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Ben Hurion Edition
> What's this thread about?
As usual this thread is for the discussion and pics of tracked and wheeled AFVs of all kinds from MBTs to supertanks to self propelled AA guns. Please keep it civil and cite sources for statistics.
It was during the War of Attrition in 1969 against Egypt, Jordan and Syria that the IDF recognised its lack of parity the new T-62. Engagements after 1948 had decisively highlighted the importance of closing this gap. In 1970, after much haranguing of the Defense Minister Moshe Dayan by the Finance Minister, approval was belatedly given for an indigenous tank programme to be spearheaded by the formidable Major General Yisrael “Talik” Tal. With only a $100 million USD R&D and production, Tal was given three specific directives; to ensure a quality modern MBT, ensure arms embargoes would not impact Israeli armour supplies and be developed to Israeli standards and needs. In 1971, active development commenced on the “Merkava” with a skeleton crew of handpicked personnel, with the overarching concern of crew protection and quality in practice, as opposed to a cheaper, but less capable retrofit of older vehicles. The mass devastation of the tank corps in the 1973 war more or less demanded that the precious few Merkavas that could be produced were superlative compared to its Soviet counterparts. The Merkava that resulted was notable for its generously dimensioned interior and a resilient disposition, with good mobility over rugged terrain. Protection was excellent, spaced armour, the dispersal of interior systems, storage of ammunition under the turret ring with isolated inflammables and its angularly slim silhouette culminating in a supremely sturdy tank. Its unveiling in 1979 would be a prelude to a fine legacy of Israeli tank design to the present day.
> Gun
Rifled 105 mm M68
> Dimensions (l w h)
8.3 x 3.7 x 2.65 m
> Weight
63 tonnes
> Engine
900hp diesel
> Speed
50 km/h
>>30090162
OP: As always, feedback, suggestions wanted and appreciated.
While the humble Merkava Mark I might not be as impressive today, especially in comparison to its younger peers, military attaches and observers on both sides of the wall were taken aback at the unveiling in 1979. In particular, a parade demonstration of an infantry dismount from the Merkava’s rear hatch was an acute surprise to many. Of course, utilising the Merkava in this fashion would have necessitated the removal of much extra ammunition, but it was impressive nonetheless. The shape of the Merkava was also intriguing for many, incorporating a multi-angle combination of welded and cast armour with spaced compartments. Although powered by a Continental AVDS-1790-6A V-12 diesel coupled to an Allison CD-850-6BX, it was never truly astounding in speed, but it did well enough in pushing its hulking mass up the steep hills of the Golan Heights. It would be in Operation Peace for Galilee in 1982, the striking Lebanon campaign, that the Merkava would receive its baptism of fire, engaging entrenched Syrian regular formations in the shadow of the Bekaa Valley. The Merkava, quite simply, cleaved through T-72s, T-62s and T-55s with alarming ease, while handheld anti-tank weapons such as the Sagger and RPG-7, which had previously been the bane of the IDF in 1973, proved to be of limited effectiveness against the substantial armour of the Merkava. Only 250 Merkava Is were built, but they had certainly left their mark.
Addendum: Whoever asked for my WWI booklist, I’ll most definitely post it in the thread today.
>>30090166
More tank news, as per the new format.
If you have more queries regarding a news story, just point it out, and I’ll further elaborate and provide links.
Finnish state-owned enterprise Patria, of AMV fame, has announced that it intends to privatise a portion of its business by selling it to Norway’s Kongsberg. The deal is estimated to be worth some $316 million USD and involve 49.9 percent of Patria Oyj.
Finland has additionally announced intentions to purchase a new 155 mm self-propelled howitzer (SPH) in the near future according to the Director of Artillery at Finnish Army Command. The country is looking for an off-the-shelf solution with either tracks or wheels, with finalisation expected by 2018.
General Dynamics Land Systems Canada has introduced a new variant of its LAV family of AFVs, at CANSEC in Ottawa. The LAV Combat Support Vehicle is based off the LAV 6.0 with an added degree of modularity, intended to fit a more mission flexible role.
Ukraine’s Malyshev Plant is marketing its 1500hp diesel powerpack as a potential export upgrade for MBTs, either as a retrofit or in the production phase. Said engine is a compact diesel powerpack that comprises the liquid-cooled 6TD-series six-cylinder, two-stroke multifuel supercharged engine, and air filtration with an efficiency rating of up to 99.8%, which is critical for operating in desert conditions.
And that’s all for now.
>>30090175
due Yugoslavian tanks next man!! These threads are great!
T-72B3 TC main gun control panel
>>30090346
T-72B3 TC thermal channel monitor
Anyone watched this? A guy posted in on /tg/ a while back and it was pretty interesting.
Especially fond of talk about production 26 minutes in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6xLMUifbxQ
Some Merk 1 Lebanon action.
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>>30090175
Patria deal is interesting as it makea Finnish-Norwegian military industry even more connected. Kongsberg is state owned company just like Patria is. Then in addition Nammo is 2/3 owned by Norway and 1/3 owned by Finns. I see this as good thing.
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>>30090489
Thanks Mr. Ogorkiewicz
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>>30090489
I can't help but dig the kikewagons.
Even their converted imports are just great.
![wLXzR2y[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Dtjmz02.jpg "wLXzR2y[1].jpg")
>Merkava
>Armor
pick one. Mk1-3 all use the same steel hull with circa 40mm upper glacis and a rather thin lower glacis (maybe 70mm or so).
Most of the protection actually comes from the fact the engine is mounted in the front, not the actual armor thickness.
Pic related is a Mk1, and you can clearly see the upper glacis thickness. Also note the flat turret front on the unfinushed turret. This is covered by circa 20mm spaced armor when finished.
![QZrK0KE[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8DAQ1Q0.jpg "QZrK0KE[1].jpg")
>>30090554
shit wrong picture. At least it shows the spaced armor at the turret front.
>>30090166
Sorry for nitpicking, but that pic is actually of a Mk.2. Good thread as always.
>>30090560
Ah, drat. There's a lot more differentiation between the Mk 3. and 4.
![d4vaIfD[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qzmYx5P.jpg "d4vaIfD[1].jpg")
Another pic showing the upper glacis thickness
>>30090554
below-the-turret-ring dot blogspot dot ru / 2016/01/the-drawbacks-of-front-mounted-engines dot html
this post explaint why Merkava have paper thin armor and why front mount engine MBT are retard
where's the 60mm mortar located on the merkavas?
>>30090647
Left side of the turret. Near the loader.
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>>30090651
i thought it was operate by the TC?
pic related is the Jew upgrade T-54 for the Gook
60mm mortar next to the TC hatch
>>30090651
thanks.
Are there any other MBTs with built in mortars?
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>>30090651
Where is the ammo stored in the Merkava?
>>30090583
One reason why early Merkavas have paper armor is ATGMs. Early 70s was iirc the era of missiles and tanks didn't really have no proper way to beat them. Maybe Israelis just decided that by mounting the engine in front and keeping crew as far as possible from the possible front hull hit is more advantageous than making fughueg steel box.
>>30090811
Isrealis cann't into composite armor in the early 70
>>30090845
And there is also that
>>30090659
Our mortar is operated by the loader.
>>30090663
Not that I'm aware of.
>>30090771
On the Mk.4 we have 10 ready rounds in the revolving drum in the turret bustle and 34 in the rear compartment. I'm not very familiar with the ammo layout on the earlier Merks.
>>30090946
Does that mean when the 10 rounds have been used, the loader has to get up and move to the rear compartment?
If this is the case, does it increase the time it takes to load the gun and make it harder when you are moving?
>>30090963
The rear compartment is just behind the loader, so he just need to turn and pull out a round, but the ideal is to get to cover and reload the drum.
>>30091019
I must say thay drum magazine is neat idea, but how fast it is compared to lets say traditional ammo compartment in back of the tank.
>>30091030
Not sure, but It's pretty fast.
>>30090175
I wonder what howitzer Finland is going to get. If the Bkan hadn't been cancelled, would it have been exported to the other Nordic countries?
>>30091531
I mentioned in another thread that we had the same competition in early 2000s and that was won by PzH 2000. If jews of Bofors don't shill us to submission, PzH 2000 is going to win again. Special mention to Krab due to Patrias successful economic ventures in Poland.
>>30090162
These threads are shit because OP has no clue what the fuck he is talking about.
The whole reason why the Merkava tank exists is because the British are a bunch of back stabbing cock suckers who threw Israel under the bus with the Chieftain tank. Leaving out this detail would be like explaining World War 2 without telling the reader about the Great Depression.
Read a fucking book you stupid cunt.
>>30091565
Krab use Korean K-9 chassis isn't it
so it a auto win for PzH 2000
>>30091611
My point was more that Krab is potential choice as Patria had good success in Poland and through that connection it might be easier to get them. PzH 2000 is still probable winner.
We had this discussion in Ylilauta back in the day. We arrived to conclusion that tracks are better here. Eventhought we have major road network of small forest roads, tracks allow better movement and possibilities to drive the vehicle into camouflaged safety.
>>30091672
are you guy buying the 120mm mortar turret for the 2S1?
>>30091708
Why would we exchange better D-30 to NEMO system if we already have far better AMOS on AMVs?
I know it's a long way from being reality but I have been thinking a lot about the possibility of a solar powered tank and the advantages thereof. Fuel supply has always been one of the major limitations on tanks coupled with the need to protect said supply lines.
>>30091736
that is the Polish RAK turret not NEMO
i thought the Fin are retiring all of their Soviet howitzer? because the gun and ammunition are old.
and it is tracked
your post mentioned it is better than wheeled vehicle
>>30091768
We only retired our older SPGs while ago but Gvodzikas have still mileage.
>>30091768
AMOS is available for tracked platforms to. Now that Sweden is buying 30ish CV90 AMOS (Granatkastarpansarbandvagn 90120) the finns might too.
>>30091610
>Yes goy, its Englands fault. Praise Israel!
>>30091799
Forgot to add a pic
>>30091610
>/thg/-guy
>no clue
He is one of the best posters on /k/ and one of very few tripfags that isnt a retard.
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>>30091809
is it available for Soviet vehicle like 2S1
>>30091799
Didn't the finns make the prototype AMOS ?
patria ? i cant remember
>>30091836
It has so far not been shown on any soviet vehicle but about 15 years ago we had some plans on mounting it on PBV 401s (MT-LBs). I really see no reason why it wouldn't work, but I also see no reason why anybody would want to do that.
>>30091855
Yes, AMOS was created by Patria. The CV90 wigh an AMOS turret was a joint project by Patria and BAE.
>>30091914
May I ask what battlegroup is in that picture?
anyone know where one can get schematics/blueprints for ww2 tanks ?
>>30092070
No China. Design something on your own you cheeky bustards.
>>30092059
Parts of a swedish mechanized battalion from P4 Skövde. I dont remember if its the 41st or 42nd BN.
To the far left there are support units from Trängregementet (also located in Skövde)
>>30092156
Ahh good, it just looked awfully small.
>>30092059
That is the entire Swedish armed forces
>>30090776
what happend in a pic?
>>30092504
Judging by the flags in the background and how beat up that Merk is, it's probably a maintenance corps rescue drill.
>>30092366
How original.
>>30090346
http://ukroboronprom.com.ua/uk/hbtz-modernizuvav-prylad-sposterezhennya-navodchyka-tanku-t-64.html
Ukraine will upgrade 14 T-80's and 21 T-64's with thermal sights.
Improve Штope
>>30092875
1 - head-receiving TSHU 2-1.1
2 - rotary launcher TSHU 2-4-
3 - on-board heat-trap TSHU 2-5
4 - Station GO-TSHU 2-7
5 - broadband noise generator TSHU-2-9
i am using machine translate for this
>ywn be able to tell your boss you were late for work because you got stuck behind a merkava in traffic
I want to build my own tank and drive it around the woods and shoot things. Does anyone from /k/ want to be in my tank crew?
>>30092985
You are not alone. My long dream has been to build my own T-26 and just drive around in the woods
Nordic Tank Challenge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-J4vBAf2-Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBSPXFTvmoI
>>30092985
I'd love to be a part of a tank crew.
My family owns large forests
I'd love to get a BDRM, kit it up for camping plus a drone to scout ahead for paths, drive in the middle of the lake, sit down and fish
>>30093503
BRDM would be one of the best choices as it can be made easily road legal.
http://www.kongsberg.com/en/kog/news/2016/may/kongsberg%20has%20signed%20orders%20to%20the%20crows%20program/
>>30094011
Is that the low profile version? I like it!
>>30094011
How good optics does crows have? My only proper look into them is what ArmA has
>>30094059
Yes.
>>30094209
Similar story here, I only used CROWS in Battlefield 3.
>>30093470
1. Denmark
2. Denmark
3. Norway
So idk if anyone remembers me but I went to that tank museum a while back.... aaaaand we went there again but with 200% more kalashnikov and 100% more vodka.... have I reached maximum slav levels?
>>30095099
I love that place
>>30095099
>left heel is not touching ground
2/10 would not squat with
>>30092985
Reminder that the full GuP der film was released yesterday, and subbed by /ak/ not later than this morning.
Movie => http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=815123
Subs => mega:///#F!JkpAhRra!dRhXVO3RR0J0nVSu0BaEIA
>>30095234
>post raw then sub
why not both
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=815761
>>30095181
D= I swear sergei, was just adjustment of foot when tovarisch camerman press button. Will gib vodka if squat with.
>>30095099
Aw fuck man, I was back home just last week. I stopped by buy they were closed. Hours are a bitch at that place since they'll close up early if nobody's around.
I'm kinda bummed, since I was planning on seeing when they'd be painting. Apparently they'll be hauling out a late-model M3 Stuart, pretty much identical to the one on the green in New Milford if anyone's familiar. They also have a Kettenkrad in the basement, but I'm not sure if they'll be bringing it out. I'd give my left nut and half the right one to get into their basement and attic.
>>30095293
Is it V2 subs? if it is good job, I didn't see the torrent was up.
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>>30095309
oh also I forgot to mention again since last thread archived quickly, but I'm still collecting questions for my neighbor who was an aerospace engineer that worked on the abrams turbine. Not sure what he did/ what he's allowed to talk about, etc but willing to give any questions a try. /k/ would really like him. Okay so far I got:
>is it true abrams turbine will run on anything
>>30095330
>Is it V2 subs?
it is
>>30095317
DDD= oh well...
Oh yeah I've seen pics of the new milford m3 never gotten around to seeing it though.... coooool. What what what what kettenkrad holllly hellll good god their militaria collection is wayyyy too goood wtf.
Also I'm almost 100% sure some of the volunteers working today post on the chans. Many cheeki breekis were heard.
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>>30095402
wat?
>>30095402
minor edit
>>30095402
kek
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>>30091030
Does no one else see this blatant fucking OPSEC breach/ intel gathering. Fuck me, you guys need to wise the fuck up.
>>30095495
>information that is widely known
>OPSEC, OPSEC, REEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!
>>30095495
Go back to militaryphotos.net. Oh wait...
>>30095495
You're really not impressing anyone. You're trying but coming off as an autist.
>>30095557
>militaryphotos.net
F
>>30091610
Care to enlighten us?
How does the Cheiftain figure into any of this?
>>30092875
Looks promising desu.
>>30093470
My God, that RWS is fucking huge. The CITV basically has only 180 degrees of visibility..
>>30095660
The UK let Israel have technical info, which contributed to the Merkava's development, instead of selling them Chieftains.
Is pic related the commanders position or the gunners position on a stryker with a CROWS fiddy cal.
>>30095698
anyone know why they never put the CITV into TC hatch?
in the light enhance sight era, they put night vision sight into TC hatch
why no one did the samething with thermal
>>30095698
It's field if view is almost identical to when there was a flex mount.
>>30095749
The commander is the gunner in a Stryker infantry carrier.
>>30095751
Do you know what the difference between a commanders independent sight and view ports are?
>>30095799
Oh yeah I forgot it doesnt have a turret. cheers mate
>>30095751
Do you mean integrate thermal optics into the periscopic sights surrounding the hatch? Simple answer is because it's just easier to have one rotating camera. Same reason a tank has one gun in a turret, rather than ten guns in a casemate (See USS Monitor v. CSS Virginia)
>>30095799
>Do you know what the difference between a commanders independent sight and view ports are?
Soviet TKN-3 isnot a view port
>>30095838
pic related is the light enhance sight for T-62/T-72 TC
Soviet install this into TC hatch, and the hatch spin 360 degree
i remember the Brith have a similar system
you can do the same with thermal, better visibility, more space
maybe thermal sight are too heavy for this design
>Should Chally 2 get that gun upgrade the MOD have been reluctant to implement?
Considering the British have put great emphasis on HESH ammunition for many years now, would it be wise to convert to the Rheinmetall L55?
Abrams vs Merkava vs Leopard?
>>30095885
I think they looked into giving it the L44 or an L55 (cant remember which) and they found that they could only hold something like 13 rounds of 120mm, There was a bunch of other problems too but I cant remember the specifics.
>>30095885
it is cheaper to buy a new tank or a new turret than changing the main gun
because British 120 rifled gun use bag charge
Can someone post the screencap of why Sherman is the best tank? Goes something like
>armor thin as America's tolerance for evil
>>30091610
>sperging out this hard over one detail in a concise summary of the development process
>>30095871
>Soviet TKN-3 isnot a view port
It performs the same function as the ring of 6 periscopes on an Abrams cupola, it does not have the hunter killer function of an commanders independent sight.
>i remember the Brith have a similar system
The British currently use fixed periscopes like Americans do.
>you can do the same with thermal, better visibility, more space
http://www.optexsys.com/product-2012/m17-day-thermal-periscope
>>30096122
>as the ring of 6 periscopes on an Abrams cupola
I say this and post a picture that shows 8 periscopes.
>>30096122
>, it does not have the hunter killer function of an commanders independent sight.
but it is a commanders independent sight, it have a built in range finder, night vision channel and can rotate the turret to where it pointing at, so it have hunter killer function
the thing even have a separate mini IR search light
>http://www.optexsys.com/product-2012/m17-day-thermal-periscope
this one is cool, but i figure it cost a tons for all 8 periscope be replaced with it
>>30095660
Israel was interested in buying Chieftain and setting up their own means of production in exchange they would share development costs and provide their own expertise with operating tanks in desert environments.
Britain sent 2 Chieftain mk 2s over for trials and Israel sent a delegation over to Britain to study production methods but eventually the Bongs backed out of the deal as to not upset the Arabs.
The bongs would then go on to sell Chieftain to Iran.
>>30096122
>It performs the same function as the ring of 6 periscopes on an Abrams cupola
You can't slew the turret onto a target with the press of a button using an Abrams cupola.
It's no PERI-17 but the TKN-3 is still miles better than using nothing but a cupola and a GPSE.
>>30096203
>it have a built in range finder
That's a bit misleading, a stadia reticle isn't much of a rangefinder, not by postwar standards.
>>30096203
>and can rotate the turret to where it pointing at
Learn something new everyday.
So to answer your original question, having the commanders independent sight separate from his cupola lets you have lots of periscopes.
>>30096456
>lets you have lots of periscopes
this kinda make sense
you cann't have enough of periscopes
>>30093470
leo firing in reverse at 3:30 - rear view camera?
>>30096522
That little box with a window up at the top of the engine deck. Abrams have it under the right tail light, dunno about other tanks.
>>30096647
pic of abrams tail light?
I'll just be posting my WWI library, as well as a couple of annotations for the benefit of the anons that requested it. Note that these are just the books I've read, I'm sure there are lots more out there.
>General/Survey Histories
The First World War: To Arms! - Hew Strachan
This is quite possible the most comprehensive popular work of history I have ever read. It has well over a thousand pages of dates, data, reports and analysis for every single front, theatre and action in the war - but only until the end of 1914. I would absolutely recommend, but be warned it is a substantial tome, so be ready to do a lot of supporting research and devote a bit of time. It's supposedly the first in a trilogy, but it's been well over a decade since this was published, with no second volume in sight. I do hope Strachan, who is advanced in years, lives long enough to complete the rest.
The First World War - John Keegan
This is the everyman's compendium on the ins and outs of the Great War, doing a very able job of detailing all the major fronts, but most definitely with a skew towards the Western Front. On the strategy level, Keegan is a deft hand at detailing the top-down view. A must for a beginner.
The Great War: A Combat History of the First World War - Peter Hart
I would recommend this as a companion book to Keegan's work, as it gives a lot more in terms of primary sources from the battlefields, while also being a little bit more detailed on the tactical side of things, at the expense of the diplomacy - it is, after all, a "Combat History". It leans much more towards the west than Keegan, but it does give a brief overview of other fronts.
What's this Modernization program for the Chally 2?
Is it going through?
What will it involve?
>>30096783
This section will be on books that discuss the war experience for the specific nations involved, and their respective fronts.
>Studies on the Belligerents
The Eastern Front 1914-1917 - Norman Davies
It's interesting that the most authoritative study of Russian operations in WWI would be written by a former Turcophile, but there you go. An indispensable work in understanding the Imperial Russian command and battle, revising much of the mythology surrounding the reasons for their early defeats. However, omits any mention of the Provisional Government's Galician offensives and fighting past 1917, due to Stone not believing it critical to explore. German operations, are also only lightly touched upon.
Ring of Steel - Alexander Watson
A quite recent book, but one that's had an enormous impact on my understanding of the war. It's more a social and economic history than anything else, with only major operations explored from the German and Austro-Hungarian point of view. In fact, to supplement, I would recommend:
Germany and Austria-Hungary at War - Holger Herwig
A more combat oriented view of the war, but in many ways, Watson uses a lot of the research that Herwig had compiled. He also makes a strong case for the main weakness of the Central Powers being the Hapsburg empire.
The First World War and the End of the Habsburg Monarchy 1914-1918 - Manfried Rauchensteiner
I had to pay an arm and a leg for the translated copy, but having read it, I must say it's entirely worth it. Like Strachan, an enormously comprehensive volume on the Austro-Hungarian involvement in the war. The sheer density and the quirks of translation make it a bit harder to digest than Watson or Herwig, but nevertheless, a reading is a prerequisite for understanding the empire's fall.
![Big-Wind-Tank-Firetruck-1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FxPbang.jpg "Big-Wind-Tank-Firetruck-1[1].jpg")
how about them cannons ey?
this thing must have scared some western intelligence agencies
>>30096876
Continued:
The Fall of the Ottomans - Eugene Rogan
A slim, but highly informative volume on the conduct of war in the Middle East. The specialisation of Rogan in Arab and Islamic scholarship lends itself well to the usage of Ottoman sources alongside the well trod British archives in areas such as Gallipoli (although don't expect a massive chapter on Gallipoli, the pace moves too quickly) and the Mesopotamian campaign.
The White War - Mark Thompson
What the work lacks in inline citations, it more than makes up for in stirring imagery of the futility of the war for the Italians on the Italian front. While there's debate over the true waste of the Somme or Verdun in Britain or France, there can be little over the Isonzo, simply because it achieved nothing in battle, or in settlement. Trento and Trieste, it seems, were little more than a pipe dream for the nationalists in the end.
The War to End all Wars: The American Experience in World War I - Edward M Coffman
There's been a recent explosion in literature over the "Doughboys", but this venerable work still stands tall over the others. It is the one book that should be read for a holistic account of the Americans in the First World War, and the the unfolding of their strategies in the campaign of 1918.
>>30096948
These are texts that go into the particulars of battles and offensives.
>Battle and Campaign Histories
Hundred Days - Nick Lloyd
This is very much a bottom up view of WWI, with plenty of first hand accounts from the infantry, tankers and officers on the ground, and gives a penetrating account into the planning and execution of the offensive that ended the war.
The First Day on the Somme - Martin Middlebrook
A classic work on the experience of soldiers on the eve of the Somme, the worst military disaster in British imperial history. While I don't necessarily agree with Middlebrook's relentless disparaging of General Rawlinson (who other academics credit with curbing Haig's enthusiasm for breakthrough), the picture he paints of the Somme is quite sobering.
Bloody Victory - William Philpott
Philpott is probably the most skilful of a new generation of revisionist historians on the various operations in the First World War. In Bloody Victory, also titled Three Armies on the Somme in the US (which also has 100 pages omitted for some reason), he shows that the Somme had hard fought lessons that gave the Entente an edge later on, and that the first day aside, the actual loss on the Somme has been misquantified in recent memory.
The Price of Glory: Verdun 1916 - Alistair Horne
This work is the crown jewel of the 1960s rebirth of WWI scholarship, and discusses in enormous depth and insight the French view of the battles around Verdun as Falkenhayn acted upon his desire to "bleed the French white". I've seem quite a few newer works on Verdun, but outside of the French language, none come close to Horne.
The Kaiser's Battle - Martin Middlebrook
Think of this book as a prequel of sorts of Lloyd's view of the Hundred Days, in that the failure of the Spring Offensive set up the circumstances for the Hundred Days to occur. Middlebrook once again brings his critical eye to the reasons for failure and the experience of ordinary soldiers on both sides.
>>30095775
Except it isn't which forced the army to scramble and procure a low profile mount.
>>30097053
Continued.
In Flanders Fields: Passchendale 1917 - Leon Wolff
The Canadians had their fair share of ups and downs in the war, and if Vimy Ridge is the pinnacle of their success, than the extended tooth and nail fighting in the mud over Passchendale, or the Third Battle of Ypres could be seen as the nadir. Wolff captures in eloquent prose the poignant melancholy of the battle on both sides, and exhibits the effect of the horrid weather conditions that the battle became known for.
With Our Backs to the Wall: Victory and Defeat in 1918 - David Stevenson
A plurality of people are familiar with the cataclysmic offensives on the west and the belated Armistice that ended the war. What does not tend to be discussed is how the war wrapped up in the other theatres of the war, from the east to areas of far off colonial conflict. Nick Lloyd of Hundred Days cites extensively from Stevenson, so I would recommend reading in conjunction.
Fire and Movement: The British Expeditionary Force and the Campaign of 1914 - Peter Hart
Hart does a better job than most at detailing the actions of the "Old Contemptibles", the vestige of a proud tradition of cabinet armies and volunteer expeditionaries, dating back to the British involvement in the 30 Years War, before they were replaced by mass conscript levies in the Great War. His scope is not just limited to the BEF, as he shows how the French held the line for the wider part of the front.
To Conquer Hell: The Meuse-Argonne 1918 - Edward Lengel
Another excellent account of the new American Army's baptism of fire in the catastrophically heavy fighting to remove the German salient in the Meuse-Argonne. The descriptions of the various actions are relentless, for each time it is a sanguinary affair and labelled as such. Pershing's own tactical failings are explored in the book as well, particularly his cavalier attitude to machineguns.
>>30095495
>Worried about OPSEC
>Israeli tank
>Israeli
cute
>>30096752
>>30097100
The commanders view from his cupola =/= his view from the CITV.
>>30097175
Books on tactics, operations and strategies
>Conduct of War
German Strategy and the Path to Verdun - Robert Foley
The book serves in a large way to address the controversy surrounding Fakenhayn's development of his strategy of attrition, which would be employed to devastating effect for all sides at the Battle of Verdun. Although the sources are patchy, as always with the enormously clandestine Falkenhayn, it does illuminate the reasons for such a policy of attrition.
Pyrrhic Victory: French Strategy and Operations in the Great War - Robert Doughty
This is a must read to understand the evolution of French behaviour in battle from the Battle of the Frontiers to the final days of the war. It highlights French innovations predating Bite and Hold, and shows that after the Nivelle Offensive, French strategies had to change into much more conservative outcomes. Highly recommended for an understanding of France's historically maligned role in the war.
The Rocky Road to the Great War: The Evolution of Trench Warfare to 1914 - Nicholas Murray
It's a bit of a niche subject, but it's a well researched one in this work. Murray goes back into the various conflicts and conflagrations of the 19th century, and relates it back to how it permuted the conduct of defensive warfare in the war of 1914. Special mentions go to his discussion of the Crimean War and the Russo-Japanese War, clearing up much myth.
War of Attrition: Fighting the First World War - William Philpott
Philpott gives the general breadth of the First World War the same revisionist treatment he gave to the Somme in Bloody Victory, with surprisingly readable results. While it's certainly a flawed work, especially in some of the more tautological strings of argument, it's nevertheless persuasive in its exposition of the mechanics of the war's strategies of attrition.
>>30097337
Books on the diplomacy and causes of the war.
>Political Histories
The Sleepwalkers - Christopher Clark
Imagine Barabara Tuchmann's enormously erroneous account of the origins of the war, with far better standards of scholarship and a much more eloquently construed argument, and add a German-centric perspective, and one gets Clark's magisterial The Sleepwalkers. While I'm not the biggest fan of the "sleepwalkers" thesis myself, his books is captivating, and worth reading even if you're not in agreement.
Towards the Flame: Empire, War and the End of Tsarist Russia - Dominic Lieven
I've been a fan of Lieven ever since his wonderful history of Napoleon and Kutuzov's duel in Russia ended up on my bookshelf, and his expertise in Russian politics is especially pronounced here. Lieven argues that it was not a stumble towards war, but rather a deliberate series of steps taken to further the dynastic interests of the various powers, in some cases with full knowledge of an impending war.
1914: The Year the World Ended - Paul Ham
I recommended this one to a friend who wanted to get started on reading about the war, and it retells in a concise and well researched manner the various aspects that led to war, ie, blank cheque, mobilisation schedules etc. But of more value is how the book take a look into the colonial struggles that also underpinned tensions, such as the Fashoda incident or Morocco.
A Peace to End All Peace - David Fromkin
This is the codifying account of how the Versailles proceedings and subsequent negotiations, like Sevres, contributed to the Middle East we know and despise today. Personally, I am not a fan of ascribing Sykes-Picot-(Sazonov) too much importance, but the main points are still agreeable and coherently presented. In particular, it has some excellent portraits of Lloyd George and Winston Churchill.
>>30097418
The naval war, a subject I admit I'm not an expert in.
>Naval History
The Great War at Sea - Lawrence Sondhaus
Like Keegan, Sondhaus is a historian that manages to deftly weave a narrative history in an easily digestible fashion, while peppering his tale with insights into naval tactics and strategies. Certainly worth looking into for any kind of curiosity about how the war occurred on the sea.
Dreadnoughts + Castles of Steel - Robert K Massie
Massie has very likely cornered the market on popular naval histories with his hugely comprehensive take on the history of the navies in the First World War. What elevated Massie, however, is the political dimension he incorporates in his two books, as each single mention of a military development is then intricately coupled to a look at the political causes or ramifications. The politics behind the arms build up is most definitely a highlight in Massie's work.
The Rules of the Game - Andrew Gordon
With perhaps one of the best titles for a history book I've seen so far, Gordon provides a discursive work on the action of the Battle of Jutland, the largest naval engagement of the Great War, but also notorious for being entirely inconclusive. The book has Jutland at its core, but its real meat is how it treats the topic of command and control in the British navy, citing examples like Trafalgar. A true pleasure to read, if only for its original take on the subject of naval warfare.
>>30097555
>The Rules of the Game - Andrew Gordon
Can confirm this is a fantastic book.
>>30097555
And I think that's it for now, but some honourable mentions include:
Through German Eyes: The British and the Somme 1916 - Christopher Duffy
Tommy - Richard Holmes
The War that Ended Peace - Margaret Macmillan
The Peacemakers: The Paris Peace Conference of 1919 - Margaret Macmillan
European Armies and the Conduct of War - Hew Strachan
War by Timetable - AJP Taylor (a genuine hero of mine)
Douglas Haig: The Educated Soldier - John Terraine
Mons The Retreat to Victory - John Terraine
The Real War 1914-1918 - Liddell Hart (an actual veteran of the war)
Also, there's always the first hand accounts like Junger, Barthas or the war poets (Frost being my favourite).
Thanks to the anon that reminded me to post the list.
>>30096943
>T-34 chassis
>first used in 1991
No, probably not
>>30096783
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>>30097659
Appreciate if someone could cap all these under something like "/thg/ guy's guide to reading WWI"
>>30097265
So the camera is in that little circular right tail light cover, cutout looks like a trapezoid?
>>30097961
Yeah, you can see the lens.
>all these book recommendations
thanks /thg/ guy
>>30093503
>I'd love to get a BDRM, kit it up for camping
>>30095317
> MBT-70
> slowly sinking in the dirt somewhere who the fuck knows where
Why the fuck doesn’t the U.S. have tanks set up all over the place as parade monuments like the Euros seem to do?
I live a mile from the former Detroit Tank Arsenal (now an industrial subdivision) and current Tank Automotive Command, which supposedly has all kinda production and prototype tanks from WWII right up to today stashed on the property, yet as far as I know, civilians can’t go check them out.
WTF, man? It's my tax dollars, I wanna see the cool shit!
>>30095885
Why do the bongs continue to love HESH? It's better for demolition than HEAT or KEP, but it seems like it's really single purpose.
>>30098501
>Why the fuck doesn’t the U.S. have tanks set up all over the place as parade monuments like the Euros seem to do?
WE DO. The college town I went to had a fucking Sherman Firefly standing guard over the main park right near campus. Scared the piss out of some Liberian foreign student.
>>30098667
Because the current conflicts the Bongs have been involved with are based around blowing up mud huts rather than tanks.
>>30098501
They're called gate keepers
>>30098501
>slowly sinking in the dirt somewhere who the fuck knows where
it's at the military museum of southern new england in connecticut
>>30098705
probably a sherman with the US 76 mm, no?
I HAVE A QUESTION
Were Sherman A4 E8s made like this or is it just from the restoration where it looks like chunks have been shaved off
>>30099234
-e8 implies it has HVSS, and no M4A4s were so constructed. the cast hull M4A1s, like the M4A1(76)W HVSS would have casting marks like your picture
>>30099182
>military museum of southern new england in connecticut
Fuck those guys, clearly they ain't taking care of that MBT-70, which ought to be here where the Arsenal of Fucking Democracy was!
When I was a kid and the Detroit Tank Arsenal was still making tanks, they had a T92 HMC and a T93 GMC parked out front and presumably they’re still stashed somewhere at the TACOM facility.
Park those bitches back out front where everybody can see them again, as well as all the other cool vehicles that are hidden and rusting away.
>>30099394
>clearly they ain't taking care of that MBT-70
okay buddy keep that edge to yourself. Frankly they're doing that MBT-70 a service, see for yourself what it looked like before. http://usmilitarymuseum.org/Exhibits/Exhibit_18.pdf
It's a mild-steel prototype the US military used for target practice.
>>30099234
The white A-4 on the turret is likely a unit marker
>>30099394
just take it easy, walter
![lead_large[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/3xJtHjn.png "lead_large[1].png")
>>30099234
Bro the tank in the pic is an M4A1E8, these were a post war retrofit to bring all tanks to HVSS specs to give them a little bit of service life before being replaced all together by pershings and pattons in the US. Also Lots of these tanks were also handed over to allied countries to give them some sort of armor fleet as countries like Belgium or France were completely war torn and needed to be rebuilt both economically and militarily and these tanks were a good jump start until more modern designs could be developed and fielded.
This is why there are a shit ton of these tanks today floating around Western European countries in private hands and in museums
As for an M4A4E8 76 (long hulled M4A4 w/ 76mm T23 turret), No no such vehicle has been known to exist... however There is a documented report of the US Army using HVSS equipped Firefly V (M4A4 long hull with brit 17 pounder modded turret) in the tail end of WWII ETO. No known pics are to known to exist though. Also The IDF Heavily used the M4A4 and were quick to upgrade the suspension system to HVSS when they were doing their M50 program.
>>30098501
>Why the fuck doesn’t the U.S. have tanks set up all over the place as parade monuments like the Euros seem to do?
The US didn't have a war that left tanks everywhere between Los Angeles and New York.
![tumblr_nmg42wTRBe1r94kvzo2_1280[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xJF0fq0.jpg "tumblr_nmg42wTRBe1r94kvzo2_1280[1].jpg")
>>30099394
Yeah that tank has seen better days, but to be fair it has been sand blasted and repainted by the staff so it looks much better these days. Like the other annon wrote it is made of mild steel and was used as mock up which is why it was so rusty.
Also as an FYI The rest of the museum tanks in the Army's catalog are in just as bad if not worse shape.
Unlike the Brits, French, Swiss, or the Russians who are getting their tanks to run the Army's idea of a "restoration" is to drain all the fluids, weld up the hatches... and to repaint the tank badly
>>30097923
4u
>>30096430
the commander already has 2 thermal imagers he can use aside from the gunners site extension, and his own set of NODs. Also along with the GPSE, the CROWS has a built in laser range finder as well.
>>30099668
Context being as reply to:
>It performs the same function as the ring of 6 periscopes on an Abrams cupola
Back when the TKN-3 was all the soviets had and an M1 TC had to use commander's override to get the gunner on target, the TKN-3 would have been much better.
Doubly so in NBC contaminated environments where a TC would be operating buttoned up.
>the CROWS has a built in laser range finder as well.
Nice.
Can it provide ranging information for the tank's FCS if the normal LRF is damaged?
>>30099799
>Can it provide ranging information for the tank's FCS if the normal LRF is damaged?
yes
>>30099668
Sounds like he doesn't have enough. What else could we give him... Hm... A telescoping sensor mast on the back of the turret sounds good. Maybe a camera attached to the gunner's 240.
>>30099867
the gun/coax already have 4 optics that are slaved to it, we are just being silly now.
>>30099575
Thank
>>30099882
That's the point.
Speaking of cameras, does the driver have a reverse camera, and do you think he wants it?
Supposedly the Trophy APS is one of the best in the world.
Is there any effective countermeasure to APFSDS ? Can Trophy kill a penetrator ?,
>>30100162
Huh, missed that.
>>30099572
>Unlike the Brits, French, Swiss, or the Russians who are getting their tanks to run the Army's idea of a "restoration" is to drain all the fluids, weld up the hatches... and to repaint the tank badly
I don't know were you get that information but it's not true, at least on the french side.
CDEB (which is the military entity behind the tank museum in Saumur), just like Bovington tank museum overhaul a lot of tanks to running conditions. Some tanks are not yet in the process of being overhauled, so naturally they remove all the fluids that are not necessary; to prevent sedimentation within the piping, reducing the amount of work.
>>30100074
>one of the best
there are only 3 serviceable APS in the world and Trophy is the only one in active combat
>Is there any effective countermeasure to APFSDS ?
ERA and NERA can break long rod penetrator, they are useless against penetrator core APFSDS, though the latter is quite shitty at penertrate steel and ceramic armor
>Can Trophy kill a penetrator ?
no
>>30091799
Are they?
wasnt that project canceled in like 2009?
>>30101062
AMOS project is still alive, but there hasn't been that many customers yet.
>>30101093
well i know that finland has a couple of vheicles but the swedish ssg 120 project with the cv90 amos ended in 2009 iirc
>>30098667
It'll fuck up anything that isn't a modern 3rd gen MBT, works wonders on buildings for RPG teams and best of all, it's really REALLY fucking cheap.
It's nice being able to just load 40 of the things into the vehicle and know you're not breaking the bank if you shit out every one of them by the time you return.
>>30101224
The captured Magach from the battle of Sultan Yacoub will be returned to Israel.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/212937
>>30101506
Ooh it was that tank. I remember having discussion about that tank here in these threads about it and how it influenced Soviets on their own programs.
Good thing for the tank to come back, but sad thing for those three crew members still missing.
>>30100371
The difference is though is that the French museum are draining the fluids for the intent to store them until the staff is ready to work on them to get them to run, the US system is to drain them to prevent any fluids from leaking out over years as the static tank stays on permanent static display be it out door on a slab or in doors. In a way it is preserving the interior and can make for a good fully restore candidate, but here in the USA there is absolutely no effort / funds to get these pieces running again.
>>30101503
Heh
Looks like an asshole
>>30091765
Interesting idea (that and the nuclear tank), but i have two issues with it.
1: sun is not constant, we are talking massive batteries to keep a 50 ton tank going through the night. Also you have cases like in Iraq where a sandstorm would make it dark as fuck for weeks. And ofc solarpanels vs small arms damage
2) As they saw in Iraq, the supply trains were just as much for hauling ammo as it was for fuel, so the need for supply remains.
>>30096647
>Abrams have it under the right tail light
Any pic ?
What kinds of gear and equipment do they strap on the tops of tanks? You always see bags and jerrycans and stuff.
What's in there?
>>30101762
Water, the crew's stuff, food. There's barely any space inside, so pretty much everything the crew need is stuck in the bustle rack.
>>30101554
Any odds of a summary? I would've liked to have read that.
>>30101224
>It'll fuck up anything that isn't a modern 3rd gen MBT, works wonders on buildings for RPG teams and best of all, it's really REALLY fucking cheap.
HESH rounds are in fact more expensive than conventionnal high-explosive shells because they use a more complex base fuze.
Many modern APC and IFV use spaced or appliqué add-on armor which render HESH rounds useless, this was the case during the Gulf War when a Warrior IFV was hit by a 120 mm HESH round fired from a FV4030/4 Challenger 1.
Current programmable HE ammunitions perform far better than the old HESH rounds in all of its aspects.
>>30101830
and HESH cann't be airburst
>>30101810
Sorry can't remember exact conversation but iirc it was just the basic how to counter those tanks amd how to apply that information back to own tanks. Nothing groundbreaking.
>>30101810
What do they put in the cool boxes on top of the tank? I thought all food the crews had was rations and did not go off in hot climates.
>>30101971
Water, tools, extra fuel etc. It is a bin designed to be filled with stuff that needs to be carried. Usually though it is backpacks of the crew. Cooler box is American lucky item, compared to log carried by soviet made vehicles.
>>30101762
>What kinds of gear and equipment do they strap on the tops of tanks?
Ivan
a lot of Ivan
>>30102006
Kind of defeats the purpose of Armoured personnel carrier.
>>30102011
that's the spaced armor/aps.
the troops are inside.
>>30102006
>"BIRD WILL NEVER SHIT ON FRESH WAX JOB AGAIN."
>>30101971
Those aren't exactly standard-issue, but what else would you put in a cool box? They're probably full of stuff to drink. Just because the food doesn't go bad in hot climates doesn't mean that tankers don't enjoy a cold drink every now and again.
>>30102044
this, they are infantry protection
the troop are inside
>>30102156
I have always felt that firing ports in APCs is so redundant in modern era of AT launchers
>>30102181
The majority of Russian vehicles with firing ports aren't really 'modern'. The BTR-80 is the most recent vehicle I'm aware of that still features firing ports.
I'll bet they just keep them because it's written into their doctrine, rather than because they're used.
>>30102156
Speaking of firing ports, is it possible to retain NBC protection whilst still using them? Obviously not in the BTR like that with the huge unsealed hole, but vehicles like the BMP-2 seem to have fairly well-sealed firing ports.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17PuAAqAsyw
>>30102218
I would think so. Don't NBC systems on AFVs rely primarily on creating overpressure inside the vehicle so that outside air does not blow in?
>>30101506
>ayyrabs capture tank fair and square from jews
>ayyrabs sell tank to soviets for more military junk
>jews are jewing the tank from the russians for good goy points
Are they gonna demand royalties for ERA next?
>>30102199
their new troop carrier have firing port in the rear ramp
BTR-80 is just a fuck huge BTR-70
>>30102218
>>30102298
it is overpressure system, and BMP was design so the troop doesn't need to get out of the vehicle in case of nuke warfare, their gun will always stay in the port
>>30102326
>being stuck in a BMP for an entire battle in NBC conditions
My spine hurts just thinking about that.
Considering the Russian firing port system just uses standard rifles, it's not that bad of an idea. It might be an outdated concept but there's no real harm in sticking a firing port in the rear door.
>>30102351
country like china have new firing port block for their new service rifle
better than a special carbine without stock
>>30102389
As much as I love the Bradley and the M231 FPW, the US really completely and utterly fucked up the entire point of a firing port weapon.
>>30102308
I really don't understand why us asking for the tank back triggered you so hard. The russians don't have much to do with it anymore, anyway.
>>30102403
What was this, an M4 without a stock that was welded to the door that passengers could use?
>>30102436
>M4
No. This pre-dates the M4 by quite a long shot.
The M231 Firing Port weapon was/is an open-bolt, full-auto only AR variant designed to be installed in the firing ports on an M2 Bradley for the dismounts to use, like the Russians with their BMPs.
A decent idea on paper, but in practice, it was fucking useless. They only had 30rd magazines to feed a weapon with an absurdly high rate of fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjVE6bocSNk
The periscopes you were supposed to aim with were not good at all. The only way to hit anything was to walk your fire onto the target, by which point you'd probably have run out of ammo anyway.
The firing ports were covered over when they upgraded and added extra armor. The only one that still exists is the one in the rear door, and even that might be gone now.
>>30102469
lol how did they fuck up that bad? especially with the extra armour blocking most of the firing ports.
How do the russians deal with port firing weapons? Do they just have the passengers use their standard rifles and shoot out the firing ports or did they make a weapon specifically for firing port use.
>>30102410
Asking for equipment back is pathetic. Same thing happened with Georgia after the russians captured shittons of M4s and humvees, but there the US was insisting on it instead of Georgia.
>>30102521
they have this instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17PuAAqAsyw
>>30102521
>extra armour blocking most of the firing ports
They only added the armor that blocked the firing ports after they decided they were useless and nobody ever used them.
If they were actually of any use, they'd have left them usable.
I remember touring the Bekaa as a kid and seeing a Merk wreck, a rocket pierced its upper glacis and you could see the remains of the engine. was cool m8
>>30102613
Looks a tad finnicky but generally quite good. Is that The door to a BMP-3?
>>30102861
yep, it is the BMP-rear door
>>30102753
It's amazing that the M231 PFW even existed. When fixed in its firing port it couldn't even swivel. If you add the fact that it needed special ammunition and a vacuum to catch the brass being flung into soldiers faces it may be the most obserurd and impractical weapon systems of the late could war.
>>30102945
All firing port weapons had brass catchers and fume extractors. That's neither a problem nor unique to the M231.
>>30101971
my tank carried water and gatorade, plus some medical ice-packs in the coolers. they used to get shot to shit though, so we had to replace them often. when it's 130 degrees in the turret, even a cool bottle of water is a luxury...
>>30103824
Armored cooler boxes when?
>>30104406
The first tank with A/C.
>>30104434
True :D
>tfw you have a good idea for next edition
If anyone can find a bunch of sources on it and write something awesome, /thg/ guy is the guy.
>>30103824
Thats interesting. What was your role in the tank and what tank was it? I love muh tanks btw
>>30104493
What is your idea?
>>30104599
http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/tankita2.html
Even Eugene Stoner, that magnificent AR-15 man, was involved in the development.
>>30104434
Saudu Leclercs has AC
>>30104493
Id like /thg/ to do a BMP thread. As I understand it, and Im not an expert or anything, the Russians invented the idea of IFVs and it would be interesting if /thg/ guy could give some detailed info on it.
Thats if he hasnt already done so.
>>30092890
>>30092875
Can someone explain what this is in layman's terms, it looks like additions to Shtora.
>>30105092
It is.
>>30095751
>anyone know why they never put the CITV into TC hatch?
it wasn't possible to put the M1's 80's-era optics into something as small as the TC hatch. you needed a lot of space for that stuff, so they built large housings away from the hatch.
you can probably build smaller ones now, but since the CITV is already there, it probably doesn't make any sense to redesign that bit of the tank.
the next US tank will probably be fancier.
You guys remember a very old japanese game called Gungriffon?
It was all about "realistic mechs" closer to the feel of battletech.
Anyway it had pretty realistic tank models, and curiously, this is the 90s we are talking here, they had a Leopard 3 with an unmanned turret. Its creator seemed pretty far sighted.
Sadly I can only find a pic of the Chinese mbt the game featured.
I wonder what the next German tank project will be.
>>30104753
Emirati. Ours do, too. Isn't it a common feature on modern tanks ?
>>30106055
That composite tho
>>30107691
It's not.
Those are steel plates put there to simulate the added weight of the new armor package for testing purposes.
>>30106755
I never played it, but I read about it in a magazine and I thought it looked radical.
>>30106874
Evening Frenchfag, Ive got a few questions. How much does a single track link weigh on the Leclerc, and how heavy are the wheels? Im guessing that they have to be pretty heavy and sturdy to hold the weight of a tank but I guess that makes changing wheels or fixing tracks a ngihtmare too.
>>30106874
How was the sun over there? Any sand qt 3.14s?
So this is a thing I've only seen on French tanks. What kind of turret is this, and how does it differ from regular turrets?
>>30109257
Googling is hard as fuck.
>>30109257
Oscillating Turret. The top half elevates and depresses with the gun.
>>30109257
Oscillating turret.
It was an early idea on how to mount an autoloader. The top half of the turret and the bottom half of the turret are two pieces and the top half swings up and down.
The gun is bolted rigidly to the top half, and is connected to the autoloader. Thus the tank can now shove out several rounds semi-automatically and without another dude in the turret.
The idea was proven to be okay in practice, but it was a bitch to NBC-proof, have a wicked small rack (12 rounds ready, then they had to reload the bustle) and with improved electronics allowing guns to automatically return to battery position, it's not needed much anymore.
The US had some experiments with the oscillating turret, and a few Shermans had an oscillating turret bolted to them.
>>30102753
So does the US Army of today still at least train and use the firing ports?
>>30102522
It's a memorial you fookin retard.
They'll probably stick it on some hill along with a remembrance tablet.
The news papers will probably also pay respects for a day
>>30108412
Wow that's pretty specific, I truly have no idea, never came across those figures, sorry.
>>30108933
Hot but dry so much more bearable than Djibouti or Ivory coast. And yeh many QTs from all corners of the world are to be found in Dubai or Abu Dahbi. Wearing everything from what can only be described as skimpy to full curtain mode.
>>30110586
>>30101110
There are plans to introduce a new "IFV-borne mortar system" in a few years, Grkpbv 120 is one option being looked at.
>>30110696
This is what I'm referring to.
>>30110073
No, because they removed the firing ports from most if not all Bradley variants. They ditched that idea years ago.
