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What are your experiences when it comes to the quality of clubs and ranges in Germany?
Are you member of the Bundeswehr or Polizei?
How do became interested in guns?
Hope the thread is okay, just wondered how many of us are here.
>>29977994
south east bavaria here
cant tell much about the other things
>>29977994
Baden reportiert ein
>>29977994
Central Southern German.
Clubs are full of seriously cranky old people. I don't mind old people, but they don't like having young people around for some reason. Non-club ranges are fucking expensive.
Not a member of the Wehr or the Polizei.
Interested due to a family history of hunters and so-good-they-were-banned-from-contests shooters, which was unfortunately interrupted by the last generation's fanatic pacifism.
>>29978180
Take a look at the homepage of the BDS. The normal Schützenvereine are garbage desu and have other goals than to promote guns as a sport.
>>29978131
>>29978072
Glad to hear there are more Germans here.
Fallschirmjäger. From BaWü. Want to start sport shooting but dont have the time/ travel around too much because of work.
Bundeswehr fag reporting in. TaktLwG31
Bodensee reporting.
I live near the Landesjagdschule Dornsberg, that's a very nice compound mainly for clay shooting.
I went there a couple of times, but since i'm no hunter or competition shooter i had to hire a instructor to be allowed to shoot there.
I prefer shooting in Swiss Schiesskellern, much less of a hassle, rent a lane, rent a gun, blast away.
Recently my desire to own a gun intensified, how do i into Schiesssport?
>>29977994
Ba-Wü reporting in.
Most clubs are full with old traditionalists, some are ok.
Neither Bundeswehr nor Polizist, but I sometimes train with some policemen.
The guys from the MEK are pretty /k/
Had some shooting classes in Austria and here and most pseudo/k/ommandos are the greatest dumbfucks I ever met.
E.g.
Semi-auto rifle class. Out of 15 guys:
10 had brand new plate carriers, but also 15 kg overweight.
8 couldn't do a reload without looking
6 had an ar 15 for about 3000 euros, but hadn't shot more than 5000 rounds through it.
I believe the time of semi-autos is over in Germany. Most shooters don't give 2 fucks about them.
Quite sad, but unfortunately we aren't America.
Really love the shtf-fantasies I get to hear at our club.
Since the Köln happening we had more beginners than in the last 4-5 years...
What a coincidence...
>>29978411
I want to go to the Luftwaffe too
>>29978411
Thats impressive.
>>29978370
Nice. Wollte Offizierslaufbahn bei den Fallschirmjägern machen, aber kein T1 gemustert.
Hunter NRW Reporting
>>29978448
It´s the best. Mot like the dump fucks of Infantry
>>29978441
>we had more beginners than in the last 4-5 years
My club told me the same and I´m one of the newbies, didnt join because of cologne though. I guess I´m quite lucky everyone I met in my club was pretty chill, but far away from /k/ommandos, but everyone had semis.
>>29978370
>>29978437
18x Shooting in a year is no big hazzle.
Sachkundekurs machen und fertig.
Look around for a decent club, look at the guns the shooters have at the range. The cooler, the better.
BDS/BDMP clubs are the best.
>>29978463
Boelcke love anon
>>29977994
>What are your experiences when it comes to the quality of clubs and ranges in Germany?
Philippsburg is nice.
>Are you member of the Bundeswehr or Polizei?
nö.
>How do became interested in guns?
to satisfy my male cravings to kill and win.
>>29978504
>to satisfy my male cravings to kill and win.
yea paper targets are a real plague up here.
>>29978477
Is it hard to join?
>>29978568
Depends. What do you want to do there? Pilot? Then yes.
>>29978370
>Fallschirmjäger
I never understood how the German used their paratroopers. Is it like the US where you can easily volunteer for it, and most of the time you act like infantry except with a parachute on your back? Or is it like 16th Para where it's hard to get into, and you're a bit more elite?
>>29978604
I want to do something where i can fly. Helis or planes or jets. I am about to have a very good Abitur and i am well trained. But i wear glasses (But not strong only 0,0...).
>>29978701
Here it can be a stepping stone to DSO, KSK etc.
>>29978713
Gutes Abi machts dir beim Test in Köln echt leichter. Augen für Heli kann ich nichts sagen. Viele mit Brille wurden wieder nach Hause geschickt.
>>29978701
It´s the more elite theme. Parachuting is a nice thing but not really a viable tactic in the counterinsurgency operations today. But the need to do it during basic training keeps the pussies away, without being politically incorrect.
>>29978441
>>29978487
>>29977994
>>29978180
>>29978437
>>29978437
>How to into Shießsport
I´m member of a gun club in central west germany. Everyone and their mother has semi-autos here, a lot of AR10 and AR15s. The hunters that we share our club house with also own AKs. Most are in DSB and BDS to make it easier to get the needed paper work to legally buy and shoot guns. It´s not big of a deal, just join a club and do the gunhandling test (Sachkundenachweis). If you want to shoot your guns, going to the club 12/18 times a year is no problem as well. But honestly don´t mock everything the cranky old people say, some are incredibly good shoots and getting a .22 lfb rifle to learn to shoot is a viable advice. What I learned the hard way was the price point. Burning through 60€ worth of .308 and 35€ worth of .223 in one sitting isn´t something I can afford everyday. .22 lfb is just so much cheaper, especially if you´re on the lower end of the learning curve.
>tldr honest oppinion: staart small
>>29978072
Bavaria should secede before mama merkel culturally enriches the locals
>>29978562
Next time you mock paper, imagine a laminated piece close to your dick.
Yeah worse than isis right there.
>>29978949
NRW here. Ammo is a bitch. But I´m still in my first year, so its all I have to worry about. I didnt mock the oldtimers, I was talking about the one who only shoot Luftgewehr and drink beer.
>>29979117
I now that kind of shooters, same of them only come to my club to avoid their wifes at home and get some beers. Thank god we have a special separated shooting lane for air guns here, so I don´t have to deal with them complaining about the noise. 22. lfb ammo is dirt cheap at my club, like 3,20 € for 50 shots.
Stupid question, but what do you guys wear to the range? Regarding belt setup etc.
Germany seems to be less mallninja like.
>>29977994
Which Schießvereine or Firing ranges would you recommend in Berlin? I try to get started here but I don't know what I need to start with. DId my 9 months of military service too, back before it was put on volunteer-only.
tl:dr wanna go range-shooting in berlin, how do I start?
>>29979608
Generally just your everyday normal cloths, but target shooters who prepare for competitions usually wear pic related. That´s just your normal shooting gear, as you would also see at the olympics. Most of the people who take part in competitions like myself own at least the jacket, the trousers are laughed upon. The IPSC, BDMP guys usually wear tight fitting sports wear and belts to mount their holsters on. I have yet to see guys sporting plate carriers on the range outside my army time.
>>29979731
www.bdslv1.de/mitgliedsvereine/
Take a look at the websites of the different clubs and give them a call or write an email and introduce yourself and ask if they are interested in new members and if you can join one of their training sessions.
this whole thread is hillarious
>>29979807
I guess a pistol belt is okay, but depends of the guys at your range. As far as I know some of our members flew to Denmark last year for some long range shooting.
>>29979857
Gern geschehen.
>>29979731
Not from Berlin so I can´t recommend a gun club by name. I think first you should think about what you want to shoot or own. Then you need to look up the gun clubs near you and find out which organisation they belong to (Verband). There are for example DSB (the largest with 1,3 million members, mostly target shooting), BDS (second largest, more relaxed about semis-autos), BDMP (small one for police and military but open for all, here you can do some more dynamic stuff) and so on. Mind you most people are in ore than one of them, because even though BDS is more relaxed changes are there are only DSB ranges around you. But this is no problem, you can shoot on them as well - you just have the permission to buy your guns from the other oragnisation. Thats no problem and very common. When you know what discipline/ kind of firearm you want to shoot, go to the clubs themselves. Do they have the equipment you want? Do they have a 100m range for larger caliber rifles? Do they have a dedicated pistol range? Do you like the people there, or are they somewhat strange? I think you get the ghist.
>>29979869
I gues too, as long as you don´t do quick draw drills Tex Grbner Style you should be safe. And guys don´t let anyone tell you it is forbidden to holster your weapon. It is not "Führen einer Waffe" as long as you are on private property. In Phillipsburg most people open carry their side arm when on site.
>>29979963
Philippsburg looks really good, sadly a 4 hour+ drive away from me.
>>29979923
>>29979834
Thanks. Have a funny image. The hero /k/ gets, and the one /k/ deserves.
>>29980002
Join a local club. It´s easier to learn to shoot there and drive to Phillipsburg once every three months. That´s what I do.
>>29980051
I´m already a member of one, but it´s always nice to see different ranges. Would love to shoot beyond 300m sometime.
>>29980139
Beyond 300m is not easy to find in germany. I heard there are some old army ranges, that are now privately owned, that feature long range shooting events though.
I am really impressed that /k/ is the only board where Germans (are able to contain their autism and) consequently speak English. Seems like german /k/omrades are proven to be Ubermensch, whereas other germans are Untermensch.
I wish the Finnish /k/omrades could take a lesson from you and stop speaking Finnish
>>29980229
Scheiß Ami
>>29980287
Ab ins Bett Frechdachs.
Wollte vielleicht mit Vorderlader anfangen, irgendwelche Hinweise oder Tipps?
when are you Germans going to have some pride and stop letting a madman long dead continue to destroy your country and your proud Martial traditions?
>>29981872
>implying hitler did something wrong
>implying merkel did nothing wrong
Bremen reporting in.
Had a red gun permit (rote WBK) until 1 or 2 years ago, haven't renewed it since I'm too poor to buy and store guns properly.
Do I need to go for an entirely new one? Or can I just renew it easily? I got it when I was 18 and the granddad of my friend told the department he was going to hand his gun collection down to me.
>>29981382
Well if you ant to, why not. Bare in mind that Vorderlader are a completely different animal. Most Vorderlader you can buy and own wih 18 years and usually you neither have to have a licene nor store them in a safe. You can use them as wallhangers if you want to - that is what my grandpa does. Getting the black powder is a bit more tricky. You need to finnish a safety and handling course that last about a weekend. On Suturday you typically have around 8 hours of lessons, on Sunday around 2 hours and the exam itself. It´s really not hard if you aren´t a total dimwit, think "theoretische Führerscheinprüfung" - only easier. With that document you can file for a document that allows you to buy a certain amount of black powder.
To shoot your black powder guns, just go to a local gun club and ask if you use their range - or even better become a member and use the range whenever you like.
>>29983817
Why would you have to renew it? Why would your only WBK be the unobtainium red one? Why would you have the money to jump though alll all hoops for a red one, but no money for some cheapo gun from egun?
>>29984066
whats the red one anyway? collectors?
>>29984131
yep.
not even that hard to get, you just don't get it casually.
>>29984276
isn't it restricted to the type of weapon you are collecting?
sportschütze from NRW reporting in
>>29983817
Niedersachsen near hamburg reporting in
How did you get the red WBK
I have a yellow and a green one and want to obtain the red one but i just dont know how
Everything i search on google leads to ammo collectors but i want to collect firearms
Ausfag here, are German firearm laws as fucked as they are here or are they better?
How would you describe the firearm culture in Germany? Is it more of a hunting culture, militaristic 'tactical' culture or a bit of both?
>>29984391
Absolutley no tactical culture
Its more like hunting and targetshooting culture.
If you go full tactical on the range you will most likely be kicked out of your gun club or you jägerschaft
The only tactical like thing you can do is IPSC but thats not very common here (yet).
>>29984391
mostly hunting culture
OWL reporting in
>>29984288
yes, but it doesn't have to be very specific. I know a guy who has a collector's license for 9x19mm pistols.
>>29984447
well restricted to 9mm para pistols is quite restricted tbH faM
>>29984427
OP here, OWL too.
>>29984391
The EU wanted to pass stricter gun laws, Ban semis etc, but right now the laws are bearable, but of course no chance to get a carry permit or anything like that.
>>29984473
You can only get a CC-Permit in Germany if your Life is in "immediate danger of death" or something like that.
Basically if you get shot you can get your CC-Permit.
If you survive you get "police-protection".
>>29984463
you can still have yellow and green WBKs for your other needs. the red one is just the most hassle-free for shopping.
>>29984488
>You can only get a CC-Permit in Germany if your Life is in "immediate danger of death" or something like that.
no, when you are at elevated risk and a weapon can reduce that risk. a doctor got his CC because he has to respond to medical emergencies in shady parts of town. he had to sue, but got it.
>>29980287
>>29980690
Yeah, go to bed, Fred
>>29984473
Bielefeld by any chance?
>>29984488
>>29984535
Concealed carry permit is not the right wording for the situation in germany, as yyou don´t have to hide your gun per se. The "Waffenschein" allows you to have a gun on you in public. In reality most people who have it hide it, but legally you don´t have to to that. There is no distinction between concealed and open carry in germany regarding the "Waffenschein".
As for getting one: There are more people than you would think who have it. A lot of politicians, especially on federal state level, Ambulance Drivers and Taxi Drivers as well as your security personnel do carry. That being said it is not very likely for your average joe to obtain one.
>fun fact rumour has it that Claudia Roth carries a Glock 26 in her purse, fucking hypocrite
>>29984671
>fun fact rumour has it that Claudia Roth carries a Glock 26 in her purse, fucking hypocrite
Please tell me that is not true...please.
>>29984583
Porta. Do you know Wittloge, Borgholzhausen etc.? Nice SIG.
>>29984391
>>29984408
Defensive and Combat shooting is forbidden in germany by law. Thank the SPD and the Greens for that. While BDMP and IPSC Shooters do dynamic shooting drills, they are on a thin line to forbidden combat shooting. I think that´s why gun clubs in general tend to be dismissive about tactical culture.
>>29984677
Here´s the rumour:
http://www.liberales-waffenrecht.de/2012/01/22/schieende-grninnen/
And here the Zeit article, where they deny everything and claim gun owner must be crazy for asserting Claudia has an evil gun. Of course she was talking about her perfume being a weapon: http://www.zeit.de/2012/07/Gesellschaftskritik-Parfum
>>29984714
That Zeit one gave me cancer. I seriously dont know what to say anymore.
>>29984749
Yeah I know. That is just your typically german anti-gun rhetoric. Who needs facts if you can mock and ridicule your political opponent. Here have a 243 S TAR.
SH here, I joined a small club 2 months ago. Sadly it´s a DSB one, but I can´t really complain:
>big 25m handgun range for up to .45 handguns
>50m range for .22 rifle or pistol shooting
>the usual 10m air rifle range
>mostly older guys, some young guys but pretty much everybody is really nice and supportive
>training is 4 times a week, even more if you want to shoot bow&arrow
I´ll still join a BDS/FSD SLG next month, DSB´s ruleset is really cucked
>>29984963
At my DSB gung club we have 25, 50 and 100m ranges as well as a dedicated archery range. On the non archery ranges you can shoot anything up to 7000 Joule but no Tracers. So shooting even .338 Lapua Magnum is no problem at all and I frequently see people taken advandages of this.
>>29984749
>>29984749
you should be yelling nein nein nein.
>>29985015
There are a few 100/300m ranges near me and members of my club sometimes go there. Renting a few hours is dirt cheap.
It just pisses me off being limited in my gun-selection because of DSB rules.
Even something like a 10/22 would be impossible to get if I would stick to DSB only.
I've been meaning to ask
HK overprices all their stuff, right?
Do they sell any kind of entry-level rifle for an actually decent price?
>>29985063
SL8 is pretty good I guess
>>29985059
Sorry but you´re wrong. Semi-Auto disciplines are part of DSB sports rules since this year. Perhaps that is not yet known to your gun club´s president. The calibers allowed include everything up to 8mm, so for example an AR 10 in .308 is no problem anymore. Which Verband are you, some might not have implemented the rule change yet.
>>29985076
Schleswig-Holstein doesn´t have those discplines on their Landesliste B afaik.
>>29985063
HK is comparatively cheap for german conditions. Guns are generally more expensive in germany than in the US, that being said HK, SIG, Walther guns are not as expenisive here as in the US. So there really isn´t that price gap when it comes to HK in germany. Non Semi-Auto german made and EU made guns are less expensive here than in the US. As an example a nice Anschütz .22 lfb rifle with walnut stock in good condition can cost well over 1000$ in California, here I bought mine for 400€.
>>29985096
Keep your eyes out man, I just talked about the rule change with my gun club´s president two or three weeks ago. I´m sure it is in the new Sportordnung.
>>29985113
Where are you from?
>>29985122
Bavaria
>join club close to me
>decent facility but only a few guns to rent
>not a problem since I always go shooting as soon as they open
>really like it and go as much as I can
>eventually jahresvollversammlung comes up
>go there to make good impression
>boring as fuck inefficient bureaucracy bullshit and circlejerking
>everyone gets drunk as fuck
>finally get to proposals
>someone proposed to buy a second 9mm and a 45 because 10-20 new shooters joined
>guy in charge is against it because 'we have many new people now but it probably won't stay that way' - yeah not with that attitude nigga
>proposal gets put to the vote
>gets denied because every fucking airgun shooter and archer is against it as well as the Vorstand, because 'lol who needs large caliber when you can shoot airgun and .22 xDD'
>tfw the government would have subsidised 50% of the price of new guns but these faggots still voted no
>I am now angry as fuck and vote no on every fucking proposal the archniggers and airniggers make
>I feast on their angry glares
I only went once after that and got chewed out for being 'unsafe' (carrying an unloaded gun, slide locked back, mag in other hand to the cleaning room while range wasn't cold).
Stopped going after that, mostly because I didn't have much time and needed to save money but also because I couldn't be arsed to deal with these people. Probably gonna quit, I'll be going to the US next year to finish my masters if possible, so I wouldn't be able to get my WBK anyway.
So yea at first everything was nice but then it turned out exactly what I imagined a Schützenverein to be like: full of old fudds who don't give a shit about gun ownership and a bunch of traitorous archers and air shooters with some sort of superiority complex because their 'weapons' aren't as loud.
Fucking faggots
>>29985189
Oh and I get a feeling that the gun lobby in general is toxic as fuck and filled with statists support Sachkunde and safe storage laws and such bullshit. Blockwarte and vorauseilender Gehorsam everywhere too.
We still have a loooooong way to go but it's not looking to good. GRA need to step their game up and be more aggressive.
Dutchfag here, not technically german yet (WWIII soon stalker)
Clubs and ranges here are expensive shit, you're already paying €500 a year before you can even think about getting a background check so you can get a firearm. You are allowed to shoot range owned weapons at this point though.
I wish I could join the military or police.
I'm sorry about the migrants, Germany. Really I am.
>>29985189
Calm your tits man. Time is on our side, in my club alone we got 5 new members since the beginning of the year, all under 35 and all interested in large caliber rifles and pistols. In the last 3 years the amount of military style semi-autos in my club has easily tripled. In a few years the old .22 fascists who grew up with the Anscheinswaffenverbot will be gone from the Vorstände. The new geneartion of shooters is very much interested in things beyond shooting paper targets with .22. Stay in the club and explain why you and the other younger guys think that was a bad decision, if you stop going there you lost.
Being chewed for shit by old people is normal, just accept it and move on. I was schooled about proper hearing protection even though mine was better rated than the shit the fucker had.
>mfw I was an assistent shooting instructor while in Bundeswehr and get schooled by some fucking farmer about meaningless shit
>>29985218
and I complained about the measely 60€ per year I have to pay
>>29985213
I support safe storage too anon. Everytime I hear about some nig nog getting shot by her 5 year old, because there was a loaded gun lying on the backseat I cringe hard.
>>29984683
Yeah i know the 300m Wittloge range, sadly know mine unlike the ak and glock
>>29985232
I hope you are right. I do plan on shooting a bit more in the summer, and then I will see if it's worth staying.
It was just such a nonsensical rule. I get that you shouldn't carry loaded guns around when people are downrange, but an unloaded gun, clearly empty etc. .. its especially stupid since the cleaning room between two ranges, so I have to do some kind of weird frogger game to get in there unless both ranges are hot...
The whole thing kinda just grinded my gears. Guess I gotta get involved more and explain to people how getting subsidised guns is a good fucking investment when we had 20 new shooters in the last six months alone.
And maybe get a proposal through to keep separate finances for different sports and prevent archers from voting on large caliber shooters and so on.
Hopefully the old people will fuck off soon, there is no hope for these clubs if they stay the way they are.
My club needs to get working and build a 100m range already and expand the other ranges to accommodate more people, then buy a few more rental guns, preferably black ones, start advertising and make some incentives to join, like free ammo for the first two months or some shit idk.
It's just infuriating how these things are run if you look at it from a business point of view. No wonder the sport is in trouble.
>>29985267
I support safe storage but not mandatory safe storage. It's proven to not work and it also makes home defense virtually impossible, which means laws like that actually raise the crime rate (break ins and home invasions).
Neglient dumbfucks will be neglient dumbfucks no matter how many laws are made. Vast majority of people involved in gun accidents in the US also have multiple DUI incidents on their record btw. These are not responsible people and they don't necessarily obey laws.
The range club Berlin I go shooting from time to time is just about to rebuild the former russian 300m range. Reallly looking forward to it. Since I'm a hunter I don't know much about the restrictions for "normal" shooters. I can buy almost everything yet my county stops registering semi automatic rifles atm due to a stupid court decision a few months ago.
>>29985218
>Dutch
Welcome. Why dont you join the military or police?
>>29985232
I can understand your anger, it seems to be really hit or miss when it comes to clubs in Germany.
>>29985273
I would give my left nut for an ak and a glock. I really like Wittloge. I currently only shoot the rentals from my club. Can´t wait to check out the other ranges around OWL.
>>29985305
*club near Berlin
>>29977994
Any of you german peeps own a usp elite? They're selling them in turners around my area and i really like the look. Will it be compatible with my USP mags?
>>29985305
Yeah this dimwitted judge who thinks his case will change the way semi-autos for hunters are managed at the moment. I always thought it was a nice touch to say, OK you only hunt with 2 round mags but what you do on the range is your business. Hopefully it stays that way.
>>29985314
I only know about USP Experts accepting USP 9 Magazines. I don´t own an USP yet though
does anyone know of any BDS-Verein around the Frankfurt-Main area? google-san only told me about the Hanau one, are there any others?
>>29985371
check out Heusenstamm. not sure where the next BDS is but they train IPSC there.
why is everyone still so afraid of Germans ?
like them knowing how to shoot or having any sort of pride is the end of the world
>>29985400
because they know we are the superior race
:^)
>>29985189
Swissfag just lurking around.
>inefficient bureaucratic circlejerking
It's pretty much the same here in Switzerland. Must be a Germanic thing.
Here, gunlobby's head is all composed of 65yo retired fudds who are happy to annoy younger shooters.
>>29985424
At least you guys got semi decent laws because of your defense doctrine.
Should work on getting CC tho.
Here in germanistan the press is shitting themselves because more people are applying for kleiner Waffenschein, which allows carry of pepperspray / blank guns.
It never occurs to them that maybe people just learned about that law now and are getting the permit en Masse to not be criminals...
>>29985424
Hm, compared to Germany, Swiss shooters seemed pretty chill.
Went to the Schiesskeller in Spreitenbach a couple of times, the RO was great, the other shooters were bros, they let us shoot their SW500 and shotgun, very pleasant experience.
>>29985412
gotta keep a man down igr
>>29985439
>SW500
>>29985457
And that was _after_ we shot the Fiddy Cal Deagle brand Deagle.
But shooting big guns in a narrow concrete tube is not as much fun as an outdoor range.
>>29985386
thanks for the info
Alles ist in Ordnung.
had fun in the army when there still was the draft. Fallschirmjäger are a fun bunch but then again, i didnt get to know the other branches so i cant compare.
>>29985308
They won't take you if you're autistic or asthmatic. I have a mild form of both, but I function just fine without meds. The asthma is just annoying, nothing more and the autism just means that I don't like to show my emotions and that I don't like beating around the bush. At the recruitment office they just take one look at your medical records and tell you to fuck off. They don't check your abilities.
>>29986514
That really sucks, but same goes for Germany, if you have any physical or mental constraints.
>>29986662
I'm hoping for Trump and WWIII
I'm pretty sure they'll take me then. Don't forget the anschluss potential that lies to your west.
Hunter who passed the exam a month ago here, ask me anything if you have questions.
Also good news for German gun owners and hunters in particular, the planned EU ban was rejected on nearly all points by the main advisory committee and the court ruling that banned semi-autos for hunters will be fixed by rephrasing the law, to bring back the former legal practice where hunters could buy any semi auto.
https://www.jagdverband.de/content/bundeslandwirtschaftsminister-h%C3%A4lt-wort
>tfw able to walk into the store and buy a noice .30-30 lever action
>>29984963
SH here, too
Some of the ranges have the worst people. I went to a black powder range (they also shoot kleinkabliber) and they flat out told me they wouldn't even let me touch anything until i've been shooting air rifle at 10m for a few months.
What the fuck, guys.
>>29985328
>>29985305
BTW
A few weeks earlier the same court decided the GEZ was constitutional. Make of that what you want...
>>29986775
Hopefully they don't pull a 180° and fuck us over even more with the law change.
>>29986989
>>29986775
I was so surprised to see that law not pass.
>>29986989
>new law shadily fucks over German gun owners even more
>the migrant hordes learn of the defenselessness
>cologne part 2: electric rapealoo
>>29984366
Also NS here, Just south of Hamburg
(actually from Rostock, die Front an der Warnow)
I'm currently also looking at getting red one, but not as a collector, but as a weapon specialist (Waffensachkundiger), since I'm a gunsmith and have the Fachkunde.
>>29986989
When the minister said that in his opinion, pistols weren't affected by the ruling I already assumed the worst and expected them to keep pistols legal but let rifles get banned. Apparently you can still have some faith in them though. Let's just hope they won't take too long to pass it.
>>29987006
The EU will definitely try again. Public disarmament is still high on their agenda, they just need to wait for the next ahmed attack or school shooting to bring it back. It's like with those SOPA/ACTA etc internet censorship bills, even when they're stopped they always come back under a different name.
Pic related is what I just bought.
>>29978131
>old white about to die
>other white man already dead
>multicultural hotties desperate for the strong black man to save them.
Lol is that a special game advertisement for the EU?
>>29987052
Congrats. Lever action looks like fun.
>>29987052
A school shooting like what happened in Norway might advance their agenda, but an Ahmed attack? After the cologne rape fest and the attacks on Paris, it looks to me like Europe's citizens are actually starting to go more to the political right. In Germany at least, didn't AfD gain a whole bunch of popularity following the New Years gang rapes? I'd imagine more attacks from radical Islam would only drive people further into the right wing.
>>29987052
And still, Bremen (I heard it was them) and couple of other Waffenbehörden refused to allow any new pistols and revolvers.
NRW (of course) has it's head so far up it's own ass that it can already see daylight. Several WB said they will not only refused the registration of any semis, but will also prosecute the seller for illegal arms trade. No wonder all this crap (the hunters and the semi auto thing) started there.
On a different note: Those Marlins are breddy sweet. Had the chance to fingerfuck them recently. Sadly my gun budget is rather short at the moment (bought another 3 guns, am going to buy a new safe (old ones full), stocking up on ammo, etc.).
Here have a .700 Drilling
>>29987164
What in the world do you hunt with that? Heathen gods? Krakens? Tornados?
>>29984427
Cleaning rod Fritz, get one of those.
Unngf, AK's without cleaning rods just look so negro
>>29987186
Dunno, propably everything from lightly armored vehicles to Monty Pythons Killer rabbit whenever the Holy Handgrenade isn't at hand.
>>29987229
i have one but for the love of god it does fit with the hand guard on which i couldnt get off
>>29987253
Do you think you can open up the hole, or does it just not stay put?
>>29987164
Bremen is especially bad I think, weren't they the ones to pass that punitive gun insurance to make owning guns even more cost prohibitive?
Noice, that's a proper elephant gun for once.
Where was this? Sammlermesse Ulm?
Kinda debating going there in 2 weeks but if it's anything like the one in Vandel (Danmark) it's not nearly worth the train ride.
>>29987325
Yup, 300€ per gun I think, but their shit was thankfully slapped down hard.
That was at the IWA 2015 (fuck yeah, free attendence due to gunsmith apprenticeship). Couldn't go this year due to work (not an apprentice anymore, meh).
The guy had loads of crazy stuff.
>stop at his stand
>gazing at those beautiful fusions of wood, steel and craftmansship
>my buddy asks the guy if he could hold one
>"Nah, it's cabled to the table, but here you can load one!" and hands my buddy a .700NE round and turns back torwards another person
>primer hasn't been hit
>youwotm8.png
>buddy asks the guy if it's a live round
>ignores him twice and keeps talking to another guy
>buddy shakes the round, sounded like a full gian ass salt shaker
>guy thought it was a good idea to tell a total stranger to go ahead and load .700NE rifle in a crowded hall while handing him a live round
pic related
>>29987455
It didn't pass?
Jesus Christ, what an experience. What's being a gunsmith like? As in, the pay, the work and everything
I'm an apprentice IT sysadmin currently but I've been wondering if working with guns could be something for me.
NRW, Münster reporting. Former Fallschirmjäger looking to get into Polizeivollzugsdienst after my Ausbildung ends.
Getting paid to hold onto öffentliche Ordnung in Unruhen and Ausschreitungen, getting to blow off overtime during the week and get paid to shoot funs, work out and work on martial arts during the downtime. Looking forward to it.
>>29987503
Eh, it ain't bad, but I wouldn't recommend it to everyone. You gotta have a passion for it.
You won't get rich unless you're a specialist in your field and have the demand for your kinda work.
The work conditions can range from assembly line work, to mostly sales + mounting a scope and small repairs (where I ended up), to actually doing your damn job and doing everything yourself (requiring a lot of experience).
There actually used to be 3 separate professions (barrel-, system- and stockmaker) which got all thrown into one, which means there's a lot of stuff to be learned, so most people just specialise in a direction.
So it's up to you. I told you how my experience has been so far and while it may seem negative, I wouldn't trade it. It's a matter of conviction to me and I'm easily what some would call bangstick wavin' gun nut.
>>29987650
Currently studying in Münster. Any plans to join SEK?
>>29987683
Ah, thank you!
Well, I don't think I'm gifted with working with my hands so I might just stick to shooting guns.
>>29987743
And that's just fine and dandy.
Shooting them is much more fun than actually working with them.
Some people I know have actually lost some interest in them and now just see them as part of their job.
I can see where they're coming from, but I doubt that will ever happen to me. I just love all guns (except the ones I'm trying to desperately fix or those my finger is stuck in at that time)
>>29987309
>>29987309
it gets wedged in the hand guard because it get interted with a slight angle
>>29987701
Prinzipiell - ja.
Ich finde es aber scheiße, direkt in den Laden eingestellt zu werden (und sich zu nem ohnehin recht beschränkten Kreis zu bekennen) und direkt zu posaunen man möchte zu den größten und bösten Jungs.
Über einige Ecken hab ich jetzt einige wenige Sachen über das Münsteraner Ecken gehört und halte darüber hinaus respektvoll Abstand. Körperlich haut das sicher hin, aber die SEK dieses Landes möchten ja, dass man sich vor einer Bewerbung persönlich vorstellt, auf den Zahn fühlen lässt und ihre Zäsuren durchsteht.
Schwierig zu sagen auch, ob ich "Pläne" hab direkt in das Münsteraner Kommando zu gehen. Das Nachersatzverfahren der Polizei NRW ist für die allermeisten Berufsanfänger recht eindeutig: Man kommt dahin, wo das Land einen braucht, und bleibt dort minimum 3 Jahre. Davon 1 Jahr Streife, und die beiden Folgejahre sodenn in der Kreispolizeibehörde eine EHu vorhanden ist, in diese. Folglich kann man auch eine völlig fremde Stadt kennen lernen, dessen SEK man sich vielleicht verbundener fühlt, weil es einfach die "dienstliche Heimat" geworden ist.
>>29987701
Also, I wear a black Rush72h Backpack with a New California Republic or Skinwalker patch.
In case we ever cross cycle lanes.
>>29977994
>bunderwear
>polirtchei
>implying those are real words
>>29988164
Raus hier, aber dalli.
Minga
Not German btw.
>>29988106
>>29988139
>In case we ever cross cycle lanes
Maybe in the Ludgerikreisel, I will keep my eyes open.
Die Einstellung finde ich echt gut, so sehe das auch, aber das ist definitiv etwas, was man im Hinterkopf behalten kann. Ich bewerbe mich wohl nochmal beim Bund zum Studium, auch wenn Münster ganz schön ist.
>>29986808
Try looking for a new club, a club near mine is just like the one you described.
We had people shoot .357 on their second time here. SLGs are also a nice option. Are you near Hamburg?
>>29988246
Na dann, viel Erfolg bei deiner Bewerbung. Du machst das schon.
>>29979117
where in nrw ?
>t. frog in nrw
hätte gern mit jdm gesprochen um meinen Deutsch zu verbessern, aber /de/ auf int ist absolut krebs
>>29988419
I´m the Minden/Münster anon. Feel free to contact me. Are you here for school?
