>Obama lifts U.S. arms ban on Vietnam
quick /k/, what should we buy for the next proxy war with China
American aircraft come first
>>30040002
TOW missiles, manpads, NVG
>>30040002
Thuds.
Its like poetry, it rhymes.
>>30040002
Used Navy ships.
f-15s.
>>30040002
what is vietnam using in the way of small arms anyway?
also, possibly communication equipment
>>30040002
Patriots, if you can get them. China has a lot of planes and a lot of SAMs, best if you can just deny the air to everyone, per Soviet doctrine.
>>30040039
Patriots suck.
>>30040012
>TOW missiles
maybe, the top attack version look interesting
>manpads,
maybe, Russian Manpads are better though
> NVG
they are not arm, and we already make Russian gen 3 NVG
>>30040018
we need light multil role fighter, not heavy fighter
>>30040021
we use old Soviet and China small arm
domestic produce AKM, soviet design machine gun, XM177e2 and Galil ACE
Picrelated
>>30040039
we already have S-300 and Israel SAM
Japgraded f-16s
Lots of missles.
Abrams.
Ships.
>>30040050
They don't suck. Being outclassed by top Russian models doesn't make them inherently shit.
>>30040053
I thought you only had two units of S-300? I'd definitely get more of those over Patriots. I'd get a lot of them.
M14's
M16's
M60's
a best of collection of CCR
>>30040002
ACOGs, Aimpoints.
>>30040069
>I thought you only had two units of S-300?
yep, and we also have upgraded S75 and S125, they are capable system
we also have Israel SAM, deployed to our island in South China Sea
what we lack are ship with anti aircraft capability
Arleigh Burke maybe
>>30040089
why would we need old small arm?
>>30040061
Jap don't sell their aircraft and American heavy tank is not suitable for Vietnam
How's life in vietnam?
It's clear they didn't go batshit like North Korea, but is it a shithole like China?
Do people still step on ancient AT mines and long forgotten punji pits?
>>30040166
>It's clear they didn't go batshit like North Korea, but is it a shithole like China?
some part of china is shit hole, some aren't
Vietnam is the same
and we have been infected with fast food franchise
>Do people still step on ancient AT mines and long forgotten punji pits?
no
>>30040069
>
land based SM-3 is better
>>30040183
>Ronald Mcvietdonald will never tell you to fight capitalist pigdogs with processed food.
Why live?
>>30040196
>Why live?
to eat more healthy food
>>30040183
>no
not really cunt
The mine stepping shit still happen from time to time, but now most of the accidents related to old ordnance are caused by people attempt in extracting the explosive inside for selling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdRZf41DBwY
happened a few months ago
>>30040204
Pathetic post.
>>30040209
>not really cunt
he carry a fucking naval mine to 100km inland and saw the fucking thing
obviously he never step on it
>>30040222
>i don't like real food the post
>>30040209
Holy shit that literally Afghanistan tier
>>30040002
Do you mean what should we sell?
>>30040249
no, i am pretty sure you will consider us as an alliance on the next proxy war with china
that mean we can buy every thing
>>30040053
>Russian NVGs good enough to be called 3rd Gen
AYYY LMAO
>>30040643
They do have them, they're just not widespread like most of the cheaper stuff they have.
>>30040204
The thing on the right looks tasty. Reminds me of a biscuit. What kind of bread? How is it prepared?
>>30040204
>healthy food
>monkey testicle soup.
>>30040002
anything that can drop napalm.
just for the irony factor.
>Obama visits Vietnam
>Immediately meets with dissidents and anti-communist critics
wew lad.
Way to scare the Vietnamese Communist Party from getting too cozy with the US.
They might want weapons, but their main goal still is regime stability. They will soon see that all US weapon sales are always with political strings attached and always aim at overthrowing your regime in the end.
>>30040050
>Patriots suck.
That's not Brady's fault. He needs a good set of receivers.
>>30040183
>Vietnam has McDonalds, so they are not communist anymore and will be our friend!
Pic: China.
You point?
>>30040688
>getting to remove chicoms and ricefarmer faggots innaabrams
nam part 2 when?
>>30040688
I don't see why we shouldn't increase relations with every SEA country, Vietnam is no exception. What do we get out of a power vacuum Vietnam, China wanting to grasp that power themselves?
>>30040673
looks like what would happen if you tried to make french toast out of an english muffin / IE egg-soaked english muffin
>>30040698
Never.
Because the Vietnamese Communist Party still deems the US political influence and attempts to Colour-Revolutionize them as a bigger threat than China's attempt to grab some actually uninportant islands.
With China, there are at least negotiations and talks. But with the US, they will only have democraization atempts and funding of dissident groups that will stage protests and attempt to overthrow the ruling commist party of Vietnam.
Point is, despite island dispute, the Vietnamese government is still closer politically to China than to the US. Both are communist dictatorships and both fear nothing more than to end up like Ceausescu, Saddam, Gadhaffi etc.
>>30040696
I like how China is BTFO all conventional wisdoms and theories that Americans and Westeners so far have spread; something about how 'no two countries with McDonalds will ever go to war', and how 'capitalism brings peace and understanding'.
Pic related is part of the city center of a not even Tier-1 city in China.
The majority of China's cities are already like this. This is a fact. I just came from there early this year.
China shows how economic growth and capitalism and western popular culture will not bring automatic understanding with the US. But that global rivalry will alwas happen, regardless of economic or political system. Because the world is only that large and a Hegemon like the US or China will never tolerate each other in their sphere of influence.
>>30040204
Ain't gonna lie that looks good.
>>30040760
Looks nice, that in Sichuan?
>>30040776
Yes, Chengdu.
That Panda is a giveaway
>>30040002
F-16s, M2 Brownings (can never have enough), Javelins, TOWs, Stingers
>>30040721
>I know nothing of Sino-Vietnamese relations and instead base everything off of muh communism
You're one of the fools that would have thought that China was the USSR's biggest ally.
I think we still have some old Spruance class DDGs in mothballs we could sell to Vietnam. Combined with a decent helicopter they'd be good platforms for ASW, and they have AShM launchers and Tomahawks for surface and land targets. The V-22 would put a bunch of the islands in helicopter range for infantry drops.
>>30040779
>hey, we have all this extra budget money
>we could use it to unfuck our country and citizens
>nah fuck that lets build a giant panda climbing a building
>>30040801
>Sprucans
Eh, you're looking too far back. Think of the Perry's that are were relatively recently decommed and in mothballs right now.
>>30040779
The place where the J-10, J-20 are made.
>>30040803
Yeah because an international shopping center's task is to unfuck citizens
>>30040803
They are Keynesians.
Better build a fucking panda, because this provides jobs for the people.
On the Philippine Front: Based Duterte has won
http://gulftoday.ae/portal/d2ac8b27-3ccd-4ab7-8c6a-94ae5026a8e5.aspx
>China stops harassing Filipino fishermen: Officials
>MANILA: China has stopped harassing Filipinos from using their traditional fishing ground in a disputed shoal in the South China Sea apparently due to a “paradigm shift” in the position taken by Davao City Mayor Rodrigo Duterte, the presumptive president, to resolve the issue, two officials confirmed on Saturday.
>“The situation at the Scarborough Shoal has dramatically changed,” Professor Rommel Banlaoi, the head of the Philippine Institute for Peace, Violence and Terrorism Research, told GMA News.
>>30040760
>I like how China is BTFO all conventional wisdoms and theories that Americans and Westeners so far have spread; something about how 'no two countries with McDonalds will ever go to war', and how 'capitalism brings peace and understanding'.
>.5 cent shills don't even know the difference between democracy and capitalism
as expected from communist shitholes
>>30040803
Why are you so dumb?
>>30040872
A democracy that is completely independent from the US, i.e. that is not influenced by the US NGOs, is also playing the great power game.
See, Russia.
Yes, Putin was actually elected by the people. What he does might not be liked by the US, but that's democracy as well. The Russian people want Crimea back, and Putin does it.
>>30040760
>I like how China is BTFO all conventional wisdoms and theories that Americans and Westeners so far have spread; something about how 'no two countries with McDonalds will ever go to war', and how 'capitalism brings peace and understanding'.
That theory only held true, because all western or eastern democracies were allies or occupied dependencies of the US (like Japan or West Germany). So, of course allies and vassals never fight wars against each other.
But if there's an independent capitalist democracy that isnt allied with the US and has territorial interests that collide with the US or any western ally, war will happen.
See, Falklands.
>>30040872
>forgetting that in the last 20 years, it always have been democracies who started wars agaisnt non-democracies, and not vice versa.
As expected of a brainwashed americunt, who voted for Bush, Obama and soon Clinton.
>>30040760
I have to disagree. On an individual level there is competition, but on a macro level, we understand each other (us/china) implicitly. Our philosophies are converging, and we continue to entangle. There is a rivalry, but also a cooperation, and it is totally a cultural double-think, but it works. The US and China are both aware that going to war is not profitable, but building for war is. Building for war also has added benefits of creating a force that can ensure global hegemony, and prevent rivals from even trying to compete in an effective manner.
The United States NEEDS China to grow as a military power, because it helps to do a few major things. Solidify our own population against a common rival, the non thinking rubes who need something to rally around, it is the same for them. Next, it forces our allies to consolidate and quit trying to do their own thing, they have to take a side and fall into line, and now the choices are quite polarized. There is a global plan, it works, just quit fighting it and move forward.
Finally, you have your hard and soft approach. The undeveloped world needs iron rule, they don't understand or respect any other method, and it will take several generations of reeducation to bring them up to speed. The US gets to manage the developed world and sort of developed areas like India, China takes on Africa and South America. We all get resources and grow.
Every new technology made to compete with the US spurs domestic development, which in turn propels the US forward in technological capability.
The above is not exactly the main thought, but it is at least a secondary or tertiary result of the current geopolitics, and all sides involved are quite aware of it.
Protip: I have been given one US dollar, and 3.28 Yuan by the Illuminati.
Best not sell them anything sensitive, bet their officer Corp is full of Chinese moles
>>30040854
LaughingMiltonFriedman.webm
>>30040923
Russia is not a democracy
>>30040089
Underrated post
>>30040930
>our own population
?
The elites in the west have not believed "Our population" is even a thing for the last 70 years
The west will be collapsing into civil war soon enough
>>30040930
>it will take several generations of reeducation
Fucking hell li jhang, I know you're trying to talk about cooperation but you fucking gooks and your mindset are scary.
>>30040884
>elected
>over 100% voter turnout
>>30040923
too bad neither of you figured out that your quote was all kinds of wrong because you're a retard educated in GLORIOUS PEOPLES TRAKTOR FACTORY
>>30040002
These.
>>30040002
What kind of mil-surp can we expect to hit the market?
>>30040673
>>30040768
Victor non Charlie here. That great meal is called "Bánh Căn" (Căn Cake, pronounce it like Kahn) here. Only available in the Southern Central 'Nam (near that deep water port the US and Ruskies keep wanting.)
Basically a biscuit-sized rice pancake, cooked on a coal stove in a biscuit-sized clay pot , then served with meatballs and sweetened fish sauce. 2 dish should be good for dinner.
>>30040684
>Monkey Testicle
So you eat your mother's noodly pubes with Monkey Testicles?
F35
>>30040002
F-16Vs and F15SAs would be a good buy.
Semi-auto K50M when?
>>30041312
double stack 7.62x25 Tokarev
Vietnamese AKM
>>30041403
we don't make 7.62 smg anymore
that thing in your is a relic
>>30040696
Good thing China isn't communist then.
>>30040002
290 PREDATOR B FAMAS
+15 SCAN EAGLE
+5 AWACS
+150 NASAMS 2
+2220 WIESEL 2
MODERN ARMY DONE
>>30041565
>+2220 WIESEL 2
I wonder how many Vietnamese fit in one Wiesel?
>>30041586
Round tree fiddy
>>30040264
>I am pretty sure
Hahahaa no
We have no alliance with you guys. And this arms embargo has essentially been lifted since 2012. Vietnam doesn't have the money to buy our high-tech weapons with anyways.
>>30041639
sorry
but we been buying weapon from the Jew and European the whole time
it is not about money, it is about your congress being butthurt man children
>>30040706
I don't know, maybe the fact Vietnam is ruled by the Vietnamese version of the Communist party.
It's like China 2.0
But poorer.
>>30040002
>Aircraft
Get your self some Super Hornets, or Super Duper Hornets. If you are looking for something lighter, F-16s or maybe convince SK to sell you some FA-50s.
>Armor
If you thing the Abrams does not perform well in the environment of 'Nam, buy some M60-2000s. We could also sell you a lot of M113s cheap. Like, there's probably thousands lay around in storage that we would practically give to you, just to take off our hands. Say, $10k/each + shipping?
>Rotor Wing
AH-1Ws are the best you can hope for in attack, because I'm doubtful we'll let you buy anything with a Longbow Radar. But hey, you could finally get those Hueys running again. Imagine the nostalgia in the Bell plant as they ship Hueys off to 'Nam again.
>Missiles
SM-3s, SL-AMRAAMs, Stingers, Hellfires, etc.
>Boats
Psst, hey zipperhead, wanna buy some Oliver Hazard Perrys?
>Other stuff
Parts. Lots of them. It seems you have a lot of US made stuff in storage due to a lack of parts.
>>30040862
Funny how not being assholes to each other helps.
>>30040930
This.
But it's scary when you realize it's true.
>>30041256
>implying they can even afford them
>>30041659
>not wanting to work with Commies who are extremely pro-Russian
>being man children
Fuck off. I hope China conquers your shithole.
>>30040696
Useful thing about 'communism' is that the word can mean different things based on context.
Marxs theory of communism is that one government will disappear over time and people will live communally. Communist = global communalism, in that case.
So a 'communist' government is a government that supposedly is working towards that goal, not necessarily is actually communist at that point if ever.
But remember that living communally can also be called communism, not just Marx's theory. Anarcho-communism, hippie communes, christian communism, kibbutzim. All communist things. Communism is a concept that is older than Marx, he didn't invent the term, all Marx did was predict that the world would transition to communism at some point.
Also note that marxist-leninism and its variants (including Stalinism) breaks from traditional Marxism because it tried to skip the capitalism phase Marx believed was necessary for socialism to happen, and instead use a strong one party dictatorship to direct the country.
So yeah, according to Marx, Capitalism is required for socialism. They are not opposites, one simply leads to the other.
>>30040050
Patriots are one of the best ABM available.
>>30041761
>Vietnam
>extremely pro-Russian
Vietnam is a pro USA country though
http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/most-pro-american-asian-nation-vietnam
>>30040002
China Pumping Troops In Areas Close To Indian Border: US
'China has deployed more troops near India border'
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-international/china-has-deployed-more-troops-near-india-border/article8601953.ece
China has increased defence capabilities and deployed more troops along the Indian border, the Pentagon has said, as it warned of increasing Chinese military presence including bases in various parts of the world, particularly Pakistan.
“We have noticed an increase in capability and force posture by the Chinese military in areas close to the border with India,” Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defence for East Asia Abraham M. Denmark told reporters during a news conference here after Pentagon submitted its annual 2016 report to the US Congress on ‘Military and Security Developments Involving the People’s Republic of China’.
Sino-Indian War: India Fires Supersonic Missile As US Identifies Chinese Aggression
http://www.morningnewsusa.com/sino-indian-war-india-fires-supersonic-missile-us-identifies-chinese-aggression-2378052.html
China to US: Stay out of border dispute with India
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/china-to-us-stay-out-of-border-dispute-with-india/1/669448.html
Villagers along Sino-India border receive suspicious calls from 'spies'
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/villagers-along-sino-india-border-receive-suspicious-calls-from-spies/
China will open war against Vietnam,India, philippines,Russia and so on
>>30040930
Kudos.
You cracked the code.
>>30041812
I don't know why they'd go after India other than to assert dominance. Vietnam, the Phillipines and Russia are far more lucrative when it comes to resources. Plus they're already started with Russia where they've bought up more realestate firms and land development in the far east to the point where they're almost the majority.
>>30041744
>implying they can even afford them
Vietnamese economy is already booming since years. Many European investors. Vietnam fits into the role of Taiwan and South Korea.
>>30040930
>The United States NEEDS China to grow as a military power, because it helps to do a few major things
For what?
>>30040688
The irony is that Obama clearly has no qualms about being friends with authoritarian shitholes. Vietnam is probably more democratic and less authoritarian than Saudi Arabia yet every American president gets on their knees to suck some oily Arab dick.
>>30041123
>The west will be collapsing into civil war soon enough
>Stormnogs actually believe this.
>>30040930
Exactly this. The plutocrats and elites of the world figured out long ago that co-operation is more profitable than conflict. They just keep up the appearances of rivalry to put on a show for their people, distract them from real issues, and feed the military industrial complex.
Everybody read 1984 and global politics take on new meaning.
Vietnam is militarily irrelevant compared to the Philippines
>>30041848
>I don't know why they'd go after India other than to assert dominance
Muh territory
>>30041877
Sure m8 go walk around a major city in the west today
Real "western"
Look at the US election, its whites vs treasonous liberals & non-whites.
>>30042057
>Sure m8 go walk around a major city in the west today
>Real "western"
Portland Oregon?
>>30042057
>there are brown people in cities
>therefore society is about to collapse
Lel. The tensions that exist today are no worse than those that have always existed between natives and immigrants, there isn't going to be a race war so you might as well hang yourself stormcuck.
Not to mention that Trumps plans won't do jack shit since millions of illegal immigrants entered the U.S. legally, so building a wall won't keep anybody out.
>>30042077
>The tensions that exist today are no worse than those that have always existed between natives and immigrants
Yes of course the ethnic cleansing & eventual genocide of whites will have no negative consequences.
A hispanic & asian & black "America" will totally be the same, huh?
You sound like a shitskin yourself
>>30042290
What do you think its called when a city goes from all white, to <20% white?
Progress?
It's ethnic cleansing
We have countless examples of non-whites genociding whites when they gain power over them.
>>30041796
>thinking public opinion matters in Vietnam
Are you this retarded?
Look at Vietnamese foreign policy. Also, just because they like America doesn't mean they aren't pro-Russian. It isn't one or the other.
>>30042310
If it gets rid you you, maybe its worth it?
>>30041848
Because India and China disagree on territory. A lot of it.
>>30041850
>booming
>slower than average East Asia growth 1990-2014.
Your defense budget is $6 billion. Of that $500 million is used for procurement. That's called being unable to afford high-tech equipment.
>>30041256
give them the P-3 instead, we haven't even fully transitioned to using the P-8 ourselves
>>30042337
Sino-Pakistan alliance
Sino-Best and Worst Korea alliance
>>30042311
>just because they like America doesn't mean they aren't pro-Russian.
what is your problem with Russia
Russian don't have anything in SEA, not even a Naval base
>>30042471
Vietnam open to Russian return to Cam Ranh Bay
https://rbth.com/news/2016/05/18/vietnam-open-to-russian-return-to-cam-ranh-bay_594025
Vietnam and Russia makes China angry
>>30042486
>Vietnam and Russia makes China angry
Vietnam+USofA will make China angrier
>>30042508
China says "Help us Japan-kun!"
>>30042541
>Vietnam says
FTFU
Vietnam and Japan have became best bro for sometime
>>30041796
>>30042311
>>30042471
>>30042486
>>30042508
>>30042541
>>30042552
China Asks Russia for Help Against Philippines in South China Sea
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/04/20/beijing-looks-team-moscow-south-china-sea-court-battle/
and China says "Help us Russia! America and Vietnam are bullying us!"
>>30041796
Vietnam isn't pro-Russian. They just didn't have better place to buy arms. Now Vietnam will abandon Russian in no time.
>>30042598
50 cent
China changes the words everytime
"Vietnam is Pro-America!"
"No! Vietnam is Pro-Russia!"
"Yeah,Vietnam is Not Pro-America!"
"####! Vietnam is Not Pro-Russia!"
Been digging through this but I don't see anything on imports yet. Curious to see if we manage to get any exports out of Vietnam. Those funky 7.62x25 AKMs and other oddball guns would make for good surplus sales in the US I'm sure.
>What should Vietnam purchase
From the US when it comes to equipment? Missiles, specifically TOW's, perhaps things like Humvee's and older but still viable equipment we'd otherwise send our Nat Guard units.
Some Patriots honestly wouldn't be too bad; I'm pretty sure your IADS is pretty good right now, but extra missiles never hurt.
Planewise: You need something that can compete with the Chinese Flanker variants and also integrate well with surplus stuff you've got. The second part is really what'll kill you: buying Russian aircraft right now really isn't a good call. However, we've got three good, reliable, J-8II and J-10 murderers you can get relatively cheap and will supplement your own Flankers.
>F-16IN or a potential Vietnamese varient
Hard to go wrong with the F-16 to replace your Su-22's. The little plane that can do practically everything without breaking your budget, the F-16 also has the advantage of an absolute fuckload of spares, potential US pilot training, compatibility with a truckload of munitions, and a good service record. Worth a look.
>F-15
GOD'S PLANE. You want something that'll basically be your Flankers, but newer and full of freedom? Buy some F-15's. Worth looking at.
>F/A-18 Super Hornet
Great fighter, also great attacker. Will piss off the PLAN and PLAAF by being really good and capable of carrying a shitton of stuff for both SEAD and strike operations, along with CAP stuff.
You could also look into snatching up some Rafales if you want to go french, that Indian deal is just asking for someone to step in and make a better offer.
>>30042337
>$500 million is used for procurement
For all branches? That's utterly destitute when 4th gen fighters cost tens of millions each at the very least.
>>30040204
>mostly carbs laden with fat
>healthy
