So I recently watched Captain America: Civil War and it got me thinking. Personally I side with Stark because I think Captain America is a self righteous cunt.
But theoretically if there was ateam of superhumans or technology like the Iron Man suit should people with these things be accountable and have to report to a Governing body like NATO or the UN or should these "human weapons" be allowed effective free reign?
>>29992121
Free reign, responsible for their own actions though.
>>29992190
But what would held accountable mean? Like what happened throw them in superjail?
>>29992203
The govt. would have a super human hunting team as a branch of the FBI or something to arrest those who commit crimes. Then jail/internment specialized to deal with them.
It's just an arms race similar to how the FBI originated.
>>29992121
>makes the suit himself
>implies he should be beholded to the government
do things for yourself DON'T TREAD ON ME REEE
>Personally I side with Stark because I think Captain America is a self righteous cunt.
>Being principled about freedom and personal responsibility makes you self-righteous
Hello Statist
As a liberty loving radical libertarian who prizes freedom above all else, I'd argue for an oversight committee similar to what is proposed in the Marvel Universe. There's no reason these people should have unlimited power and boundless jurisdiction by invading sovereign lands.
>>29992351
It's not so much about that, I dislike him because of his complete disregard for civilian casualties. At least stark has the thought to say yes we have killed hundreds if not more innocent people maybe we should hold back a little. The Capn is just like 'shit happens' even though he can see the effect it is having on the team
>>29992334
Arms race is best race.
Literally, why not both.
Also that was a nice twist to the movie with Stark finding out about his parents.
>>29992121
>So I recently watched Captain America: Civil War
I haven't and I'm not reading your thread but Kroger's has/had free google cardboard viewers in celebration of the movie. You're supposed to use it with your smartphone but what I wanted to say is pornhub has free vr porn that works with them.
Reminder that it is possible for the Avengers to remain a non-governmental institution and yet still be kept in line by being subject to prosecution of they act egregiously
Putting them under command of the UN will, as Cap said, make them vulnerable to agenda-setting.
>>29992389
so, everyone forgets that captain america was actually a profficient battlefield commander in WWII. This is why he "leads" the avengers. He understands superheroes are the trump card that can win a battle and that there is such a thing as acceptable losses that make superheroes worth while.
>>29992428
Yes but acceptable losses in world war 2 is not the same as acceptable losses in the 21st century, back then if hundreds of thousands died in the blitz and bombing of Europe that's acceptable, now if a precision strike so much as scratches a civilian there's international outrage
>>29992354
haha, that sums it up pretty well. Stark is the one who is all about himself, even though his character arc and his own belief would suggest otherwise. He is still the same selfish dude from the first Iron Man movie.
I liked Bucky's M249 with the side feeding magazine. Kind of looked like a Surefire 100 mag
>>29992203
Government would keep shield and use them as a police force against ppl with power or technology that normal police could not handle.
Like Warmachine has his own armor...he is airforce and does missions etc for them. He could be utilized as a police force....If shield can talk Thor into it, Thor could help build prisons that can contain ppl with powers and shit like they did with Loki and many others.
>shall not be infringed
>>29992121
A lot of people shit on stark for constantly fucking up, but remember when scarlet witch mind fucked all of them. Stark's worse fear was seeing all his friends die and earth falling to aliens. The Captain's was the end of the war. Let that sink in for a moment. Tony's fuck ups were try to end the fight. The Captain doesn't ever want to end. If he were a Vietnam vet and not a WW2 vet everyone would problem think he was an unhinged crazy dude for salivating at killing dudes.
Do you really want a super dude who's worst nightmare is the end of the fight to be running around without accountability? I wouldn't.
>>29992727
The character of the person espousing the principle does not directly reflect on the validity of the principle.
That's without getting into how Captain America not wanting the fight to be over is definitely not the same as say the Punisher not wanting the fight to be over.
>>29992121
>wanting govt shills to control everything
>not enjoying freedom as it's fullest
>shiggy diggy
>>29992351
>principled about freedom and personal responsibility
>Protects his terrorist buddy because they likely had a gay romance in the old days.
Yeah, nah. He's a cunt.
>>29992366
>There's no reason these people should have unlimited power and boundless jurisdiction by invading sovereign lands.
Wait, doesn't that already exist in US law? If you commit a crime anywhere in the world, you are under US jurisdiction, right?
In my opinion, if they don't commit a crime, they don't need to get fucked up by the government. They're humans.
Now Tony Stark, on the other hand, created a weapon that would fall under ATF regulation almost immediately. That's different from Cap just doing normal things. He's no different from a super-athlete. Yes, they have greater capacity to do bad shit, but so do normal people.
>>29992401
Literally this. Can you fucking imagine Captain America and Iron Man doing the bidding of other countries not named the US?
>>29992460
This is all true, but which set of morals is 'right'?
I mean, we can avoid civilian casualties and just let the helicarriers kill a whole bunch of people or let the aliens take the planet or allow the insane AI to extermine all of humanity.
WWII loses were acceptable because the world was at stake. When aliens invade, the AI loses it's shit or the illuminati decide to socially engineer everything with flying guns, the world is at stake.
Everyone else needs to see the scope. Captain America has lived through it and knows full well what it takes to keep shit of that scale from coming to pass. Thousands of lives or literally all of them.
That's not a hard call. Living with the consequences is the hard part.
And that's why Stark is so pro-oversight; he can't bear the burden.
>>29992916
>i haven't watched the movie: the post
>>29993202
That was hydra, not the illuminati. They'll come into play later.
>>29993202
Yes but after World War 2 people were held accountable for what happened, their actions and decisions and the lives that those decisions cost leading to the creation of things like the UN. So what that The Cap'n saw that shit, so did everyone else on planet earth.
>>29993391
Seeing it =/= Living it
I don't recall any RAF Generals being held accountable for firebombing shit. Or American politicians for Nuking Japan.
Loki got held accountable for his shit, not Thor.
If you don't start shit, but finish it, surprisingly, you're not usually held accountable by old school warfare standards.
>>29993478
But again this isn't old school, and if he is still living in 1944 then someone needs to give him a reality check, this is a society that does hold people accountable for what they do.
I don't care how many times he ducked buckys dick he shouldn't have fucked off kicking the shit out of German law enforcement, American law enforcement, shit his actions even led to another avenger being paralyzed. I'm waiting for him to bowl into the wrong country and get strung up and shot.
>>29993536
He's not living in 1944. He's living in the new age for Earth, where Alien Invasions, Mad AI's and secret organizations make legit attempts to seize the planet.
Nobody else is living in that age quite to the extend he is yet. The fact it resembles 1944 only made it easier for him to get with the times.
Also, if police came for you and you were innocent, wouldn't you fight back if the order was to kill? You'd hope your friend would...
As of for Warmachine, Stark is just as responsible. He ordered Vision to take the shot; heaven forbid someone attempt to not get hit and your wingman was in the line of fire.
By the way, Stark wasn't held responsbile for it. An F-18 lead would have been if he told a infantry unit with a stinger to let it off the chain with his wingman in the line of fire, but Stark is still a free man.
So in the end, the guy who wanted accountability most still avoided it... yet it's fine for everyone else.
Modern ideas of accountability are fine... until the world is literally in the balance, then that shit goes out the window because, if nobody is left afterwards to discuss if something was right or wrong, then the decision that gets there is probably wrong.
>>29993644
Well at the time the police came for him he didn't know he was innocent he was just going but bucky couldnt, and then it turns out that some mumbo jumbo words can turn that guy into some Russian killer.
>>29993697
Actually, considering Cap 'knew' Bucky killed Stark's parents, Cap very likely 'knew' Bucky was programed somehow. Cap and Falcon were hunting for him and had a lot of info (apparently a whole lot if Cap knew about Stark's family) so it's quite likely Cap was operating off more than just gut instincts.
then I should demand you register as a civilian.
oh btw , ... bitch. this is all metal.
>>29992121
FUCK YOU FAGGOT TEAM CAP
>>29993536
>Vision's bad aim is somehow Cap's fault
wew lad
The original civil war comic was a thinly veiled metaphor for gun control and if any of you say you're team iron man you're on the wrong board
>>29992460
The US should hand over its sovereignty to the UN and allow the UN to pass sweeping firearms regulations which override the constitutional right to bear arms. Too many innocent people are killed in shootings and people are dying at a rate which is unacceptable in the modern world. This isn't the wild west anymore, it's time to move forward as a society.
>>29993005
>Wait, doesn't that already exist in US law? If you commit a crime anywhere in the world, you are under US jurisdiction, right?
Pretty sure no, you can commit crimes outside of the US and not be charged in America for them.
>>29993237
Nice try, bitch nigger. I saw that 2 1/2 hour nerd fest. I don't give two shits if bucky was being triggered by programming. The fact of the matter is that Cap chose his friend with gallons of blood on his hands over the avengers and any and every security personnel that got in his way.
Now him and his merry band of fugitives are going to be attacked by every nation they dare to show their faces in. Yeah, swell fucking job there Cap.
>>29992121
An unmentioned factor: Stark's armor makes the Iron Man. Cap can't be disarmed, he is the weapon, the shield is just a fancy Frisbee. He's capable of being an ordinary infantryman, and in fact he'd likely be more effective if forced to use conventional weapons.
>>29994052
I should elaborate, Stark could actually be stripped of his suit, all those fancy Ironman implants removed, and be stuffed in a room somewhere, maybe forced to make weapons again.
>>29994022
>and any and every security personnel that got in his way.
Considering he deliberately incapacitated them without killing them while they were actively trying to kill him I don't think that matters at all.
>over the avengers
Half of them voluntarily joined him.
>>29993478
And I do not recall any Luftwaffe generals being held accountable for places like Rotterdam, Warsaw, Coventry or London. Goering got dicked cause he was a long time Nazi who deffo knew about and ignored warcrimes even if he did not directly support them.
>>29992727
His worst nightmare was having to deal with a relationship that he didn't feel equipped for, that being frozen in ice saved him from.
He was literally afraid he wasn't going to be interesting enough to the woman he loved, once the thing he new how to do was not needed any more.
Sure, the end of the war is part of that, but it's got a lot more to do with his own insecurity vis a vis women.
His greatest fear was going on a date, I can't believe that 4chan can't see this.
>>29992121
Anon, what was your opinion when it was the mutants who needed to be reigned in and registered? Because the X-Men were sidelined throughout Civil War so Marvel could pretend they don't pull this plot out of their ass every year or two.
Also Black Panther needs to go back to Wakanda. There is no place for a foreign king to be engaging in violent armed political vigilantism in America. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's an act of war. You don't see Barry O punching out Russians because Putin doesn't like the gays, now do you?
>>29993697
Captain was going to retire until Hunter ordered the GSG 9 to kill Bucky, then he left saying "I'm the only one who can bring him in and live".
Goddamn, pay attention.
>>29994226
>Go back to Wakanda.
>Implying this isn't exactly what he did.
>>29993940
What if I'm team Richards?
Putting gun owners into concentration camps and sending out teams of murderers to enforce discipline is cool right? Also we should make a clone/robo Thor, what could go wrong?
>>29994274
I haven't actually been to a movie theater in I don't know how long. Watchmen, maybe.
I just like yelling 'Go back to Wakanda' at the TV and getting weird rooms from people.
>>29992121
What is the phrase I'm looking forREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>29994321
It's worth the ten bucks I paid for the ticket. Though that might just be because I'm a sucker for choreography, which is beautiful.
>>29992121
SHALL
>>29994092
cause that worked out well the first time
>>29994349
NOT
>>29994361
It could work out fairly well if they dissappeared Pepper.
>>29992121
The UN all sat down to listen to Anita Sarkeesian talk about how oppressed first world women were by videogames while a country that only just recently criminalized wife-beating leads their human rights council.
And these are people you think should get to make the call on where and when to deploy superheros?
>Sir, there's been a massive flooding in rural India. We want the Avengers to help evacuate survivors
>NO! They must go to America and give talks about privilege!
Fuck you, Cap was right.
>>29992121
>I think Captain America is a self righteous cunt.
He's literally the avatar of the Constitution you fuckwit.
>>29994396
>if they dissappeared Pepper.
FUCK YOU I LIKE HER.
>>29992354
L O L
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>>29994415
Meh. Though then again, I get a why boner from Gwyneth Paltrow as a redhead.
i havent seen this, but arent they already working for shield which is part of the gov?
And even if they aren't isnt everything they do already illegal?
>>29994435
>I get a why boner from Gwyneth Paltrow as a redhead.
Because Pepper is just plain yummy.
>>29994460
>arent they already working for shield which is part of the gov?
S.H.I.E.L.D. is more like a global security force, not really the government, although the UN has a choker on it.
>>29994460
Shield turned out to be hydra 2, electric bugaloo.
Now they're all, "Well the last time we answered to the oversight of a massive, shadowy organization it turned out to be corrupt and evil, so let's instead answer to a massive, shadowy organization!"
>>29994499
>Shield turned out to be hydra 2, electric bugaloo.
What the fuck. I seriously hope this isn't Fury's agenda.
>>29992121
>tfw no good movies with the most /k/ superhero
>>29992121
Registration leads to extermination!
>>29994620
>>tfw no good movies with the most /k/ superhero
No, but he was in Daredevil, also the 2004 Punisher is worth watching at any fucking rate.
Also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWpK0wsnitc
>>29994537
Nope, it was Zola's game. Or did you not see/pay attention during Winter Soldier?
>>29994537
Watch Winter Soldier, now.
>>29994782
>. Or did you not see/pay attention during Winter Soldier?
>>29994844
>Watch Winter Soldier, now.
HA. I just bought it tonight.
>>29992121
Can we all take a moment to appreciate the brief ray of violent sunshine that was Crossbones?
>>29994226
>Barry O punching out Russians because Putin doesn't like the gays
I feel like this is one of those win-win proposals, if it's allowed to run to the inevitable conclusion.
>>29992121
>Personally I side with Stark because I think Captain America is a self righteous cunt.
nigger what.....? Has 'Common Core' deluded you retards into thinking the opposite is the right answer? Capt America actually stuck to his guns and fought for what he believes what right in terms of his own moral compass. He was not swayed by "big brother"s strongarming, nor by tripleagent Bigtitswithplumpdicksuckinglips sex appeal.
Its sad that this movie wasn't that great at all, content-wise. It was just CGI, CGI, CGI fightscenes on top of not-so-subtle propaganda and youth conditioning.
Anyone else go watch Captain America: Civil War, and notice this shit?
>Capt Amurrica flys in, says "Body armor, AR15s, I make 7 hostiles"
He doesn't call them M16's / M4's like they are, but rather an AR15.....
>Antagonist ride off in a MRAPesque vehicle
>"He's getting away in a AFV!"
He doesn't call it an MRAP / Oshkosh Defense JLTV, because that'd mis-condition the youth.
>SecDef: "We can't have a group of private individuals running around unsupervised. Here, agree to this bullshit that says you will only operate under the UN's supervision and when you say so. If you dont agree, then you will be 'retired'."
(Can't have you undermining our schemes and ruses in 3rd world shitholes to ploy our NWO, even if you have taken upon yourselves the daunting task of keeping the world safe by any means necessary. We need the common people to see that even heros are only able to be if the UN / big government allows it.)
>Ironman, which has had the most screentime and largest repetiore, fully agrees to the bullshit commitment agreement because "m-muh feelings!", instilling the idea into childrens minds by means of an already imprinted character whom the little ones desire to be.
>Pretty little big titty'd bitch pushes conformism: "Just because its the path of least resistance doesnt mean it is the wrong one. (Fuck your ideals) Staying together is more important than how we stay together."
>>29994918
Was wondering when Captain Autismo would show up.
>>29994918
Fuck you it's a choreographical masterpiece mixing top grade CGI with old school stunt work and martial arts cinematics. These are some of the most intricate and well constructed fights to grace the big screen.
>>29995024
>choreographical masterpiece
>These are some of the most intricate and well constructed fights to grace the big screen.
You gotta be over 18 to post here pal. You obviously haven't watched many movies if you think that is true, or are just parroting what moviecriticreviews.com wrote. I bet you thought Mad Max was the shit too, didn't you?
>>29994943
>resorts to namecalling
why dont you try and compile your thoughts into an actual retort, instead of being a simpleton?
>>29995086
Not that guy, but I like the mad max films.
>>29993960
Cure Brazil first.
>>29995185
I hate the text layout on shit like this.
>>29995086
Didn't see mad max. I go see the Cap movies cause, since the second one, the fight and stunt work is top notch. They trained Chris really well for the role, and it shows. Moreover, MCU has gotten very good at presenting multiple powersets seemlessly in play in the same shot, which is something they've improved on in both Avengers movies, avd now again in Civil War. That MCU flavor of blending every viewpoint and contribution to the battle into one experience is why they come.
>>29994918
>instilling the idea into childrens minds by means of an already imprinted character whom the little ones desire to be.
Did you miss the part where the title character refused to go along with all of that bullshit? Did you completely miss how the movie to some degree mirrors our current political situation in the US between libretarianism and authoritarianism? Was the red, white, and blue costume and the name "Captain America" not enough to tell you that he's supposed to symbolize the core ideals that made America what it is and what it is to be an American? They're not subtle about this shit at all, like fuck just look at Winter Soldier. The NSA "we can spy on everyone everywhere and kill anyone with impunity" death machines? The government spying organization being hijacked by power hungry pseudo Illuminati group?
It's remarkable how all things considered in Hollywood these days that Captain America got made the way it did.
>>29995366
>It's remarkable how all things considered in Hollywood these days that Captain America got made the way it did.
Because most people today are too daft to even realize that shit when it's right in front of them, the poster you wrote that for is a perfect example. The people doing shady shit can get away with doing it no matter what media or news comes out about them, short of them saying "HEY WE'RE DOING THIS!" themselves.
>>29995529
Consider Civil War to be an attempt at reaching all these little shit heads we have running around, an attempt to cut through the bullshit with a message that, if heeded, will change people for the better.
>>29995366
To be fair, in print the Civil War series had a massive problem with the staff not being on board with each other as to what the fuck story they were writing. So you went from Tony Stark is legitimately concerned about superheroes killing dozens of children as collateral with no oversight to 'extra-dimensional gulags for the dissidents, amirite?' depending on the issue in question.
It would not be surprising that some of that would still manage to seep into the movie script.
>>29994918
>>Capt Amurrica flys in, says "Body armor, AR15s, I make 7 hostiles"
>He doesn't call them M16's / M4's like they are, but rather an AR15.....
This was really the only point you had that didn't enter humanities' dissertation levels of reaching.
>>29995687
You can tell that Cap being so redblooded was bought with T'challa representing what good authority looks like; free healthcare for Bucky.
>So a lot of people have died from our actions...
>M-muh rights!!!!
>>29995791
Yeah, they even show you the bodycounts. It's chump change compared to what it would have been otherwise. Any fool can see the Avengers do more good than harm.
>>29995797
And if they had actual officials helping, they could save even more people.
>>29995807
>If only they had been bound up with paperwork and not allowed to interfere until it was too late, so many more could have been saved!
No.
>>29993478
>Or American politicians for Nuking Japan.
why should they?
>>29995814
>I am so retarded I think they would actually be filling out paperwork on the battlefield
>>29992121
SHALL
>>29995828
MEME
>>29993478
>Or American politicians for Nuking Japan.
They did. We reelected Truman.
Fuck the Nips.
>>29995825
The UN is the most impotent organization when it comes to mobilizing any sort of task force. Look at UN PKFs in Africa, their ROE is so strict that they end up doing fucking nothing.
>>29995897
So you think we shouldnt regulate guns because the people in charge of them might not be great with them?
>>29995905
Why regulate guns at all?
>>29992121
Starks a hypocrite.
The goverment had to steal the war machine suit. Hes hardly the one to lecture about goverment control.
>>29994415
I like her in short shorts.
Best she ever looked.
>>29995825
>UN
>On the battlefield
>Implying they would be allowed anywhere near a battlefield
>Implying they wouldn't listen to talks about patriarchy in videogames instead
>>29995938
Stark is a case of Dunning-Kruger effect. He sees all he's built and assumes he's competent, but in reality his girl runs his company while he wrecks face. So on comes anything more complicated than pooping on drug trafficers, and Tony forgets he can't manage his way out of a cardboard box and into some fresh underwear after a 72 hour suit-building binge. He represents everything bad about appeal to authority, in that it looks it's most appealing when the individual considering it is completely out of his or her depth, and assumes that because he's compromised, everyone must be compromised.
>>29993644
>Stark is just as responsible. He ordered Vision to take the shot
War Machine called in the shot.
>>29992916
>Stark, the capitalist-turned-facist
>In an effort to protect humanity from itself, creates an omnipotent AI which turns out to be hell-bent on destroying humanity
>Instead of learning his lesson, he immediately reacts by creating ANOTHER totalitarian AI to take down Ultron
>Follows up by advocating highly-corruptable statist policies
I thought Steve's sheltering of Bucky was pretty retarded too, but Tony's clearly the bigger fuckwad here.
>>29996436
>Implying Vision isn't playing the long game in a very hands-off way.
>Implying that even as Tony and Cap are coming to a head, Vision isn't moving for conflict resolution and damage control.
>>29994365
EAT
>>29995833
CONSTANTLY
>>29996758
HOT
>>29992389
to be fair though the whole "way too many civilian casualties in Sokovia" was a bit off for me especially that way the woman at MIT blamed stark, as if the comparitively miniscule number of casualties in that city made saving the entire fucking world not worth it.
the fact that there are casualties is always terrible but in a "100000(?) die vs 7000000000 die situation it has a pretty clear answer.
>>29993964
Its only the ICC that has unlimited jurisdiction, and that's in Europe.
>>29992121
I'm not one to trade freedom for security, but I definitely think Captain America should answer for the wilful destruction of the Triskelion and the three advanced Helicarriers AFTER the threat was neutralised.
Ever since the end of Winter Soldier I believed that Captain America was a threat to the very people and nation he swore to protect.
He is like one of those anti-gunners grieving family members that thinks taking everyones legal access to guns away will make us all safer since a minority of the population can't be trusted with guns.
>>29992203
I've not watched the movie so I'm not going to read any further in the thread but in the comics they did have a superjail
>>29994220
He's like the most successful of anons, accomplishing their dreams but still gigantic faggots.
>>29992389
We did what we had to
>>29996771
SUPER
>>29997005
#whoisshe
>>29997352
HOT
>>29992121
Keep in mind the events of previous movies:
Cap, working for SHIELD, was basically being used by HYDRA until he starting asking questions, and then they tried to launch automated platforms to kill everyone who'd be a threat to their reign. So from his perspective, the Avengers being under that control is extremely dangerous.
Stark, on the other hand, is basically responsible for an entire city being destroyed by something he made in a flash of poorly thought out inspiration because there was nobody to tell him no.
So essentially, they have reversed positions of where they'd normally be because of things they've experienced.
And who gets fucked the most by the Sokovia Accords? Local heroes like Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and Spiderman.
>>29992527
They should've just attached a drum to it, but I guess the mag looked more Liefeldian.
>>29992535
>If shield can talk Thor into it, Thor could help build prisons that can contain ppl with powers and shit like they did with Loki and many others.
1: SHIELD no longer officially exists. They've got bigger issues to deal with, keeping the Inhuman issues and HYDRA in check, you're thinking of their White side unit, ATCU, that's one of SHIELD's commands but publicly under General Talbot.
2: Those power-blocking prisons already exist on earth, SHIELD has them.
>>29997398
You will have to tin eye reverse search, unfortunately I don't know.
>>29992121
>hurr we need to put you boys in check you're fucking things right up
The only reason these people are even alive to bitch about New York and Sekovia getting blown up is because the Avengers stopped the invasion and giant rock from falling, which would've been a global enslavement or extinction event. Stark and that whiny senator can go fuckthemselves.
>>29997412
SPAGHETTI
>>29997346
Won't lie, that game fucked me up a bit for a few hours after playing.
>>29997781
I know a dude who had ptsd issues
he guessed the twist pretty quick and could only play the game in small chunks before getting uncomfortable (not like episodes or shit just a little uneasy)
>>29997714
It still does not excuse Captain Americas actions in the end of Winter Soldier.
He willingly destroyed US Government property and dismantled an intelligence agency without authorisation or authority to do so.
He destroyed the Triskelion and the three advanced Helicarriers AFTER the threat was neutralised.
Captain America is a threat to the defence infrastructure of America, if not the world.
>>29997714
The giant rock was up in the air only because the Avengers made the robot.
>>29992366
>here's no reason these people should have unlimited power and boundless jurisdiction by invading sovereign lands.
How would you stop Hulk or Thor? There is a reason they were left out of Civil War, they can do what the fuck they like and no one can stop them.
>>29997781
>>29997805
Meh, it was just Heart of Darkness crossed with Fight Club.
>>29997940
Captain America was only fucking shit up because the US Army could only build one super soldier and not control him.
>>29997960
The vision should have been equally OP
>>29998026
Vision is more dangerous than Thor and Hulk.
>>29995807
>save even more people
>forgetting that the council of multiculturalism ok'd the nuke on new york
>>29995086
Mad Max was the shit.
Just because you lack taste, doesn't mean you need to take it out on everyone else.
>>29994052
>Didn't see Iron Man 3
You missed a pretty important revelation Stark had: The suit's powerful, yes, but it's Stark's mind and engineering genius that makes him Iron Man. He was stuffed in an Afghani cave with a bunch of scrap and made a breakthrough in arc reactor design and built a fully functional power armor. What do you think he'd do if you put him in a fully-equipped lab?
>>29997918
Cap is a Paladin. He is the ultimate embodiment of American virtue, and will make the effort to fix shit that's wrong as long as he's still breathing.
Hydra was a genuine threat to everyone, and those carriers were the means of dominance.
>>29995086
Mad Max was a good demonstration of how well camera work can be done though. There wasn't much effects used... much
>>29997918
Said helicarriers and government agency were run by fucking Hydra, and poised to kill thousands. Go fuck yourself.
>>29997005
>I'm not one to trade freedom for security, but I think he shouldn't have destroyed the machines designed to automatically target and execute thought criminals.
>Implying those helicarriers wouldn't zap half of /k/ as potential dissidents
>Implying any agency that controlled them wouldn't be just as riddled with Hydra as shield
Hydra pls go.
>>29997918
>Helicopters were going to automatically kill millions of US citizens
>Threat was already neutralized
Fucking hydrafags.
>>29998812
In marvels world the superheros would have stopped that shit if it became tyrannical.
You are applying the same thought crime logic to the helicarriers and its users.
The helicarriers is a tool, just like aircraft carriers. I agree with the other anon, it was unnecessary.
>>29998872
>Superheroes would have stopped it
They /did/ stop it.
>>29998895
They stopped the threat BEFORE the destoryed the helicarriers.
>>29995086
People didn't like mad-max?
>>29998944
WITNESSED
People who don't like Mad Max are lying.
>>29998831
The Helicarriers program to kill millions was stopped when they replaced the drives and destroyed the automatic execution AND Maria Hill had taken over the weapon systems.
Did you pay attention to the final mission or just scream America Fuck Yeah whilst Captain America hurt people and blew shit up?!
>>29998757
Hydra had exposed themselves at the end when they were the ones trying to take out Captain America.
Do you kids pay attention to obvious details?
>>29998812
Helicarriers were stopped from carrying out that plan, Maria Hill had control of the weapon systems, Hydra agents in SHIELD had exposed themselves, THEN Captain America decides to kill SHIELD and the Helicarriers.
>>29999097
>>29998901
The system was still operational and entirely capable of doing exactly what it was designed to do.
It's still holding a gun to the heads of millions of American citizens while watching their every move. The only difference is now they've pinkie promised not to pull the trigger.
>>29999014
I like Mad Max.
That shit that came out last year? Whatever that was, it was garbage.
>>29998901
If you were paying attention, the drives had targeted the helicarriers before Hill pressed anything. Destroying them was the only way. If you remember the beginning of AoU all remaining SHIELD assests including the avengers are tasked with hunting down the remains of HYDRA, meaning that there were HYDRA assests and personnel still hinding. Only one threat was credibly destroyed while the other was neutered but healing. Lern2marvel.
>>29999222
And there'll always be some new HYDRA element somewhere in hiding, waiting to start up again. The entire point of HYDRA is that it's so extensive, random, and secretive that you can never really get it all. And if you don't get it all, it'll come back again and again and again.
>>29999130
Ok, so you then must believe that the US Nuclear Navy should be dismantled for the same reason.
>>29999222
*sighs deeply whilst holding bridge of nose*
>>29999321
The global nuclear standoff should be ended, obviously, but that's neither here nor there. They literally built helicarriers to perform extrajudicial killings like with drones, but capable of killing thousands of people in seconds. There is no deterrence for that, and it's clear that no nation could keep helicarriers from going anywhere they felt like. That kind of thing is how you start wars, not stop them, and SHIELD as it was was completely screwed once the degree of HYDRA infiltration and control was revealed.
>giving up freedom for "security"
>Giving any more power to the UN
Holy fucknuggets, im not even murcan and I think thats a superterrible idea and that cap was right in pretty much every way.
We had UN soldiers near Syria, and got told we arent fucking allowed to defend ourselves if ISIS attacks us cause MUH REGULATIONS. They literally demanded we should just let ourselves get shot at and captured to not break their regulations. So we said fuck it and just pulled out our UN soldiers, which caused massive butthurt, and the demand to leave our fucking gear and armored vehicles there. To which our commander responded he would rather destroy them himself before he gave them the UN to free use.
>>29992121
>Siding with Iron Corporativist
Faggot pls.
The cap & Frank Castle are the only true heros
>>29999493
If you are trying to imply that Tony Stark is all about the bottom line, you are wrong, he started killing his own company to become a super hero.
>>29999650
Killing the company clearly wasn't the goal, he just took it out of the weapons industry because it was clearly engaging in illegal double-dealing, which could have caused a total seizure if it went public. He just kind of refocused on other things they did.
Do you have any idea how lucrative Arc Reactor tech would be?
>>29999762
You mean the thing he didn't try and sell? The thing he didn't try and sell is what's making him money?
>>29999255
That's exaxtly my point... Anon said that both threats had been dealt with... They clearly weren't.
>>29999418
Exactly how i felt, the UN are a retalitory force. Think about if the UN comitee had oversight during the new york incident. They would have waited for the US to make the nuclear choice. Millions would have died needlesly, New york would have been leveled. And there is no gaurantee it would have stopped the invasion. The avengers wouldn't gave been able to stop the invasion that was allowed to gain headway because no forces coupd reach the portal to close it.
It would have been 100 times worse.
I don't see why D.C gets blamed on the avengers. All the data was released to the public meaning people knew that 90 percent of the avengers weren't even involved. If anything the avengers should be overseeing them instead of the other way around.
While I do prefur Stark over Captain Cunt, the avengers are still nowhere near the fuckery by level of chaos that people like superman produce.
>>30000533
The series never really does into what stark industeries does after the First Iron man movie. I mean they obviously still deal in tech. But we don't really see any actually stark tech in the hands of those who didn't take it directly from Tony. I mean we see the peacekeeping bots in AOU but they operate off of jarvis... Which means they are stark drones but not necessarily stark ind. drones.
>>29999321
>The US Nuclear Navy aims weapons at US citizens with the intent of executing them based on behavioral analytics and surveillance without trial, notice, or even a crime having been committed.
Are you ok? All that boot polish you've ingested can't be good for your brain.
>>29995185
fuck sake thats needlessly hard to read
>>30000533
Stark Tower is actually built as a public demonstrator to promote the tech, completely off the power grid and self-sufficient.
>>30000802
Yes, but the fact still remains that he isn't selling it
>>30000533
I'm pretty sure he just produces green, arc-reactor energy now or something
>>30001087
Pretty sure he is, that's the entire point. And now that he's the only one who knows how to create the new transuranic stable element that powers the latest models he has a monopoly on the tech.
>>29994403
You're basically violating the civil rights of the Avengers. They were never tried in court, they were never found guilty of any crimes.
How would you feel if some pantywaists decided it was time for you to pretty much be placed on a terrorist watch list and live under less rights as everyone else because Secretary SJW decided you needed be "reigned in"?
>>29995797
If the public officials had their way:
>New York City would be a crater, not that nukes outside of the portal would've closed it.
>Hydra 2 Electric Boogaloo would be a thing, and millions of other people would be dead
>the millions of people would've been killed but a chunk of the planet falling down on them
>>29995905
...the answer to that is DO NOT REGULATE GUNS
>SHALL
>NOT
>BE
>INFRINGED
>>29994097
And let Bucky do shit like hit them with cinder blocks.
HALF the avengers joined him, not all. And those that did join him are now fugitives. The Avengers are broken.
>>29996011
>He sees all he's built and assumes he's competent
Well stark is EXTREMELY competent in his field, he is just not good at everything.
There is really nothing authoritarian about him.
>>29997559
Yeah the cap, winter soldier, hawkeye, and former avengers would be experienced enough to evade capture
But the low-level heroes would find their doors being kicked down by government agents and being sent to super-prison. They would suffer the most, their constitutional rights would be the most at risk.
Not to mention when this shit happens, everyone can count on their own rights be taken away at some later point. Do you think Stark is going to just STOP at meta-humans? The asshole created an AI to protect humanity from itself, he basically as such a low opinion of humans that he'd have no problem with stuffing people in prison or concentration camps "for their own good"
>>30002627
>he basically as such a low opinion of humans
Nah, he's like most engineers. He seeks technological solutions to everything, because that's his yardstick.
>>30000683
That peice of work was hydras doing, nkt inherent in the system, at its base its just a very accurate gun.
>>30002649
The technological solution to superheroes isn't to fucking stuff them in prisons and violate their rights.
It's not to wait until hydra has a gun pointed at the head of the country or let your best engineer build an AI that's out of his depth using alien technology or again, stuff people into prison
>>30002649
Stark is a brilliant Engineer, but he is a total shitbag as a person and he is not good at, nor should he be, able to dictate the actions of other's because of how he thinks should be.
Powered humans helping stark and those UN asswipes is literally like Jews helping the Nazi's round up other jews to be placed into camps. And I bet they'd be surprised when the guys they suddenly stuff them into power-blocking prisons too
>>30002674
>y or let your best engineer build an AI that's out of his depth using alien technology
He didnt mean to build him, it was a total accident.
>>29998060
>Hulk
Thor maybe but not the Hulk. Hulk is one of the most dangerous beings in the universe who gets stronger as he gets angrier. He's pretty much invincible already and attacking him only makes him more powerful. The only way to defeat Hulk is to make him not angry.
>>29995185
>No. You move.
Because I'm protecting my terrorist buddy no matter what!
>>30002476
If he was selling it and it was on the open market, wouldn't shield and other forces started using it?
>>30002627
Let's face it the only reason that the breakaway group is not in jail right now is because captain Africa whisked them all away to his African paradise guarded by child soldiers and the boko haram.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Stark still have those metal bits in his chest near his heart. Isn't that the reason the arc reactor is in his chest in the first place?
So The Captain smashing his chest in with his shield at the end would effectively kill him if that reactor were to shut down.
>>30003665
They were taken out at the end of Iron Man 3, he no longer has the embedded reactor.
>>30003784
I stand corrected
