>tfw .357 Sig master-race
>>30120051
>no better than 9mm
>>30120119
Except that it shoots faster and with more energy.
>>30120145
With less capacity
>>30120119
I'd much rather carry a .357 SIG if I were around cars or in areas with mountain lions or bears. A 10mm would be better, of course, but as far as full size Glocks go, the 10mm run is a bit too fat for my liking.
>>30120160
Barely. It's not the huge retarded difference between 9mm and .45 at any rate.
>>30120145
If I was 6'10 and weighed 300 pounds of nothing but pure muscle, and had the kind of hulk hands that could easily control a pistol chambered in .357 sig for split second follow up shots, I'd agree with you that it's breddy gud.
However that's not the case, and while I'm not a weak guy by any measure, that shit's ridiculous. It's got the most recoil for any semiautomatic pistol caliber with none of the ballistic benefits, so why the fuck would I consider it? I can grab a 9mm and pop three shots off in the 9 ring in the same time it takes me to get my sights back on target with .357 sig, so its a fucking no brainer.
And yes, I have a .357 sig barrel for my P229, and I've shot quite a bit of ammo through it, so I'm not talking out of my ass.
>PISTOL CALIBERS WILL NEVER HAVE THE BALLISTICS TO MAKE A SERIOUS DIFFERENCE FROM ONE ANOTHER
>>30120119
I'd take more velocity and energy dispersed per hit despite similar wounding profiles and barely having any change in capacity. Just find a way to make this cheap and available like 9mm and .45 Auto
>>30120192
I kinda wish .357 sig carbines were a thing.
>>30120051
>anything not 45acp
>master race
Lmao no
>>30120192
357 sig is more controllable for me than 40 S&W is. I have a 40 and a 357 barrel for my P226 elite, and I find the 357 vastly more enjoyable to shoot, 40 is a chore.
>>30120206
Damn straight. If it drove down ammo prices then hell yes, I'd take a carbine in it any day. Id be very interested in seeing the ballistic differences with it coming out of a 16 inch barrel. Once upon a time I owned a Beretta Cx4, and that thing was fun as fuck to shoot .40 out of.
>>30120192
I'm in good shape and I fell for the .357 sig and bought one. The recoil is so damn sharp that you're seriously better off carrying a .45.
I ended up dumping it and picking up another 9mm (Storm Compact).
>>30120179
>It's not the huge retarded difference between 9mm and .45 at any rate.
Which is usually what, 2 or 3 rounds?
>>30120051
357 sig really is a great round and should be the next huge thing but it's too expensive and as such isn't gaining market share. Instead it's losing market share and getting seemingly even more expensive. Too bad; so sad.
>>30120250
>Stupid amounts of recoil
>overpenetrates like crazy unless using hollow points or frangible
>Boutique caliber that has like a grand total of three guns that can fire it
>wide diameter, so less magazine capacity
>Should be the next best thing
No
How is .357 Sig? One day I want to try out a .357 P229
>>30120244
sometimes as many as 10
>>30120286
>>Stupid amounts of recoil
Same as 40 just louder. I don't think you've ever shot it.
>>overpenetrates like crazy unless using hollow points or frangible
Yeah no shit Sherlock. "Unless using hollow points" jesus christ do you even hear yourself. You just said it's penetration is fine with defensive ammo but it also has the ability to get great penetration with hard cast.
>>Boutique caliber that has like a grand total of three guns that can fire it
That's basically what I was saying with the market share thing, can you read?
>>wide diameter, so less magazine capacity
Same as .40. It's funny the same fags that like to point out how caliber doesn't matter statistically, which it doesn't, are the same ones arguing that caliber matters because of capacity.
>>Should be the next best thing
Agreed, it should have been.
>>30120301
If you want 9mm +P+ performance in practice ammo, it's fantastic. If you don't like a lot of blast and concussion, you'll be annoyed by it.
>>30120286
Thats why you buy a G20 and a .357 sig barrel and spring
>>30120250
>Nearly all agencies using it in SIGs and Glocks love it
>One agency (NC Troopers IIRC) had issues because they fell for the "The S&W M&P isn't shit" meme
People forget that there are quite a few SP/Highway Trooper agencies using the .357 SIG as well as USSS and SENPAI. It's hardly dying, the fun has just begun. As more state police agencies look to replace their .40 guns, I believe many of them will either buy new .40s or get into the .357 SIG.
>>30120371
>SENPAI
Fuck you chink m00t and your fucking filter. Federal Air Marshal Service use .357 SIG.
There is a significant increase in recoil and blast even with a heavier recoil spring.
Source: I have a conversion barrel for my glock 22
>>30120244
Usually much more than that.
>>30120395
You've never fired lighter weight 40S&W have you? Try some 155gr winchester ranger sometime and tell me that any 357 sig loading is more annoying.
>>30120196
you mean .45acp no funs.
>>30120307
My Glock 21 has way more capacity than my Glock 43.
>>30120379
lol
Our forest rangers were carrying G31's for a while, not sure if they still do
>>30120324
>caliber matters because of capacity
Because it does. Moderately higher energy doesn't matter all that much, the biggest factor is mag capacity and ease of shooting.
http://concealednation.org/2014/10/fbi-decides-on-9mm-as-their-1-choice-and-have-tons-of-science-behind-their-decision/
>>30120051
That feel when you still shoot a secondary weapon.
>>30120192
>PISTOL CALIBERS WILL NEVER HAVE THE BALLISTICS TO MAKE A SERIOUS DIFFERENCE FROM ONE ANOTHER
Insert 7.62x25 tok here.
>>30120192
Use .50 African Eliminator or 500 S&W if you want seriously improved ballistics then.
>>30121167
290-500 ftlb of energy cartridge.
In other words, it gets weaker than the weakest 9mm, but only just as strong as a 9mm +P+.
>>30120371
>>30120379
I... I was about to ask what department SENPAI is under.
>>30121292
And yet 9mm, 357 squid and 40sw dont have armor piercing potential. Russia made steel core tok ammo. It punches thru armor. The actual designation for 7.62 tok is: for use against infantry and light armor
>>30121318
Put a steel core in 357 sig and it'll punch through armor just as easily... It's simple mathematics. Five seven goes through armor without special bullets too, but I don't think anyone finds its performance impressive.
>>30121331
>Five seven goes through armor without special bullets too
Nope.
>>30121331
And yet nobody has manufactured it. You can hypothetical all you want. Its just not as good as the real deal
>>30121256
This.
Don't be a pussy. Get stronger arms and better aim and carry a Desert Eagle or 500 S&W
>>30121337
Try it yourself.
Just because SS195 won't defeat IIIA doesn't mean it won't go through soft armor, it just won't go through IIIA. SS198 will go through IIIA and that is the same bullet as the SS195, just loaded warmer.
>>30121344
IIRC VBR Belgium offers steel core AP rounds for 9mm, .40, .357 SIG, and .45 in addition to their funky 7.92x24mm something or another.
>>30121331
>>30121359
>>30121344
>>30121379
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_3_DBeU_HI
7.62x25mm steel surplus will not defeat level IIIA, get out.
>>30121412
Seen it. Surplus doesnt. Russian manufacturer armor peircers do. You wont find youtube vids of it working because those who have it are smart enough to know that if the govt had proof then it would be insta-banned.
>>30121444
So where can you easily buy it, if your measure of it being viable is availability?
>>30120051
Good to see the exact same threads are still getting posted here constantly.
I've got 3,000 rounds of .357SIG sitting in plastic bags in a rubbermaid tub in my garage. Gave up on reloading and shooting it a while ago. Its starting to fade in agency usage as well.
>>30120145
Realistically you're looking at a comparable 9mm load +150-200fps. You can push it a lot harder, but manufacturers don't.
The real utility of the cartridge is in using longer and heavier bullets, but manufacturers of both bullets and barrels can't ever see eye to eye. The spec for .357SIG allows for a .356 bullet, and some gun manufacturers actually stick with .355-.3555 nominal barrels. Hk and a few others had truer .356 grooves so there were a number of .357 Mag oriented bullets you could successfully use in .357SIG brass. A lot of stuff in the 150-165gr range worked wonders. I always wanted to toy around with a high pressure 170gr subsonic load, but I had too many projects going at once, and the Deepcurls I had on hand weren't suitable.
Muzzle energy itself is a meaningless metric, If you want to fap over useless numbers then pick up a box of some shit tier 90gr +p+ 9mm.
>>30121318
Any cartridge is capable of defeating soft armor, it comes down to projectile design, not case capacity, size, or working pressure. There are plenty of odd ball AP loads out there in every cartridge under the sun.
>>30121337
55gr BT FMJ bullets have a thick enough jacket to resist deformation when striking kevlar at subsonic speeds. The factory subsonic AP load sold by FNH is literally just an M193 style bullet loaded to a muzzle velocity somewhere around 900-1000fps.
The exact bullet is a Sierra Gameking if I recall.
For the life of my I'll never understand how this board remains so laughably ignorant. Year after year you shitposters all regurgitate the same nonsense endlessly. Checking back in on this shithole is like peeking in at a game of UT populated only by bots.
I was impressed by the reports on its ballistics so I picked one up as my EDC. Worst case scenario it's just a big 9mm which is apparently good enough for most people. Best case scenario is that people fucking explode when they get hit by it. Either way I win since I only lost one round of ammo in exchange for a more reliable cartridge due to the necked design.
>his loading of choice is sub-sonic!
>>30121292
with proper controlled expansion bullets it has shitloads of energy dump. like, up there with 357 magnum levels.
>lel confirmed to talking out your ass
>>30120250
the price has dropped stupidly in the past 4 years though. Honestly, sandy vagina was the best thing to happen to this round. I have over 1500 rounds of the stuff I've been collecting for several years now and I know without a doubt that pmc has dropped $12/box since 2012
>>30122529
I just got back from cabelas and ppu has dropped again to $20/box. Let us not forget that cabelas isn't even exactly the cheapest place to find ammo.
