Are these Yugoslavian unissued SKS's worth $400 a piece?
>>29980921
Sadly, I'd say $400 is the new average price
Its getting harder and harder to find <350 yugos and norincos.
>SKS
>$400
No.
>>29980945
Given what this anon said, plus the fact that they're unissued, I'd say yes
I paid $320 3 years ago for a Sino-Soviet, which is in great condition (metal parts) but has a pretty beat up stock
>>29980921
>yugo
no.
>>29980956
Russians are worth that much.
>>29980956
>never
>except that's the current price of milsurp and it'll probably never be cheaper
And it's still the cheapest and one of the most reliably decent semi autos available
>>29981000
Yeah, I feel like people who say "you overpaid" on milsurp must be stuck in the past. I agree SKSs make less sense than they used it given their price increase, but if you want an SKS because SKS, the lowest price on the market determines the best deal. You're simply not gonna find a $200 SKS these days unless its a gunsmith special
>>29980921
for my next gun should I get a Wsar or a sks
>>29981350
WASR are garbage, a WASR 10 is alright.
Get one if you really want an AK. otherwise i'd get an SKS
>>29981523
it's a wsar 10 for around $650
>>29980984
Its not 2011 anymore asshole
Canadian here, I feel so bad for you guys. Russian SKSs up here go for about $200 US.
I just want legal AKs tho... I dont even care if they are $800
Unpopular opinion: Yugo SKSs are better and more interesting than any other SKS and are well worth $400.
>>29982773
I feel worse for you. As much as I despise import bans with a burning passion, I'm happy that I can own AKs and FALs. Maybe one day we'll annex you and you can get them too
>>29982808
i agree with this opinion. they feel better made
>>29982808
They are heavier and do not have chrome lined barrels. I think they look the coolest of any of them however.
>>29982831
>no chrome lined bore and finicky, less reliable gas system
>better
>>29982810
I wouldn't mind my province becoming a state
>>29980956
>>29980984
>$400 for an unissued SKS
>2016
>not an ok deal
>>29982833
there is the "chrome lined barrels are less accurate than non chromed" argument
>>29982831
>>29982840
Why is chrome lined so damn cherished these days? I'm not going to be shooting corrosive ammo for god's sake, and even if I did, I'd actually clean the barrel and gas port well. Non-chrome lined barrels are more accurate as well.
>finicky gas system
What does this even mean? Can you give me a source on this?
>>29982840
You're aware that chrome lining effects accuracy yes? All It does is allow it to hold up to corrosive ammo for longer and if your anything better then a russian troglodyte you know how to clean your weapon that you don't need to detract accuracy for bore health.
>>29981350
SKS are gonna be 100% from the country of origin whereas any WASR you buy is gonna be disassembled and rebuilt with a US made receiver among other parts.
This isn't necessarily a bad thing but it's important to know if your care about it
>>29982952
new wsar 10s have Chrome lined barrels right? I think I heard that somewhere
>>29982952
WASRs aren't US made receivers you mong
>>29982931
Chrome lined barrels are easier to clean, less prone to corrosion (even if you don't use corrosive ammo if you live in a very humid area this can be a plus), withstand more heat from prolonged fire, and will last longer due to being a harder metal.
>>29982931
easier to clean, mostly.
Yugos have a gas cutoff for grenades that tends to rust closed if put into storage after Radomir the Conscript neglected to clean it thoroughly.
>>29982840
my sks shoots hole touching groups at 50 yards with regular wolf garbage ammo, so your chrome line bore argument is shit. how is the gas system less reliable? you can open or close the gas port, i dont see how that detracts from reliability. its not like you can do it on accident, the grenade site is in the way and has to be lifted for you to shut off the gas
>>29980921
Only the Early Yugo m59's, dans ammo has some in stock.
Ultimately the best SKS made.
>>29983099
>I can shoot perfectly average at short range, so there
>I don't see how adding critical moving parts to the gas system affects reliability
>>29982902
>there is the "chrome lined barrels are less accurate than non chromed" argument
It's true, to chrome a bore surface they use acid to pit the metal, it's called etching the barrel, this puts wear into the barrel right off the bat.
Not by much though,maybe .5moa, but they are more accurate.
>>29983000
>Chrome lined barrels are easier to clean
Untrue, the chrome falsely gives the appearance that the bore is cleaner when the shiny chrome lining is revealed, they are actually more difficult to clean, due to the porous surface of the barrel as a result of the acid from etching the barrel for the chrome.
>>29982931
he's just talking out his ass, shittily regurgitating memes without understanding what he is even saying
>>29983000
while this is objectively true, it makes sense for military contracts who are going to depend on these rifles firing large amounts of rounds for years and years of service life. the average /k/ommando can barely afford a beater sks, let alone the 20 thousand rounds+ it would take to shoot out a barrel. and guess what, a brand new barrel is only like $75, so who the fuck cares if you start to wear it out after spending 5 grand on ammo
>>29983108
>Yugo m59's
My dog
>>29983000
http://www.apexgunparts.com/sks/sks-barrel-yugoslavian-model-59-66-7-62x39-new.html
>>29983172
>>29983184
i wish i bought one from big5 when theyre were $119
>>29983119
>valve literally rotates with one button push 45 degrees to the left or right, when you want to go into single shot or semi auto
>no one ever moves it anyway, unless they are trying to manually cycle bolt to save brass
>critical moving parts
>>29982931
>Why is chrome lined so damn cherished these days?
I dunno man, it's like people have a thing for barrels with longer lifespans, are easy to clean, and have a markedly improved resistance to corrosion. Crazy, right?
>>29982938
The degree that chrome detracts from accuracy is so minute that a rifle like an SKS is mechanically incapable of producing groups for it to be noticeable issue.
>>29983119
also holes touching at 50 yards is not perfectly average for a 7.62x39 rifle, my wasr cant get smaller than apple sized groups at that range. and we are talking about a round with an effective range max of around 200 yards anyway
>>29983230
>has never had his gas valve repeatedly go into the closed position or leak at the switch junction because of corrosion
Sorry, did that song and dance with my Yugo a half decade ago, not doing it again.
>>29983231
unless you are mistreating your rifle i think it's a non issue for most people. i guess if you are doing serious aquatic operations in the field without maintenance time or long term storage without common sense protection like grease and oil
you guys act like barrels are expensive. see this post:
>>29983186
>>29983251
>my wasr cant get smaller than apple sized groups at that range
that's either user error or a lemon. having a few holes touching at 50 yards is like 2-4 MOA
>>29983259
i did it too when i first got mine 10 years ago. it's called erosion from lots of use. you know what i did? i bought a replacement stainless steel valve for 8 dollars, along with all new springs. you bought a 60 year old used gun that was in and out of conflict and storage in a shiity eastern block country, did you really expect it wouldnt need some quick basic maintenance to bring it back to serviceable condition? why didnt you just buy a ruger mini30 if that's what you wanted?
>>29983184
That one is missing the elm wood stock that m59's originally came in, urs was replaced with a m59/66 stock at some point, it does have the greyed bayonet though
>>29983315
You're forgetting that any other type of SKS would not have this problem, and would function fine without a new gas valve.
It's not considered reliable if you have to fix it before use.
>>29983315
>omg, how is the gas valve a reliability issue?
>okay so it's a reliability issue, just replace it
I'm fucking done with this thread.
>>29983294
my yugo sks greatly outshoots my wasr10, even though the wasr has a much nicer trigger. i dont think it's user error, since i shoot both myself but maybe someone else could do better with mine. i have always been very impressed with the accuracy of my yugo sks, i dont know if it is above average for the platform or the norm, but it is a great shooter. can easily pick off shotgun clays at 100 yards on a berm
>>29983186
>>29983281
The barrels are cheap yes but, they are hard to replace because headspacing these rifles is a bitch
>>29983172
Not that one dude will wear out the barrel, but being able to pass the rifle down to other generations is always nice.
>>29983161
I'd like a source on that.
>>29982952
>being this wrong
Century widens out the magwell to accept double-stack mags and replaces ten (10) parts to make them 922r-compliant.
If you honestly think they're rebuilding $600 WASRs on new receivers you either don't know shit about building AKs or don't understand price-points.
>>29983321
Why have I never even heard of this variant?
>>29983329
whatever man, small price to pay to bring a great rifle back into shooting condition. with a stainless valve you will never wear it out before your barrel or other critical parts
>>29983000
>Chrome lined barrels are easier to clean, less prone to corrosion (even if you don't use corrosive ammo if you live in a very humid area this can be a plus), withstand more heat from prolonged fire, and will last longer due to being a harder metal.
The last two are the primary reasons militaries opt for chrome-lining in full-auto firearms. Corrosion resistance and ease of maintenance are a plus but it's mostly about barrel life under sustained fire.
>>29983341
see you later. hope you are off to read a book, preferably pic related
>>29983366
The 66 in m59/66 is because they were all refurbed and upgraded in 1966, Prior to that they were a standard SKS without the (gay IMO) grenade spigot.
There are only about 20,000 in the country, vs around 650,000 m59/66's, they have only popped up on the market twice, around 2006 when a wave of Yugo's came in, and now that the last of former Yugoslavia's inventory is being sold off.
Almost all of the m59's are mixmasters of parts, mine is in original condition
Dans ammo has them right now.
http://www.dansammo.com/images/inv/gunpic.asp?ITEM=F1022
>>29983357
don't you think you are setting a pretty low bar for family if you want the family heirloom to be a yugo sks? just buy an extra barrel and keep it with the rifle. the design is obsolete anyway in regards to combat. replacing barrels is a basic piece of maintenance. i doubt 3 generations of your family would shoot out a yugo sks barrel but i guess if it's the only gun you guys have maybe it's possible. if you can afford to put the rounds through the gun to wear out the barrel you can afford a replacement barrel and the small gunsmith fee to install it
no one else agrees with this? maybe i just dont operate as hard as you all. for the record, i never said i dont prefer chrome line barrels. i do like them for speed of cleaning (usually only takes a patch or two, shit never sticks to the barrel like an unchromed one). but i think you guys are seriously missing out on a great rifle if you are avoiding it just because "it has no chrome lining" and implying it's going to dissipate into a pile of rust, becoming scrap metal after one or two range trips
The SKS is a colossal piece of shit, every army abandoned that turd faster then fuck when the AK came to be.
It's just a unreliable, prone to slam firing Shit heap, simply a meme rifle going for AK level pricing plus a buck pricing.
Anyone that buys one is a foo.
>>29983444
it's not a question of passing up on the rifle, it's of buying a nearly identical rifle with better barrel.
>>29983464
i see. well for me it's a non issue, i'm not going to let that get in the way of snagging a nice yugo sks if one comes my way. i dont really subject my rifles to high levels of stress, the harshest environments they see are the gun safe and a few trips to the range a year. i guess if i had a more active lifestyle i might think differently, but then again, i would use a modern design like an AR15 instead with those mentioned features.
can you chrome lined barrel SKS guys report on your average accuracy?
>>29983500
"good enough" for fucking around, can keep it on a paper plate out to 300 yards easily.
>>29983361
They were widening then on the 10/63s, not the new production WASR 10s. They dropped the /63 to designate this
>>29983464
also whats the going rate these days for other types of SKS with the mentioned better barrels? i havent really kept up with sks prices, i got my yugo 10 years ago when they were about $120. i would still pay $400 for one that looks as nice as OP though. tough to find a new factory made x39 rifle that compares in quality and durability for that price these days
>>29983511
well thats all you really need out of a x39 anyway, anything over 300 yards is pretty pointless for the round and you should be using a 308 or equivalent
how much do they cost? what is your preferred SKS variant? i have been thinking about a small light norinco, if i see one around sometime in a shop i will probably pick it up
>>29983464
Only one worth buying if you must have a chrome barrel would be russian, since the chinese ones are mostly shot out and already pitted and rusted.
Russian sks's are going for $600+, might as well buy a AKM
>>29983522
They're still coming in as 10 round single stacks.
Part of the "sporting purpose" bullshit.
They dropped the /63 because the new rifles are all new production, as the old 63 were factory rebuilt from old machine gun parts.
That's why there were a lot of 70s and 80s dated trunnions on the 10/63s.
>At least that's my understanding
>>29983524
Sino Soviets are $350ish these days. They are generally beat to shit, but mechanically good because they were built by Russians or Russian trained chinks with Russian equipment. Pic is mine.
Russian would be best, but those are more expensive than WASRs these days.
>>29983444
oh no believe me I want all of the SKS variants and have no problem with the non chromed barrels but there are just more benefits to having one. Again though trying to find a gunsmith to install the barrel is difficult, or at least in Bismarck ND it is....
>>29982892
Alberta detected.
>>29983522
Nope.
Can't import AKs with double-stack hi-cap mags due to import restrictions. CNCing the magwells is why 922r is a concern at all when it isn't on a Saiga or Vepr. Well, WASN'T on Saigas...
Same thing with Yugo AKs.
If you buy an untouched single-stack PAP or WASR it also won't have a G2, or that ugly wood Century puts on them or the horrendous US-made pistol grip.
They're all imported in "sporter" configurations and given "evil" features stateside.
>>29983561
It is true, same reason no more Opaps exist, they ran out of parts kits at Zastava.
>>29983632
FFS OPAPs weren't kit guns.
They were (allegedly) built by Zastava from surplus M70 parts from a military contract that fell through to supplement the NPAPs while Zastava figured out what the fuck they were doing with the PAP series.
"Kit gun" means a thing and that thing is not "built new in the original factory."
>>29983522
The "10" in "WASR 10" literally refers to the gun's capacity out of the factory.
>>29983679
OPAPS are surplus parts kits, which is why the trunnion is marked with a yugoslavian crest, yugoslavia dissolved in the early 90's.
It's 2016,unless zastava is still marking guns as being made in yugoslavia when its actually serbia now.
maybe they are just going full cyka blaat
>>29983700
I'm aware retard, I said they dropped the /63 to show it's new production
>>29983706
>which is why the trunnion is marked with a yugoslavian crest
Mine is blank and marked on the right side with a "13" assumingly denoting year of manufacture.
My OPAP is also from one of the first batches, with the night sight cutouts and cartouche on the stock.
>>29983729
they did.
>>29982952
Actually my SKS doesn't have a manufacturer mark (sino-soviet)
>>29983706
I know it's autistic but this bugs the shit out of me.
A gun built on unissued parts in the original factory in the original country is NOT a kit gun.
There are OPAPs with Yugoslavian crests on parts, and there are OPAPs that literally only used a bulged receiver and other than that NPAP parts and furniture.
Former ComBloc countries don't throw ANYTHING away.
>>29983729
You ALSO said that New production WASR 10s do not have their magwells widened out by Century, which is wrong, retard.
>>29983890
But they don't, the WASR's come in imported the same as when you buy them.
>>29983904
Century has to replace some parts for 922r, I can't verify if the new production is still in single stack though
>>29983904
No they fucking don't!
Are you seriously fucking arguing that WASRs come out of Cugir with a fucking Tapco G2 in them?
>>29983954
Century replaced the FCG and wood furniture with their Balsa wood, besides the they are full factory guns.
>>29983972
So wtf does century do with all the surplus WASR furniture and FCGs, fire wood?
>>29983944
If Century didn't modify the gun in any way then 922r wouldn't apply. That's why a Saiga or Vepr doesn't have any US-made parts in it at import.
>>29983972
Can you explain to me why the fuck they would do that if they didn't have to?
You don't know what you're talking about.
Seriously, go Google some shit.
>>29983972
>>29983904
>>29983522
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WASR-series_rifles
>At the Century International Arms factory, the rifles are modified to conform with certain United States firearms regulations — in particular Title 18, Chapter 44, Section 922(r) of the United States Code, which deals with unlawful acts related to firearms. For example, the magazine wells are typically widened to accept standard AK double-stack column box magazines. Other common modifications include installation of upgraded gas pistons, fire control groups (i.e. trigger), pistol grips, and plastic folding or collapsible stocks manufactured by TAPCO of Georgia.
Jesus fucking Christ
>>29984014
The question still stands, are the new production (last 2-3 years) of WASR coming from the factory in double stack configuration? The wiki article mentions nothing of production changes
Can there please be one SKS thread that doesn't involve wasrfags?
>>29984061
No, because it's the natural alternative to the SKS. Same caliber, price is getting closer all the time, all around improved design. Of course people will talk about it.
That said, I prefer shooting my SKS to my AK. Something about it feels nice.
>>29983987
We don't know what a unconverted wasr looks like, what they look like before century changes the wood nobody knows.
>>29983990
>Can you explain to me why the fuck they would do that if they didn't have to?
>Muh 922r
>>29984052
YES THEY ARE FFS, vs a century monkey filing it by hand, they are unmolested factory mag wells.
>>29984087
Why are you so butthurt over a simple question? I'm talking about from cugir, not from century
>>29984087
No, they're not retard.
They cannot be imported as a double stack in the scary "assault weapon" configuration ie pistol grip, bayo lug.
Century just got much better machinery to mill the magwells.
>>29983616
he might be puerto rico
>>29984087
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