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If the NFA were to just stop existing, what sort of gun that does not currently yet exist would you want made that could not previously be made due to the NFA? What sort of technologies that are not pursued due to the NFA would you like to see worked on further?
I would really like to see the miniaturization and integration of a stock into a pistol. With a cross bolt you can set to either impede or allow a spring loaded shoulder stock to pop out on a slight press (not full pull) of the trigger.
Thus, you could keep the pistol stored on your hip like normal, but pull the pistol, give a slight squeeze, shoulder, then fire it with greater stabilization. If you don't want that to happen, set the cross switch and that would keep the stock closed, even when you depressed the trigger. A simple set of springs with a telescoping wire frame stock could maybe do the trick.
So /k/, what thing would you want in a newer firearm?
submachine gun chambered in .357 Magnum
Personally I can't think of anything I'd want made, but I'd love to have an AK pistol with a folding stock for a reasonable price.
M2 Browning with computer assisted targeting and HEAT rounds.
Not gonna lie, I just want a 10mm MP5.
Integrally suppressed shotgun pistol
>>30075496
those closed bolt on semi open on auto for ARs look pretty nifty. Get Geissele to do one.
>>30076296
>closed bolt on semi open on auto
That sounds pretty god damn cool.
Not sure how applicable it would be to ARs though. Do they really ever fire enough rounds fast enough that there would be danger of an in-barrel cook off? Does the average soldier even have enough ammunition to get it to that point?
Pic related Mauser is actually not considered an NFA weapon.
There's some shit about it being intended to work with the stock, and that makes it okay, just like the original thompson pistol w/h foregrip.
Depending on where you are it may not even need to be the original stock, it just has to be the correct type.
>>30075496
i dont know if its nfa or whatever but i want a seven pounder so i can fire the noonday gun at lunch
>>30076365
Muzzleloading black powder is legal for anything, cannons are no problem, SBS's and all are also okay.
(not fixed ammunition)
Guns that take shells have a technicality where it's okay if the ammunition is no longer produced, but I don't know if they are exempt from destructive device antique or not.
>>30076333
this, the broomhandle is grandfathered as an exception to the NFA so long as the gun was originally intended to take a stock and primarily made before the 1934 NFA the borchardt and the arty luger fall into this category as well
>>30076333
>>30077220
I didn't post is because it was an NFA item (I did know that fact), but because its an example of a once thriving market of pistols with attachable stocks that was killed due to the NFA.
I am aware I can own weapons like that, but when they're not able to be produced anymore for widespread use, they're also not researched, so the technology doesn't grow. That's a bad thing and makes me upset how many different things the NFA prevents that would be great for firearms and firearm owners.
>>30075550
Kinda like a bolter?
Sounds awesome for big soft fleshy targets, like nids.
I miss 40k.
I want a gun that fires guns.
So, maybe like a fuckin huge shotgun, like a 4-bore, firing sabot'd subcompacts.
>>30075496
I'd like to see burst-fire explored further in pistols. I know the Beretta 93R went there, but it got stifled by the NFA almost before it was a thing.
Like, imagine pic related in 5.7 with a semi, 3-round burst, and full auto selector switch.
>>30075550
They already made mp5's in 10mm. They're making a vector in 10mm also
>>30076331
Older ones did, not sure about newer ones. I think it was after ~250 rounds of full auto magdump and switching mags that they started experiencing cookoffs if I remember correctly.
>>30075496
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>>30075496
No particular technology or innovation really stands out in my mind, just an expansion what's already possible into the mainstream. For example:
1. Suppressors becoming much more common and lower cost + threaded barrels as a standard feature on modern guns, rather than something you pay extra for. Suppressors could be seen as mufflers - a common feature that benefits everyone.
2. A better bridge between rifles and pistols: More submachine gun -esque guns (small, handy rifles) as well as a standard way to attack stocks to pistols. You could have one nice stock that you attach to all of your pistols.
3. Reproductions of historical guns that would be considered illegal to reproduce today. There are many situations where the original gun is exempt from NFA rules, but making a new, identical replica would be illegal. That's just silly. Also, proper replicas of Thompsons, PPSHs, and Uzis would just be cool.
>>30075496
12 gauge stripper clip fed toggle lock select fire pistol
I think it would be cool to play around with RPG's and grenade launchers and shit, but I don't like the idea of a few dindus wrecking a city.
Actually I think it would be cool to have a stock for hand guns but instead of a stock that has the butt go into your shoulder it's more of a wrist/forearm gaurd that counters the recoil. I don't know odom making any sense I'll try and draw it and post a pic
>>30078514
Sort of like this
>>30078411
They tend to wreck their own neighborhoods. Nigs with RPGs is a self solving problem. Just put heavily armed cops on the exit routes around their neighborhood and let them kill each other off.
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>>30078514
You're basically asking for an arm brace.
Those are actually already legal.
Just for the love of dog, do not attempt to shoulder it.
>>30075496
I want a VSS. That is all.
But more seriously, I think we could see a lot of old production guns. Mp40s, Stens, grease guns, etc.
>Tfw I buy a sterling and modify it into a working E-11 stormtrooper rifle, complete with tracer rounds
>remove Bantha
>>30078968
pistol with foregrip...
say hello to the atf and kiss your dog goodbye
>>30079207
Pistols with foregrips would also be a good thing to have if the NFA stopped existing.
Just imagine a design like I described in the OP, but with a foregrip as well? That's some serious stability.
Add in a selector switch like
>>30077855
and you have a seriously cool firearm.
>>30079207
It's a "firearm". Greater than 26" OAL & no stock = firearm, and VFG's are okay.
I want a Pernach in 5.45x18 and .32NAA. Goddamn laser guns.
Soft/hollowpoint tracers.
>>30079310
>5.45x18
>hollowpoint
Enjoy your 1" of penetration.
>>30079335
I hate squirrels.
20 gauge belt fed shotgun on an AR-15 upper.
>>30079467
If you meant lower, then it's been done.
>>30075496
A gun that shoots bullets that LITERALLY explode into memes. I'm talking the top shelf stuff like Dat Boi, Troll Face, F.A.M, and rage comics
>>30075496
Belt fed XM25
>>30078553
send that to kel tec
>>30075550
Might as well step up to .30 Carbine
>>30077763
How the fuck is that anything like a bolter?
A bolter is like a 25mm Gyrojet fucktraption, it's NOTHING like any .357 Magnum firearm.
>>30076331
The AR is exactly the kind of rifle that needs that system.
>>30078968
Exactly like this but for pistols
>>30076331
The FG-42 does this, and when you run dry on full auto the bolt locks open, so the moment you put a new mag in you're ready to shoot again, no bolt release or charging handle use required.
It's a really neat feature, makes me think mag-fed SAWs really could work if they have that feature.
>>30075496
More PCC espcially SMGs. PCCs are suppressed thanks to builshit length requirements and I hate it. Things I'd like to see drop in conversion kits to make a pistol a carbine. Folding stock SMGs, and by the glory of God all the classic stuff back.
>>30076333
Wait are Thompson pistols kosher with foregrip and no stock?
>>30083357
They aren't pistols, because they're over 26", they're "firearms". Like the franklin xo-26, and the non-nfa shorty shotguns.
>>30083457
Ahhh so the super long barrel ones not the proper smaller ones. That's a bummer
>>30075496
>Thinking that the NFA impedes technological progress in a meaningful way
>Thinking that anything requiring a partial trigger pull is a good idea
>Thinking that a spring loaded stock wouldn't be bulky and/or flimsy
>M93R but polymer, striker-fired, and with two-round burst
>a shorter, automatic Sub-2000
>a cheap, tactical five-round SBS for HD
>AK-74Us and 10" ARs for HD
I'm unimaginative, but I want them nonetheless.
>>30083457
Do you need a stamp for a "firearm?" It's sounding like no.
>>30083301
IIRC LWRC made an AR with this feature for the IAR competition, and FN did the same with a SCAR. Had there been a civilian market they might have seen the light of day outside of a rigged military trial.
>>30075550
SMG chambered for the following calibers:
.460 Rowland
9x29mm Winchester Magnum
10mm Magnum
.44 Automag
.45 Winchester Magnum
.475 Wildey Magnum
.50AE
.50 GI
I also want a semi-auto, double-stack, DA/SA cocked-and-locked pistol like the CZ-75 or HK USP, with optional detachable shoulder stock, chambered in all of the following calibers:
9mm Parabellum
.40 S&W
.45ACP
.45 Super
.460 Rowland
10mm Auto
7.62x25mm Tokarev
5.7x28mm
4.6x30mm
9x23mm Winchester
>>30083712
How many John Moses Brownings do you think we'll get tinkering around in the garage and inventing new guns if that's illegal to do?
How much motivation do you have to invent a revolutionary new product if the only market for your product is the government, and if they don't want it then you're fucked?
Is it retarded to want a integrally suppressed lever action rifle in .357
>>30084606
>4.6x30
>5.7x28
Just no
>>30084460
Nope. Anything that fires a fixed cartridge is a "firearm", but most things get further categorized as "rifle", "shotgun", or "pistol" (exluding NFA). If it has never had a stock, it is not a rifle or shotgun. If it is not concealable (over 26"), it is not a pistol. Thus, it is not subject to rifle or shotgun restrictions ( barrel length), nor pistol (no foregrips). It cannot be concealed anywhere, else it is an AOW. It can never have a stock (no firearm->rifle/shotgun->back to firearm), and if your area only permits open carry of loaded pistols, it cannot be carried loaded.
Some sort of integrally suppressed mac-11 platform with caseless ammunition, approaching absolutely silly rates of fire of 3000+ rpm.
See pic related, worth 1000 hrs in photoshop.
>>30075496
I just want an AKs74u without any hassle or tax stamp
>>30086931
K R A U T S P A C E M A G I C
>>30078553
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AXxUX1iGW8
I would really like to see more attachable stocks for pistols.
not just for classics, but for Glocks and Sigs n shit too. paying a tax stamp that costs more than the stock is pretty shit.
A real M41A Pulse Rifle chambered in real 10x24mm with a real grenade launcher.
>>30075496
STG-44 in 7.62x39
Select fire M2 carbine in .357 mag
MP 40 reproduction
Quality select fire AR-18's
>>30087678
>STG-44 in 7.62x39
Not automatic, buuuut...
https://www.hmgunworks.com/product/hmg-sturmgewehr-standard-length-223/
Comes in .223/5.56, 7.62x39, .300 Blackout, and 7.92x33.
>>30087671
Already exists. it's just a Thompson in a body kit.
Well, i don't think it's in 10mm so it's only half real, i guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT90YzPIhVE
>>30075496
I want a 10mm sten gun so I can spend more money on ammo then I did on the gun in one mag.
>>30087733
I knew about the Thompson body kit. I was talking about making a different gun, possibly based on the Thompson, chambered in 10mm.
>>30084606
>.50AE
>SMG
Electronic firing pins/triggers. I heard somewhere that the ATF considers a semi with electronic trigger a full auto because of its potential to be modified.
>>30075496
I'd just want an open bolt 10/22
>>30087733
Holy fuck I didn't know Thompson's fire 10x24mm caseless HE-AP rounds!
Learn something new every day
>>30086931
Suppressed G11, then?
>>30093733
>Well, i don't think it's in 10mm so it's only half real, i guess
>>30076247
Fucking this. I heard the MP5/10's had service life issues though. Cant say im surprised.
