what were they trying to achieve
Hard to tell direction?
>>29999378
Try to make a ship not look like a ship and at a greater distance it would be harder to tell that it was a cargo vessel.
Normally a sub wouldn't want to get that close.
>>29999397
And speed
Supposed to help against torpedo attacks by subs
for the lion to understand its prey it must become the zebra itself
>>29999378
It makes it difficult to estimate direction of travel, range and speed. But hey, if you're that thick that you can't be bothered to spend 10s on Google you'll probably not understand the concept behind it.
It confuses mechanical rangefinders
>>29999378
Submariner here. Keeps you from determining "angle on the bow". Basically, which direction the target is traveling. You need to know target speed, direction target is traveling, bearing to target, your own direction and speed to generate a firing solution for torpedoes. Today, we have sonar data to back up visual observations, but angle on the bow is still entered into computations.
>>29999378
>what were they trying to achieve
what did he mean by this?
They were trying to obfuscate speed measurements by Germans. It didn't work but they kept it anyway for psychological reasons because the painting made the sailors feel safer thereby increasing morale.
>>29999421
>>29999378
Makes it harder for humans to properly "understand" what they're seeing. We're drawn to contrasts, so for example looking at a ship you'd notice it's bow, gun turrets, masts, etc. But if you add all those lines, they serve as a distraction and make it harder to make out details.
confusion for submarines trying to get a range, speed, and bearing.
not much use vs radar, sonar, etc, but very effective against mk1 eyeball.
>>29999423
Wasn't there a similar concept of dazzle camo that made something stand out so much , your brain just skipped over it? I could just be stupid but I think i read something along those lines.
>>30002605
No. That's stupid.
>>29999378
The ship was painted by an autist
>>30001108
i thought that was a pic of 2 ships facing away at a V angle
>>29999378
harder to get a range, speed, and bearing or do manual gunnery on it since it fucks with your eyes.
once guided shit came into play they stopped doing this since it didn't matter.
>>29999378
induce migraines in the enemy observer
>>29999421
12/10 best post of the month
Sir, the enemy ship is bearing a-
>>29999378
I like dazzle camo. I kind of what to paint an ar in a muted neon dazzle camo. Maybe black, burnt orange and navy.
>>29999421
this guy gets it
>>30003523
was that a sn
>>29999378
It does the same thing as a ghillie suit or tank camo. It's meant to break up the silhouette, outline, and lines of the ship.
It's not necessarily camo, but it makes it a bit harder to determine size, shape, direction, orientation, and speed of the ship, as well as where certain components are on the ship.
>>29999477
nope
>>30000583
It actually worked pretty well.
It didn't really work out
>>30000163
This, plus it had the unexpected benefice of morale boost for friendly forces because of how motherfucking rad the ships were.
>>30005296
until radar came
>>29999378
Once upon a time there was an aerodynamics genius named Adrian Newey and he was renowned for his creative and innovative ways to bring more downforce to F1 cars, but was relentlessly copied by other teams. So one year, at testing, the Red Bull team adopted "dazzle" camouflage to break up the outline of the car and make seeing aero differences more difficult. It looked fully sick and all the fans hoped they'd keep it for the season but they didn't because they were faggots.
Speaking of faggots, the navies of the world saw the car and totally stole the idea but because they have time travel but won't tell you they were able to make it look like they came up with it.
>>29999421
>>30001108
That makes my eyes hurt just looking at it
>>30002773
See? It works.
>>30000163
Am I retarded to say I imagine it would also make class identification more difficult? Not enough to justify the paint scheme but certainly a secondary effect.
>>30007430
Also I think I am retarded because I realize mostly they were identifying a silhouette which the paintjob wouldn't affect.
![paintbism19413sidelarge[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/46Akqcw.gif "paintbism19413sidelarge[1].gif")
Dazzle camo was cool alright but what the fuck were the germans trying to do with this?
Just to make it go faster?
>>29999421
>>30008421
Looks like the intent was to make it look smaller/farther away than it really was with the fake bow waves, as well as disguise the height with the stripes.
>>29999421
Made me laugh loudly in the quiet break room
>5 star post
That dazzle did indeed work along these lines is suggested by the testimony of a U-boat captain:[1]
It was not until she was within half a mile that I could make out she was one ship [not several] steering a course at right angles, crossing from starboard to port. The dark painted stripes on her after part made her stern appear her bow, and a broad cut of green paint amidships looks like a patch of water. The weather was bright and visibility good; this was the best camouflage I have ever seen.[1]
>>29999378
>Dazzle naval camo will never come back into vouge
Why even fucking live
>>30010207
>tfw you will never see H-44, Super Yamato and Montana-class battleships tearing eachother apart whilst painted with dazzle camo
![20150826113318_gloire2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6rlgm2T.jpg "20150826113318_gloire2[1].jpg")
>>30007436
>>30007430
It does makes identification a lot more difficult.
Tell me how many guns does pic have, and then compare it to the non-dazzled version.
https://clausuchronia.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/cl-la-gloire-1937.jpg
Bloody frog space magic.
Most countries also did paint false bow waves to make speed estimates more difficult.
>>30008421
Seen at an angle may confuse a lot more.
>>30007024
severely underrated /ok/ post
>>30011881
Jesus fuck it's like an m.c. esher painting.
>>29999421
>become the zebra itself
From Zen and the Art of Warfare.
how popular were those camo? Most old USN photo I've seen only have the ship in grey.
>>30012780
They were more widely used in WWI than WWII and I believe mostly used by the Royal Navy and a bit by the USN.
>>29999378
To piss off naval gunners trying to get range, and to make it hard to tell which part of the ship is which, and which way it's going.
>>29999477
Oh wow nope. Dumbest post of the day.
Go sit in a corner.
>>30011881
>thumbnail looks like an early gunpowder star fort built near coastline
Fuck, that's a very cost-effective camouflage. That must've been disorienting as hell viewed from a periscope without any gyros.
Bump for cool discussion and funny shitposting
This kind of camo was more post WW1 and WW1 era, after german submarines wreaked havoc in WW1, as well as normal gun-ships equipped with sighting that was typically purely visual as well made this more appealing. With the advent and radar and sonar, it became obselete
It makes it way harder to effectively discern an effective angle on bow. But submarines often liked to close in and engage at a short range that would make it hard to miss anyway.
>>29999378
To make it hard to determine the type, direction and speed of the vessel, which was especially important in case of submarines(but not only).
Overall it made hitting it much harder.
Pic related is a very simple example - HMS Nelsol in 1945, only armoured belt is painted dark blue or gray, the point of it is to make it "smaller" when you view it from periscope as the "lighter" parts of the ship would blend into the sky or the "darker" parts of it - into the sea.
It made determining that this fucking ship is HMS Nelsol which could do 23 knots at best and was of this and this length(which helped in calculating range) much, much harder.
>>30006985
Hence why it was only used before radar, stop being pedantic.
>>30011881
>>30005296
No it didn't
>>29999397
Bingo
>>30010170
>anecdotal evidence
Statistical analyis of the Royal Navy showed it had literally no effect.
>>29999421
![60280-54f39fcf42086[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ANWb1Wb.jpg "60280-54f39fcf42086[1].jpg")
post more dazzle
>>30011881
Apparently Palau used the black-and-white version of this pic to issue a stamp titled "WW1 british dreadnought". Great job, considering it's a french light cruiser made in 1937.
>>29999421
Holy shit.
>>29999421
>>30004791
Nah he threw up
>>30007024
I work in automotive. We still do this for prototypes on the plant floor today.
>>30020939
...I can't make heads or tails of that thing what the fuck
>>30023008
>camouflaging designs
Which is odd since most modern cars look the same anyway (i.e. like eggs)
>>30002605
That sounds about right. It wouldn't work but that's what they were going for.
>>29999421
/k/ had one one, but two septs wasted yesterday on shit posts. This right here was a deserving post.
>>30023069
>(i.e. like eggs)
>>30017637
That would be pretty effective against torpedo bombers since they estimate the speed using the length of the ship rather than using a rangefinder.
>>30000163
Why not just make entire ship out of bow, that way it would appear to move everywhere at once
>>30023258
>you see ivan
>>30020939
How many ships is this or is it just one ship folded multible times
>>30023258
>Not doing what India does
>Every deck is the poopdeck
>>30011881
Holy shit, that looks like a destroyer at first glance. Nicely done, France.
![novgorod1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/66EvSB1.jpg "novgorod1[1].jpg")
>>30023258
>>30023273
>you see Ivan
You joke, but the russians actually did it. It was the monitor Novgorod. It's real, check google.
A small design flaw, it acted like a spinning top when firing its guns. Great for sea-sickness.
>>29999421
shidd
>>30023870
Someone told me it spun in circles when it fired its guns
>>30023870
the absolute madmen
>>29999421
>>29999421
>>30023906
Yeah, I just did.
>>30020939
There is no way that couldnt have worked
>>30024247
Oh fuck... lol I didn't read that part. I meant someone else and I actually thought I was adding to the discussion instead of repeating what had already been said
>>29999421
