Why didn't the 10mm catch on? It's the perfect balance between 9mm and 45acp. 10mm handguns have plenty of room for a large magazine and 10mm packs a punch. (Not to mention the sweet BOOM sound it makes when firing)
Why did the 10mm fail,/k/?
>>30097819
women and fags
next
>>30097833
how come does my peep tingle when i lick a battery
>>30097819
Honestly with the muzzle energy and retention it is closer to a balance between 9mm and 357 mag, I just put a RMR on my new Glock 40 MOS, speaking of I am looking for some kind of lens protector or cover for my dual illumination RMR, I tried the killflash they sell but it is too hard to make out what you are aiming at indoors for me with that, not enough light gets through.
>>30097819
It's expensive and it's power is unnecessary against humans most of the time
If the FBI weren't such faggots the 10mm would be much more popular and we wouldn't have to deal with the abortion that is .40S&W
>>30097879
Do the FBI hate this round for some reason?
>>30097895
they have baby arms and couldnt handle the recoil
It's a big gun.
>>30097895
No, they were going to adopt it, which would have made it popular.
>>30097895
It hurt their baby bureaucratic wrists
>>30097819
>It's the perfect balance between 9mm and 45acp.
9mm on left, .45acp on right, 10mm in center. Yeah that's some perfect balance.
>castanza.jpg
>>30097922
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>>30097937
Don't some agents still carry 45acp? How can 10mm have more recoil?
>>30097819
General pussification of the population.
>>30098011
>How can 10mm have more recoil?
>>30098008
Lol wut?
An accidental discharge with one on a fishing boat in the Gulf caused Katrina.
>>30098008
That looks like .454 Casull
>>30097879
>the abortion that is .40S&W
nigga the fuk u talkin bout
>>30097819
>Why did the 10mm fail,/k/?
10mm Auto is clearly the best all-around handgun cartridge but as another anon mentioned up-thread, women and fags can’t handle the recoil of original full-power loads, so the .40 S&W was developed, as it fit 9mm frame pistols and had the same bullet weight and velocity of down-loaded 10mm Auto loads, which most factory loads are because, again, women and fags.
>>30098653
.40S&W is a shitty, abortion of a cartridge
Power is unneccesary most of the time. Unless you plan on facing off a bear a 9mm is a safer bet
No one got an argument saying how the 10mm manages to have a higher PSI rating than both the .45 and 9mm? That guns chambered in them have a shorter lifespan than other guns chambered in other calibres? I love the 10mm but it seems as if to get the best out of it you need to shell out the money for a beast gun. Or else your gun will die after less than 1k rounds if using too much hot loads.
>>30098744
>.40 is supersonic unlike .45
>cheaper than 10mm
>packs more punch than 9mm
>It doesn't sacrifice velocity to hit hard
>extremely common
You can't even make a real argument other than say it's an abortion.
>>30098978
It's an abortion
>>30098978
they dont call it 40 short and wimpy for no reason
>10mm STRONK
>>30098978
>Go on armslist
>Seriously
40 s&w for sale and trade everywhere
>Especially for 9mm & 45acp guns
Nobody trading 9mm or 45acp for 40s&w anywhere
>>30098978
>much snappier recoil than 9x19 but has still only has comparable performance in ballistics gel
>>30097819
The FBI traditionally preferred .357 Magnum revolvers for.field agents, but followed the trend of U.S. law enforcement and began transitioning to.double stack 9mm handguns.
In the wake of the 1986 Miami shootout, the FBI decided to transition to a more powerful handgun caliber. Traditionalists preferred a replacement for the venerable .357 Magnum, which in the hands of agents like Jelly Bryce was a proven performer. (This likely had as much to do with Agent Bryce's lethality as a gunman as the cartridge itself)
10mm fit the bill, with the ability to.be used in a large frame double stacked handgun and ballistic performance nearly identical to .357 Magnum, it seemed a perfect fit.
Except that the new crop.of agents who had not been brought up on .357 Magnum couldn't handle the recoil of the round. At first a download 10mm was tried, but ultimately a compromise cartridge, .40S&W was adopted instead leaving 10mm an orphaned cartridge under adopted by law enforcement.
>>30098906
I've never seen a comprehensive list of what pistols are good for a steady diet of full power 10mm and it doesn't seem like people here know
>>30099032
lol it's shit like this that makes me question if half the people on /k/ have ever even handled a firearm of any kind. prove you aren't a europoor.
>>30099111
You're an abortion
>>30098008
Where'd you get 10mm Magnum? I think. It saw the light of day for a few minutes in the Automag IV.
>>30097859
Try a car battery next time
>>30099120
>>30099032
>>30098744
With autism this strong I think your kind should head on over to
>>>/b/
We have enough retards here as it is.
>>30099093
My buddy has a Glock 20 and a 29, he feeds them the hottest hand loads he can regularly. There's no telling how many rounds we've tortured them with, well over 6-7k rounds.
>>30097819
It was (much like the .40 S&W) unnecessary.
.45 ACP has it covered.
>>30098978
Complete abortion.
>>30098978
It's an abortion
>>30097879
>abortion that is .40 s&w
Your dad had a negligent discharge
>>30099302
>>30099307
>samefagging this hard
back to /mlp/ with you
>>30099205
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>>30099357
This .40fag butthurt pleases me
>>30097819
>Why did the 10mm fail,/k/
Because 9mm is well established. Want "stopping powa"? Use a fucking ar15 fuckboy
>>30099417
>5.56
>Stopping power
>>30099401
Not them but give it up. It's obviously you shitposting over and over. Any remotely intelligent person would agree that there's nothing REALLY wrong with .40 cal. It'll drop kebabs just as well as .45 and your no-reason bullshit won't change that.
>>30099476
I'm not the only one shitposting, but it is mostly me
>>30099443
>being this noguns
>>30099567
>Burn time designed for 20" barrel
>Most 5.56 rifles are 16"
>Low fragmentation velocity margin
>Icepicking
>Ineffective past 600yd
>>30098906
Your mom died after too many hot loads.
>>30097819
10mm isnt a balance between 45 and 9mm when loaded to it's full ptential it is arguably the most powerful useful autoloader cartridge
>>30099068
>the majority of people in the world are intelligent and right about most things
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>30099639
youve never made a 300 yard shot you nog
>>30099074
You have: 1) never shot an HK USP 40, and 2) no concept of what ballistic gelcan and can not simulate.
>>30099086
And now that a larger number of officers are female and/or gay, they have downgraded further to 9mm pussy cartridges.
>>30099642
I smiled
Here's your (You)
>>30099752
He's right though, how does literally fractions of a centimeter make up for slower follow up shots and less capacity?
>>30099639
5.56 is fantastic within cqb range though.
Even for military use.
>>30099639
Use a different powder
>>30099775
>fractions of a centimeter
Orientate me to your thought process. How did you arrive at the conclusion that the only difference between 9mm Luger and .40 S&W is the diameter. What references did you look up and how lojg did you spend researching the topic before deciding that you were an expert about it?
>>30099797
There is no proof temporary stretch cavities out of intermediate handgun calibers cause any damage.
What we do know is that permanent cavities in flesh cause effective wounds.
The difference in permanent cavity volume between modern 9mm and .40 caliber hollow points is negligible.
>shot placement
>penetration.
>>30099824
I have no idea what you think you're proving with all this jabbering about wound cavity size when you know it has no bearing on the topic. Heavier bullets excel at one thing, barrier penetration. That's kind of important if you want the bullet to retain any velocity after crushing bones. For example, after breaking the rib cage or hitting the spine, you want the bullet to have enough velocity to tear apart the heart or break the CNS.
inb4
>what is momentum, i don't understand
Google it, motherfucker. I spent hours explaining it in the thread yesterday but there's always the one fag who pretends to not understand just to be a dick.
>>30099864
Velocity and sectional density has more a part to play in penetration than sheer bullet weight.
There's a reason why rounds such as .45 penetrate so poorly.
and fyi 147gr 9mm has higher sectional density and velocity than 180 gr .40 s&w
As far as momentum, why would I need the round to retain energy -after- it's left an attacker's body?
1. Dornhaus&Dixon failed to get the Bren Ten to market. Miami Vice could have been to 10 mm what Dirty Harry was to .44 mag: countless people were willing to buy it just because it's cool.
2. FBI switched to .40 S&W rather than demanding smaller, lighter guns suitable for weak loaded 10 mm. every .40 sold could have been a lesser 10 mm, which would still benefit proper 10 mm because of scale effects.
for how badly it started, 10 mm isn't doing half bad.
>>30099111
>>30099205
>>30099357
>>30099476
They're pulling your chain and you're STILL taking the bait. Go sit down, take a breather, and come back in ten minutes.
>>30098978
>>cheaper than 10mm
only because it is literally a neutered 10mm and is more popular. If the FBI had adopted 10mm it would be more common and thus cheaper.
>>30097895
after the Miami bank robbery the Feebs realized they needed a bigger round, so they had S&W design a pistol in 10mm. They started to issue it, but females couldn't handle it, so thye asked for a compromise and we got the S&W .40
>>30098906
True, but the pistols are usually beefier, I haven't seen anyone complaining about their G20 glocknading or their 10mm 1911 detonating.
>>30097819
Just reload your own and 10mm becomes affordable and always in stock
>>30101510
Maybe if they didn't go and engage a man with a semi auto rifle with nothing but handguns and maybe one shotgun, they wouldn't have been that buttblasted into trying to uparm a handgun to outperform a rifle?
Anyone else excited for the new slav 10mm that's coming to the American market?
>>30099639
The military solved this with M855A1 designed for carbines with 14.5" barrels, and the effects are even more pronounced out of the 20" A4s and SAWs.
>>30099768
She looks like shit tbqh, not even trying to be edgy.
>>30104035
It's "been coming" since January '15.
I wouldn't hold my breath on it ever being imported.
Most of this thread
>>30104154
I just saw it in the latest issue of RECOIL, this saddens me.
True facts. Lots of shopping on that one, she barely looks human anymore.
>>30097819
>between 9mm and 45acp
Nigga it's more powerful at 100 yards than a 45acp is at muzzle.
Source: http://www.bren-ten.com/website/id7.html
>>30104616
Jesus, those are some low numbers compared to todays loads.
A 155g Underwood at 1500fps delivers 1050j and 774ft lbs of energy.
>The bottom 3 10mm listed are Underwood loadings.
>>30104733
The fact that 9mm is nipping at the heels to 45ACP is telling. Impressive what years of research can do.
>>30098081
It's a joke spergy.
>10mm
HOT
AND
STEAMY
So what's a good list of 10mm pistols out now?
>>30104362
Well at least we know they GP series is pretty decent. They've been out for a long time, so there's that
>>30097819
>why people don't use 40
Too much recoil, too little capacity, not enough extra energy to justify it
>why people don't use 10mm
Even more recoil, same capacity, still not enough energy to justify it
>>30097819
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nngBdzmH6VI
>>30099443
>Stopping power
Go back to CoD
Daily reminder that the FBI already did extensive ballistic testing on all the popular handgun calibers and concluded there is no appreciable difference between them and these arguments are silly.
>>30104895
Just get the glock 20/29/40
>>30104895
Dan wesson
Glock 20 or 40
EAA steel 10mm
>>30104061
Now they just got to figure out how to strengthen the bolt and barrel
>>30104895
Glock 20, 29, 40 and Sig P220. Any thing else is probably shit.
I really wish the Bren Ten was still a thing. Recently watched Ian's video on it and was like 'damn' the whole way through.
making 10mm threads are like casting a summon autism spell
Put about 6 or 700 rounds through it in last month or so since I bought it ($517 cash)
Sig 180gr 1250fps ammo is the best deal I've found for full power loads, 200 for $95. Try and buy a box a week, really should just start reloading.
Took about 4 hours to stipple and dremel the trigger guard, moon cuts, backstrap, and under slide but it was my first time. Probably to it in 2.5-3h.
>>30105455
Use it for the brass.
The sig stuff is decent.
Why did you go with the compact light?
>>30097819
Basically the population has been turning into a bunch of flaccid fatasses with no upper body strength, that's why.
>>30105186
If there's no appreciable difference than why did the FBI not stick with 9mm?
>>30099086
Bryce was easily one of the best gunmen in history. Time did a piece on him in which he flipped a silver dollar and then drew and fired six shots at a target before the coin passed his waist. All six shot could be covered by the coin. If you decided to choose your service weapon based on what he could clear a room with, the feds would all be carrying air-soft.
>>30104895
The illumanti's weapon of choice, the delta 10mm 1911
>>30105489
What do you do when your red dot stops working? Through it at your attacker?
>>30105803
Avoid the costs of changing a caliber, already widely available and cheap caliber, capacity.
Cuz' the .40 came along and made people happy.
Its literally the perfect round
>>30106293
Thats not a CC gun.
Not yet anyway.
If I was serious about it, id have a T1 mounted to it, and a lower 1/3 co irons.
>>30104798
>Impressive what years of research can do.
I think that's just a meme. The two have probably always been similar enough to not matter, but we like to pretend that our opinions change in response to some new data so as to save face and pretend that we were right all along.
>>30106293
Point shoot, use the beam as laser pointer, use the sight body as a ghost ring.
You know, any of that stuff that would work because he probably isn't engaging targets at 200 yards when he forgets to replace the battery. You would think improvising would be a pretty important part of defending yourself but I guess not
>>30105205
Not the EAA steel, they were the ones with cracking frame problems and possibly slides. The custom shop ones like Elite Match, Hunter, and the Stock lines are the good ones.
>>30099768
>>30104123
Why do models in gun photos always look like trash? They're just so ugly faced compared to any other promotional whoring.
