz
>>30144271
Thats not fair.
Turning a not stealth plane into one is generally shit. Reducing RCS as a part of an upgrade (super hornet) or as a base design feature (eurofighter, b-1) is not always shit, and generally worth it as long as you are understanding that you are not full stealth.
>>30144074
>Weapons dont actually add all that much to RCS. Fan blades and geometry adds far more.
Because weapons totally do not affect geometry, right?
>>30134142
Is the Mig29 really bad? Can you elaborate I'm new to planes, but the 29 seems pretty cool.
>>30144444
Sweet septs.
That said, no, a missile on a pylon is no where near, say, an entire out of plane angle on the aircraft.
>>30143877
That's what russians would really do.
it's like put more ERA and shit.
>>30144444
well you can have weapons bay and only show them when its already too late and then close the bays again to keep your "stealthyness" on for retreat to base.
>>30144127
>ways more like Silent Eagle.
Why do you want to turn f-111 into silent eagle?
>>30144206
Noice.
>>30144352
>(super hornet)
it has new hull actually. it is like turn b-1a into b-1b.
>>30143430
>Not him, but i will suggest it. The fall of the USSR really fucked the russian armed forces
It fucked them and it very much showed on Tu-160, but not in the way you think.
There were 35 Tu-160's made, 8 prototypes and 27 serial pieces. 10 production run aircraft were destroyed under CTR program and one sits in a museum in Ukraine.
Due to the breakup, all operational aircraft (19) actually ended up stationed in newly independent Ukraine and for almost a full decade, Russia had less Blackjacks than Ukraine (last 8 finished at Kazan after the dissolution).
Russia bargained energy debt relief for the remainder of the bombers with Ukraine, but they only got another 8 out of this deal and Ukraine scrapped remaining aircraft under CTR program.
Thus Russia only has 16 aircraft in inventory and formally introduced them to the Air force only in 2005.
Only 10-11 on duty because they are pulling them one after another back to Kazan for refit into M variant. 2 aircraft were finished so far.
I don't really believe the talk about 50 new Blackjacks getting built...ever. They are ridiculously expensive aircraft to build and maintain that serve little purpose unless you decide to show off your dick and criminally misuse their capabilities to launch cruise missiles at sand people with AK's and Toyotas.
However, you can bet your ass that Russians are taking great care of what few of them they actually have.
>>30144903
>Is the Mig29 really bad? Can you elaborate I'm new to planes, but the 29 seems pretty cool.
Too heavy for light multirole. Too light for heavy.
>>30147248
>Why do you want to turn f-111 into silent eagle?
You guys sure seem to keep mixing up Su-24 and Su-34. The latter is more like F-15E with armour and integrated targeting system.
>>30134089
Bomb Moscow and Beijing
>>30134275
Dawww
Its like a little short-bus F16
>>30137139
Congratulations, after selling off the VVS you now own the wheel of an F35.
What's your next move?
>>30134891
This isn't a bad strategy, but can you research stealth detection radar if you don't have up to date stealth technology to test it on?
>>30149712
Play with the wheel
>>30138333
>Even when 10 Mig-21 will be lost against 1 F-35, it will be cheaper for us.
Yeah because modern warfare works like an RTS game.
>>30149712
I kek'd
>>30144903
It really depends on which MiG-29 you are talking about. Fulcrum in general is an awesome fighter. Its problem is that because of the fall of the USSR Russia didn't have money anymore to support both its hi and lo air fleets, so they chose hi aircraft like Su-27 and MiG-31 and pretty much gave up on MiG-29. Because of this Fulcrum fleet remained unupgraded and undermaintained for years, to this day mostly consisting of 9.13 models (MiG-29S), the second Soviet serial production version introduced in 1985. The first really large late soviet program to upgrade its airframe that was solving a lot of initial issues including relatively short range was initiated in 1982 and as a result the first 9.15 model (MiG-29M or MiG-33) took its maiden flight in 1986. It resulted in 6 prototypes and more than a thousand test flights, but in 1993 the program was cancelled due to the lack of funds. However it didn't sink into oblivion completely, as the 9.31 model (the original MiG-29K) was developed based on it and first flew in 1988. Despite its loss in a competition to Su-27K (Su-33) and subsequent cancellation in the 90s, a decade later it got a second breath with the upgraded 9.41 and training 9.47 models winning the competition for two Indian contracts in 2004 and 2010, as well as subsequent contract for Russian Navy in 2012.
In the meantime the struggle to create the next serious upgrade to the airframe continued at slow pace in the 90s resulting in the 9.61 model (MiG-35) demonstrator introduction in 2004. This highly advanced version was to include AESA radar, RCS reduction and general performance improvement. Unfortunately by that time neither some of its systems were fully developed, nor Russia had enough money to fund and buy it to replace its fleet of old 9.13 model Fulcrums. Instead they did the following: an upgrade to the operational fleet was issued in 1998 resulting in the 9.17 model (MiG-29SMT), essentially a cost-effective improvement for MiG-29S with of some of MiG-29M features implemented. And yet, even this program was deemed unnecessary with only somewhat 30 units delivered, as Russian MoD now says operational Fulcrum fleet is too worn out and it has become completely inexpedient to issue any upgrades to it.
So yeah, It really depends. 9.13 was great in 1985. 9.15, was it not cancelled, could be absolutely wonderful during the whole 90s and beyond. 9.41 is one of the best carrier-based multiroles nowadays and 9.61 is a solid 4++ gen arguably on par with Advanced Super Hornet that is finally getting out of perpetual development with Egypt ordering some and Russia announcing possible plans to order it too.
>>30150587
>>30150605
>money anymore to support both its hi and lo air fleets
Mig-29 was always a bad 'low' fighter. It needed to be smaller and cheaper, which meant a single-engine fighter designed to replace the MiG-21.
The problem is that Russia couldn't make a reliable engine, and MiG were forced to go twin-engine and release a botched product.
>>30150687
>Mig-29 was always a bad 'low' fighter
Right, that's why even 9.12 monkey model impressed western pilots.
>Russia couldn't make a reliable engine, and MiG were forced to go twin-engine
Right, that's why Soviet Air Forces operated an absolutely gargantuan fleet of Su-17 and MiG-23/27.
>>30150803
USSR suffered a lot of problems with the Mig-21 fleet later in their life, especially when they started to lack money to constantly replace the engines as they were designed not to really be serviced. With the twin-engine designs they could at least be relieved that if an engine went out the plane could still fly back to base.
Russia never truly replaced the Mig-21. In fact many countries still fly them, and their most popular replacement is the F-16. MiG's 'next-gen' rumored fighter is also single-engine, if they ever get to build it that is.
MiG is really suffering right now. They really needed the large contract with India for the MiG-35s, right now they have very little orders. Just some pity MiG-35s from RuAF and then another order with Egypt and a few other small countries.
>>30150881
Because later in their life they have become too old and inefficient. And what does it have to do with MiG-21 anyway? I mentioned various examples of extremely successful single engine aircraft that remained in service up until the dissolution of the USSR.
>MiG's 'next-gen' rumored fighter is also single-engine
MiG's only new rumoured aircraft design is hypersonic successor of MiG-31.
>right now they have very little orders
Right now they have contracts for MiG-29K and MiG-35.
>>30151073
MiG-21 was arguably one of the most important planes of the Cold War, being wildly successful in exports to USSR allies and produced in tremendous numbers. I believe it was the most widely-produced supersonic jet ever.
It was important militarily, diplomatically, and economically.
MiG could never make a true successor due to limitations in engines, and it has haunted them ever since. MiG-29 is neither suitable for a hi or low role, and it shows in the numbers and orders. Algeria canned their 65 orders for Su-30s, and the only large export order has been 50 for Eygpt. That has been about it, apart from servicing and upgrades for small countries like Serbia.
>>30151185
Propaganda value of MiG-21 is not relevant in this particular talk about engines where I keep pointing you at the examples of extremely successful Soviet single engine aircraft and keep ignoring it. If you want to set a strawman, set it elswhere, I'm not going to take the bait.
>Algeria canned their 65 orders for Su-30s
It was 28 SMT + 6 UBT and they canned it not because of the engines or aircraft performance, but because some corrupted Russian manufacturer decided that it would be a great idea to save some money by supplying MiG with low quality details for the upgrade. On the contrary, Algeria kept their existing MiG-29 fleet that they apparently greatly enjoy operating.
>That has been about it
MiG-29K.
In short, at least try to do a little research before posting. I'm out for now, it's 5 o'clock in the morning.
>>30151485
You guys are both right, you know. Russia knows how to engineer a good engine, but they could never get the metallurgy to match that made in Western nations; which is one reason the MiG-25s engines have such short service lives to propel the aircraft at the speeds it can manage.
>>30151073
>MiG's only new rumoured aircraft design is hypersonic successor of MiG-31.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_LMFS
>>30141134
>>30134275
The Yak-130 is like that tiny tight-bodied little spinner at the strip club compared to long-limbed skinny bitches and lumbering manattees that work the day shift.
>>30150881
>MiG's 'next-gen' rumored fighter
MiG 1.44 was a MiG's next gen. They can initiatively develop their own projects, ministry of defense can refuse to buy them.
>>30150881
>MiG is really suffering right now.
True
>They really needed the large contract with India for the MiG-35s, right now they have very little orders.
They can sell some MiG-29K<insert mod name here> for Indian carrier, yes. They have order for some MiG-35 to RuAF and they recently finished contract for Mig-29K for Kuznetsov. That along with Syrian and other "maintenance" money should keep them alive.
Sadly that Skat project is dead. MiG could jump on UAVs train and not suffer that much from Suchoi dominance, but they missed that opportunity.
>>30151550
Not exactly true. Russian managed to develop only one or two completely "Russian" (no soviet) engines and they are pretty decent. Their military engines are soviet-design and have TVC capabilities - that shit eat a lot of resource. They want to do some sci-fi stuff in their next-gen engine for PAK-FA, so it's resource can be pretty low too. All because of very high requirements from military.
>>30151681
>Not exactly true. Russian managed to develop only one or two completely "Russian" (no soviet) engines and they are pretty decent. Their military engines are soviet-design and have TVC capabilities - that shit eat a lot of resource. They want to do some sci-fi stuff in their next-gen engine for PAK-FA, so it's resource can be pretty low too. All because of very high requirements from military.
Oh, so their industry has improved since Soviet times in that regard?
>>30151550
>they could never get the metallurgy to match that made in Western nations
I don't think so. The metallurgical industry is like 5% of their entire GDP, and a lot of notable achievements in metallurgy have come from Russia. Russia adopted full-flow staged combustion rocket engines decades before the West did because the West couldn't figure out what kind of Slavic space magic they were using to make their turbopumps endure the high-temperature oxidative conditions of the preburner exhaust. I know their military turbofan engines have shit TBO, but I strongly doubt the metallurgy is the reason.
>>30134089
I replace all cockpit seats with squatting platforms so that my Russian pilots can operate their aircraft from a position that feels more natural to them.
>>30151736
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumansky_R-15#Specifications_.28R-15B-300.29
>The R-15-300 was designed at OKB-300 design bureau led by Sergei Tumansky in the late 1950s. The engine was originally designed to be used in the Tupolev Tu-121 high-altitude high-speed cruise missile. Due to lacking Soviet resources and funding the engine casing was mainly steel, and in areas exposed to high levels of heat, 30 micrometre silver-plated steel. At the time, the USSR did not have the resources to exploit metals such as titanium, or other composite alloys, which could have greatly reduced the engine's weight.
I see what you mean. A matter of money rather than technology.
>>30151692
>Oh, so their industry has improved since Soviet times in that regard?
https://youtu.be/x-5_Avqvt74?t=79
They see this as matter of strategic importance. What will be done in some private company in West here receives a lot of government attention and funds. Because R&D is expensive and small order will not cover all expenses, they need government support. Now with that engine they're like OMG WE ACTUALLY DID IT.
>>30144444
>>30151881
MC-21 is still coming with a version with American P&W engines. Similar to their new Kamov helicopters.
Not exactly a vote of confidence.
>>30151617
Don't trust anything you see on wiki, LMFS is neither new, nor rumoured. It's a long dead project to develop the lo component for PAK FA that never left the drawing board. If you read the actual sources there are statements from MiG officials that this is not being developed in any form. The so-called MiG-41 on the other hand is a relatively fresh piece of news.
>>30151958
>The so-called MiG-41 on the other hand is a relatively fresh piece of news
Probably just another MiG-31 upgrade with modern avionics.
Russia can't afford modern exotic weapons right now. They are already spending their limited funds to completely revamp their ground mech forces, nuclear ICBMs/SLBMs, and Nuclear Submarines.
>>30151681
>Sadly that Skat project is dead
Wasn't the project resumed and transferred to Sukhoi like a couple of years ago or so? It's strange that Tupolev bureau didn't jump in knowing their experience with UAVs.
>>30149712
That's okay. I heard Americans get the rest of the plane and all the responsibility to make it work. Kek.
>>30152250
>>30152083
>It's strange that Tupolev bureau didn't jump in knowing their experience with UAVs.
Tupolev was destroyed by privatization. Government tries to reanimate its corpse now.
>>30143430
apparently americans are still living in permanent 1998 when russian air force had no money to buy fuel and usaf didn't have to cannibalize boneyards to get few flying hours per week.
>>30134089
1.) Moar Su-35s.
2.) Moar Su-34s.
3.) Moar Su-33s.
4.) Export most Su-30s.
5.) Make seperate Air Corps for the Army, fill with Mi-17s, Mi-35s, Mi-28s, Su-30s and Su-27s.
6.) Sell Tu-95s to nignogs and mudslimes.
7.) Moar Tu-160s.
8.) Modernize Tu-23s and moar.
9.) Make maintenance a priority.
10.) Start developing stealth bombers.
11.) Bring back most glorious of aviation companies to its glory-Ilyushin.
12.) Moar transport aircraft and air-refuelers.
13.) Drones.
Чтo тy bliat' пpoиcхoдит?
Outlanders can't in my airforce
>>30153065
>5.) Make seperate Air Corps for the Army, fill with Mi-17s, Mi-35s, Mi-28s, Su-30s and Su-27s.
>>30139814
Why is prostitution and porn acting so ubiquitous in slav lands?
>>30134089
>You're now completely in charge of the Russian Air Force.
>What do you change ?
sell cerosine to finance coke and hookers.
>>30134170
>Fly all the Tu-95's into Mecca
1. Tu-95 is a great bomber
2. stop being edgy pal
>>30134330
no you wont
>2015
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/11/report-israel-strikes-target-in-syria/415446/
>2013
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2013_Rif_Dimashq_airstrike
You wont hear about that in the western media. Actually im not sure if the vatniks reported about it either.
