All metal pistol vs. polymer/metal pistol
What is your opinion?
Coming from limited experience with full metal assembly, I can say that they definitely have tighter groups in rapid succession due to weight, but to me would be a bit heavy to carry all the time (full size at least), but I carry a full size polymer all day long.
Metal frames are far easier to repair, are more resistant to damages, and age gracefully. Very maintenance heavy in moist climates, cab be heavy for manlets, but handles recoil better if properly balanced
Poly is cost effective to mass produce, very temperature reliant, repairs rely on epoxy characteristics, can be eaten by many common chemicals and cleaners (like hoppes), damages with sun exposure, does not provide adequate protection from case ruptures (glocknade), not conclusive to automatic fire +(pstols primarily, design limiting), highly resistant to moisture.
My first two pistols were polymer (FNP and XD), fast forward to now and both those have been sold. Now the only pistols I'll own are full metal frames, it just feels right
>>29988658
>they definitely have tighter groups in rapid succession
Still comes down to the shooter's skill, the caliber and gun design. For most people, this is a non-issue, and professionals are able to put a lot of shots on target fast with any gun. The only people who probably care about this are those at the intermediate level who want to fool themselves into thinking that they are better shooters than they actually are.
>>29988761
>Metal frames are far easier to repair,
This is a non-issue. Yes, you could theoretically weld two pieces of a cracked steel frame back together, but no one does that.
>are more resistant to damages,
I don't agree. You can run over a Glock frame with a truck and drop a Glock from an airplane. I don't know if you can do those things with a Sig, but it's kind of a moot point since there is no higher standard of durability testing.
>and age gracefully.
What does that mean?
>Very maintenance heavy in moist climates,
What about alloy frames? You're not thinking this through.
>cab be heavy for manlets,
Got to love you faggots projecting you insecurities in every thread that could even possibly touch on the fact that your favorite gun is a little heavier than other options. "You don't like muh favorite gun?? You must be a manlet, then. durhurhur!!" Fucking retard.
>but handles recoil better if properly balanced
No, not inherently better. The recoil spring and locking system are much more relevant here.
>Poly is cost effective to mass produce, very temperature reliant, repairs rely on epoxy characteristics, can be eaten by many common chemicals and cleaners (like hoppes), damages with sun exposure, does not provide adequate protection from case ruptures (glocknade), not conclusive to automatic fire +(pstols primarily, design limiting), highly resistant to moisture.
Where are you even getting your information? All of this is fuddlore except the moisture part.
>>29988822
>it just feels right
>"because muh feels"
Are you a liberal?
>>29988979
>Got to love you faggots projecting you insecurities in every thread that could even possibly touch on the fact that your favorite gun is a little heavier than other options. "You don't like muh favorite gun?? You must be a manlet, then. durhurhur!!" Fucking retard.
manlet detected
Metal has character, I carry my PPK because I like it, I carry my Shield because its practical.
>>29988979
>Glock fanboy on damage control
And to answer your question, I vote republican
>>29988979
Genetics is a bitch, isn't it? It's not your fault you're a manlet... but I'm still going to hold that against you.
>>29988979
>rabid defense of polymer guns
>not an insecure manlet
Choose one.
>>29988979
lmao stay fucking mad manlet holy shit how obvious did you want to make it
>>29988979
>You can run over a Glock frame with a truck and drop a Glock from an airplane.
Of course you can but I think you're forgetting about the part where it's supposed to work after.
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>>29989054
Not a manlet, but how do you figure that a person's height would have any bearing on the inherent advantages/disadvantages of metal vs. polymer? Don't answer that (I shouldn't have to say this, but some of you are pretty dumb). It's a rhetorical question.
Also, whichever one of you fags was the one I was replying to, your lack of a follow up to anything I said speaks volumes.
>>29989179
The only thing it can't stop is itself
>>29989179
They do.
https://youtu.be/pCgQDJ4Dnyg?t=1m36s
>>29989230
>that fucking tie
What the fuck? Does this guy think he looks smooth and operator as fuck or something? I like glocks but holy shit the fanbase is awful.
>>29989273
Pic related is you, amirite?
>>29989230
>3:30
is he like trying to act like he just shot the gun? is this autist really expecting me to buy this shit?
>>29989295
I'm a tall hungry skeleton so no
>>29988979
Alright I'll pick this apart.
I reweld frames. It's easy. It's how nearly every semi pistol surplus SMG exists. Even then repairing cracked slides and frames is a thing I'd your life skills are more than watch TV and shitposts on 4 Chan.
Please tell me how poly is harder than steel. I'll wait.
Running something over is a poor strength criteria. Let's try pointed forces like knocking it on a rock. Or yes let's throw both guns off a plane and watch the poly explode and the steel mangle itself.
Plastic gets brittle as it ages, usually breaking into smaller and small sections. Metal patinas.
Steel rusts. Steel alloy rusts slowly. Aluminum may not rust, but it's unfit for most pistols (lol ar pistol), titanium may exist, but I've never seen one. Any other alloys? Maritime environments in particular are rough on any steel alloy.
>manlet dribble
Springs are one way yes, but they're primarily used with slide weight to control timing. Let's look at revolvers for recoil frame weight, and let's use a poly revolver for comparison...
In not going to dissect the poly part. Use Google. Spoon-feed yourself.
>>29989230
>video "proving" gun can still fire
>guy doesn't actually fire it and explicitly says he doesn't want to fire it because he's afraid it'll blow his hand off
I was going to point out that any respectable modern handgun can be expected to pass that torture test, but this is even sadder than I had imagined.
>>29988635
I think the 4 metal tabs sticking out of a polymer frame, as opposed to full Metal rails like most metal frames have, I'd in fact more reliable by a significant margin but that you could possibly get more accuracy out of full metal rails.
>>29989330
>tall
who do you think you're kidding
>>29989218
Put this side by side with 1911 catastrophic failures and ask yourself which one you would rather be holding.
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>>29989356
There are numerous Glock torture tests online. I provided you with the first one I found that had a car or truck in it. Don't like it? Find your own. This gun has been very well documented.
>>29989341
>I reweld frames. It's easy. It's how nearly every semi pistol surplus SMG exists
Try rewelding a cracked Sig or Beretta frame sometime. Once a frame is cracked, the handgun's strength is compromised and its life is over.
>Please tell me how poly is harder than steel. I'll wait.
Point to where this claim was made. I'll wait.
I would make the claim that the elasticity of polymer is an aspect of its strength. Instead of cracking, it will flex slightly. This is a feature, not a flaw.
>Plastic gets brittle as it ages, usually breaking into smaller and small sections.
There are different kinds of "plastic." The kind of plastic used in old gun grips that was notorious for cracking with age was actually hardened rubber, and not even a petroleum product. Find me a single example of a polymer frame on a handgun cracking from "age" or "sun exposure" and maybe we can talk about this. Go ahead. I'll wait.
>Aluminum may not rust, but it's unfit for most pistols
So, I guess Sigs and Berettas don't exist?
>Springs are one way yes, but they're primarily used with slide weight to control timing.
Keep reading my post. I said "the recoil spring and locking system," referring to the method of breech lock up. The Walther posted in the PPK, for example, has no method for breech lock up and relies purely on the weight of the recoil spring and hammer spring to keep the breech closed during firing. Redesign the gun as a tilting barrel design and all of a sudden, the recoil would be decreased noticeably. Redesign the recoil spring so there is a secondary recoil buffer, as the HK USP has, and the felt recoil will be decreased even further.
>>29989218
GLOCKFAGS BTFO
>>29989449
>The Walther posted in the PPK
right
>>29989438
>>29989218
These kinds of pictures prove nothing.
>>29989481
but Beretta 92 sucks
>>29989475
That's a typo, you sillyfuck.
*The Walther posted in the OP, a PPK, for example....
>>29989481
Not a single one of these end with you losing a hand. You need to cherry pick better examples
>>29989481
>>29989494
neither of these compare to >>29989218
>>29989507
What makes you think that the wounded hand in >>29989218 is actually from a Glock?
>>29988979
Dude I like glocks and you're still an autist
>>29989525
because it's a well-known problem... do you really think you're going to argue against something by just saying
>well how do you know?
shit head we know because it's a fucking fact
>>29989522
How so?
>>29989507
>You need to cherry pick better examples
I'm just reposting shit that has been posted here before. The people who made all of these images, including >>29989218, were much more dedicated than me, and spent a lot of time and effort curating their image collections. Don't throw this "lack of evidence = evidence of absence" bullshit at me. The evidence is out there. Just do a google images search for "[any gun model] catastrophic failure" and you'll get dozens of such images.
>>29989558
the glocks will blow your hand off and the other ones don't do that.
>>29989543
>he has opinions that are different from mine and he did a pretty good job supporting his opinions with reason and evidence, such that I can't even think of a retort
>MUST BE AN AUTIST!!
What a meme! What can I say, I am LOVING this meme. I give it 5 out of 5 meme points.
>>29989583
Can you prove that?
Protip: an image macro made for the purpose of discrediting Glocks that shows an unsourced photoof a hand with blood on it is not "proof."
>>29989589
you're an autistic manlet but you keep denying it.
>>29989602
http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock-kb-faq.html
keep denying and denying, your manlet-ism, your autism, the fact that glocknades exist. nobody cares and it won't change any truth.
>>29989634
I never denied that shooting improperly loaded handloads out of certain Glocks can cause catastrophic failure, since you never made that specific claim.
What I asked you to prove was this >>29989583
>the glocks will blow your hand off and the other ones don't do that.
Your cute little "kb!" gun blog does not address this.
>>29988635
I prefer Metal because it's easier to fuck around with, generally has better Ergos (though I suppose someone could design a Tupperware gun with good Ergos too) has less recoil on average, and because I can Reweld metal guns and make active shit from parts kits.
I also am partial to DA/SA designs which tend to be metal, so that's probably got something to do with it.
>>29988979
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>>29989589
Now now, anons, no need to be assblasted. We can argue on a level that's coherent.
Also, I'm fairly certain a missed posts (I only skimmed over when selecting posts to reply to, so yeah, that's that)
>>29989449
You sir, are a fucking retard.
Reweldinf frames and recievers is something done frequently by people who build parts kits.
It can be done, and it's not exactly breakable.
Polymer = reliability
Metal = accuracy
Not because of material but rather because of design differences.
>>29989694
>Reweldinf frames and recievers is something done frequently by people who build parts kits.
>It can be done, and it's not exactly breakable.
Uh-huh. And is it done frequently to "repair" a damaged frame? Like, if my Sig were to develop a crack in the rail, you could weld that back up? We're talking about repairing HANDGUNS here, not converting some sub-machinegun from "pistol" to SBR or other constructive modifications.
>>29989678
You're just moving goalposts.
You're basically flat out denied everything that anyone has said to you. literally, that is all you've done ITT.
You've denied that you're a manlet, which we know is true.
You've denied that you're autistic, which we know is true.
You've denied that using a glock will blow your hand up, which we know is true.
>>29988635
>not going with all polymer
>>29989678
Dude, you're being trolled hard. Just don't bother.
>>29989757
I literally quoted your post. Those are goalposts that you set yourself. Don't want to rise to your own challenge? Fine. But keep in mind that you are giving everyone else a very good reason to believe that you are full of shit
>hurrdurr muh manlet autist
We're all little girls here on 4chan.
>>29989773
When the gun gets too hot you can easily remold the slide and sights for a more futuristic look.
>>29988635
All polymer pistols
I'm 6'2" so all metal isn't a problem for me. I don't have to compromise with a polymer gun.
>>29989844
Yes, we heard you the first time, >>29988761. What height has to do with a gun's weight is still a mystery, though.
>>29989773
>polymer barrel
FUND IT
>>29989852
wtf is this manlets problem
>>29989864
All you had to do is switch to a different browser for the second post and the (You)'s wouldn't be recorded consistently.
>>29989844
>>29989923
I was under the impression that (you)s were based on IP which wouldn't change with your browser. Still, it would take very little effort to fake.
>>29989923
lol this guy is fucking insane
>>29989923
>2015 + 1 in the chamber
>not turning airplane mode on and off in between all posts so you never get (you)'ed on 4chin
>>29989960
Nope. Based on cookies in your browser.
>>29989863
>polymer bullets propelled by polymer primers and polymer powder
I'm 6'8" and love Glocks. It's easy to hit a target at 200 yards with them. Their also fun to shoot 2 liters with.
>>29989794
It was a semi-auto, but now you can turn it into a revolver! Or modern art!
>>29988761
>does not provide adequate protection from case ruptures (glocknade)
that's a design problem
>>29990767
and the other hand
>>29990172
Hey Hickok
>>29988635
Largely, I prefer metal framed guns.
>>29989507
I'm sorry, are we talking about the fucking Lawgiver here? The Glock still has a metal slide and barrel, if we're talking about an out of battery detonation, that's not going to be considerably different, a Glock or 1911 can injure your hand if it kabooms, but it's fucking rare for something like that to completely ruin your hand, it's not like setting off an M80 in your hand.
What injuries you should be concerned about with a kb is with your eyes, and then it's not going to make a fuck of a difference if it's metal or plastic.
You're probably afraid of bullpups too for having the chamber close to your face.
>>29989923
There's lots of ways to fake that, like just editing the HTML, or using paint.
You can go on Hillary's twitter, edit the HTML on your end so her tweet now says "I hate niggers #dayoftherope2016 #nonubianamerica #gasthekikes #racewarnow", then take a picture of it and post it on social media.
Now, with twitter it's easy to verify if it's real or not, but with 4chan you just never know so why even think of regarding it as "admissable evidence"
I could put (you)s all over this thread, screencap it and say that I was actually me all along for all it matters.
>>29990172
Keep the hood safe, H
Woo boy finally off work. Now to lay down some knowledge.
>Try rewelding a cracked Sig or Beretta frame sometime. Once a frame is cracked, the handgun's strength is compromised and its life is over.
Blatantly false. If you are so unsure of your work, or the integrity of the piece you can magnaflux it. Frankly I find rewelding an entire receiver from scrap that was torched in three different places requiring a new heat treat far more dangerous some a cracked slide.
>Point to where this claim was made. I'll wait.
The part where you tried to Imply it wasn't less damage resistance than a steel frame. as if the same amount of force applies to both would somehow not damage a poly but would damage a steel frame.
>elasticity of polymer is an aspect of its strength. This is a feature, not a flaw.
>There are different kinds of "plastic." Go ahead. I'll wait.
This will be a two for once special. The elasticity of a poly frame is nonexistance outside a few outliners as such a "feature" would make tolerances far too generous.
>squishy squishy magwell
Current gen poly Isn't old enough to have examples of poor aging or sun damage. But that doesn't change the fact it is poly based, and no known poly is current immune to those problems. For the record, glock frames are glass impregnated nylon much like most quality power tools, It can't become elastic without extreme heat, and when force is applied the glass shatters, weakening the whole thing.
>So, I guess Sigs and Berettas don't exist?
Both of which prematurely wear out as a steel slide grinds the aluminum to dust. AL on AL would gal, but steel on steel can be managed by varying the alloy of the frame and slide differently.
>I said "the recoil spring and locking system."
Calling it a "recoil spring" doesn't make it do a damn thing for recoil. It still used for timing and returning the slide to battery. The locking system doesn't effect recoil either, and both frame types above 9mm will have one anyway.
>>29992306
>>Try rewelding a cracked Sig or Beretta frame sometime. Once a frame is cracked, the handgun's strength is compromised and its life is over.
>Blatantly false. If you are so unsure of your work, or the integrity of the piece you can magnaflux it. Frankly I find rewelding an entire receiver from scrap that was torched in three different places requiring a new heat treat far more dangerous some a cracked slide.
Holy shit I hope you don't work in an auto body repair shop or anything because you're diluting yourself if you believe a compromised frame is anywhere near the strength of an uncompromised milled reciever or a slide.
>>29992801
>>29992306
>Blatantly false. If you are so unsure of your work, or the integrity of the piece you can magnaflux it. Frankly I find rewelding an entire receiver from scrap that was torched in three different places requiring a new heat treat far more dangerous some a cracked slide.
I don't know about Berettas, but Sig alloy frames are actually heat-treated, so once you start to bubba on it with your welder, you're going to compromise the integrity of the newly welded area by virtue of the fact that you're not using the proper heat-treating, and likely don't know how to heat-treat it because they didn't teach you that in welder's school.
>>Point to where this claim was made. I'll wait.
>The part where you tried to Imply
Riiiigggghhhhtttt.... so in other words, you had reading comprehension issues and imagined that I said things I didn't say.
The elasticity of a poly frame is nonexistance outside a few outliners as such a "feature" would make tolerances far too generous.
I have no idea if I'm interpreting that ungrammatical trainwreck as intended, but I don't think you've ever seen a slow motion video of a polymer handgun firing. The entire frame flexes with the recoil of every shot.
>Current gen poly Isn't old enough to have examples of poor aging or sun damage.
Well isn't that convenient for you? Sorry, but you have nothing to go on here.
>Both of which prematurely wear out as a steel slide grinds the aluminum to dust. AL on AL would gal, but steel on steel can be managed by varying the alloy of the frame and slide differently.
That would be a fair point, if lubricants didn't exist. I've seen enough examples of Sigs and Berettas getting comparable service life to other pistols, so I'm not convinced.
>Calling it a "recoil spring" doesn't make it do a damn thing for recoil. The locking system doesn't effect recoil either,
That's just not true. I already gave examples illustrating my point and I don't feel like going into a second post just to repeat myself.
>>29992306
>The elasticity of a poly frame is nonexistance [sic]
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fr5ccyriJI
>>29989341
>Even then repairing cracked slides and frames is a thing I'd your life skills are more than watch TV and shitposts on 4 Chan.
Are you trying to say that all your base are belong to us?
>>29988635
>what is your opinion
Mostly biased and unpopular.
Like how I think glock should make 1911s with polymer frames. Or how everyone should own hi-points to usefor home defense. Or that all companies need to market left handed firearms. and market new weapons in .30 carbine, also known as .22lr-2016.
All metal
The heavier the better.
6ft 4 230lbs here
Manlets need that polymer
>>29988635
not a manlet. use all metal only.
>>29990053
the polymer bullets thread was awesome
>>29994170
>>29994214
>tfw no one replies to your post immediately so you post it again 5 minutes later
This is so sad to watch. Here's a (You).
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>>29990837
i wonder how many of these were selfloads
>>29994231
manlet detected
>>29992801
im not him but if you knew anything about welding you would know that the weld is as strong or stronger than the original metal. if you get a crack, it wont be the weld cracking if the welder had adequate penetration. it would crack just before the weld.
less reading about stuff and more doing it if you're going to post about it.
>>29994273
Not when you're welding a heat-treated, anodized material.
>>29994273
this
>>29994283
that's irrelevant.
>>29994283
the welding will take the heat treat out of it and your method of quenching, if any would affect it too, but to say that its less strong becuase its been welded is technically incorrect. which is the worst kind of incorrect.
>>29989502
not as much as your mother.
>>29994289
Let's see, the heat treating and the anodizing both contribute to the strength of the material, so when you take those away in just a local area around your weld, would the strength of the welded part of the frame that lacks these qualities be stronger or weaker than the heat treated, anodized areas around it? Hmm!!
>>29994303
Calm your tits.
>which is the worst kind of incorrect.
If you disagree, then say why. These exaggerated statements don't actually make your case any stronger.
We're not talking about welding soft steel here, welderboy. An alloy handgun frame is a very specialized application. If you have training welding Sig frames, then feel free to list your accreditations. I'd be willing to bet that you're talking out of your ass, though. Why do you think that concepts from welding soft steel translate to this specialized material? There is no reason to think that it would and I just gave two reasons why it wouldn't.
>>29994273
No.
With certain metals and types of forming this is true, but this is so far from universal.
This statement originally came about from welding mild plate steel, not special-purpose hardened steel like you find in gun parts.
I Prefer metal because for me weight most definitely helps with recoil and because in the long run I'd hope to pass my firearms on to family.
>polymer degradation
>>29994259
All were ammo related either handloads or a double charge or bad bullet seating at the factory.
>>29994229
I thought those were crayon tips for a second.
>>29994342
>specialized material
Its fucking steel, or aluminum.
The alloy may change slightly, but its still going to be high carbon steel that probably has its super skookum ingredients listed somewhere that you can match with an equally skookum welding wire.
SOMETIMES the temper would be affected. but unless its around the locking shoulders/lugs its a none issue. Nobody fucking cares if the nose of the slide is is pushing 120 hardness.
PRO TIP: If the key areas that need heat treating are affected you can reheat-treat that sucker! Its something nearly any gunsmith can do in their shop, its osmehting you can do half assed in your garage with a mapp torch.
Anodizing is just a special outer coating. You basically just said "Blueing contributes to the strength of the material". All anodizing something does is make the outside colorful and corrosion resistance.
>>29995034
Crayon tips of DEATH!
Polymer for practicality
Metal for fun
>>29988635
All metal = home defense, shtf
polymer = conceal carry
thread/
>>29995167
>Its fucking steel, or aluminum.
Excuse me? No. It's not an "either or." The conversation is about the frames of Sig pistols. They are made of a heat treated anodized aluminum alloy. Not "steel or aluminum."
>the rest of your post
Right, so you DON'T have any specialized training working with this material. Thanks for clearing that up for us, m8.
>>29995392
All metal = what Real Men™ use.
Polymer = the last resort of a manlet before he cuts off his balls and becomes a Caitlyn.
>>29989195
Dudelet
Metal and wood.
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