Hey /k/, what do you think it will be like when China finally makes a move on Japan, America fumbles coming to the call, and Japan finally starts up their own military again in earnest?
Obviously they're gonna kinda suck from 50+ years of not really existing, but I think the nips would really have a go at it since A. Japan already through and through seems to fetishize the military B. Not wanting to lose whatever their next conflict is and be militaryless for another 50+ years.
Whatcha think /k/, the nips still got some fight in them or has 50 years of anime fried their aggression bone?
From a source of dubious reliability, only 4% of Japan's population said that they would fight if their country was invaded/attacked by a foreign nation.
>>29997434
Japan's only advantage vs. China is their submarine fleet. Not even their Navy, that will be sunk completely by the overwhelming ASBM and AShM force of the PLA, and the PLAAF after achieving air-superiority against the largely obsolete JASDF.
But with the new Undersea Great Wall and China's own fuckhuge submarine fleet, even that advantage will not stand for long.
Japan knows this. And the moment Trump wins the election and offers the Japs to either pay up or try hard themselves, the Japanese will accept Chinese hegemony just like they did for centuries before the arrival of the Black Ships of Admiral Perry.
>>29997434
Demographic crisis will fuck Japan much harder than Chinese.
In fact Chinese own demographic crisis actually gives them the advantage as they have the advantage of having that ~20 something millions of "surplus" men they can form invading army from and promise them women as a reward.
>Japan already through and through seems to fetishize the military
Nah not really. It might not be obvious from whatever Chinese cartoons you're watching, but the JSDF is kind of an embarrassing/shameful profession. Thats not to say that the guys themselves aren't willing and capable, but they really don't have much public support. Its viewed as worse than a garbage collector or street sweeper, something only the dregs of society would do. Thats half the reason that their propaganda targets NEETs, because they are the only demographic who don't have family pressure to do anything else.
>>29997501
>the Japanese will accept Chinese hegemony just like they did for centuries before the arrival of the Black Ships of Admiral Perry
Yeah, like that time when they invaded area with the express goal of using it as an assembly area for invading China...
Or the rest of the time, when they generally just ignored the Chinese except for the odd bout of piray agianst chinese shipping.
>>29997535
>Yeah, like that time when they invaded area with the express goal of using it as an assembly area for invading China...
And got defeated by Coreans.
Shamefur dispray.
>>29997501
>+50 yuan
Japan at the very least doesn't suffer the crippling corruption issues of the PLA. For all the anti-shipping missiles they build, it cant change that Chinas military is on the same level as Russias military was in the 90s.
>>29997531
>>29997529
>>29997496
This. Japanese leftist culture and their pacifist ways really fucked up thier support for the military and support for their national identity.
>>29997535
And even if the Imjin War was a shitfest for the Koreans and Chinese, they still won at the end and Japan grudgingly accepted their status as a vassal kingdom (At least Ming-China acknowledged Hideyoshi's successor for being a King, and not just a babarian) that could enjoy preferable trade with China.
>Or the rest of the time, when they generally just ignored the Chinese except for the odd bout of piray agianst chinese shipping.
In the end, the Chinese Hegemony wasnt all that hegemonic, which is why nominal vassals actually could 'ignore' the Hegemon China all the time and still perform piracy and raids against them. Try that with any European or American hegemony throughout history and see what happens.
China's hegemony is as laissez faire as it can get. You just pay lip-service that the Chinese are the bestest and the sons of heaven etc. and receive lavish gifts and trade offers in return for cheap and worthless furs from your side as 'tribute'.
And in Korea and Tibet's case, you can still call them for help if Japs or Ghurkas are invading you.
>>29997434
About 20 years back it came to light that Japoan has 18 tons uranium. Oh and it is ENTIRELY for peaceful purposes. For real. Oh yes.
>>29997557
The PLA is getting cleaned up nowadays. And corruption wasnt an issue for the longest time under Mao and Deng. It was especially under Jiang and Hu, which were respectively very corrupt themselves or simply powerless and had no control over the PLA.
Under a Mao-styled strongman ruler, as Xi Jinping doublessly is, the PLA is a streamlined and efficient organization.
>>29997569
While all this is true, I could also see the start of a real military in japan suddenly turning around all those sad jobless boys in japan if the justification was there (IE Chinks)
>>29997614
>>29997569
>>29997531
perspective is needed here
all the talk about japs thinking that serving in the defense forces is shameful comes from channels that are equivalent to those in the US that proclaim soldiers as welfare queens
>>29997599
>streamlined and efficient
>pla
It's so obvious, go back to shill academy in long dong province
>>29997501
>And the moment Trump wins the election and offers the Japs to either pay up or try hard themselves
http://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/japan/japan-agrees-to-five-year-pact-to-pay-for-u-s-defense-1.128712
would you like to hasten the GET a bit?
Japan's navy and airforce are not jokes. China would have to burn up a lot of their navy and airforce before they even think about making landings or paradrops.
>>29997797
While true on that, US culture views vs Japanese cultural views on military are very different. The US still has its pro Military campaigns and support as well as veteran services and volunteers without being treated like shit (Except on the events of the Vietnam War thanks to the damn hippies, and possibly the Iraq-Afghanistan War). The leftist pacifist culture is a very strong in influence to the Japanese Civillian populations, including in Congress (Have you seen those fist fights between the left and right parliamentry member when revising Article 9 of their Constitution). In short, anti military views are much stronger in Japan than in the US
>>29997797
I disagree. In the US the "welfare queen" thing is a minority, whereas in japan the pervading cultural belief is that Abe should spend money on something worthwhile instead of wasting it on the defense force. I think some anons are exaggerating in saying that they are viewed as trash, but the jsdf certainly aren't wanted until they are needed as far as most japanese are concerned.
>>29997822
I think you mean
>Small Dong province
>>29997582
>and Japan grudgingly accepted their status as a vassal kingdom
Yeah, a "vassal" that never actually had any intention to do anything for their supposed liege and only agreed to it to get some trade routes open.
>Try that with any European or American hegemony throughout history and see what happens.
Much the same over long periods of time, interrupted by the odd punitive expedition is how it went for most of the time.
>>29998864
>Yeah, a "vassal" that never actually had any intention to do anything for their supposed liege and only agreed to it to get some trade routes open.
That's how Chinese hegemony always were. No vassal actually felt like a vassal aside of doing lip-service to the Chinese emperor. This is why the Chinese tributary system wheathered the millenia as oppossed to the short-lived western and japanese hegemonies that were built on violent imperial enforcement.
Chinese hegemony was very liberal and noone actually felt that he was subject to anyone, aside of the fact that their culture experienced influx of Chinese traditions.
>Much the same over long periods of time, interrupted by the odd punitive expedition is how it went for most of the time.
Not a single European empire ever could maintain a multi-millenia (or even multi-century) hegemony in their way. Having to use punitive expeditions to maintain a hegemony shows that that hegemony is inherently unstable. And the US hegemony is merely 60 years old and already in decline due to their excessive use of punitive expeditions and violent enforcement of rule.
>>29997822
You cant compare an army of the size of the PLA with the small Japanese or ROK armed forces.
For the size, the PLA has maintained a very efficient modernization campaign, with a high standard of standardization and informatization.
Maybe you should read some of Dennis J. Blasko's books about the Chinese army today, instead shitposting in an imageboard.
If you are too autistic to read a book, here are some good articles by him from the Jamestown Foundation:
http://www.jamestown.org/articles-by-author/?no_cache=1&tx_cablanttnewsstaffrelation_pi1%5Bauthor%5D=217
But I guess some shitposting fat weeb is too dumb for that. Reading professional works require a certain level of intelligence. Something I do not see by your posts.
>>29997856
Japan's navy is no joke, but their airforce is.
Obsolete early F-15C level fighter jets that cant even launch active radar BVRAAMs (only Sparrows) and a few overpriced and underperforming F-2s wont hold the line against the thrice number of more capable 4th gen fighter jets in China's service, which are all capable of launching active radar BVR missiles.
Not to mention that Japan's main frontline bases are all on small islands that are vulnerable to Chinese missile attacks.
>>29999195
>Chinese hegemony always were
"for Only Koreans"
Not for Far East Russaians,Taiwanese, vietnamese.
Koreans proud of them as Inferior Chinese, and Chinsese are SuperiorKoreans
>>29999391
>Far East Russaians
There were no white far east Russians before Czarist Russia took away that part of China. Those who lived there were Nomad people closely associated with the Mongols and Manchu, letter of which were the rulers in China and were allied with the former, consisting the ruling-class above the Han during that time.
>Taiwanese
Taiwanese are also a new thing. There were Taiwanese aboriginals before the first Chinese went there back at the end of the Ming Dynasty, but those were more related with the Philippine/Oceanian people and knew nothing of the Chinese empire. The 'modern' Taiwanese that cries so much about Chinese oppression were Ming-Dynasty Chinese themselves, who fled the takeover of the Manchu Qing Dynasty. And yes, they oppressed the aboriginals pretty hard when they fled there, which is why today's aboriginal parties on Taiwan actually arent so much pro-independence, but actually friendly with the Mainland because they think that being a minority of the PRC would protect their identity more than being part of a !notChinese 'Modern Taiwanese' ruled independent pan-green country. The oppression they have experienced came from their hands - not from the hands of the mainlanders.
>Viets
I give you that, but only because the Vietnamese decided to oust their King, who was supported by China at that time, and who has begged Chinese officials to send an army to get him back to power. Before that, the Viets voluntarily assimilated themselves into the sinosphere, which is why their entire culture is a carbon copy of the Chinese culture.
Koreans indeed are the proudest of Chinese vassals, as they actually were loyal to the Ming for as far as it took the Qing-Dynasty to pressure them into acknowledging the new regime in China. Koreans honoured their treaties with China all the time.
But another good vassal was actually Tibet, who decided to become a tributary of China when they helped them to fight back the Nepali Ghurka invasion.
>>29999659
>Koreans honoured their treaties with China all the time
Exactly.
plus.
Koreans honoured their treaties with America all the time.
also,Koreans are hiding their hostile against their master country,Anti-China, Anti-America emotions.
they think what true Chinese and Americans are Koreans for damage control
>>29997434
thats some quality shitposting, comrade.
Every country in East Asia v. North Korea and China. No foreign intervention.
Who wins?
>>29997880
no, it is not and nowhere near that it is a "pervading cultural belief"
japs lack the whole "support muh troops" thing but japs view having an armed forces as just a natural part of being a modern nation
>>29997501
>has the gall to call the JASDF obsolete when the PLAAF is literally 80% MiG-21 knockoffs
