Why hasn't the US migrated to an AR-based machine gun platform?
Browning > stoner
>>30116054
/thread
Don't try to fix what's not broken.
>>30116054
if that were true we'd still be using dogshit like the BAR or the 1911
>>30116104
we are still using the 1911.
>>30116104
the BAR was inappropriate for changing doctrines as better metallurgy was developed and the fashion went to intermediate rounds.
there is still use for .30 and .50 cal semi-portable machineguns
and yes the 1911 is still used in many militaries
>>30116104
>Dogshit like the BAR
Nothing says fuck you like a man holding a 30caliber assault rifle.
>>30116054
How come John ""Moses"" Browning never developed the AR15 then?
Chequemate.
>>30116203
Perfection needs no reason faggot
>>30116040
>AR-based machine gun platform
Been there, done that.
Hint: It's shit.
>>30116104
You are using the great grand-son of the BAR, since Minimi and MAG have the BAR gas system and action flipped upside down and mated to the belt feed of the MG 42.
>>30116040
the ma deuce is the eternal machinegun
>>30116168
>1911
>many militaries
>>30116257
When was the last time new fiddy cal MGs rolled off a production line? Obviously they arent using the same ones which were around in WW1 and WW2 but how old worn/new and neat are the current ones?
>>30116282
the last ones were made in the late 1940s
at the end of WW2 the factories had made almost five hundred million M2s, so there was no need to ever make any more
>>30116281
here is another meaningless reaction face
>>30116298
What about when we go conquering planets and need to remove xenos?
>>30116298
>500,000,000 M2s
So that's 3-5 for every man, woman and child in the American populace then?
>>30116298
Really? Imagine having all those guns lined up in the desert or something.
Did the US try to sell a few of them or have they hoarded them in warehouses across America?
>>30116040
>why hasn't the US swapped out reliabilitah for "high tech mumbo jumbo"
>why doesn't that guy stop jacking off and start using the biggest dildo he can find to practice giving blowjobs
>>30116317
I know how we're solving the refugee crisis comerads
>>30116180
LMG, you nigger.
It fires a full caliber in full auto.
>>30116230
Not a belt fed
>>30116357
you are thinking of a battle rifle, which can have select fire. a LMG can fire intermediate or full cartridges but they are designed for sustained fire.
if that weren't the case, what would you call the m249, or any other machineguns that fires 5.56 (or 5.45 or 7.62x39)
>>30116298
>>30116322
By the end of the war about 2 million had been made.
>>30116368
>belt fed AR
Might as well design a new gun from the ground up.
AR-15 platform simply isn't designed to fulfill an LMG roll. You may as well convert volkswagen beetles into dumptrucks.
>>30116298
I did a quick search on wikipedia and it says only 3 mil were made.
And the Brownings they have on the UH.1Ys are new and different. The barrel of the M2s mounted on the Abrams and Bradley as well as some humvees today also looks different.
>>30116282
New ones roll of off the FN assembly line every day.
>>30116402
Current models have a quickchange barrel.
>>30116298
This is shitposting.
>>30116402
>only 3 million M2s
>only
>>30116391
I called it an LMG because it's retarded heavy. I thought of battle rifle for a second, but remembered most battle rifles aren't heavy enough to be something to hold onto in case of a tornado.
So, BAR is an old, fat battle rifle. Woo.
>>30116040
>Let's replace a belt fed crew served weapon in .50BMG
>With a magazine fed individual weapon
>In 5.56, 7.62 or something equally anemic by comparison.
>>30116430
>>30116104
>>30116203
>browning's guns were beefy pieces of machinery
>stoner's guns were small and lightweight
>why are we using browning machine guns instead of stoner designs
Gee, I wonder.
>>30116478
Wew lad.
>>30116495
>implying I'm wrong
>>30116424
>enough M2s to make them the standard issue weapon of the entire department of defense.
>all of a sudden, civilian M2s are a big thing
>quad rail M2
>lightweight M2 builds
>"full auto is useless in the real world. you'll just be shooting the ceiling."
>mall ninja M2s
>"my 12.7mm Russian gun is better than your plebian .50bmg shit"
>"designed to wound"
>"There was a school shooting today, carried out with the popular M2 assault weapon."
>shooter actually used two handguns
>he left the M2 in his car
>"WE NEED TO BAN THE M2."
>>30116502
Implying you didn't just reply to my facetious comment in sincerity.
Now get of Jonathan Brownshorts' peenie his wives need it more than you.
>>30116511
I want to live in this world.
>>30116298
>almost 500 million M2s
I can only imagine how fantastic our country would be if every household had an M2.
>>30116519
You're just jealous because a mormon gun nerd got more poon than you ever have.
>>30116430
it's quite a unique case. it sort of filled the role of a squad automatic rifle, which would later be filled by an LMG.
it's actual capabilities are akin to an automatic battle rifle like a G3, but it was far more heavy than that kind of rifle as you said.
it doesn't really fit in any single modern classification based on its qualities, intended use, or actual use.
>>30116540
Woah there m6 did you just call Johnny Brownnote a nerd? Better sleep with one eye open cunt.
>>30116040
The AR15 would make a terrible GPMG or HMG. The primary problem would be airflow. The action is tightly sealed and fires from a closed bolt. Open bolt AR's exist but the action still only has one hole for air to ingress. The action also doesn't lend itself to belt feed either.
>>30116424
Its not a lot compared to the 500 mil figure that the other anon gave me.
>>30116257
ma deuce is love, ma deuce is life
>>30116533
SUV's and trucks would come with pintles/ turret rings standard
>>30116298
>>30116307
>>30116317
>>30116322
>>30116397
>>30116402
Production never ended. It's easily THE most prolific HMG in history and if you include the little brother it's up there with the Vickers for the most produced beltfed ever made title. I'd be surprised if it wasn't number one desu senpai.
>>30116533
>guy breaks into a house a mile up the road
>wake up to TATATATATATATATATATATATATA
>drive over to neighborbro's house
>have your hand on your holstered M2, ready to draw
>see the holes in the side of the house
>"YOU GOOD, MAN?"
>a muffle voice from inside comes through the holes in the wall
>"Yeh, I think I got 'im. Guy sure seen better days eh."
>"Just checkin, bud. I heard some shit poppin off and figured I'd come make sure you're okay. Got the wife back at the house with her little 240B just in case the guy got away and decided to stop by there."
>"Eh, she should be alright. I got this guy pretty good. Frickin methheads these days, I tell ya. Almost as bad as back in Ontario, man."
>>30116104
You have shit taste. Get the fuck off my board.
>>30116543
>>30116430
browning was trying to develop a new type of automatic with his bar, but was off the mark in several keep point. He was pretty close in developing the first AR but the result was too heavy.
the BAR was basically too "light" for suppressive fire but still too "heavy" for the common infantry.
>>30116040
Closed bolt machine guns suck.
>>30116726
>have your hand on your holstered M2, ready to draw
you would need to be pretty insane to break into a neighborhood where the resident are strong enough to holster their m2 around.
>>30118228
Trump will legalize machine guns and genetic engineering.
they should replace M2s with M3s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2SIbXksH_U
I think they should re chamber it in 20mm and make it an auto cannon.
>>30118313
>Dead whale floats to the furface
>>30116180
>>30116357
automatic rifle*
>>30116307
>Be inna Eagles head nebula
>Chilling in bunk, watching latest Stevayy Spielxeno holofilm
>It's shit
>Alarm starts going off
>Fucking space pirates are attacking
>Put on my suit in a mad dash and run for the air tight hatch
>Anticipation is high as I connect my air tube and wait for the surrounding air to drain
>Hatch finally opens
>Climb up and strap myself into the gunner seat
>Look over the old M2, dated from 1941
>Say a quick prayer to God Emperor Trump and charge the weapon
>Scanning the cosmos for any movement
>Small fighting ships start swarming
>Not today fuckers
>Take aim at nearst ship
>CHUGACHUGACHUGACHUGA
>Ship is torn to shit, blows up mid flight
>Another ship of the left
>CHUGACHUGACHUGA
>Punch a hole in the cockpit
>Strange octopus shaped creature get sucked out and thrown at the ships haul just in front of me
>Thing quickly latches onto whatever it can find
>About ten of it's eyes look at me in horror, managing to just barely make out the aviators and cigar under the helmets visor
>Shoulda never come here xenofag
>CHUGACHUGACHUGACHUGA
>>30116282
We just got some new m2, our battalion just received the new m2 that doesn't require heads pace amd timing.
>>30118967
weren't those just m2 rebuilt to m2a1 standard?
>>30118967
I'm sorry, those things are terrible. They jam constantly until they get broken in and the "breaking in" involves just battering parts together until everything fits together reasonably.
>>30116298
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/ma-deuce-still-going-strong-03539/
Maybe spend some time on google...
>>30116040
The marines tried.
M27 ifantry automatic rifle based on the M4 but piston instead of direct impingement.
It would have had drum mags and been a 900 rpm 1 MOA select fire gun that could be a marksman'rifle or squad automatic weapon on demand.
The former commandant general amos (us grunts called him heinious anus cuz he was a fuckin pog bitch who bowed and scraped to obama) declared that a SAW cant be a SAW without linked belts of ammo, so we recieved a few thousand of em with standard 30 round mags and they ended up never replacing our aging and worn out M249 SAWs.
I was issued one in afghan. It was literally the best weapon the military ever gave me. Fuck general amos. I met the man when he was still commandant when he visited Afghan. My impression was that he was a buruecrat and a toadie.
When general dunford suceeded him grunts rejoiced, dunford was a dyed in the wool fighting man, but he was "promoted" to chief of staff to get him out of the way and replaced with another talking face who would say yes to whatever obama wanted.
The M27 should have been issued with the drum mags, our M249's are wore out and broken, and the IAR was the best gun I have ever been issued, but politics killed it.
>>30118297
He's gonna make anime real!
>>30120372
you need to oil them better. they dont need break in, they certainly don't need battering. The M2 is a whore for oil, and if you don't soak it when you get a new one, you can't expect it ti work. kinda like how you don't work without blood
>>30116040
High volumes of fire would probably blow out the gas tube. Also, it would be really hard to use a quick swap barrel with said gas tube.
Was there ever an effort to modernize the .30 cal mg or just make it lighter?
Like an AL body and shroud?
>>30121398
Marines currently issue the m27 at a squad level. It is replacing the m249.
Source: active duty 0351
>>30118609
that reminds me, anyone have the picture of future b-52(i think)?
Guess I'm going to be that guy tell you that the army did with the stoner 63
Unfortunately it wasn't wide spread because Americans are stupid when it comes to proper firearm maintenance from dumb ass officers getting their rocks off with white glove weapon cleanings and cuck ass ncos who are to pussy to have a disagreement with a co, so only the top dog tier 1 of devgru operators got to use these fine instruments of death
Not technically a ar type system but same guy so close enough for me
>>30122473
Nope, it was out right replaced by the M60 and M73
>>30116282
>Obviously they arent using the same ones which were around in WW1 and WW2
Nigga read this
https://www.army.mil/article/150794/Making_the_old_like_new/
>>30116040
Well there is a chance that AR platform is totally unsuited for that role.
And believe me they've tried to replace M2 ever since the end of WW2, no MG performed better.
>>30123104
Turns out being super heavy, closed bolt, and being adaptable to all kinds of different mounting methods makes for a really good HMG.
>>30116180
>30 caliber assault rifle
You mean like your average AK?
>>30116307
>>30122491
>0351
I'm sorry
>>30120372
We thrown the oil on it and haven't had no problems, except for firing blanks, that's a whole other story.
