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/k/ i am THIS close to ordering a polish p64. I need some opinions on this pistol - are they worth it? Will their ammo dry out ina few years like mosin ammo has?
This is going to be my first gun thats my own (but ive shot before), so would this guy be ok for a range toy? thanks!
They make new production cheap no
>>29950672
9x18mm? that is good to know. Ive heard the ballistics are inbetween .380acp and 9mm?
Fantastic quality for the price point. Great for CC.
Will eat the fuck out of the web of your hand if you put more than 5-6 mags through it at any one time.
I really like mine. It's fairly accurate but snappy and after a box or so it kinda hurts to shoot because it'll dig into the webbing of your and. Slight amount of slide bit but it's not too bad to be honest. It's slim as well which is nice. It's also been reliable so far with the 600 rounds I've put through it. Ammo is common and cheap online. Good starter gun or just to mess around with. For the price I'll rate it a solid 6.5 out of ten.
....or should i get a cz82
>>29950757
I have both. The P64 is a better carry piece but the 82 is a much better shooter all around.
>>29950804
it seems like cz82's have dried up. Do you know if they still pop up from time to time on the surplus stores like jg sales or aimsurplus?
>>29950651
I have been thinking about getting one of these grade 2 ones. 1 mag and more holster wear but $200 + free shipping seems like a heck of a deal.
>>29950651
>Will their ammo dry out ina few years like mosin ammo has?
No, since 9x18 that's sold now is almost entirely (entirely?) new production ammo, but consider the whole range of what's available in the caliber before deciding on one of these guns, especially if you plan to practice with the gun at any indoor shooting ranges. This is one of those cases where you might glance at ammo prices online and think that everything checks out, but the reality of owning a gun in the caliber is a little less copacetic.
>the cheapest ammo tier (Tula, Brown Bear, Wolf, other animals)
-most plentiful type of 9x18 ammo currently
-all of it is imported from Eastern Europe, meaning that a ban is just one executive order away from happening at any given time....
-$10 per box online, $14-17 per box in gun stores (pretty affordable if you shop online)
-steel case with bimetal jacketed bullets
-due to the steel in the bullet itself sparking on gun range back stops, most indoor ranges ban the use of this ammo in their facilities
>mid range tier (Sellier & Belloit, Fiocchi, PPU, Winchester, Blazer)
-harder to find in general, less stocked
-both domestically produced and produced in Western Eurabian nations, probably won't be subject to bans anytime soon
-$14 per box at the cheapest online, $18-25 in gun stores (shop in brick and mortar stores at your own peril)
-brass (or aluminum) case with FMJ bullets
-no problems shooting the stuff at indoor ranges
>premium hollow points (Hornady is the only company that makes them, hope you like their products)
-Cabelas usually has them in stock, which is a good thing
-domestically produced
-$18 for a box of 20 at the cheapest online, so not exactly cheap
-brass case with regular JHP (lead and copper) bullets
>>29950651
I've been looking at them too.
Go the extra dollar for the Bulgrarian Mak.
>>29950838
Buffalo bore makes 9x18
>>29950855
Does their ammo break the paradigm I outlined in any way?
>>29950858
Premium hollow points and you claiming Hornady is the only producer.
>>29950651
it's not really a fun range pistol
>>29950865
But they don't break the paradigm of the ammo falling into one of three categories, all of which have important flaws.
>>29950838
>premium hollow points (Hornady is the only company that makes them, hope you like their products)
Underwood loads an XTP in 9x18.
It's $15/20, and it's just as good if not better than overpriced Hornady.
>They also have 115g hardcast
https://www.underwoodammo.com/9x18mm-9mm-makarov/
>>29950811
I bought mine off of Armslist a year or so ago. If you can find one for $300 or less then jump on it. I doubt any retailers would have any these days since I couldn't even find them back then.
>>29950880
$15 for 20 rounds is $.75 per round, and far more than the $24 I spend on a box of 50 Gold Dots in 9mm, or the $22 I spend per box of 50 on Federal HST contract over-runs in .40S&W.
Thanks for playing, though.
>>29950880
Also, the "XTP" bullet is made by Hornady, so not only are you wrong, you are also dumb.
So far we have found 3 US producers of 9x18mm hollowpoint ammunition any one have any more?
>>29950651
go for it
>cheap
>light
>tiny
>neat
>reliable
>totally not a ppk
>easy to disassemble and repair
>automatic empty slide lock
>decocker with half safe carry (safe hammer up)
>good and light da trigger
>mine arrived in easily 8.5 to 9/10 condition
on the flip side
>heel mag release
>6+1
>mags are expensive
>holy tits the recoil
>45 caliber kick for 380 caliber power
>your hand will hurt after a while
>oh my fuck the sa trigger pull
>literally over 20 lb pull
>recoil spring hard as fuck too because blowback
>can be a pain in the ass to charge
>can be hard to grip with gorilla hands
>no slide release/manual slide lock
just get a ppk
>>29950919
Butthurt much? Find me a single self defense hollow point cartridge in the caliber where the bullet is made by anyone besides Hornady.
>>29950937
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=233
Says nothing about hornady or xtp.
>>29950898
You didn't say anything about 9mm.
We're talking 9x18.
>$18 for a box of 20 at the cheapest online, so not exactly cheap
$15 is less than $18, so I proved you wrong faggot.
Kindly kys with your gold dots, fag.
>>29950958
>Says nothing about hornady or xtp.
Buffalo Bore has a policy of not disclosing that information so they can change them out when prices fluctuate, but to my knowledge, this company does not make their own hollow point bullets. Go to any gun forum or gun blog where people have compared the bullets and you'll find that people who are familiar with them realize that they are XTP bullets.
Example:
http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2013/09/18/9x18-makarov-ammunition-self-defense-guide/
>The bullet used in the JHP load appears to be the XTP load from Hornady
As >>29950880 pointed out, the Underwood loading also uses the Hornady XTP bullet. So far, it turns out that I am 100% right, and I'm getting damn annoyed by having to do all the work of proving you idiots wrong myself. Do your own research before making claims that are wrong.
>>29950984
>You didn't say anything about 9mm.
Fuck off. The question of whether or not to buy a firearm chambered for 9x18 as opposed to a firearm chambered in a Western cartridge was implicit in my post. >>29950838
>but consider the whole range of what's available in the caliber before deciding on one of these guns, especially if you plan to practice with the gun at any indoor shooting ranges. This is one of those cases where you might glance at ammo prices online and think that everything checks out, but the reality of owning a gun in the caliber is a little less copacetic.
>$15 is less than $18, so I proved you wrong faggot
And like I said the first time, even $15 for a box of 20 rounds is expensive, way more expensive than practice ammo even in the same caliber. It falls into my third category for this ammo, so there is no "proving wrong" on your part, in reality or in your imagination.
Next time you want to make a post for the sole purpose of being a contradictory ass, just fuck off instead. No one wants to hear your bullshit.
>>29951008
So what is wrong with a 95g ftx or xtp or a 115f heavy solid?
Your acting like this is a major issue.
>>29951008
Just kill yourself autismo.
>>29951023
See, that's a legitimate question.
>FTX
Getting clogged by denim and not expanding.
>XTP
Jacket separation, leading to suboptimal performance.
They aren't bad hollow points, but neither is perfect either. The gold standards at present are Speer Gold Dots and Federal HST, and neither offers options in 9x18 because I think they realize that it is not a serious caliber. It's something that neckbeards buy because they are too impatient to save up anther $100 for a better handgun.
>>29951008
It seems you are so mad your original post was specifically mentioning ammo, not bullets. Keep going, though, this is fun.
>>29951028
>defending your own position when attacked is now "autism"
Why is it that every thread about Makarovs or Makarov look-alikes always devolves into someone calling out Mak owners on their bullshit and Mak owners flinging their shit EVERYWHERE all over the thread like angry children.
>>29951038
So should I treat it like a 32 and just fire solids/fmj?
>>29951038
>have polish parents and be immersed in polish culture, despite living in the states
>dziekuje mamo i tato
>feel like buying a polish surplus gun because why not
>see attractive price of the gun $200-250, and ammo is also well priced
not everyone has to be into .40fudd and other meme rounds to enjoy firearms anon.
>>29951042
>>29950838
>hollow points (Hornady is the only company that makes them
What do YOU call the thing in this image?
>>29951051
This sounds like such a bullshit story and something you are making up just to save face.
>>29951049
The XTP is fine, just not the best of the best. I would carry XTP ammo and feel comfortable with it. The reason for my comment "I hope you like Hornady's products" was because many people aren't comfortable with ammo technology that is merely "fine" and instead demand top performance, which is unavailable for this caliber. These people need to know what they are in for if they are looking to buy their first gun in this caliber.
>>29950651
Is it shiney? I want a polished mak.
>>29951120
So get a Walther PP.
>>29950907
you know hornady sells just projectiles to anybody that wants to load them right.
>>29950932
Pretty much this. I own a P64 a PPK and a bersa thunder. the bersa is the best of them all. granted the bersa is way newer and has improvements over the original designs of both these pistols. They are all fun guns. the bersa has better form and function at about the same price as the P64, the PPK is an all around nicer to look at gun. I can't speak to the S&W built PPKs.
>>29951038
>>29951124
Also, it has to be california legal.
>>29950958
As far as I know Buffalo Bore doesn't make projectiles. they just assemble over charged cartridges with commercial parts.
>>29951132
>you know hornady sells just projectiles to anybody that wants to load them right.
I'm curious why you thought this comment was relevant to the conversation.
>>29951144
Not even mad, bro.
>>29951173
read what it's in response to and answer your own question.
>>29951043
>sperg the fuck out
>accuse the people trying to have a discussion of being the ones who ruined it
The thread was nice and civil until you showed up.
>>29951192
I know what you're replying to since you are replying to my post, bub. In that post and preceding ones, I'm talking about Hornady being the only source for hollow point bullets, even those loaded by other companies. Following me so far?
Now here you come along saying that Hornady will sell their bullets to other companies. Well, duh! How the hell else would Underwood and Buffalo Bore get a hold of Hornady bullets? This is called stating the obvious and it's so unnecessary that I was simply asking if there was deeper meaning to your post. Clearly, there isn't.
>>29951043
>Why is it that every thread about Makarovs or Makarov look-alikes always devolves into someone calling out Mak owners on their bullshit and Mak owners flinging their shit EVERYWHERE all over the thread like angry children.
They don't. Just threads where the aspies refuse to accept reason and evidence.
For example, take >>29948284. In the first post, he acknowledged that he would have preferred 9x18, but was willing to accept it being chambered for .380 because it's more practical for him. The guy's a realist so his thread didn't turn into a shitstorm.
>>29951213
well your right, come fuck me in the ass right now
>>29950694
>>29950695
how to prevent web bite?
>>29951254
Wolf Springs, bout 10 bucks. It's borderline uncomfortable to shoot without them.
>>29950757
I have a CZ83.
The .380 allows one extra round in the mag.
>>29953063
so if i understand, web bite results from the slide coming into contact with the webbing between my middle and my fore fingers. So wouldnt I be better off changing my grip, or buying new grips with a beavertail-esque thing? how do the wolf springs factor into this?
>>29951249
Better not be digging your knees in to my bolsters....
>>29953382
Nice, I have been considering getting my CZ-82 blued like that. Where did you get the grips?
>>29951254
You don't.
>>29950811
AIM just had CZ82s and CZ83s in stock the other day. They pop up from time to time, usually as European or Israeli police trade-ins.
>>29954088
Not the same person, but the grip on the P-64s are just too damn narrow so they force all their recoil into a very small surface area of your hand.
>>29955240
what about gloves
different grip
>>29950651
Let me guess
>Want a handgun
>lolwhatsmoney
>Gun Broker
>type in "Makarov"
>see a shitload of CIA POLISH MAKAROV P64 9X18 W/ HOLSTER 9 MM P-64 links
>only $239.99
>better ask /k/ so I don't buy a lemon
If you want a small automatic, save up so you can pay more than $240 on a six-shot shitty ass slav milsurp that uses ammo you have to order online or go to the right gun shop to find.
A factory new-in-box Bersa Thunder will cost you $110 more. It's not SIG Sauer or Glock quality, but it's magnitudes better than old commie milsurp.
You get one extra round per mag (with larger aftermarket magazines available) of a far more common round you can find at Wal Mart or every Gander Mountain/Cabela's/Sheel's and even Bass Pro Shop.
>>29956106
nope
>im polish
>ive noticed p64's for a long time, never really interested
>aim surplus has excellent condition ones with spare mag for good price
>shoots ammo that is in good supply and has decent ballistics
theres nothing else to speculate, becuase thats the reason for this thread. anon.
Ive looked at the .380 bersas, but Im not interested in them.
>>29950683
Yes. Poor bullet selection and availability if you don't handload though.
>>29950651
Neat. I got one. Don't regret it. Don't ever shoot it any more.
Not the safest of carry options (hammer snag, go boom).
Snappy recoil (as pretty much everyone has mentioned).
I would never recommend it as an only gun or for CCW.
>>29956196
>availability
Do you not internet?
>>29956168
>>im polish
This would be a defensible emotional reason to buy the gun. You don't need to seek other people's advice if you want to buy the gun because it reminds you of your heritage. Stop trying to rationalize this emotional reason (albeit perfectly valid) with your "muh good enough ballistics for me" bullshit. You keep advancing indefensible positions and acting surprised when people force you to try defend these positions. Starting a thread like this, you're trying to bait people into a one-sided debate with you when you've clearly already made up your mind to buy the damn gun.
>>29956106
why don't they make Bersas in 9x18?
it's a better round than 9x17
>>29956220
You're really overthinking it anon,
>i need some opinions on this pistol
is literally the point of this gun, to learn about any kinks or plusses or minuses about the firearm from those who own it, because I'm not aware if you know but those who have a particular pistol tend to have a greater knowledge about their inner workings.
>indefensible positions
ok anon lmfao
>trying to bait people into a one-sided debate
theres no debate you thick walled cunt, im just trying to collect some ancecdotes. Get your head out of your vagina.
>>29956211
Nope. I swore off of it back in the 90s.
>>29956291
>on 4chan
I bought a p64 and a cz82 at the same time. Still have the cz, sold the 64 relatively quickly. It is very slim and pocketable, but not a fun gun to shoot at all. Cz isn't much bigger and much more pleasurable.
>>29950651
pic related
Otherwise an ok gun.
>>29956271
>why don't they make Bersas in 9x18?
Because Bersa, like any company in any industry, wants to make products that people will actually buy. If people want a gun in 9x18, then they will buy the gun it was made for.
>it's a better round than 9x17
A .380 hollow point will do far better for self defense than bulk Tula or Wolf FMJs that the hipster/fedora neckbeard archetype will be putting through the P64 or PA-63 he bought on gunbroker for $250.
