Is there going to be a practical reason for anyone to own another semiautomatic rifle, besides cost, once this thing ships?
>>30005197
whats the difference between echo and compliant?
>>30005197
>implying it's not vaporware
Oh boy OP. They are already on track to miss their latest ship date. And they're not announcing any new info at the NRA show.
>>30005197
sure: bullpups a shit
>>30005238
compliant probably means commifornia compliant
>>30005197
>once this thing ships
>>30005197
>once this thing ships?
Lol.
>>30005238
probably chambering and a bullet button or some shit
>>30005261
i was thinking that but why the caliber differences? what if i want an echo model but in 7.62x39 (just for example, i dont actually want that)?
>>30005261
The funny part is that with the bullshit new batch of laws cuckfornia just passed it'll probably be illegal to sell it there anyways.
Man, how bad do you have to be to have Kel-Tec beat you to a market?
>>30005290
Buy the conversion kit. I'd bet they'd be more than happy to work something out with you too.
>>30005257
I've heard seemingly reliably that they're finally shipping in late September/October.
>>30005360
>high end, professionally used, modular tools
>cheap, George Zimmerman's choice, jammed on him after the first round, not modular
>>30005259
Reviewers are saying the trigger is finally comparable to good triggers on standard rifles.
Any other objections to bullpups?
>>30005419
How exactly is the MDR used professionally? It doesn't even exist.
>>30005419
Rdb is 100% the same as a pf9 guys
>>30005197
Sure, here's one:
What if it's shitty?
>>30005434
Desert Tech's other products are used professionally, and I'm assuming it's comparable quality - like the RFB is comparable quality to a PF9.
>>30005747
And where is your RFB?
>>30005593
I haven't any indications it is, and obviously the question is assuming it isn't.
I mean, I thought of one reason - it's not available in a caliber suitable for dangerous game. But that aside, it seems like it could easily cover splendidly every other practical rifle use. For most people with only two calibers - .22LR and 7.62x51/7.62x39/6.8 SPC.
>>30005360
As if the RDB is actually on the market. Not a single one on even GB for months.
>>30005807
It's not obvious at all.
Here's another:
What if people don't like the aesthetics?
One more for free:
What if they don't like the ergonomics?
Stop shilling your raifu like it's the second coming of Christ. No one gun is ever gonna be perfect for everyone.
>>30005817
Yeah the two are in a dead heat on who can be in the "it's for sale guys really" but no actual stock available limbo the longest.
>>30005814
I mean, for you to comment on its quality level you certainly must have one right?
>>30005817
More out there than MDRs.
>>30005197
>30"
>semi-auto
>6.5 Creedmoor
>>30005837
>it's not obvious at all
Okay, so again to be clear: the question is being asked with that assumption. If it wasn't assuming that it's not shit why would I ask the question?
>What if people don't like the aesthetics?
I'm talking practical reasons, obviously lots of people are just going to have a lot more fun with a wood stock bolt action, and there's nothing wrong with that.
>What if they don't like the ergonomics?
I'm sure someone won't, but I think it's safe to assume that any advanced rifle developed in 2016 is going to have sound ergonomics.
>shilling
Not shilling, I have no stake in this, I'm just being a bit of a provocative wanker to get a discussion going.
>>30005844
Not of a finished product. They shipped a prototype and realized they fucked up, and are now working out the bugs as per usual keltec modus operandi.
They claim they've been running full production and shipping daily. When you ask them where they're going, they don't respond. They're not producing a damn thing at the moment.
>>30005844
>I mean, for you to comment on its quality level you certainly must have one right?
No, but it's not exactly esoteric or personal-experience-required knowledge to know about a gun's reliability. Kel-Tec has good designs but lackluster QC.
I don't own an RFB, but I've considered one in the past, and wound up not getting one for reasons not chiefly to do with reliability.
>>30005881
> possible complaint
>"well assuming that's NOT the case, what THEN?"
> current year fallacy
Anon you're making this too easy.
>>30005886
Yes, a finished product. Check KTOG. About 300 or 400 as of right now.
>>30005908
So in other words you don't really know what your talking about.
>>30005927
>300 or 400 as of right now
That number hasn't grown since December of 2015. Pay attention.
>>30005942
Yes, I know. But they have shipped a few hundred. Probably all they're gonna make for the rest of the year, but they still made and sold a competitive product before DT.
>>30005921
I'm talking about if there's a practical reason for someone to opt for another rifle. Yeah, ergonomics, possibly. But gun ergonomics are well understood at this point and every decent manufacturer pays attention to them.
What was the last newly developed gun that wasn't in the bottom price end of its category that shipped with shitty ergonomics?
>>30005927
Do you seriously think that there's any chance of Kel-Tec turning out a better product than Desert Tech?
>>30005991
Hard to argue the quality of an imaginary rifle. For the record though, I plan on buying both, if/when they ever hit the market.
>>30005978
I also think Kel-Tec started developed before Desert Tech?
It's also a substantially simpler product. It doesn't have interchangeable calibers.
Tweaking of Kel-Tec for its general bullshit aside, the RFB isn't a bad gun, I appreciate that Kel-Tec actually tries to innovate, but getting something to market sooner isn't a good sign of anything.
>>30006016
If you recall, this entire conversation was started by my statement here >>30005360 about Kel-tec beating DT to the market.
>>30006007
I think it's reasonable to assume the quality of something by the quality of what the company has produced before, and I think it's reasonable to appraise that from professional reviews and user reports.
>>30006036
Yeah, and I'm saying that's not worth much.
>>30005991
Are you autistic, anon? How hard is it to understand that ergonomics can never be great for everyone while still being the same? This is why there's aftermarket grips, stocks, furniture, etc.
For instance, I've hated every revolver I've ever fired, because I have huge hands and they have tiny, thin little grips.
A full sized 1911 is the only handgun that feels comfortable in hand for me so far.
I'm not trying to give you shit for being excited about a new gun, but you're trying to defend a gun you've never held using pure opinion tier arguments.
Also, never underestimate a gun company's ability to Fuck up ergonomics.
>>30005332
Oh my fuck
>>30005197
>>30005259
>>30005360
Hail to the king of bullpups.
>>30005238
Echo can shoot 308
>>30005197
Why does the 'compliant' one have '.223' and 'rem' on seperate lines?
> 0/10 typo would not buy
>>30005197
Echo looks most proportional and balanced.
>>30005991
Right now, Kel Tec makes an infinitely superior autoloading 7.62NATO bullpup when compared to Desert Tech.
Now, I wish Desert Tech would send me more emails now that they have had my money for a couple months.
