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Current news: Bill status as of May-19
>E-111 AR-15 Petiton 25.2k signatures Status: Complete, parlament has until June 27, 2016 to respond
>E-124 Petition to add property rights to the charter.4.3k Signatures Status: Complete, to be read before parlament.
>Bill C-230 An Act to amend the Criminal Code (firearm — definition of variant) Status: Second reading, Order of precidence 29 (at 3)
http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=8111356
>Bill C-246 Modernizing Animal Protections Act(Hunting - More strict measures against hunters/trappers) Status: Second reading, Order of precidence 23 (at 3)
http://www.parl.gc.ca/legisinfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=8122718
>Bill S-223 An Act to amend the Firearms Act and the Criminal Code Status: Dead after 15 seatings unless someone re-sponsors it. (Seating 9of15)
http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=8177186
>Bill 64 - Quebec LGR has been approved by QC Legislature and is before a committee.
>PPSH-41 Semi-auto has been approved for sale as restricted based on barrel length. No news further details yet waiting on response from importer.
Any news on that range they were crowdfunding near Canada's Wonderland?
>>30062118
Wasn't following it that close but aren't most people calling it a scam now.
I tried to contact a guy last week to challenge the PAL. But, he said they have stopped allowing it. Is this just him or all instructors?
Hey guys, Amerifat looking to get some info. I know you guys have Norinco CQ M311-1's and I wanted to know if anywhere in Canada would have the Forend, Pistol grip and buttstock.
Pic related
Found a Steven Model 58 bolt action shotgun for $175 at my LGS that I really want but I have no money right now and I'm not even sure if it would be in good condition. Any advice on what to look for in them?
>>30063089
All instructors, course is required now.
>>30063089
it's the RCMP/Canadian government
>>30063143
OK I figured as much, I was in Alberta visiting and this guy was talking about a one day course, is this just a walk around or legit?
>>30063162
Legit.
Are you doing both PAL and RPAL at the same time? Because you should.
>>30063162
Usually, if you just want a PAL, you can be in and out of the course in a day, maybe 2 depending on the setup. You basically just spend about 6-8 hours covering the material that will be on the test, and handling the relevant actions before you do the actual test itself. They explain to you exactly how to pass the test too.
>Also I strongly recommend going for both licenses at once, you can apply directly for the restricted license.
>>30063189
I totally would but I live in the middle of nowhere, but their is a local that does rpal but in a separate course.
Anyone have any experience with the Czech special forces brake Corwin Arms is selling?
Looking to buy new funs
thinking of either a used 10/22 TD or an sks
already have a TT34
any inputs ?
>>30063200
If you don't have a range and don't expect to live anywhere near one at any point, you're probably right about not getting the RPAL then. If you think you might end up living in an area with a range, then I do still recommend it. Ultimately, it's up to you though, just know that you have to redo the entire license application over again if you decide to upgrade in the future.
>>30063237
SKS, I really love shooting my VZ58 and would've been more disappointed with any .22 rifle at this point. Not that much recoil, relatively cheap ammo, and you can actually feel when you pull the trigger.
>>30063200
Do both courses and send in one application. It costs you less that way.
>>30063253
any recommendation on what kind of sks?
Im leery of the norchinkos , my lgs has some 1954 chrome lined ( not sure if referbs)
>>30063270
100% this . Also i dunno howmany people say they should of done both at the same time .
>>30063279
Russian is always best SKS, but the military Chinese ones are almost as good, the difference is primarily in the style of bayonet. You won't really find any other kind of SKS in the country. Yugos are around but in very limited numbers, and I haven't ever really heard of any other ones showing up. Just get a Russian if you're concerned, but Chinese is essentially identical.
>>30063279
There's really no reason to not go with a Russian.
If not, than a sino-soviet rifle is also good (Chinese make crap for the civilian market but their milsurp is solid).
>>30063279
As far as quality wise the Russian ones are generally accepted to be Superior to the Norinco ones but they both will be super reliable. Personal preference really
How does an address change work? Let's say next month I move out, do I call up the RCMP and tell them my new address and they'll send me a new card or just a paper?
>>30063954
Go on the website, log in to your account with your license number, click change of address, fill out info on new address and when you're moving in, done. The address is only in their database so there isn't anything else they need to do.
>>30063113
Try contacting Marstar or CanadaAmmo- they might have a line on it. Then comes the tricky part- importation.
looking at getting another surplus Bolt action rifle. already have a Mosin, looking at either a K-31 or any Mauser variant.
worried about feeding them though.
how hard/much am i gonna be looking at for either.
or if you can think of another rifle i should start looking for please say.
thanks for the help
>>30065424
how hard will it be find ammo / how much per box of 20
>Debating getting a Baikal Viking
>Should really spend the money on that YMA
>Contact Interammo, ask some questions
>Guy offers to meet at a range when he gets back and let me try one of their demo Vikings
Sheeiiit, that's customer service.
>>30065424
>Mauser
Check P&S Militaria- they have a bunch of South American mausers in .308 and .30-06.
http://psmilitaria.50megs.com/guns.html
Most are around $500. Avoid the Chilean 1895s, but the 1912 ones should be fine (98 actions). For $650 you can get an Israeli Mauser in .308
>>30065424
swiss is pretty easy to find, gp11 surplus ammo is still around and easy to get
k31s are also generally in very good shape, and are extremely accurate well made rifles
>>30065473
thanks a ton bud will look into em
>>30065486
thanks for the info, ill weigh my options and see what i can find
>>30065478
Boys
Going to be starting work in Northern Canada. North of Thunderbay, outdoors all day, and in bush not explored. Question is, what are the appropriate pants for the job? Want something unique and interesting, without coming off as a retard. Most of the shit from MEC is expensive as fuck.
Was thinking some SADF Khaki's. Look like cargo pants, made for a hot environment, and looks nice.
>>30065704
i suggest tight jeans, the tighter the better
>>30065727
and a denim coat , breaths yet provides good protection from elements
>>30065398
I have contacted CanadaAmmo, Funnily enough Marstar told me to call them. I know that I cant get the whole gun I just want the Fore-End, Buttstock, and the crazy Pistol Grip. And if I can get the odd hooded front sight that would be great
>>30065727
>>30065802
>Canadian tuxedo
He's working in the bush, not going to a dinner party.
>>30066341
Sorry ,guy I thought working in the bush was a euphemism
>>30062189
What's with Canada and scam ranges lately?
There is another range that is supposedly "opening soon" in British Columbia. It was announced since 2014, work was being done on it in 2015, and the opening date keeps getting pushed back farther and farther.
A lot of paying customers (people who paid off their range memberships or bought a Groupon) aren't left with much reassurance, because there is very limited communication.
People are starting to call that range a "scam" too.
>>30061972
Having another meet up next week, buying 2200-2800rds of ammo and bringing more guns than pic related.
Anyone have any information on the Stevens Model 58 shotguns? There's one in my LGS for $175 that I'm looking at but I'm not sure if it would be worth it.
>>30067363
Its 175$ get it
>>30067363
Kinda shitty, but it's a bolt-action shotgun which is interesting in it's own right. Not too many guns of that sort.
>>30067380
Yeah except I'm short on money right now, and just got a Mosin. If I'm going to buy it, it's going to hold me off on getting ammo for a while. That's why I'm asking if it's worth it, and if there are any model specific issues.
>>30067389
Shitty in what way?
>>30067395
It's just an old, cheaply produced gun. I guess shitty is a bit harsh, but I'm in a bad mood.
>>30067417
Does it jam a lot or something? The action seemed smooth when I did a bit of fondling this morning.
>>30067444
Maybe the one I fondled was poorly maintained. YMMV.
>>30065442
Does anybody here even have a Viking? What are they like? I saw one for $560 in my LGS, and that's not a bad deal on a modern polymer full sized 9mm.
>>30067463
Could be. I didn't see any rust on it so it was probably well maintained.
so is anybody here from the Petawawa area?
>>30067513
General consensus is "It's okay for the money".
>>30067193
>What's with Canada and scam ranges lately?
It's not that they're scams, it's just that the planners/owners/operators are naive schmucks who think they can ram through 380,000+ pieces of laws and by-laws(Ontario) and build a range where they feel like.
Paying for a possibility is even more retarded like those guys who prebought memberships like prebuying DLC from Ubi-osft
Got a guy in Red Deer who wants to buy a handgun from me. I live in Edmonton. Would it be better to send it via mail, or simply hop on my motorcycle and ride down?
>>30068618
You could ride and take it there, as long as you lock it in a box, and get an ATT from the RCMP for the ride.
Otherwise, it may be easier to just take it to the post office.
>>30068658
Any restrictions for shipping guns and ammo?
>>30066341
Kek
>>30068815
Ammo can't go by Canada Post, they simply don't. Guns are supposed to be locked for shipping (nobody ever does lel). If you're going to the post office with a restricted gun, you technically need an ATT to go there once the gun has transfered to the other guy.
>>30068815
Shipping NR any courier that allows firearms
Shipping R must be shipped by a licensed carrier (CP for sure, possibly Purolator w/ COS)
Shipping Ammo needs to be by courier (Fedex, Purolator, Canpar, Lumis) with 1.4S small arms/explosives hazard labels.
>>30068873
Oh and DO NOT SHIP FIREARMS VIA AIRMAIL EVER! ground only.
>>30068873
Bah, so much hassle. Be easier and cheaper to simply take it myself.
So is anyone going to order a type 81 from Tactical Imports?
>>30067193
Which range would this be?
>>30069293
Ordered the fixed stock model and a stack of mags.
>>30069415
Can't remember the name, but it was supposed to be located in Richmond.
>>30069293
>>30069415
>Ordered the fixed stock model and a stack of mags.
Me too!
I can finally zapman.
>>30069415
I'd love to get my hands on a folding stock to complement my fixed stock VZ58.
>>30070248
https://www.corwin-arms.com/product/cz858vz58-original-factory-folding-stock-4
>>30070273
I know, I'm looking for a folding stock Type 81, to sit beside my fixed stock VZ58 though.
>>30070284
Okay I read that wrong and thought I was helping. My bad.
>>30070304
No, I totally understand where you would get that, don't worry about it.
I've asked a few times in our threads, it's going on beyond 6 months now waiting for my renewed RPAL. Finally got to the provincial CFO and all they tell me its with them for now, they are waiting on approval and there may be more people ahead of me.
Is it common for the CFO to let things go beyond 6 months to force people to make that choice, go through the process again or just hand over or face a knock knock on your door? I don't want to do either, I just want my renewed license. I'm getting nervous.
>>30070535
Call them and ask what the hold up is, every week until they get it moving.
>>30070535
Yup sounds like what the CFO would do, seems like most of the time they don't peruse confiscation while there is a licence being processed.
>>30063113
I have the ribed-for-my-pleasure forend sitting in a box not being used. The rifles come with standard A2 pitol grips not the curved one.
>>30063228
Heavy, very glossy and don't match the rifle. but VERY good at controlling recoil.
I'd wait and get the AK74 break they are currently making
>>30071115
The new Norinco A1s come with the A2 grips and delta rings, the old ones had the revolver grip, flat rings, and an A1 style lower receiver. I bet CananadaAmmo or somebody else could locate the older shit
>>30063237
SKS. Mine cost $189 and I can put cheap surplus ammo through it all day.
>>30069293
Is it non-retricted? I heard that they are making a 5.56 version.
>>30071304
Non restricted, yes.
5.56 version, not that i've heard of. There was a 5.56 version made in the 80's for the US market right before the Clinton ban but I don't think they ever produced it for other markets.
>>30071304
>>30071345
You know a 5.56x45 version is just around the corner.
Does anyone here have any experience with Pistol Caliber Carbines? I'm currently looking into them and found that the TNW's Aero Survival Rifle (In 9mm) may be a strong pick, compared to the JR Carbine.
Pic related is the ASR.
>>30072064
PCC's are super convenient. Easy access to 10 round mags, low ammo costs (if 9x19), negligible recoil and good enough for 'yotes.
>>30072064
No input on the ASR but the JR carbines are as shit as everyone says they are.
Other options are Sub2k and Beretta CX4
>>30072102
Do you personally recommend any specific PCC, or should I stick to my choice of the ASR?
And unlike handfuns, most of the PCCs on the market are Non-Restricted, which is always fun.
Anyone know where to get that indexing rail system for the Kel-Tec sub2k?
>>30072141
Which is funny, because everyone kept praising them when they first came here. Or am I thinking of the Thureon?
>>30072156
The CX4 is fantastic if you can get your hands on one, though they can be pretty pricey. Also, not too friendly for certain optics because of the fuckhueg sight shrouds...
>>30072156
CX4 storm imo
Has a bolt release and holds open on last shot
JR, Thureon, Sub2k, and ASR do not have either and that just kills it for me since they're all in the same price range more or less (sub2k is cheaper)
>>30072180
I've seen half a dozen JRs in their various calibers from different years.
They were all complete fucking garbage.
>>30068888
dem quads
>>30072180
People praise the Thureon
Even though its the largest, heaviest, and ugliest of the bunch...
>>30072064
No experience unfortunately but I've been thinking about getting one. My front runner now is just to build an ar pistol in 9mm (is this an option in Canada?) But I'm not sure I'll be able to do it for under $1k so I may go with a cx 4 or cz scorpion instead. Both of those options are a bit pricey too, and I'm trying to buy some land so I should probably just shoot the guns I have, sadly.
>>30072465
You can make AR's in 9mm but they will be restricted and are pretty expensive here, most PPC will cost less.
>>30072465
I wouldnt go with skorpion
the ammo is harder to find/more expensive
Its restricted only. I think pinned to 5 rounds and has a shitty sight picture.
The folding stock does little to help, honestly easier to use as pistol
>>30072595
>cz scorpion
>hard to find ammo
>>30072595
>>30072621
You're talking about two separate firearms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWjJo2ccP-E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2AOIkSsj9k
.32 ACP *IS* pretty difficult to come by. Hell, just asking a shop for it when under the age of 80 will get you accused of illegal ownership of prohib pistols.
>>30063237
>>30063279
10/22 IMO
although i have reservations against the td model, it is more versatile than the sks. put a new trigger in it, put some glass on it, and you've got a pretty good rabbit hunting piece. or leave it totally stock and just plink.
the sks is the type of gun that if i had an enormous safe and already owned all the guns I wanted, I would consider buying if I could get it for $150. maybe the appeal is simply too esoteric, or maybe i don't appreciate muh slavshit to the same extent as /k/.
>>30072704
Think of an SKS as a spear that shoots bullets. It has a certain appeal for close quarters.
>>30071115
Do they come up on Gun Broker at all? Is there a Canadian gunparts website I might be able to get the stock set from?
>>30072695
Yep, I meant a new cz scorpion evo 3
>>30072725
fair enough
I should mention for the potential buyer that the sks also has a severely short LOP, which limits its use among lanky skellingtons, who seem to populate a good portion of the /k/ demographic (the other grand minority being hambeast neckbeards)
>>30072695
>>30072852
We don't have the new scorpion in Canada so I assumed you meant the old one
>>30063228
I have one that isn't threaded far enough to seat fully on my CSA Vz. I've heard they're great though, right now I have one of the more modern brakes on my Vz that I like well enough.
>>30072695
>.32 ACP *IS* pretty difficult to come by. Hell, just asking a shop for it when under the age of 80 will get you accused of illegal ownership of prohib pistols.
why wouldn't you just order online like a normal person
canada ammo has this shit and free shipping
>>30067343
Not one Lee Enfield in that pile, traitors.
>>30068821
>Open coffee cup on the dashboard
ABSOLUTE MADMAN!
>>30072853
My sks has a non matching stock which is also about and inch longer than standard (well compared to the other one the shop had) and I don't have a problem with LoP at6 4'.
But i did have to put the optic far back for prop eye relief
>>30073406
>modifying a $200 gun
how are so many people literal retards
How fast does shit normally go on the EE? I'm trying to sell or trade my Skorp.
>Local shops will Jew me if I try
>FB hates gun sales
>Friends aren't interested
>CGN is turbo-fudd
Fug. :DDDDD
>>30073424
>You can't modify a cheap gun!
Not him, but you're an asshat.
>>30073435
>CGN is turbo-fudd
Depends on which part of the board you're posting.
Go on the Red Rifle or Black Rifle sections and tell me that they're fudds.
Not to say it isn't infested with idiots, but they certainly aren't all fudds.
>>30072867
You mean one of the Slovakian style brakes?
I just want something to tame muzzle rise, god knows a 6Ibs 7.62 rifle has a shit ton of it.
modifying my 10/22...
should i put in a new trigger group ($300) or get a new stock ($180)
>>30073436
it's just an all around foolish thing to spend your money on
maybe i don't understand because i'm poor
>>30073478
If it makes it more functional, then there's nothing stupid about it.
What do you do for a living, Anon?
>>30073424
stay mad
>>30073495
i supervise at a small factory
to me it seems a waste to spend money on something that is essentially a gimmick, it's not going to work nearly as well as something designed for that purpose
that's what i mean when i say i guess if you're rich it makes sense as a toy, but otherwise i'd prefer to spend my money on something proper
>>30073424
>Putting a scope (a very appropraite scope too, I'm pretty sure Yugoslavians had SKS's with PSO's during the war) on a reasonably accurate rifle is bad
The only retarded thing I see here is the fact that they mounted it onto the fucking stock.
>>30073424
>>30073449
Well, that is true, maybe I'm being a bit unfair. I just want to sell this thing, and it seems like my options are limited.
Also, when selling it, how high is considered "too much"? New ones are $800-odd, and mine is pretty much new, less than 50rds through, finish is immaculate, and comes with 50 rds ammo and wood/polymer grips. Is $700 too much to ask?
>>30073527
>The only retarded thing I see here is the fact that they mounted it onto the fucking stock.
Its not like there's many other places to put a PSO on an SKS.
>>30073533
Start it at 750 (So you're not one of those assholes charging 100+% of original price), they'll bargain you down from there.
>>30073518
>>30073528
at least these are just for the fuck of it, not trying to be "functional"
>>30073527
it's an old shitty obsolete scope that was probably very expensive
>>30073560
>at least these are just for the fuck of it, not trying to be "functional"
here's a video of the guys who made that hi-point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjQk244oW9c
>>30073540
>he doesn't mount his PSO scope on the bolt carrier
>>30073543
I never got the "bargaining" thing. Why not just list it at what I want to get? I don't really feel like wasting time back and forth haggling.
And is it bad form to have the buyer pay shipping? I'm willing to drive out locally and drop it off, but it's a hassle to ship guns.
>>30073586
Because people always want a lower price.
Would you take an offer that was 5 dollars under your asking price?
If so, thats bargaining. And if 5 dollars, why not try for 10?
Good ranges in southern ontario?
NOT silverdale - that place is cucked to the extreme
>Shooters are permitted to load only one shell at a time when they are prepared to shoot unless shooting doubles, in which case two shells may be loaded
>>30073586
>And is it bad form to have the buyer pay shipping?
The buyer pays shipping in the overwhelming majoriy of remote transactions, gun or otherwise. What sane seller would eat the cost of shipping instead of rolling it into the final price?
All the stuff I've bought on CGN had shipping included in the end price.
>>30073923
Well every time I go, I load with five round chargers for the No. 4 and No.1 Mk.III. Or is the one round thing only for clays, cause I think thats the standard for shooting clays.
>>30074633
for the trap fields
i've shot at ranges out west where they dont give a fuck; people show up with those ridiculous miculek-esque 10+1 tubes and shoot clays
half the advantage and fun of a pump is the unlimited capacity, yet these cuck clubs insist on brown nosing break barrel shooters
>but muh safety
then make it a rule that all actions stay open unless shooting; that's way easier to enforce anyway than having the RSO babysit everybody loading shells and essentially become the fun police rather than a safety officer
jayzus!
>>30072064
Cheap & Ugly, but it works: Kel-Tec Sub-2000
Decent: TNW Aero Survival Rifle
Very expensive, but cool as fuck: KRISS Vector
If you're gonna get the Just Right Carbine, just make sure it's one of the newer models. Older models had feeding problems.
>>30073424
I'm still trying to figure out a way to make a Canada-legal Obrez. Once I figure it out, I'll be doing it.
>>30073586
>Why not just list it at what I want to get? I don't really feel like wasting time back and forth haggling.
You do it to actually MINIMIZE the haggling.
>say that you want to sell something for $700
>don't advertise it at $700
>start it at $750 or something
>someone will inevitably say "That's outrageous, I'll give you $700 for it!"
>congratulations, you've got what you wanted
>you might even get lucky and they might offer you $725, $730, etc.
What is the minimum length AR barrel you can rock in Canada?
>>30076003
4.25 inches
>>30075996
Well, I had one bite, but he may back out.
>Muh car windows got broken
Someone's offering me a Walther PPX Range Kit. I'm not sure how I feel about a Walther that looks like a Hi-Point.
Need help anon. Have a decent budget for a black death gun. Should I get a NON res ACR, or an XCR? Im not picky on caliber be it 556, 762x39 or .308 Or should I get a Norc m14 dressed up in m14.ca skirt?
I don't know why, but the ACR and XCR have always felt sketchy to me... though people claim they're some of the best non-restricted rifles available in Canada. Though personally, if I had the money I'd go for the M305 dressed up in m14.ca kit.
>>30076684
Depends on what you're gonna use your scurry black baby killer for.
If its just a range toy, the M14 is pretty aight, but if you're going out into the woods with it, its a bit on the pigfat side of things.
Never held an XCR, but the ACR seems handier.
>>30076610
>PPX
Why anyone would get one over a PPQ, I will never know.
>>30076610
>Someone's offering me a Walther PPX Range Kit. I'm not sure how I feel about a Walther that looks like a Hi-Point.
The PPX is a discontinued model. Nothing against the gun itself, but parts will be a bitch to find if something needs replacing.
And even then, the trade isn't worth it. You're trying to sell your shit for Skorpion for around $700, right? A PPX range kit is $540 brand new, and worth a lot less used.
Even if you actually wanted it, you're better off not doing the trade.
>>30076991
>*You're trying to sell your shit
or
>*You're trying to sell your Skorpion
This is what happens when you're slightly drunk while typing, and you're deciding between sounding like a bruh and sounding like a normal person
What should I add to the collection next?
>>30077233
Handfuns is that even a question
>>30077233
1911
IRG Just submitted a new SCAR design to the RCMP, wake me up in 4 years.
>>30077332
I'd totally buy a non-res SCAR-17, no question.
>>30076991
How about a new Glock 34? Someone just offered me that.
Sorry for asking all this, I just know much about handguns.
>>30077492
*dont know much
>>30077332
Always wanted a SCAR.
>>30070535
I have a buddy who has his renewal delayed for some reason. We have a system in place, where if he gets a knock on the door I'm to go to his place immediately and buy his guns from him.
>oh hi anon's friend, here is your cash and thank you for the receipt so nice of you to sell me all your guns at such a low price. Oh, hello RCMP, what are you doing here?
>>30077492
Canadaammo is selling G34s for $999. I imagine that's roughly market rate, so if your Skorpion is worth less than that to you, go for it.
>>30077703
Gen 4 G34s, that is. Don't know what earlier generations are going for.
>>30077492
>longslide glock
Fuck no
>>30073527
Not attached to the stock, the mount is drilled and tapped to the receiver and hangs down
And this is a stop gap while I wait to save for a vz58 to mount the scope to
>>30077848
They do look weird. Worst case, I trade it for a shorter slide version. It's unfired, new in box.
>>30077945
Except longslides are pointless, nobody would want it for trade. Its like trading a 9mm Glock for a .40 S&W one, nobody wants .40cals.
>>30077974
I know a few guys who shoot competition with the long slide versions. All a matter of preference.
My big concern is that he lives a long ways away. How would we go about such a trade?
>>30077492
A Glock 34 Gen 4 averages around $1000 brand new. Gen 3 is around $950 brand new.
I personally don't like G34s, but that doesn't mean you have to agree with me. At least you'd be trading into higher perceived value.
If you have the time & patience, you can try the Straw Millionaire approach and just keep selling & selling, and end up with more money than you started with.
>>30078038
Aren't many Glock slides/frames interchangable anyway? I could just buy a different slide/barrel.
>>30077974
Longslides are great if it's going to be a range gun (which in Canada, is always the case short of illegal concealed carry). Dat extra muzzle velocity and sight radius...
>>30076003
No barrel as long as you call it a rifle. 4.25" if you call it a pistol.
>As far as I know there isn't a minimum barrel length for rifles.
I'm thinking about buying a nugget and installing a Monte Carlo stock to bring as a bush gun. What are /k/anadian's opinions of the Monte Carlo stock? Is there a better option for a budget bush rifle in a full size cartridge?
>>30078550
>No barrel
What's the legality of shooting a firearm without a barrel? Assume that classification matters little, and all other known legal parameters are met.
Cutting a barrel too short is illegal. Owning certain short-barreled handguns are illegal.
Disassembling a gun is perfectly legal, therefore removing a barrel is legal, so long as you don't reduce its length too much.
But what about assembling your gun sans barrel, and shooting it at an approved gun range?
>>30078601
If you screwed a nut into the spot where the barrel normally goes you could call it a factory barrel. Which is legal because reasons.
>But don't you dare cut down the barrel, you have to buy it that way
>>30078580
What exactly defines a bush gun, anyway?
I hear that term a lot, but I don't actually know what qualifies as one.
>>30078627
No specific description, but basically it's a lightweight but powerful gun, usually something like a .44 ranch hand or a short barrel shotgun with slugs, that you can bring in the woods for protection from animals.
>>30067343
when and where????
>>30078627
>short
>light
>good peep sights/ghost ring
>repeating
>powerful
The quintessential brush gun is an older 1895 Marlin guide in hot-loaded 45-70 or .450 Marlin with XS sights or something.
>>30077233
>such aesthetic
>>30067343
fucking email me
i don't want to miss another one
>>30073454
Yeah, one of those. There actually isn't a lot of muzzle rise on the Vz in general, I found, but the Slovak brakes do an amazing job of minimizing it and I'd actually recommend it over the Czech SF one.
>>30065486
I second this. The K31 is an incredibly fun rifle to shoot and an incredibly well-built military rifle. You won't regret it.
>>30078528
So I am going to go through with the trade. Problem is, I've never done a long-distance trade before. How does one do it without being futtbuckered by the Law, and how do I confirm he isn't a scammer?
>>30081602
Is this a guy from cgn, or just some random? If the former, he may have feedback if he bought stuff before. And you should both wait for the registration shit to go through the RCMP before shipping to each other.
>>30081962
Random. We exchanged RPAL and driver's license photos, and I did call the workplace he posted to verify, and it seems legit. Guess it's safe to go through with.
What's the cheapest/safest way to ship firearms? I'm in Edmonton, and he's in Thunder Bay.
>>30082016
Canada Post is most common.
>>30073923
That rule applies to what? Silverdale seems like a good all around range with multiple rifle range distances though.
>>30072064
Just bought a cx4 from P&D. Came to 1360 with tax. Haven't shot it yet but it came with an extra mag which cost $85 which is silly
Let's say you have to defend yourself in your home with an AR. The police take your gun for evidence? Would they take the entire gun or can you just strip as much as possible off the lower and hand them that since that's what is considered the gun? Is this a stupid question?
>>30083397
They'll probably take the whole AR.
They may take everything else too.
>>30083397
They'd take every firearm you own until you're ruled innocent.
If found guilty you go to jail a long time and never see your guns ever again
>>30083397
They'll take the entire gun (and the rest of them too, since you're now a suspect in a homicide until the court case is settled), because you would basically have no time to strip everything before they arrive.
If confiscation happened and they were going around taking people's ARs, then you could supply them with a stripped lower, since you can plausibly deny that you possess any of the other components. But in the case of home defense, it's hard to assert that you sold the upper to Mike from Canmore between the time that you shot the guy and the time the cops showed up.
>>30072778
Dunno, I'm from canda. Theres nowhere I can find that sells them, only Canada Ammo as part of the complete rifle.
>>30079628
Give me an email then
>>30067692
Care to enlighten a few ignorant canucks on the obstacles?
>>30084370
Not him but i live in parkland County and my dad tried building a 80ft range from two shipping containers, and they said he would have to spend a minimum of $250 thousand per container to meet their standards cause hed have to comply with a bunch of by laws, and it would have to be inspected monthly which is 500$ a month, and since he would be using pistols hed have to register it as a shooting range and all that which cost more, they literally do it cause they dont want shooting ranges existing unless youre insanely rich
>>30075949
Wouldn't a tok barrel work?
They're both 7.62
>>30084934
Chamber is the completely wrong size. You could just get a custom barrel made and stuck into the receiver.
>>30084257
What province are these meetups in?
Ontariofag reporting in.
>>30085283
Ontariofag here as well, reporting.
>>30085283
Alberta but something came up so it might be postponed until whenever.
>>30085429
I'll attend if it's close to Calg
>>30085443
It is not
>>30083397
In this context, it's a general criminal investigation, and not necessarily specific to anything.
Let's say that instead of shooting your intruder with an AR, you bonked him on the head with a vacuum cleaner. Do you think they're gonna take the whole vacuum cleaner as evidence, or do you think they're going to just detach the power head and take that?
>>30087212
Entire vacuum cleaner. Something along the lines of "all one chunk of evidence."
Alright Canada, let's say that hell freezes over, and ARs become Non-Restricted.
How are they going to enforce this?
If you're building your own AR, you have to inform the RCMP that you're intending on doing so. From my understanding, you're also responsible for engraving the serial number on it.
So, if you still have to inform the RCMP every time you start milling an AR lower, and you still have to tell them the serial number, what good is the non-restriction? The RCMP more or less has your AR in a makeshift registry.
Granted, they won't ever record your serial number in the "REAL" restricted firearms registry, but you only have their word that they won't.
Yes, a non-restricted AR would mean that you at least get to take it to the woods and hunt coyotes with it, but you're still not getting the full meal deal here.
If E-111 succeeds, it seems like only pre-built ARs will be truly non-restricted. Currently existing ARs would be ex-restricteds, and new builds would be recorded indirectly.
>>30087411
ALL guns in Canada prior to 2012 are "ex-restricted", unless they were not registered back in the day.
There is no way they know you still own the AR after you mention it to them, since you could sell it the next day.
>>30087269
Imagine being a cop in the Home Alone universe.
>okay, so a couple of idiot home invaders just had their plans foiled by an 8-year old kid
>still have to do all the due diligence and properly investigate the crime scene
>this little shit managed to clonk one of them in the head with an iron
>that is tied to a string
>which is wrapped around the ceiling fan
>which then leads to a doorknob
>he also managed to slow them down a bit with marbles, thumbtacks, toy cars, etc.
>fuck, all of this is evidence
>goddammit Eddie, I'm two weeks away from retirement, I am not hauling all this shit back to the station
>fuck I dunno, just write the whole house off as evidence
>did you just say one of these fuckers also managed to slip on the snow on the driveway?
>FUCK
So I just got my first gun, a Ruger 10/22, and was wanting to get some tech sights for it. Are the tech sights with the rail any good? I've heard some say that they're shit, but I'd like to have the peep sights while still being able to mount a little optic of some kind in the future.
Another question, local gun shop has a Ruger 22/45 Lite in Gold Anodized for $529? I'm still waiting on my range membership to show up so I can actually have my fucking membership number, but does the pistol sound worth it at that price?
>>30087521
You can buy real pistols around that price range. I wouldn't buy a .22 pistol for that price.
>>30087540
So what is a good .22 pistol that's good and inexpensive?
>>30087482
KEK
>>30077233
T97
>>30087482
Haha yeah. In ridiculous scenarios like marbles and slippery sidewalks they usually just take crime scene photos to be used as evidence I believe.
>>30079460
>hot loads in a lever action
i wouldn't, but ok.
>>30077233
You could start by not putting shit in trigger guards.
Prop guns up with something under the gun, hidden from view.
>>30087878
Marlin 1895 have a specific section in reloading manuals, dude.
>>30087878
Pussy, marlins are built for it
>>30077233
more shotguns
>>30087551
browning buckmark is the best
>>30083397
Basic rule in both Canada and USA (not sure about rest of the world): never attach an accessory to a home defense firearm that you do not feel comfortable losing. The accessory may go missing while in police evidence, it may get banged up, it might take years to get returned to you, etc.
>>30087891
>>30087897
if you say so
>>30084473
>>30084370
Not either anon but if you are within city limits, most cities prohibit firearms discharge except for farming purposes and defense of life (from animal or home invasion). Most places in Southern Ontario are within city limits.
>>30087411
>if you're building your own AR, you have to inform the RCMP that you're intending on doing so
How could they possibly know and enforce this?
>>30087880
Nothing wrong with propping them up through the trigger guards, if you're taking low-effort photos.
>>30088522
>Nothing wrong with propping them up through the trigger guards
It's ugly as shit.
Nth times the charm.
Is anyone here in/was in the Armoured Corp? Looking to enlist as Armoured Soldier. I was told I'd get some sort of say as to going to Edmonton or Petawawa, but I'm skeptical and think they're just trying to fuck me over.
>>30088534
>low effort
Key word. Some people don't want to waste time looking for hideable props when you can just jam a pen through the trigger guard.
Regardless, it's still a step up from guns flat on the beige carpet with anon's toes in the bottom of the photo, as is /k/ustomary.
>>30088522
>How could they possibly know and enforce this?
They can't, of course.
But then again, if you don't care enough to follow the legal steps and build an illegal AR anyway, chances are you aren't going to give much of a shit about its classification.
My question had more to do with how things would work for law-abiding citizens.
>>30088558
>low effort
It's literally as hard as sticking shit in the trigger guard but it doesn't look like blue waffles. Propping the gun up properly is no different in effort and if you have trouble putting something under the gun instead of in the trigger guard you should be careful when walking around. You know, because walking and breathing would need to happen simultaneously, that would probably give you some trouble.
>>30088611
you seem upset, friend
>>30088683
My inner /p/ autism just came out of nowhere.
>>30065704
>Baikal Viking
Fjallraven or TAD for quality, Old Navy cargos for cheap.
And don't forget your rifle or you'll get bear raped
Does anyone know the final response for the E-111 petition, I remember it went to the government to be presented but I don't recall anything really happening over it or an official response.
>And while you're at it, does anyone know when C-230 is supposed to finish up it's second reading and get voted on?
>>30077854
How do you mount that scope to a CSA vz 58? Mine has to holes for mounting the standard CSA side mount. Would that fit the mount that comes with scope?
>>30088705
TAD isn't quality. The seams break with far too much ease
Is the Match 1919 good senpai?
>>30089096
I got one, and although I like it it has flaws and to be honest I don't feel it's worth the money.
http://www.operatorchan.org/k/res/96833.html
>>30089161
Looks like a lot of tinkering had to be done. How noob friendly is this thing?
>>30089238
As a range toy it's simple and fun. Takedown and stuff is easy. Tactical Imports will bend over backwards to help you with warranty stuff should it arise.
I'm just a little picker about the details of the goings-on in moving bits. I practically come with a warning label of "might void your warranty all night long" or something.
Do I recommend it?
Ehhh... If you have a thousand bucks to blow, and this is really up your alley... Even then there's a new semi-auto-box-mag that came out, the name escapes me, I think it's a little cheaper.
Gimme a sec I'll find the thing I'm thinking about.
>>30089238
>>30089270
Ah, here we go. Uzkon and Derya are other options but I haven't heard much or seen them IRL. They're for sale in Canada though.
>>30087411
>>30087465
>>30088590
AR is NEVER going to be Non-Restricted, and it has nothing to do with being scurry salt raffle or librulz hatin' on freedumz
it's literally just a matter of it impacting too many other major aspects of gun law to be allowed -- the key being barrel length on center-fired semis, that separate Restricted and Non-restricted.
AR, being a modular system, with lower receiver counting as the official "firearm" part and the upper being an accessory, means that if AR went NR, it would only be ARs with barrels over 18.5" length, any shorter center-fired semi barrel supposed to make that rifle Restricted
but the issue with AR is that it makes that entire law invalid, because you can get 11" upper regardless of your license class and then swap it out with your 18.5" upper, going back and forth between R and NR on a whim, with no way to monitor or enforce the barrel length classification.
>tl;dr: they're not gonna give you NR ARs and break the barrel length restriction laws in the process, that's why they let you have NR Modern Varminter that is incompatible with AR uppers/lowers and comes in only one barrel length, which is NR
>>30089692
I highly doubt it's the barrel that's the issue.
As an example, the BRS-99 is a firearm that is legally sold in Canada as both NR and R. Its classification depends on barrel length.
If you swap the barrels on a BRS-99, you technically have to register it within 30 days. No big deal, you can either be a cuck and register it, or you can just change it back to the NR barrel before the 30 days is up.
Heck, I've heard of people taking their NR BRS-99 to the range, putting on an R barrel, shoot it, switch it back to its original NR barrel, and going back home for the day. No registration, no ATT, no bullshit.
If you can already do class-changing barrel swaps on other guns that are legally sold in Canada, why would the AR be any different in this regard?
>>30089294
>>30089270
thank bru
>>30089843
yeah, but this is an obscure (Polish, if I remember right), pistol-caliber weird-thing that has little popularity and mixed reviews at best
the reason you can buy the R barrel for it is probably more to do with the fact that the crown doesn't know enough about it to shut it down. AR on the other hand is easily the most popular modern sporting rifle in North America -- allowing it to go the same route would indeed render the barrel length law obsolete
>was BRS sold with both length barrels or something, but not as an R firearm? sounds more like something that went under the radar than purposefully allowed
>>30088999
See the OP
>E-111
ill post something there when they Gov gives their official response. They have 45 calender days from its submission to the Senate so they have till June 27 to respond to it.
>C-230
Has been abandoned and will not come to a second vote unless someone re-sponsors it. It has 6 more "Seatings" of the Senate before it is tossed. This should be sometime next month IIRC.
>>30089980
The BRS was sold as R and NR with extra barrels sold on the side.
>>30090000
I'm assuming if the crown's cavalry ever needed to look into it, all they would have to do is get TacImport's sales thought the CRA records and see who bought the R barrels
>pretty much what will eventually happen to all the 80 AR lowers
>>30090172
But are companies required to keep detailed sales records of unserialized firearms parts. I would think not.
>>30090323
no, but they are required to pay their taxes, which means they account for everything they spent money on and everything they sold, with receipts and records of transactions, which would include items sold, to whom and probably shipping information all in one simple piece of paper
normally all of that info would be collecting dust at the revenue agency, but if anyone is interested in who bought what, I doubt this CRA would make a big fuss about not giving those records over, since it's one gov't agency cooperating with the other
>New CPC firearms party policy
http://calibremag.ca/cpc-convention-2016-firearms-policy-proposal/
>Streamlined Classification
--Full auto prohib
--Sawed off less than 26" OAL prohib
--SBR restricted (Anything under 26" OAL)
--Handgun restricted
--Everything else NR
Its quite possible that the following will be restored to normal classifications
12.3 converted auto
12.4/5 named prohibited
12.6/7 shortbarreled and 25/32 cal pistols
It also seems possible that 12.2 will be able to be grandfathered.
>>30089692
You can buy SBR barrels shotguns, Tavors, XCRs, ACRs, etc. and they all swap in very easily. That's a trash argument.
>>30090464
I fucking wish that becomes a reality.
>carrying your AR SBR in the bush
Muh dick
>>30089692
That's a dumb argument. There are already rules in place that account for the changing of classifications because of a change in barrel length, and there are tons of rules the RCMP can't really enforce unless they happen to stumble across someone at the exact right time.
>>30090000
>>C-230
>Has been abandoned and will not come to a second vote unless someone re-sponsors it. It has 6 more "Seatings" of the Senate before it is tossed. This should be sometime next month IIRC.
You're thinking of S-223, done up by the crazy lady who retired. I'm asking about the one that defines the word "variant" in the criminal code as it relates to firearms.
>>30092007
Hear, hear.
Hell, just changing the stock on a lot of our firearms (Think the Dominion Arms Grizzlies) can change your gun from NR to R.
>>30090464
Woudlnt that be lovely..
>>30090464
So simple even a cop could understand it!
>>30092350
>cops
>understanding the simplest of firearms law
Hahahaha
>>30089843
Thanks for the extra barrels, Radom, now how about extra magazines? I bitch about the price of Beretta mags, but at least I can find them.
>>30092104
Thats what I get for posting at 4am
>>30088999
>C-230 correction
Has had its second reading but did not have enough time to come to a vote so I has be placed back into the order of precedence. Since there is no fixed time on how long the items ahead of it are worked on the next time it comes up is estimated to be as early as June 7.
Oh man CGN bubba's are the best.
>>30093864
Couldn't have even taken the time to fashion a nice muzzle cap to connect the stock and barrel.
hey /k/anada
Where get 18.5" AR-15 barrel? Cheaper the better.
>>30094529
18.5" is not a common ar-15 barrel length. Your choice is 18 or 20 and as some anons can tell you good luck finding a cheap 20".
NEA 18" $230 (+10% till monday with "Friday" code)
http://www.theammosource.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14_288_289&products_id=3210
>>30094610
>18 with midlength
Fuck that.
I'm not picky about 18.5 versus other, just longer than 16. 20" is fine, anything cheap. Fucking canada nigger bullshit I hate this country so goddam much why is guns so hard in this retarded hellhole ajhdajhksdkjahsdkj;haskl;jdh
>>30094610
>+10% till monday with "Friday" code
oh snap there's a sale?
Does it apply to ammo?
>>30094700
Lol
>>30094700
That one cheap as shit take off Norinco 20" is still on canam
https://www.canadaammo.com/product/detail/dominion-arms-da-556-20-barrel/
>>30094744
Everythings is on sale except Colt, TNW, Cadex firearms. Vortex optics and gift cards
>>30094758
Thanks.
>>30085283
Ontario meetup when?
