Why hasn't anyone made a good 9mm bullpup carbine yet?
For whatever reason the firearms community is obsessed with super compact PCCs right now. Make one with sleek looks, ambi controls, and a $1200 msrp and people will fall over each other trying to get hold of it.
>>30042153
No one wants to shoot an anemic round.
>>30042287
Explain the 9mm carbine/sbr craze then.
>>30042312
>cheapest centerfire ammo there is
>low recoil
>cheap ammo
>performs reasonably well out of long barrels
>cheap ammo
Did I mention 9mm is the cheapest centerfire cartridge?
>>30042153
because it would probably be heavy and if people want something super compact there's other solutions out there, there really just isn't a market for bullpup 9mm's out there.
>>30042335
Are you contradicting yourself on porpoise.
Want a cheap nigger 9mm carbine?
Hi Point.
Want a nicer one?
9mm AR.
>>30042153
>9mm
>carbine
>>30042673
I don't think you know what that word means.
>>30042634
nigga those ain't short
>>30042153
Don't they make a 9mm Vector?
although thats not really a bullpup
>>30042634
beretta storm is another option at around $550.
id really like to get a PCC but i dont want to spend that much on a fun gun. $500 max maybe.
it seems like hi point is the only option (i dont want to pay $500 for a marlin camp carbine either).
>>30042153
>Gun has to be 26" overall
>16" barrel
>the only point of making a bullpup is having a small gun
>9x19 carbines where the mag is in the grip are about as tiny as you can legally get without needing SBR paperwork.
No point.
>>30043283
>around $550
On a cold day in hell, sure.
>>30043290
>9x19 carbines where the mag is in the grip are about as tiny as you can legally get without needing SBR paperwork
Except they're not.
>>30043321
except they are.
Pull up one bullpup carbine that gets smaller.
>>30043330
Bullpups come in at 26" on the nose.
>>30043498
What do you think that long barrel is for? getting pussy?
The uzi clones have those long ass barrels because it's too short otherwise. go any more and you need paperwork.
>>30042287
9mm is not anemic, it's just fine for it's intended use at close range.
>>30043552
The long barrel is to meet barrel length reqs, not OAL reqs.
That one has an OAL of 31.5
>>30043271
What is the definition for a gun like that with a sort of diagonally balanced center of gravity? I never really thought of that.
Do they define that from a vertical aspect like "this is where the mag ends, so its a bullpup"?
Or is it literally just "mag towards the front vs. mag towards the back" and a Vector is a midrange since it sort of is everywhere?
>>30043626
That's because of the barrel.
a bullpup would be no different, because of the 16 inch requirement which adds to overall length. otherwise the gun is 23" overall.
but that's with the stock extended. a bullpup doesn't get that luxury becasuse it's receiver will be in the stock. but it'll still have to have a 16" barrel and 26" overall
see>>30043238
This is a dedicated 9x19 bullpup. it beats the century uzi (with it's stock extended) by 3 or so inches.
but it's much fatter.
>>30043708
"Gimmick"
>>30043762
You're not understanding. It isn't the barrels fault, it's the stocks. At 26" oal and 16" bbl a bullpup carbine will be shorter than that uzi, without NFA paperwork, by 5.5".
The x95, ksg, RDB, and a few others have achieved that already, with ~17-18" barrels even.
>>30043767
Expand on that....
>>30044046
Trigger group is behind the magwell, so it's traditional. A wibbly wobbly traditional.
>>30044125
Gotcha, so you meant gimmick like "ok sure its a 22, but look, it looks like an M4 so gimme more money".
When it comes to guns Im pretty stupid about appearances. I mean Im stupid enough that I'd rather have a gun that looks unnesscessarily tacticool....up until the manufacturer throwing pieces together with 1/3rd the time money and effort sells it at a price that emulates the value of the real thing.
Im cool with bullpups and gimmicky shit, until the gimmick is so.....gimmicky that it kills the primary function of the gun. I keep watching reviews for various pistol to rifle conversion kits and they all seem to have the false (due to particular sponsored gun reviewers fear of people no longer receiving free stuff/due to fear of losing sponsorship) narrative of "ok so it may look like im having trouble with this thing reloading/jamming/cycling but im sure its just my fault".
A chrome plated 1911 is real neat looking, but in my hands a 22 pistol is more consistently accurate at long range. I just love pinging the last and most popular metal plates at the end of a 200m range during a rare lull in gunfire just to show off, I like the gun to look tacticool, but I will cut off at either "tacticool plus unrealistic price" or "tacticool plus unrealistic use/increased jamming rate".
That said, Ive always wanted to see the side-by-side difference in ammo layout between a modern bullpup, a vector, and an mp5 or something similar. Just in slow motion to test the difference round by round as the balance changes per shot with a new round pushing up and the weight reduction from each round popping out.
Id bet the vector has at least some small advantage to a sort of diagonal mag load. I can see all the imaginary slow motion diagrams in my head right now, but itd take years of typing to explain what im thinking of...
>>30044125
it's the gimmick that it reduces upward travel?
Honestly I just like the look it it, I'd like to own a SBR with the folding stalk
>>30044550
not the guy but...
Oh then you might actually like the pistol to carbine converters. Then again the money it takes to do that (in the right way) sort-of eliminates the savings you'd get from just buying a real deal SBR. I mean unless there's a good glock copy out there somewhere that fits with the original, something tells me its proprietary enough that itd be hard to find a legit knock-off company thats big enough to legitimately sell it though.
Then again if you're wondering where the crux of the recoil is being diminished its in those special absorbers inside the box of the Vector, you wont get that from any old pistol to rifle conversion kit. You could get some lookalikes though for cheap if youre creative about sourcing the right parts.
I never got how airsoft parts couldnt at least adapt to non-moving parts, or maybe some of the guys at the range are using tacticool super-rail'd accessories are just passing off knock-offs as the real thing?
>>30044550
The recoil mitigation compared to other designs is essentially fuckall. The vector is a barrel full of NEAT but PCCs, especially in semi auto, don't jump around to begin with.
>>30043283
>$550
>$1300 syrup bucks is the cheapest I've seen up here
Kill me now famalamadingdong
>>30047615
Gotta pay that non-restricted tax :^)
>>30042153
>Why hasn't anyone made a "GOOD" 9mm bullpup carbine yet?
>a "GOOD" 9mm
Posts hookless bait and gets responses
>>30049433
Post some then.
got my cmmg lower at the shop now in 9mm
fags
>>30044520
It'd take years of therapy for all that autism, buddy. What the fuck was i just reading.
>>30042153
>9mm bullpup
why would anybody want that ?
it's not like you need the barrel length difference of 4 inches compared to a standard rifle design
>>30050454
19" OAL SBRs.
>>30050458
just buy a micro Uzi with a folding stock
pic related is 22" OAL
>>30050475
The idea is keeping and using the stock. Otherwise stick to pistols.
>>30042673
ok, propose another name for pistol cartrigde semi-auto gun with stock and +14 inches barrel
>>30050488
it's a pistol caliber carbine
thus a carbine
don't mind the shitposting of other people
