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/k/ I need advice on a plate carrier, never owned a chest rig besides a shitty Chinese SKS bandolier and an ELBV
Priorities are
>price
>comfort
>modularity
>color (OD and coyote preferred, multicam still good for use where I live)
Help me out /k/omrades, I want to up my autism level.
This is my fourth time trying to post this so fug u 4chan
>>30035939
Go to a Gear Queer thread, they'll help you out.
>>30035992
Totally forgot about gear queer threads, thanks man
What's your budget
>>30036390
Id like it to not go over $50, but I'm willing to spend up to $75
>>30036390
>>30038086
That is just for the carrier itself, I have another budget for attachments and pouches and stuff
>>30038101
Kek you're not gonna find anything worth a damn. Condor is about all your gonna get that's not gonna fall apart. For under 50 your looking at shit like NcStar and Vism
>>30038086
>$50
>actual life saving and weight bearing component of your gear
I know SKD has a down sized PIG config that runs $90.
wait, just to be clear, do you want the plate carrier JUST for pouches and shit or are you actually going to be putting plates in there?
>>30035939
for 75 bucks youll get like, condor, and no plates.
>>30035939
Just free ball it. I was in Infantry and I'm telling you humping that bitch all day sucks.
Get a molle vest for attachments. I'd shoot guys in full plate in head or legs. Hit the artery in the leg and their dead.
>>30038156
Fug
>>30038280
>>30038521
I'm not looking to put plates in it at the moment, just want to have the option of doing so later, and a more customizable chest set up than the Chinese shit I have now
>>30035939
6b45. Your a fag if you don't get the shoulder and dick armor.
>>30038086
Spend 75$, take a look at Beez Combat Systems products.
>>30038867
Can I get the shoulder and dick armor and still be a fag?
>>30038867
why cant you be a good slavaboo and use modern armor like the smart ones
>>30038946
I'm actually considering getting ana FSB equipment but I like my equipment more
>>30038946
And stuff is as modern as it gets, it's just standard issue not fsb like your picture. Id definitely use that load out for competition shooting though cause it's way more practical.
>>30038986
My stuff*
>>30038967
ruskshit is pretty good
>>30038986
>russia
>modern
cutting edge 90's designs and features,
>>30039039
Uh.. it's nothing like the 90s. I know cause I have friends who are active russian military and theyd laugh at you in person and explain how youre wrong
>>30039039
modern ruskshit is very good, extremely light.
>>30039105
Actually if you want to meet them and tell them their stuff is 90s teir your welcome to come crownland next weekend, well have $15grand in guns there.
>>30039023
>not having the rarest of pepes on your helmet
Imy still astonished my friend got away with wearing this
>>30039158
Send me one and i shall put one on my 6b47 under my cover.
>>30038639
This guy sounds like he knows how to kill
>>30035939
>Get slick plate carrier
>Throw chicom chest rig over it
As cheap as it gets
>>30039204
Yeah, I've killed people. I say kill instead of murder because my actions were legal.
The femoral artery runs down the center of a man's leg. I shot 1 guy in the head and another where I said. He blead out by the time I and everyone else cleared the building.
So even if a man were in a plate carrier, it's a kill shot.
>>30035939
I have a similar question.
Are any of the the U.S. issue carriers any good?
The MOTV in particular.
If not, what should I look for?
>>30038903
Go and accomplish your dreams anon
>>30039296
>plates are useless guys, I'm a top-tier operator so you can take my word for it
Ok.
>>30039427
Didn't say that. My unit hunted Juba. Which actually wasn't 1 guy but a culmination of video posts to hype up a fictitious sniper.
Wear your plates. I just told people it's easy to kill you by shooting people in the legs.
Source: dead Iraqi
Any budget chest rigs that can hold a plate in the front?
>>30039459
>I just told people it's easy to kill you by shooting people in the legs.
No shit. If you have the luxury of taking the time to identify that the guy is wearing plates, and then drop your aim accordingly, then nothing he can wear will make any difference. However, under the vast majority of circumstances it's not that convenient, which is why you aim center mass. That's why people wear plates, because they have a longstanding and demonstrable effect on your longevity in combat.
>>30039477
A dead center shot will still knock a man down. I've seen it break a man's rib.
I won't go into detail what happened after.
>>30039526
>A dead center shot will still knock a man down
With what, a fucking .338lm? Fuck off, kid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5f1Fo4r4_I
>>30039526
was it the game winning kill? because that's not what happens in real life
>>30039561
Yes child. Iraqis fire meme rounds. Not 7.62
>>30039576
Oh? OK. I'm getting armchaired pretty hard.
Tell that to lcpl anon who got shot in the back and it fucked his disks up.
>>30039603
either he was wearing soft armor and got lucky or you are full of shit
>>30039625
He got shot 3 times in the back. He has trouble walking but is doing better with physical therapy.
His name is Tyler. I am full of shit, but not a liar.
I find the 6B23-1 comfortable. I own one myself - but I had to make my own plates out of shitty cardboard because I live in Fagstralia where body armour is illegal. Border Force took my Kevlar plates away and just gave me the cover :( So I can really only comment on the comfortable-ness with mock-up plates. 6B23-1s are fairly cheap. I got mine for 90USD with plates.
>>30039580
The video I posted featured a man being shot twice with .308, which is going to be comparable to x54 (though in most cases, you'd be facing x39 threats). Level 4 plates are rated to stop at least one round of .30-06 M2AP with an acceptable level of backface deformation; ain't none of that shit going to send you flying. People get "knocked down" due to their reaction to getting hit, not because the bullet hits so hard. Neither will it break ribs, if you're truly using plates rated for the given cartridge.
>>30038086
>$75
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA
>>30039701
Get dummy plates or are those illegal too I feel sad for you I own 4 with the steel plates in all of them.
>>30039724
OK. Let me shoot you wearing 1.
First two to watch you act like a puss. 3rd in the head, to see if your skull is thick enough.
>>30039747
Oh shit, we have a badass over here.
>>30039757
Damn right buddy boy. I recognize your vagina.
>>30039746
Yeah dummy plates are illegal too. Anything that looks remotely bulletproof will be confiscated at the border. Even a Kevlar helmet is a big no no.
>>30039767
If I was visiting Australia and was innapub and started showing pictures like pic related and saying I know a bloke who let me use them, what would the general reaction be?
>>30039296
So plate carriers are useless then?
>>30039764
I'm not your buddy, guy.
>>30039803
Well the patrons just totally wouldn't give a fuck. It totally depends on the location of the pub tho. In a city people would probably freak out, but in the country - yeah no fucks would be given because every man and his dog in the country owns a gun.
>>30038967
holy shit, you look like you're using all of you strength just to stand.
>>30040231
Im probably much more fit than you are.
>>30040352
>I ran cross country in high school
>thinking skinny as fuck means fit
>>30038086
That's a bit low for a molle plate carrier. TAG has a rampage plate carrier on clearance for $100. The catch is that it's black. It's still a good PC
>>30038851
If you have a chest rig, keep wearing it until you can afford plates. A plate less plate carrier is dumb, floppy, and inferior to a chest rig
>>30039296
Wow, you really are a fucking badass arent you? You tried picking up women by bragging about your amazing reflexes and killing skills?
>>30039472
>Just a front plate.
Don't
>>30039360
The issued carriers kinda suck. Most of them carry soft armor, so they're bulkier and heavier. Most of them have a relasable system which is more weight and frustration. You are far better off with just about anything on the market
>>30040749
>Most of them carry soft armor
I thought all military vests use ceramic plates with SAPI Kevlar backings.
Can you explain to me what releasable is?
Despite there being better offerings on the market, I've always found surplus to work well for me as well as it is intended to be integrated with the rest of the stuff I already own.
What would you recommend from the private manufacturers?
>>30035939
Drop the $200 and get this. You wont be disappoint.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-London-Bridge-LBT-6094S-Plate-Carrier-RANGER-GREEN-US-Marshal-Custom-Med-Lrg-/401116412890
>>30039459
>I hunted Juba
>t. 1171 "Water Dog"
>>30041833
They carry soft armor in addition to plates. But the soft armor is larger than the plate, to help with shrapnel. But that makes the entire vest biggier, bulkier and heavier
Releasable means theres a system where you pull a cord or perform some other action and the whole carrier falls apart. Helpful if youre drowning, but on the iotv it's an absolute bitch to put back together and dumb privates accidentally pull the cord a lot
Milsurp is all over the place. For boots and body armor, I really prefer aftermarket stuff
>>30042359
This a good plate carrier at a good deal.
>>30042359
Do this. They're great.
>>30042593
I like better protection.
Does the MTV use a quick release cord?
How easy is it to pull on the IOTV?
It's hard to beat $360 Bates RAT boots for $60, though.
>>30042721
You think more is good because you've never had to wear it. Soft armor doesn't stop rifle threats. You are so much better off without it
>>30042721
Don't buy a fucking MTV. They're a real pain in the ass to put on and they're bulky as shit. A lot of people have complained that the quick release cord gets stuck on equipment and can fall off in the middle of combat. Not sure if the IMTV did anything about that.
Either way I wouldn't suggest getting a US GI issue vest when there are so many better options
>>30042359
Pure sex right there.
>>30042721
I used to wear an eagle CIRAS, which has everything you're looking for. Soft and hard armor, releaseable, and MOLLE.
It's basically the exact same thing as an IOTV, except not designed by a retarded person.
>>30042949
>Soft armor doesn't stop rifle threats
I know it doesn't, but I plan on using level III plates from AR500 and they claim soft Kevlar backing will prevent injury from the steel splintering when hit.
>>30043387
How hard can it be to put on?
So a London Bridge doesn't have a release cord?
Does the LB that was posted here accept 6x8 side plates?
>>30044367
I'm actually not really wanting a release cord.
I don't plan on getting knocked out while I'm in the water.
Also, for anyone that can answer, are DAPS still being used at all?
>>30045109
>Ar500
Every goddamn time. Steel plates are inconsistent. When specific loads of calibers it's supposedly rated stop still penetrate, that is inconsistency. Body armor is protecting my vitals, I want something that will stop threats everytime, so I spend $60 more per plate and get lvl iv ceramic or composite plates. Hicom plates start at $119. There is no excuse for steel anymore. Infact, that would be lighter and cheaper than buying ar500 and soft armor backets
>>30038946
What kinda muzzle brake is that? Is that part of a suppressor? I must know
>>30045109
You are iotv bro right? You could buy an iotv in crappy UCP pattern for $130, +DAPs, neck protectors, and whatever other stupid bullshit that you don't need You could buy $60 ar500 steel plates and hunt down some iotv cut soft armor (and that won't be cheap)
Here you go
Or, buy a damn plate carrier and 2 $120 ceramic plates. Less coverage, better protection where you NEED it, lighter and far more mobile. If you don't mind black, TAG has a black $200 plate carrier half off on clearance. That lbt for $200 is a god tier plate carrier everyone from seals to us marshalls have used.
You can find some good shit in milsurp, but trust me, iotvs and ibas are not good shit. They are just shit.
>>30045219
Forgot link Here the build an iotv workshop if youre dead set on having something miserable you'll never want to wear https://store.glennsarmysurplus.com/mobile/acu-digital--iotv-tactical-vest--accessories-p909.aspx
>>30045142
I never liked the idea of having a plate be rendered useless because I dropped it.
Do you have a link to the study that shows the inferiority of AR500 armour?
I looking at these or another sale price.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spartan-AR500-Body-Armor-Front-Back-and-6x8-Side-Plates-Level-III-AR500-III-BC/111623374448?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D153e4e7f49e54aae94b74b19433190e3%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D261183833741
>>30045219
I'm not decided on surplus yet, I was just wanting to know why people said they were bad.
Is the soft armour for the IOTV differently shaped?
Forget the IOTV, then. I forgot all it came in was UCP.
I'll definitely keep the LBT vest in mind.
>>30045518
It comes in OCP too, not that I'd buy one. And the quick release isn't about drowning, it's to quickly access wounds and render aid
>>30045302
Nice meme. Ignoring the fact you shouldn't be throwing your shit around anyways, ceramics aren't that fucking brittle, especially inside your plate carrier. Don't be the retarded private throwing ceramic plates off the back of a lmtv and you'll be fine.
>>30045518
The balcs cut is standard and fits in vest like the eagle ciras and the first Spear siege as well as lots of soft body armor only vests
The itov and ibas have a different cut
>>30039767
dummy plates arent illegal, just gotta find yourself a company to import them so less chance customs will fuck you around
>>30046453
I just figured the ceramics would have to be quite hard and brittle to stop a round.
What kind of sale prices should I be looking for with level IV ceramics?
How are the level IV AR500 plates since they use ceramics in them?
Should they still have a Kevlar backing?
>>30047368
Ar500 lvl ivs are on the same level as hicom and armorwear. Independent testing finds them meeting or exceeding nij standards, but they're not nij rated, if that makes sense.
Hicom is cheapest at $120, armorwear and ar500 lvl iv are like $150. It's not the same composition as an esapi, it's a composite thingamajig that I think is like alluminum and ceramic. They're heavier than ESAPIS. But also like $100 cheaper easily.
The next step up is skd tac with ceramics for $180, then bulletproofme, and bulletproofme starts at $220. Of course, bulletproofme and hicom both sell advanced lightweight lvl iv plates for like $600 a pop too.
>>30038086
>Would like to not go above $50 for a plate carrier.
Nope. Time to fuck off and go save your money. Come back when you have $400.
>Ceramics
>Pouches
>Other small bits and pieces
>>30047582
Yeah, that makes sense.
Do you have the study the disqualifies AR500 level III from meeting NIJ standards?
Is it recommended to put sheets of Kevlar at the rear of ceramic plates as well?
Thanks for the suggestions so far.
>>30047933
There's level 3 ceramics too. They need kevlar backers. Lvl iv doesn't really need it, but it's not like it does nothing
Nij lvl iv standard is 1 shot of 30-06 ap 100% of the time, and a 2nd shot 60% of the time this is a law enforcement standard, its what cops go off of.
Army esapi with kevlar is 3 shots of 7.62x54r AP
So while esapi's are expensive, they exceed lvl iv standards. But personally, I'm fine with what the cops wear. And if you wanted to up protection, you could get backers, and they'd help even with nij standard plates. But that's more money and more weight.
>>30048207
Are most Kevlar brands the same or are there better ones?
Are those three shots stopped 100% of the time? Why did they base their testing around a Russian cartridge?
I take it Hicom only meets NIJ standards?
Who makes the cheapest ESAPI plates?
I thought most cops only wore level II+
>>30048351
My soft armor brand knowledge is significantly reduced. Get something in a balcs cut is all I know
Yes, and since its 54r, I assumed so. How many AP loadings of American 54r are there?
All 5 brands mentioned are built to nij standards.
Bulletproofme does sell esapi's too however. They cost more
That's department to department, but most officers have an active shooter vest now, and before that, swat teams wore armor carriers
>>30048729
Does balcs stand for anything?
I see, I was just wondering if there was a particularly inexpensive brand for ESAPI plates.
Since you have such an understanding of armours, do you know why the military's successor to the PASGT helmet doesn't cover as much as the head as the PASGT did?
I'm a skinnyfag, like 145lb 6ft
I'm looking for a budget rig, around 100-150 id go to 200 if its worth it. but i have a 28inch waist. so think skinny.
>>30049083
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-London-Bridge-LBT-6094S-Plate-Carrier-RANGER-GREEN-US-Marshal-Custom-Med-Lrg-/401116412890
thats the one. for everybody
>>30049083
>>30049161
Seriously, buy it. On the off chance it doesn't fit you can sell it for $350 and buy the smaller one.
>>30049161
London Bridge shill pls go
>>30039526
>>30039561
>>30039576
>>30039580
>>30039603
>>30039625
Soft armor I suspect is indeed a bit part of it. Notice he's talking about a back shot, how many rigs have rigid plates there?
Source: been the demo dummy for one of those (soft, 'tropical second chance') vests once myself. A .38 certainly didn't knock me down but it did give me a nice big bruise and it hurt like hell. A shot like that directly on a critical spot like the spine, let alone three shots from a rifle like that?
Yeah, I could see that doing some real damage still.
>>30049310
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-London-Bridge-LBT-6094S-Plate-Carrier-RANGER-GREEN-US-Marshal-Custom-Med-Lrg-/401116412890
>>30049161
I'm ordering it as we speak. thanks u fuckers. hopefully im getting the best bang for m buck here
>>30049798
my first pc is n the mail. what makes so highly reccomended by yall?
>>30039807
No, you retard. You're most likely to get hit in the thoracic and abdominal cavities. Better to spend 400 bucks than get shot in the gut or lungs.
>>30040352
Not with those weak calves.
>>30038086
why are poorfags like this
>i want a gun
>it has to be sub moa
>has to be awesome
>$29 budget
>I want a plate carrier
>i have no reason for one because I barely even used a shitty sks bandolier enough to know what I do or don't want
>1000d cordura for muh durability
>must be breathable and look cool
>emergency doff a plus
>have a $3 jack in the box coupon to spend on it
>>30046453
I mean, to add to this, don't soldiers have to train and actually do physical shit with their ceramic plates on? If those things were so brittle, wouldn't there be a flood of complaints about it?
>>30042593
>dumb privates accidentally pull the cord a lot
I'm curious, just how easy or exposed is this cord?
Not the guy asking for a carrier, but I'm interested about that aspect now.
>>30048995
So it'd be lightweight. So you could fit headphones under it (modular intergrated communications helmet) so NODs would be easier to attach. Because it still sufficiently protected your skull
>>30049959
My favorite is
>I have a fighting rifle
>It must be ultra reliable and insanely accurate
>I want a plate carrier
>Make or as cheap as I possibly can
>>30050338
My current unit has ibas, so it's been a while since I've fucked with an iotv, but I think it's under the left shoulder strap pad
>>30050007
Some units using training plates like pic related. But, remember, the plate is pressed up against your body like pic related. The ceramic plates only risk damage being dropped on the corners, kinda like a cellphone. And it takes a couple drops. It's also inside a vest, which gives it protection. Finally, if it's on your person, it's not normally dropping very far. The COD dolphin dive isn't something you train to do, because it would be extremely painful (4u) if there was a rock or case right where your knees landed. If you point-post-sprawl, you can still get down very quickly, without damaging your knees, and then your plates don't take any impact either but that's not the main concern, because plates are tougher than knees.
>>30050799
thanks for the info.
I'm just waiting for memorial day to see if any carriers go on sale.
I'm just deathly afraid the stuff on ebay are counterfeit or fake.
>>30049959
>tfw I just want a ghetto blaster for $100
>>30050799
They couldn't make the headphones smaller?
Do they offer the same protection outside of the reduced coverage?
>>30035939
C,mon, anon, be smart about this. Don't go cheap on the thing that is going to carry the plates that stop you from being poked with bullets. $50 will get you like, maybe condor. Condor is like a VW Beetle. Look at London Bridge. They're like a formula one car, but they also have the price of a formula one car. Their carriers are around $600, but they'll last a lifetime. Honestly, just don't be dumb about this. I hear 5.11 makes some decent carriers. Just pick a carrier that you think looks cool and pull up some reviews on it.
>>30040737
>Just a front plate.
>Don't
Why?
>>30051494
The back plate helps balance out the weight of the front so it rides well. Front plate only gets to be quite awkward.
>>30049881
it's a well thought-out design, will last a lifetime, and currently at an unusually deep discount.
>>30038086
Some Russian chest rigs have slots for plates in the front and are around 100$ + shipping.
>Pic related SSO/SPOSN "Legat" and "Parol"
ANA Alfa and Vympel vests also have provisions for front and side plates I think.
>>30051598
The Eagle Ind. RRV can also. Rangers used to run these with plates in, over separate soft armor carriers.
>>30051320
This is the difference. It's not that much less coverage. They are both IIIa helmets. Trust me, I wore both, the ACH/mich is better than the pasgat
>>30035939
6 months ago LBT had a fire sale on their in stock 6094 plate carriers. I scored one for like $175.
My advice would be to pick 3 or so you like then monitor their sites for a sale.
>>30051320
A big reduction between the PASGT and the ACH was that the ACH doesn't go as far down on the head in the back. This is a big improvement, because a problem with PASGTs was that when you went prone, especially with bodyarmor on, the helmet would slide forward over your eyes.
Between the better cut and the improved suspension mounts, the ACH is much more wearable. Anyway, don't be a wuss about protection. Really, 90% of the reason for an ACH is as a NOD platform and to protect from bumps and bruises.
>>30049881
Dude, the 6094 is the tits. Don't ask questions just get it.
So do carriers with "vented padding" actually breath well or do all SC just act as sweat wraps?
Us palm sap-c
>>30051816
It helps for cooling you off, but holy shit if the vented padding shit on the inside of an IOTV isn't the most uncomfortable shit ever.
>>30051746
how do you know its not an airsoft ripoff?
Anyone have some recommendation for a molle vest JUST for the molle attachments? I am gonna do some camping so id like to use some of my molle packs and junk, but i dont need it to be military grade, or have plate carriers or anything... Im guessing that prob. limits me to airshit, so if there IS a plate carrier its no big deal.
Would prefer black to avoid the ultra-military fag appearance(ideally high-vis would be better, but as long as its not camo i should be able to avoid not looking like a milita nut right?)
Really want the best value, as the only heavy shit it'll be sporting is a hydration pack and some light pockets at the front for a GPS and maybe a multitool.
pic related looks good, though again, plate carrier isnt really needed and that front flap looks like anything i put on there is gonna not be able to stay up with any weight.
>>30052869
What are you attaching to it?
Also the color doesn't matter, wearing a MOLLE vest already makes you look like a wannabe, don't kid yourself
If you're just using for a GPS and multi-tool, save your money and use your pockets like a normal person
>>30052869
This sounds incredibly autistic. But maybe look at a "micro chest rig" or chest panel
>>30052869
You don't want a plate carrier. A plate carrier without plates will sag, and the cheapo plate carriers will be especially shoddy.
You want a loadbearing vest.
There are a lot of options, but IMO, the best balance of quality and low price is going to be a US surplus FLC loadbearing vest. You can buy them on ebay, often fully loaded with pouches, for cheap.
Get one in UCP. Then buy some dye at a fabric store for >$5 and dye it yourself. UCP being all white and grey will easily accept pretty much any dye, especially black.
Or you could buy a US Marine issued FLC that is in solid brown, which also isn't too tacticool of a color choice.
>>30052908
I'll be trail running, so i really need it held secure to my body.
>>30052924
Well i'm a bit of a retard, but i'm trying to simulate this thing(pic related) at a cheaper price, and with more uses after the camping trip.
Drop $330 on the ultimate direction vest(which is purpose built for what i want, and looks really nice) or drop ~$50(total guess. Again, dont need ultra milspec quality) and use my own pouches and hydration system, while being left with something that could be re-used later on... Tool vest for renovations? Add weights to make it a weighted workout vest, i dunno...
Basically, i'm a cheap faggot. Help me out.
>>30052996
Get a MOLLE belt
You won't have to deal with pouches flopping all around your chest when you run
>>30053198
I thought about that, but i want to keep the weight on my upper chest, and id like a place to attach a hydration bladder.
This is kinda the profile i'm going for
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Though if there was attachments on the small of my back that would be good since thats the best place i find to put my phone holder, and fun the headphones up my back to my ears.
Sorry, i realized i really put this thread off topic.
>>30053272
Again, micro chest rig. Many will clip together with a hydration bladder. If it doesn't wear the chest rig and hydration shit separately. The extra straps will not hurt you especially supporting so little weight
anyone know where I can buy plates for my carrier?
>>30052866
>>30052866
Because devil Dubs of doubt, I ordered one from that link and it's real.
>>30053452
SKD, AT Training.
Anyone know of a plate carrier that will take a shooters cut in the front and a regular plate in the back?
By regular I mean without the cut corners of the shooters cut
I found cheap ass lvl4 hybrid plates but my current plate carrier isn't optimal for them
>>30047590
Is there anything else I can get that gives me some sort of modularity that isn't complete chicomm-tier trash?
>>30049959
>I want something to soothe my autistic needs
>I want an ammo carrier that doesn't fall off my shoulders in the prone position
>I'd like to be able to move the pouches around where I like them
>preferably not black
I'm not asking for super good shit here anon
>>30035939
What is that in your picture? Looks like condor but Im not sure. Where do those units start falling apart incidentally, is it the nylon webbing stitching on the outside?
>>30053737
Sounds like you want a chest rig/load bearing vest rather than a plate carrier
>>30053452
Armorwear.com, ar500, ect sketchy Slavs on Facebook if you desire that. Also the shops that the other anons suggested
>>30053990
From experience using them on dummies in TCCC classes, they fall apart at the outside seams a lot. Also the elastic and velcro materials seem to be of much lower quality than you'd find on expensive vests, so they aren't as strong and wear out faster. The hard buckles tend to be brittle and break more easily than quality polymer buckles.
Just curious, is Diamondback Tactical primarily a LEO/Military catering company? They have a disclaimer that they won't sell level III to IV plates to anyone without a federal or tax exempt ID.
>>30035939
Shut the fuck up and get the LBT 6094S for $200 with free shipping.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/401116412890?_trksid=p2060353.m2748.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
>>30054716
looks like airsoft to me
>>30054891
>Literally retarded
See >>30053472
>>30053737
I notice you didn't say anything about positively needing to carry 15+ pounds of plate armor, so thank you for proving my point you fucking retard
>>30053737
>he thinks $100+ plate carriers are considered super good shit
Look, if you just want something to bum around in, just get a $75 carrier or a rig.
If you have any intentions of putting plates in it and using it in a real situation, either now or in the future, save yourself that $75 because you would most likely be spending $150 on a basic carrier while from a whole picture standpoint, you literally spent $225 total on your misadventure in getting a basic carrier while you could've easily gotten a better selection of stuff at $200+ if you saved.
>>30038903
you don't need to ask anon, you'll always be a fag to me
>>30054891
It's from a trusted vendor that sells a lot of LBT shit.
I just ordered mine, you should too. I can hook you up with a cheap body armor from a dealer too senpai.
>>30038946
Just Multicam my shit up
>>30042721
Nigga, bates RATs boots go for $130
>>30053718
Chincom chest rigs are fucking great
>>30053452
First, fuck you for asking twice, second, literally every brand I mentioned here >>30047582
Ar500, hicom, armorwear, skdtac, and bulletproofme me all have their own sights you can Google. And all the site have the company as part of the title. I even put them in order of price for you. Read threads before asking questions damnit.
Instead of buying a plate carrier with no plates, you could buy a cheap MOLLE chest-rig and a few PALS pouches. If you decide to buy a plate carrier with plates later on, you can use the same PALS pouches.
You might check out the Särmä "Ultra Light Weight" chest-rig. It is an open mesh with 12 PALS channels, and has no unnecessary features.
https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/sarma-tst-chestrig-ulw/32436?q=ulw-chestrig
>>30055078
Not that anon but just bought one. Can't wait.
>>30051494
Watch blackhawk down.
I am literally ordering this.
https://catiarmor.3dcartstores.com/mobile/product.asp?itemid=90
-22 Dollar Code "one zero" + freeshipping
>>30057397
CATI armor is literally Condor+AR500-steel-tier
Why would you do this?
>>30057397
You're fucking dumb.
>>30057236
kys
>>30057739
>wanting the front of your chest rig to sag 4 inches
>>30057777
Your gear is too good to grace such a shit thread.you quads getter.
>>30057708
>>30057727
Because can withstand up to .308 ( granted exceptions ), its affordable for me, and its better than no armor at all.
>>30057765
>quoting dank memes
>>30057819
It is also easily defeated by common hunting rounds, which level 4 ceramics are not. You might as well be wearing no armor if you're strapping pot metal to your body.
>it's affordable
Save the money up, don't skimp on your life. Or do, if you want to get chestfucked by Bubba's son durr rifle.
>>30057819
>its better than no armor at all
It has a significant weight penalty, and could be penetrated by a 5.56 from a 20in barrel.
I think no armor would be better than steel LVL III
>>30057817
oh damn I did get quads. neat.
well I'm outta there then.
>>30055693
This is perfect anon, thank you
>>30055548
Mine keeps slipping off my shoulders when I go prone and won't let me grab my clips without like 3 rounds slipping off
>>30057863
HE'S SHOULDERING A BRACE! CALL THE ATF REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>30057843
>>30057846
I will be using it for home invasion purposes primarily. Any armor can be defeated with a good enough round / barrel length.
> pot metal
Yeah no.
>5.56 from 20in barrel
Yes you are right, but then again, I dont feel like having a Xray machine at my house to verify if my LVL4 has a hairline crack going through it.
I think if anon takes a round to the chest, ( A. they need to get out of the hallway) and B. that plate has a good chance of stopping most common used rounds in home invasion situations.
I am not looking for a god tier protection, as in all odds the armor will never be used.
>>30057846
Also I can always go ar680 steel and get more. either way I live in FL where most home invasions only happen with small arms MMMMAAAYYYBE a rifle...maybe
https://armour-wear.com/shop/all/ar680-steel-plate/
>>30057940
If it's for HD, then by all means
Don't get a condor tacticool carrier though, a Blackhawk slick will suffice, and costs ~30$
>>30057940
>pot metal
Uh yes. Calling it "armor" does not make it any less of a metal slab.
>>30057979
>steel
>ever
Fucking christ /k/ I know you're retarded but come on.
Buy a 3A vest if you're not worried about rifle rounds.
>>30058000
>Buy a 3A vest if you're not worried about rifle rounds.
This, get IIIA in a slick, and boom you're done. No need for tactical shit.
>>30057980
It is for HD, ehh I dont mind the condor. I dont really care what it looks like since 99% of the time it will sit in my closet and or if I take a class I will use it.
>tacticool
I think we are all adults here, and have seen much worse than condor in mall ninja wardrobes
>>30058000
>ceramic > Steel
still doesnt take into financial account the cost of Xrays if you so much as look at lvl4 the wrong way
>>30058018
>No need for tactical shit.
But....but I have a beard and an unrelenting itch to be a fat version of Chris Costa.
>>30058018
>No need for tactical shit.
But but but....I have a beard and an unrelenting itch to be a fat version of Chris Costa at my local gun range. I even practice the grip with my TV remote.
>>30058039
There is a way to check for cracks that doesn't cost anything at all
>grab plate on opposite corners
>hold plate up to ear
>try to "twist" the plate
>switch corners, repeat
If you hear no movement (scraping sounds) then its good.
Source: several classes about body armor when it was issued to us
>>30058039
>x-ray meme
You realize that the US military has been issuing ceramic plates for a literal decade, right? Privates can fucking break anything, and yet their plates work just fine. X-rays are unimportant except on an institutional level, because you don't want to accidentally reissue some 3 year old plates that Pvt. Snuffy dropped down a stairwell. Unless you drop your vest from waist height daily for years on end, they'll be fine.
>>30058083
Do you even know what fractures are?
There does not have to be movement for there to be a fracture...hence Xrays.
I am sure that technique was more of a "field medic" approach to testing.
>>30058114
Yeah I do know they have ,Again I cant speak for anything in the army but I know that if I drop them, or wife does, I dont have to say "shit do I need to test em or should I listen to /k/ and try to bend the plate...??
>>30058115
I highly doubt that the military would issue broken plates to deploy with. And jesus dude ballistic ceramic plates are not the same as fucking dinner plates. you can drop in the prone with them on and they're fine. dropping them on the corner HARD is the only thing that will damage them. You're worried about nothing.
>>30058145
I have reason to worry as a work buddy ( actual military exp) specified this to me when I asked.
Not saying you guys are wrong.
Also in my case I do have to worry about cost. Cause hell by the time I can save for LVL4s Hillary will be in office and half the stuff will be illegal to buy...
I need to keep looking to see if I can find some LVL4s that are priced more in my range.
>>30058145
In my case since its strictly HD most people I have talked to agree that AR500 is better than absolutely nothing. And more importantly if I feel the need to in the future, I can always just upgrade to level 4 plates.
>>30058175
People deploy for a full year doing combat operations and patrols every single goddamn day for a year, and when they get back the plates get xrayed. Short of a plate actually being shot or blown up, I've never seen one break or fail X-ray.
You are worried about goddamn nothing. I seriously doubt anything you do is going to break them unless you are intentionally trying.
>>30058039
>if you so much as look at lvl4 the wrong way
get a lllA slick and then kill yourself.
>>30058175
Dude level 4 ceramics are now as much as truckbed lined metal slabs.
$140 a plate
http://www.bulletproofme.com/RP-Level-4-Stand-Alone.html
You missed out on he Armourwear deal a while back, you could have gotten 2 plates and a carrier for 200$
Seriously man, don;'t be scared of the political climate, just save up aggressively until you can shell out the 240$ for good plates.
>>30058199
Buy a 3A soft vest. Steel is absolute shit and is the worst marketing gimick/meme in the industry.
>>30058175
Most mil guys have basically a layman's understanding of their own equipment. How many guys out there don't even know who makes their helmets and body armor?
http://www.lightfighter.net/topic/ceramic-armor-plate-xray
Even cracked plates can stop rounds, despite being seriously fucked up.
You can buy level IV plates for under $200 per, if you shop around.
>>30058221
Would be hard as 3a stops my 9mm
>>30058232
Interesting. I have seen articles showing quite the opposite. But again who knows what articles are doctored.
I will probably keep looking for some decent level 4s. I did not know about Armourwear so I will keep an eye out for their deals. Thanks for the info guys.
>>30039817
I'm not your guy, friendo
>>30058232
>Armourwear
Wow their stuff isnt all too bad in pricing.
I kept seeing prices upwards of 800+ and got rather turned off by lvl4.
This one isnt bad.
https://armour-wear.com/shop/all/carriers/tpg-armour-wear-package/
>>30058311
>I kept seeing prices upwards of 800+ and got rather turned off by lvl4.
you're most likely looking at lightweight IV's, those command premium prices. I also see silicon carbide being the more expensive ceramic materials.
>>30058334
Yeah I was. The other thing I have to think about (not sure why I thought of it now), is multi hit damage to the plates. ( prob me just worrying) but still
>>30054716
Any in coyote?
>>30058385
Don't even think about it.
>>30058401
Why not is would be a realistic possibility. . I will see videos of level 4 taking multiple pistol rounds and see how the cracking goes.
>>30058385
if it makes you feel better, there's a whole slew of IV plates and multi-hit tests on youtube.
That said, if we're gonna play some "what if" and fantasy mind gymnastics:
if you're getting hit multiple times during in an engagement, a plate is the last of your worries.
>You're not behind cover
>the cover sucks
>you're outnumbered
>you're outgunned
>you're in a very shit situation
>you should've avoided this situation in the first place
>you suck at this gun fighting thing.
And plates aren't meant to be used in a Mad Max post apocalypse mindset, they're "consumables", you're basically paying $ for some insurance to not die from otherwise fatal shots. You shouldn't compare things to how the military operates, their soldiers have support behind them. Logistics, supplies, things a lone person can't possible have unless you're shitting money.
>>30058550
All valid points.
THREATS: 1 shot from 7.62 APM2, 6 shots from 5.56 SS109 Green
Tip, 5.56 M193, 7.62 M80 ball, 7.62 x 54R projectile
I'm very much leaning towards their lvl4 plates and carrier for 249. Not much more that the cati setup.
>>30058525
Look a russian plate that was shot 20 times with 5.45 ap ammo.
>>30057777
what belt?
>>30058917
Crye precision AVS.
once HTC makes a sphinx holster I'll probably switch over.
>>30051595
im fucking stoked anon.
What kind of molle additions do you have on your bag? I'm digging the medic pouch. and I'm definitly wanting to get some frontal mag pouches(556) anything else i should thing about? Am i autistic?
>>30058622
It can stop poodle shooter rounds, huzzah!
>>30058941
hey skelly do you know of a plate carrier that will fit a non Shooters cut (square corners) plate in the back?
>>30058941
>being enough of a gear queer to get suckered into the HTC meme
Kydex is kydex (well, in the case of HTC, boltaron). I haven't seen anything from the HTC holsters that makes them stand out from every other molded OWB on the market. If anything I've heard a lot of complaints about the holsters coming too tight or too loose, the rifle mag pouches not being ambi, and the radio holder hot mic'ing.
IMO it makes a lot more sense to buy a couple Ready Tactical AR mag pouches, a LBT 9022, a Raven holster, and some Raven pistol mag pouches.
>>30059018
glad to hear it anon. is there anything in particular about my setup that you are asking about?
shit gets hot so get a camelbak. as a civilian ammo, medical, and water is all you'll ever need.
and probably, just like I probably am.
>>30040737
>Wow, you really are a fucking badass arent you? You tried picking up women by bragging about your amazing reflexes and killing skills?
I'm like a day late in responding to you but whatever thread survived. No in my experience women like knowing you have the ability to protect them. They can't stomach stories with gritty detail.
Why the fuck would you tell a story like that to a girl? Ever been with one?
>>30059253
Whats that pouch with a "T" on it?
And im mostly looking for reccomendations on solid mag pouches for the front belly area. And I'm curious about what kind of radio you're using, or what radio's work best. Also good med bags for the backside. Cant think of much else besides a camel back and maybe a stoner pouch somewhere in there
>>30059436
T pouch is a tourniquet, good idea to have at least 2 on your person when you're playing with guns outside. I keep another in the pouch marked with a red cross.
I use the roo pouch with kywi inserts but these are my favorite standalone mag pouches:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/231499624241
baofengs are good radios for the money, I like the uv82 model. radios are another money pit though so read up
keep medical supplies at your front and sides, back is a no-no for most people. I'd recommend stuffing your FAK in fanny pack and using that
>stoner pouch
clarify?
>>30059095
the 6094 looks like it does.
>>30059095
the 6094 does, but I find square plates to be uncomfortable even on your back.
>>30059524
Loving the reccomendations!
where do you like to keep your pistol mags? I'm planning on a drop leg holster, 556 mags on the belly, either thinking about the belly pouches with 556 mags and pistol mags in front of that. But it seems like a lot of action in that spot. What do you think?
Also those radios look great!
Why is the med bg a nono out back? keeps it out of the way, but super easy to access(just pull it all out when you need it)
>>30059524
>stoner pouch
>bowls and lighters and papers and shit
because we still like to have fun too
>>30059629
im right handed, pistol mags go on the beltline at my 9 oclock.
no droplegs. do you seriously want to walk long distances or sprint with 3lbs on your legs?
keep pistol mags entirely off your armor and do not put anything in front of your main 3-4 mags especially if you plan to go the fanny pack IFAK route. it just causes problems.
out of the way sure, but that also means it's a bitch to access by yourself, your buddy, or the doc. just don't do it unless you're doing house raids on the daily
>>30059693
Your picture makes it look like your mag pouches are at your 3. Where do you keep the med pouch?
I instinctively want to keep the med pouch out back but I'm starting to see what you're saying
Am I forgetting anything?
>>30059824
not really. just keep it simple and keep it light.
wear it, practice with it and when it becomes second nature, continue to optimize and rearrange it for maximum speed and function
>>30058231
whats the best plate you can buy?
>>30038867
what is the point of shoulder armor aside from looking sexy?
>>30059918
Shrapnel protection obviously.
>>30059935
thanks for the heads up
obviously the bigger the shoulder armor the better you are at fighting
>>30053994
What is the one in the pic?
>>30059597
so the square on the back gets in way of shoulder movement or is it just uncomfortable in general?
>>30060448
a lot of square plates are single curve, which isn't as comfy as multicurve, and youre constantly going to be reminded that youre wearing a square plate because your shoulder blades will tend to rub against the corners of the plate whenever you move
>>30059913
plz
