So the Canadian Neutrino experiment at SNO (Sudbury Neutrino Observatory) went live. It was originally meant to study our sun but as an unintended consequence when they switched it on they got the positions of all nuclear reactors on earth. The reactors produce neutrinos and neutrinos don't interact with matter and travel in a straight line straight to the detector. So now all superpowers are building this type of detection equipment. What does this mean for the world's nuclear submarine fleets?
>>29983164
That's a damn good question I don't know.
>>29983164
Cite that fucking source.
>>29983164
Friendly reminder to take role play to /x/
>>29983192
This. Sauce plox.
>>29983164
if this is true that's pretty fucking sci fi
>>29983164
The detector was turned on in May 1999, and was turned off on 28 November 2006. The SNO collaboration was active for several years after that analyzing the data taken. - wiki
The sun produces vastly more neutrinos then a nuclear reactor. The probably of the detector even getting a hit off of a nuke sub is almost zero, and being able to analyze the data in time to actually get to the area the submarine is in seems pretty challenging, though probably not impossible.
>>29983164
OP is a fag
>>29983164
anti neutrino detectors have been proposed to detect plutonium amount in reactors from a distance, so this isn't that far fetched.
>>29983339
http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/nuclear/antineutrino-detectors-could-help-monitor-irans-nuclear-reactor
>>29983164
dunno bout you but that's some Event Horizon looking shit right there
>>29983164
rip earth
fucking canada
>>29983359
Are you legitimately retarded
>>29983428
dude, EH was a baller movie no bully.
>>29983164
As I understand it, the technology used is in it's infancy. One proposed use of an anti-neutrino detector is to monitor the state of a nearby reactor, however even for that our current detector technology is simply not up to the task. Plus, to detect a new reactor would require data analysis over the course of weeks, and land-based reactors usually orders of magnitude higher capacity (and thus of generation of neutrinos). Add to all that that, submarines typically move a lot more than a land-based installation, and you see that submarines, at least for now, aren't in any danger. In the future, though? mite b cool.
>>29983359
>Event Horizon
>>29983373
>>29983453
Greetings, citizens. What transpires here this night?
So was there one under the white housr and gloom lake?
>>29983873
Gellar field failure
>>29984379
>Gellar field failure
Oh boy
>>29983269
look! the sub was here last month!
>>29983373
I have such wonderful, wonderful things to show you
>>29983164
>turned on in 1999
>turned off in 2006
If it meant anything, it would have happened by now.
OP is a faggot.
>>29984379
>gellar field goes below 60%
>hull starts to groan and shake
>below 40%
>hull starts to contort and compress due to the sheer mass of the warp and the entities within
>goes lower
>eternity of suffering worse than hell for everyone on board
>>29984455
>the public will never see the extra 15 minutes of warp footage that they destroyed for being 2spooky
>>29984489
surprised there was never an unrated cut released
>>29984489
It was 30 minutes, and it was since found on a VHS tape.
Hasn't been released in its entirety though.
>Since then, the only evidence of these footage that has existed was on a poor VHS copy of the film, as Paramount decided to just scrap all that extra content instead of preserve it. Until last year that is, when a fresh VHS tape cropped up with the missing footage in much better condition.
http://www.themovies.co.za/2013/08/20/nsfw-take-a-gory-look-at-the-event-horizon-that-almost-was/
>>29984557
Sheeeit
>>29984557
>when a fresh VHS tape cropped up with the missing footage in much better condition.
Like that Robocop scen amirite
Grab your shotguns and chainsaws people
RIP AND TEAR
IF THEY'RE HUGE THEY GOT HUGE GUTS TO RIP AND TEAR
>>29984613
Seeing as people are talking about space horror movies featuring insanity, pandorum was pretty good. Though it needed to spend more time on the insanity stuff and less on the weird cannibal monster things
>>29983164
IF that were true it would mean a scramble to:
A) Develop neutrino shielding for reactors
B) Develop reactors which somehow don't produce detectable amounts of neutrinos
C) Develop alternative fuel sources.
D) Work out what else produces neutrinos
Not just nuclear subs, but carriers would also be fucked.
>>29984623
>ALL THE STARS HAVE DISAPPEARED
>some fish swims by the viewport
Whata tweest
>>29984467
I think you're underestimating how spooky government projects can get. Every now and again you see a "failed" project pop back up, like with the heat resistant plates for the space shuttle coming from a defunct Apollo program. Or the time that the National Reconnaissance Organization recently gifted NASA two Hubble equivalent satellite telescopes. Keep in mind the NRO has those pointed inward, not outward.
>>29984654
>Develop neutrino shielding for reactors
>neutrinos effortlessly pass through the earth
Better strap a few planet sized chunks of lead around that reactor, might reduce the emissions just a little.
Neutrino detectors are big for a reason. There's no shortage of them, but they interact only very sparsely with the matter they pass through. Gathering enough of them from any given terrestrial source soas to derive some kind of vector to it is a bit of a stretch, particularly given a disproportionately large number emitted by the sun. Not actually sure if we can tell what direction they're travelling with current equipment, though it's entirely possible we can.
>>29984557
Aw jeez, can't they put it on youtube or something?
>>29984913
Gravity is supposedly a force that travels through dimensions, though. It's possible that we might detect gravitational disturbances that are causes by matter from another dimension passing near earth.
>>29983164
Once again thank America for such technologies.
>>29984455
Clever girl
>>29983164
That pic looks like a fucked up eye looking up.
>>29983164
>implying that the US doesn't already have something similar either on the seabed, in orbit, or both.
Nigga please, there's a reason why the US has been so damn good at tracking enemy nuke boats, and it likely has far less to do with the quality of our acoustic sensors than the US Navy would like you to believe.
The Russians are rumored to have a similar capability, but theirs is allegedly based on tracking the eddys thrown off by submarines as they move through the water.
>>29984569
The more I read about and watch EH the more I'm convinced it's a prequel to 40k.
>>29983164
Spoopy.
I'd like a source but it seems plausible.
I built a model of that thing for a science fair once.
>>29983164
Fuck you canada, I know how this turns out!
>>29985665
>I'd like a source
http://www.nature.com/articles/srep13945
Interesting. One thing it doesn't show is a reactor in Israel. Which lends credence to the story that Dimona is plausible deniability for the source of their nukes being the USA.
>>29983164
Fake, but that fucking thing looks like a god damn SCP Object
>>29983164
Good god this makes me feel like the only person here who has taken any physics higher than newton in here. Neutrinos only interact gravitationally and via the weak interaction. We require fucktons of heavy liquids to have a cross section for these to hit with even an astronomically small interaction rate given the huge number of them we believe to be passing through a given space every second.
These detectors basically detect rate for neutrinos and have a loose estimate of direction for these sources. There is a reason we use them to observe the sun and the occasional supernova. Nuclear Power plants do NOT release enough neutrinos to be detected through the background rate to be detected at any real distance from the reactor. We have a hard enough time sifting through false positives in these detectors to make them all that much more accurate, we cannot make a nuclear power plant detector like this.
Get the fuck out of here, OP.
http://lostmedia.wikia.com/wiki/Event_Horizon_(Unreleased_130_Minute_Cut)?file=Event_Horizon_deleted_scene_2
>>29985911
What if a detector was paired with a supercomputer that could sift through the data?
>>29983164
>What does this mean for the world's nuclear submarine fleets?
They can no longer hide which makes them kind of pointless. Instead of nuclear subs your going to see the worlds navies build aircraft carriers and ship based missile platforms.
We don't need eyes to see where we're going.
>>29985938
They do. It's fundamental to physics. These interactions happen so infrequently that you can't physically get the fine tuning to determine much more than general rate and rough direction and try to extrapolate from there. Power plants just don't release them much more than the background rate.
>>29986000
Cheers.
>>29983922
there's one in nipland.
>>29986056
I just.
Holy fuck.
That looks terrifying.
>>29984455
>>29984569
>>29985238
We have such sights to show you.
>>29986056
>>29986089
There used to be one right by the South Pole as well, burying strings of photodetectors kilometres down into the ice.
>>29986056
>>29986164
I can see forever
>>29986089
Basically its a large vat of really dense liquid to provide as big a cross section as possible so they can detect the light given off when neutrinos impact these the atoms in the liquid.
>>29986164
>murder/k/ube_from_inside.jpg
>>29983257
this is the SNO+
>>29984467
That was the old one. Sno+ went live this year.
![WxB0kqN-Imgur[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/aSJAyHS.jpg "WxB0kqN-Imgur[1].jpg")
>>29984557
do you think she found the captains log?
>>29985652
yeah there are a lot of comparable themes.
>>29986705
What happens if you fall into the really dense liquid? What kind of dense liquid? Are we talking about like, heavy water, or are we talking like, Mercury or liquid Gallium?
>>29987041
You get pulled into Hell.
>>29986177
>>29987047
That's really cool, they use Cheronkov radiation to detect neutrinos. Neat, I learned something today.
>>29985842
huh, OP is still a fag tho.
>>29983164
Almost the exact same thing happened in the book Ghost Fleet except it was a satellite that detected Cherenkov radiation . And spoiler:
to counter this the US took to using old Polish diesel subs as a way to insert SEALs into combat zones.
>>29986967
kekus maximus
>>29983269
>The sun
You knew that these are different types of neutrinos, right? Right?
>>29984654
>A) Develop neutrino shielding for reactors
A one light year thick lead wall will still let neutrinos through.
>B) Develop reactors which somehow don't produce detectable amounts of neutrinos
Do that and collect a Nobel prize in Physics.
ITT: /k/ pretends to know about advanced particle physics
>>29988672
Yes. I was just pointing out that the ones from the sun were going to be the vast majority of neutrinos detected.
>>29988711
nobel prize? more like become the next Einstein.
>>29988736
no shit. i predict an anon suggesting "we just turn off the reactor when we're not using it"
>>29988736
Not that complicated if you have basic knowledge of physics.
>neutrinos don't like to interact with anything, ever
>it is very, very unlikely that the minuscule number of neutrinos produced by undersea nuclear reactors would create usable location data
>your parents divorce was because of you
>>29986056
Super-Kamiokande
That's some Akira-tier shit there
>>29984557
The dark gods speak clearly now
>>29988736
We don't. But we've seen Event Horizon, we have played WH40K, and we know the /k/ube's wisdom.
We know big metal balls are bad.
>build multiple sites
>triangulate amongst them
>can easily filter out the static
Its something, which is better than nothing, and entirely possible.
>>29988780
You are oversimplifying things. Nuclear reactors actually produce a shit-ton of neutrinos/antineutrinos, but we can only detect a very, very small percentage (~3%) of these.
If a way to detect the other 97% of these antineutrinos was developed, a network of detectors could be set up to triangulate the source's location, using similar techniques already established for pinpointing the epicenter of earthquakes using networks of seismometers.
>>29988736
>pretends to know
Each and every thread on fighter aircrafts and radar systems and IR detection makes it painfully clear that physicists do not often frequent /k/.
>>29988893
Actual physicist here, AMA.
>>29988940
Will we need eyes where we're going?
And on a serious note, what particular field of physics do you work in?
>>29989132
We will always need eyes.
Experimental high energy physics.
>>29988940
That makes us colleagues. AMA^2
>>29989132
>field of physics
Solid state physics, especially sensors. I have also worked on IR sensors.
>>29989196
So where is this then?
>>29989286
Inside the D0 detector at the Fermilab tevatron.
It is between the central tracker/calorimeter and muon detectors.
>>29989387
Isn't that the one that shut it's doors?
>>29984483
>Gellard Field at 10%
>We've finished warping Captain
>Let's see only 90% of the crew dead this time and 70% of the ship is now made of tentacle rape
>Not_Bad.png
>Warp success boys break out the champagne
>We're warping again in 1 month after we finish refueling
>>29989476
>"Another successful Warp, Captain!"
>*pop*
>>29989461
Due to a lack of funding, operations of the collider experiments halted back in 2011. That is not to say that Fermilab has shut down- it is very much alive, utilizing the existing beamline for fixed target, neutrino, and muon experiments, as well as being home to a variety of other experiments.
The laboratory is very accessible to visitors too.
>>29987047
Could Hell handle Hulkamania?
>>29989635
Dunno, Gawker sure as hell couldn't.
>>29986967
Was the cut footage literally just rape/snuff?
Cause that's been the sci-fi channel going on over a decade now.
>>29987041
Well, they're on a little floatty boat there. So if it's anything like the dead sea or quick sand you'll just float on top.
I mean. Glass is a really dense liquid, nothing much exciting happens when you fall into that. Provided it's not molten or something stupid.
>>29991302
140 MILLION
>>29991302
Underrated
>>29991485
>glass
>a liquid
It's an amorphous solid, nigga
>>29991485
http://www.cmog.org/article/does-glass-flow
>>29986056
10-13 WE GOT A THREAT AGAINST THE PRESIDENT
>>29991913
>>29991778
It's a vitrified state of matter, and I was too lazy to find something more obscure for the sake of the analogy.
>>29985652
This is already generally joked about.
