China is not afraid of fighting a war with the US in the South China Sea, a newspaper with close links to the government said on Wednesday
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/11959421/China-not-afraid-to-fight-war-with-US-after-South-China-Sea-move.html
China is setting itself up to be repeatedly provoked in the disputed waters—it might even be counting on it.
All any nation needs to go to war is a good provocation, and China is no exception. With its sweeping territorial claims, island-building, militarization, patriotic fervor, and prickly rhetoric, Beijing is setting itself up to be repeatedly provoked in the South China Sea—it might even be counting on it.All any nation needs to go to war is a good provocation, and China is no exception. With its sweeping territorial claims, island-building, militarization, patriotic fervor, and prickly rhetoric, Beijing is setting itself up to be repeatedly provoked in the South China Sea—it might even be counting on it.
http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2016/05/beijing-setting-stage-war-south-china-sea/128292/
>>29943310
To acquire the sea’s strategic advantage, though, China first needs to establish control over the waterway. That needs to be done step by step. The process might go something like this:
1.Make the sea claim.
2.Create outposts in the sea, and work toward turning them into military bases. At this stage, you might want to deny the military bit.
3.Express outrage if anyone goes near those outposts. Over time, establish a pattern of being repeatedly provoked, despite your patient warnings. Your outposts aren’t quite military bases yet anyway, so this is a good use of your time in the meantime.
4.As your outposts get closer to becoming real military bases, feel free to grow more strident in your responses to the “provocations.”
5.Once your military infrastructure is fully up to speed, you’re ready for war—you even have a track record of provocations to point to for justification! Of course you don’t have to start a conflict, but it’s nice to know you can at any time—and feel justified about it.
>>29943324
>Control the waterway
Jokes on them, the US Navy controls all of the oceans.
>>29943310
Honestly they can go right ahead, US would rape china back to the fucking stone age, what the fuck are they gonna do to stop the US?
>>29943310
>china
>war
the US will stop their food deliveries for a half year and 2/3 of china's population starved to death
>The next major war is nowhere near me
Im sure im still going to get bit in the arse though, get drafted by davy boy to defend australia or something.
>>29943324
When a US Navy warship passed by the Spratlys last October, China simply warned it against acting irresponsibly. But this week when another warship did the same thing, it sent fighter jets scrambling and shadowed the US ship with its own warships—thanks in part to the convenient military base nearby.
Even talking about China’s activities in the sea—in diplomatic settings—now draws ire from Beijing. In April it warned G7 leaders meeting in Japan to not discuss the matter at all, and then said it was “strongly dissatisfied” after they did anyway.
Last week, one Chinese diplomat warned that criticism of China’s actions in the sea would rebound like a coiled spring. If comments are “aimed at putting pressure on China or blackening its name, then you can view it like a spring, which has an applied force and a counterforce. The more the pressure, the greater the reaction,” said Ouyang Yujing, director-general of the foreign ministry’s department of boundary and ocean affairs.
In other words, Beijing is pressing its outrageous claims in the South China, and will take any opposition as a reason to press them even harder.
China knows it can’t go it alone, though, and it can muster some diplomatic chumminess when merited. It’s been attempting to enlist allies—including Gambia, of all nations—ahead of an international tribunal’s ruling on its sea claim that won’t likely go its way.
>>29943324
How can they even pretend their claim is legitimate. Or do they just not care?
>It has China right in da name, so it must be regitimate
SEAsian here, I hope USA is not all bark and no bite.
*Yawn*
SSDD. Hell, shit used to be a hell of lot more volatile in the region. Back in ye olde days, the Chinese wouldn't just let their coast guard patrol around and give people the finger, they'd let the PLAN roam around and do fucking autocannon drive-bys on the vessels of rival claimants.
China's been steadily making in-roads and slowly winning that whole circlejerk of conflicting territorial claims through investing more resources and they're not going to risk that formula by starting a war needlessly over something they'll get without it by just being patient and staying heir current course. And if there's one thing you can't accuse the ChiComms of, it's being impatient.
>>29943392
The only thing that matters when it comes to claims is if if you have the political will and military power to enforce them. China obviously has the former but might not have the latter. The United States probably does not have the former but definitely has the latter. No one else in the region has either if them.
>>29943310
Viet here
i think the first step of their master plan should be invading Taiwan, they don't want a proxy war with the US in South china Sea
they aren't serious, right?
no way they're considering going to war with NATO
>>29943310
>>29943324
>>29943387
Many Arab nations back China's stance on South China Sea
CHINA'S stance on the South China Sea is backed by many Arab countries, which expressed staunch support for Beijing's efforts to settle the issue peacefully.
In a statement issued at the 7th Ministerial Meeting of China-Arab Cooperation Forum, the participating Arab countries said they support China's efforts to peacefully resolve territorial and maritime differences with certain nations through friendly dialogue and negotiation.
Source: Xinhua
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/nation/Many-Arab-nations-back-Chinas-stance-on-South-China-Sea/shdaily.shtml
>Oil price
>>29943437
>invading Taiwan
>which will ensure that the American will be joining in the war
Yalu River 2.0 when
>>29943363
Uh huh. Cool story, bra.
Newsflash: China is a net food exporter, not an importer.
this can only end well.
who's ready to play fallout in real life?
I mean, the one good commie is one that's dead, but there's no way this ends well.
>>29943310
Are chinese even considered human?
>>29943454
Philippines signs defence deal with France amid South China Sea tension
France and the Philippines have signed a defence cooperation agreement, which aims to help Manila modernise its defence forces amid tension in its relations with China. The deal was signed two days after the election of new Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte, the French embassy in Manila announced on Saturday.
http://en.rfi.fr/asia-pacific/20160514-philippines-signs-defence-deal-france-china-sea-tension-grows
>>29943437
Invading Taiwan or the Philippines will result in direct US intervention as long as their isn't a pussy president like King Nigger I.
>>29943463
idk, every point to a full scale naval invasion
not anexing small island in the South china sea like what they did in the 1988 and 1974
>>29943437
>>29943463
That would also be completely stupid because Taiwan actually backs the PRCs claims in he South China Sea to the hilt - the Taiwanese still style themselves as the legitimate government of all China and also consider the whole South China Sea as part of their domain.
The US trying to enforce Philippino claims down there would actually break the alliance with Taiwan.
>>29943454
so this mean it's probably U.S and probably Japan,Vietnam,South Korea,Philippines,Taiwan,Malaysia,Indonesia and Singapore against China,North Korea and the arab nations?
>>29943324
If they can get away with this, next they will claim that SE Asia mainland is their rightful clay.
Fuck China.
>>29943513
and NATO too.
NATO will back any other NATO nation as long as they didn't start shit.
so basically, if the chicoms fuck with US operations, NATO gets involved.
and then it all goes to shit.
>>29943540
dang,the Russians gonna be a wildcard in this situation
>>29943510
what if the US turn to HaNoi
Obama is talking about selling weapon to Vietnam and building military base in Vietnam
>>29943448
What does any of this have to do with NATO?
>>29943540
Yeah but if America starts the shooting war, does that mean NATO countries arent obligated to help them?
>>29943561
*cough*
Gulf of Tonkin
*cough*
>>29943310
>>29943324
>>29943387
>>29943454
>>29943496
The next world war will be in the South China Sea
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/The-next-world-war-will-be-in-the-South-China-Sea-Ask-Thucydides-/articleshow/51066126.cms
>>29943552
We're already on decent terms with Vietnam, but their government has to play act like we're not because of the whole loss of face thing.
>>29943561
Iraq precedent says NATO isn't obligated to help until it becomes a defensive situation for the US.
>>29943537
Unlikely. There's nothing there that's really worth e headache.
>>29943561
NATO isn't obligated to help either way. The North Atlantic Treaty specifies attacks against treaty members in Europe or North America. It doesn't apply to post-colonial skirmishes or shit going down in Asia.
>>29943550
I figure it's gonna go down like WW2.
the russians don't like china as its a threat plus they could use the land.
so russia will team up with us for a bit, fuck shit up, take a shitload of chinese land while nobody notices, and then when the smoke clears, russia is our enemy again.
and we realize they took a shitload of land from china.
which will create and problem.
>>29943561
I believe NATO will back the US if china declares war on us, starting it with shooting or not.
they will not support us if america instigates it, doing something like parking 3 carriers off beijing and doing flybys.
but if china lobs shells at a us asset and destroys or damages anything on that ship, its war.
>>29943553
NATO being involved or not is pretty fucking important, they do sit in pretty big chairs at the nuclear table you know.
>>29943552
That's gonna piss off both the Pinoys and the Taiwanese.
That's the whole problem with trying to build a meaningful coalition in the region: Everybody may dislike China, but everybody also dislikes everybody else.
>>29943600
wouldn't it technically count, considering that US ships are US land?
or does it not cover that?
I thought nato got involved once a member got shot at and didn't instigate it.
>>29943467
hahahaha
no
>>29943310
>Telegraph
Tabloid trash
>>29943467
no.
china imports a SHITLOAD of food from the US, as well as other shit like scrap metal and I believe oil.
america cuts china off and china implodes.
simple as that.
hell, you almost wouldn't need a shooting war.
sure - it would help, but if you wait them out, they will die.
>>29943467
What? Something like 1/3 of all cereal grains used in China are imported. China desperately needs grain imports.
>>29943628
>wouldn't it technically count, considering that US ships are US land?
Only carriers, and if China sinks a carrier we're glassing Beijing no matter what anyone else does.
>>29943656
what if we just grabbed a carrier from the mothball fleet and shoved it with tugs and shit around chinese waters and let it float in?
then they sink a carrier, we lose no men or resources, and china gets glassed.
everybody wins.
Team Beijing: China, Norks, Pakis, Cambodia, Bangladesh, China's African Lackeys (Cannon Fodder)
Team Liberty: USA, Japan, South Korea, Flips, ANZAC, Royal Bongland Fleet, India, Taiwan
?: Indonesia (Leans Liberty), Vietnam (Leans Against China), Singapore (Leans Liberty), Malaysia, Myanmar, Laos, Thailand, Russia
>Thailand is not directly involved in this bullshit
Phew, this gonna be Vietnam 2.0
>>29943686
nato may be on team liberty if the commies fuck up a carrier.
granted, at that point, nukes are flying. but still, worth noting.
I figure russia would form some kind of treaty with the allies since they fucking hate china and would love to take it over.
let's just hope it doesn't go poland 2.0
>>29943597
China has reclaimed more than 3,200 acres of land in the southeastern South China Sea
http://www.voanews.com/content/china-reclaimed-island-south-china-sea/3330207.html
China Criticizes US Navy Operation in South China Sea
http://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/china-criticizes-us-for-sending-navy-ship-to-south-china-sea/3323980.html
China, Arab countries vow to boost ties
Top diplomats vowed to enhance mutual political trust, and bilateral economic cooperation, namely in areas of infrastructure and nuclear energy. The foreign ministers of the four Arab countries also voiced their support to China on its South China Sea
http://english.cctv.com/2016/05/12/VIDEGWJbMjRCtYPESsQoeuio160512.shtml
China-Arab States Cooperation Forum wraps up in Doha
http://english.cctv.com/2016/05/13/VIDEoMZpTx3204YyCRJwuvtI160513.shtml
Malaysia, China agree to settle South China Sea issues
http://www.nst.com.my/news/2016/05/144810/malaysia-china-agree-settle-south-china-sea-issues-doc
>>29943477
>no way this ends well
I disagree, the only way this goes to shit is if China gets so desperate they use nukes, which would be suicide.
Other than that, the US, UK, and France are just about the only blue water navies in the world, and with local help from the Flips, Japs, and Aussies, it's over before it even started. China couldn't hope to do shit.
Within a few weeks you'll need a glass bottomed boat to see their navy, within months the food riots will occupy most of China's security exports, and within a year or two complete economic and political collapse will set in. I would be willing to bet we'll see nations carve off chunks of China during the peace accords. Free Tibet, free Hong Kong, Chinese recognition of Taiwan, shit like that.
The Chinks don't want a war, they want to look like they want a war. They know as well as us they'll get put down if they try, but it's all about brinksmanship.
>>29943650
No. Not from America.
From other much more allied/neutral nations.
Also, China is a net exporter of a lot of food.
This is simply a question of comparative advantage. Why grow corn when America provides it for half the price via food subsidies?
Grow rice and yam which you are good at instead.
China wouldn't starve. But the meat and food prices would still soar.
Oil is China's problem, and the fact any real war with America would be retarded circa 2016. That's why OP's sources are tabloid trash.
>>29943686
>Vietnam (Leans Against China)
the Viet only want their claimed territory that China anexed from them in the 1974 and 1988
they will lean to whoever give them back their clay
>>29943349
Will the USN even want to get anywhere near the South China Sea once all these islands are kitted out?
If they're all going to be like that.. Woody Island?.. then I'd be shitting myself as a USN pilot / crewman.
There's no terrain to hide your approach with over the Ocean.
>>29943686
>Team Beijing: China
>Team Liberty: Taiwan
They both want the islands though. If you go to war with commie china over these islands, you go to war with the other china over these islands.
>>29943716
>rice niggers actually believe this
top kek
>>29943710
What the fuck? No. Nuclear weapons have never been the response to a carrier being sunk. Where the fuck is this meme coming from? Who the fuck keeps saying it is "sovereign land of America"?
Russia and China are buddies. They don't even man their border posts anymore. Russia would most likely stay out of it. Same for NATO. The treaty does not apply outside the North Atlantic nations.
>>29943628
No.
The North Atlantic Treaty specifies an attack within continental Europe or the continental United States.
NATO isn't obligated to go to war over some island in the Pacific anymore than it was obligated to go to war to help the French in Algeria or similar shit.
>>29943418
We fucked up a whole region beyond repair because 9 dudes flew 3 planes into buildings more than 10 years ago. Think what will happen in a real military attack against us.
>>29943733
You're disputing facts?
Look at China's food exports. They are self-sufficient in rice, yams, and a few other foods.
It's corn, meat, and fruits that they import en masse.
>>29943714
the problem would come with the island hopping pacific campaign style shit. because you know goddamn well we want those weird-ass concrete island things.
the other problem would be after the shooting is over.
who gets what? what are the laws around it?
what about the PLA and other insurgents?
sure, team freedom may win, but in the long run this will be a clusterfuck.
>>29943737
>What the fuck? No. Nuclear weapons have never been the response to a carrier being sunk
really? I thought that was like, the whole entire plan.
I think it started because oppenheimer said something like it, then it got twisted and parroted.
so russia and nato are out.
which means nukes are pretty much out and now this is a massive blue water war.
this is gonna be fun.
>>29943710
Poland 2.0 was already done in Poland several hundred years ago
>>29943552
>year is 2018
>war in south china sea area
>be US army grunt or marine grunt
>stationed at Khe Sahn 2.0
I'm down.
>>29943633
>>29943650
>>29943651
Yeah guess what, you morons? China also EXPORTS a shitload of foodstuffs. More than what they import, in fact.
"America" cuts off China and both implode. America tries to fully blockade China and actually looks to succeed at it? Same story because that ends in nukes flying.
>>29943780
source or you're just a chicom shill
>>29943710
Big if. China's best chance to fuck up a carrier is spamming DF-21Ds at it as it sits in port at Yokosuka. Spamming MRBMs at Tokyo is probably a guaranteed way to get all Ohio SSBNs to unload their Trident D5 payload to China. 24 Trident D5s, each with 12 475kt warheads, on each sub. Is that a risk Beijing is willing to take?
>>29943725
I see 'Nam as being more of a 3rd Party. Not quite allied with the USA, but fighting China of their own accord, while the USA doesn't mind, or provides some support in logistics.
>>29943729
Are you suggesting that the PRC and the ROC would work together? Without one "accidentally" killing the other?
>>29943686
Russia will almost assuredly side with China when it comes to a confrontation between the Chinese and the United States. The question is not whether they would support the Chinese but how much support they would give.
>>29943760
>really? I thought that was like, the whole entire plan.
>I think it started because oppenheimer said something like it, then it got twisted and parroted.
No. Oppenheimer has clearly stated that our response will be either proportional or up to the President's disgression. The "if you kill our carrier we will nuke you" is a meme.
Now if they nuke our carrier, it is much more likely we will up the game to nuclear brinkmanship. America isn't gonna start Armageddon over one nuked carrier, especially if we can destroy China conventionally and nuclear-wise from long-range (which we can).
Russia and NATO are out of the discussion.
Nonetheless, a US/China war is simply not happening anytime soon. Because China will lose badly. And I'm a rather pro-Chinese military poster (who uses sources here).
>>29943760
Political carve up is easy. Vietnam gets the land it lost, everyone gets claims to the SCS, HK and Tibet are freed and likely become US puppet states, and China becomes ruled from Taipei.
There will be a decent insurgency in the rural parts of China for years, but the cities will fall in line because most Chinese citizens don't really like being Chinese. They'd chomp at the bit for some real freedoms.
Everyone may hate eachother, but they hate China more, and they'd rather team up with Team Liberty to fight China and then go back to squabbling when it's on more or less equal ground.
>>29943788
>Is that a risk Beijing is willing to take
probably, they're pretty fucking retarded.
and if china doesn't do it, the norks with their newfound balls from being buddies with china will do it and pull china into the mess too.
>>29943797
That is unless we go full bro mode with Russia when the next president comes in.
>>29943686
>anyone in the region woking together with Japan
>North/South Korea giving a shit about the south china sea
>India giving a shit or being in any way interested in a conflict with the Chinese
>Taiwan not backing the mainlands claims
>Taiwan working together with the Flips
>Bongs and ANZACs having any of this clusterfuck
Yeah, "Team Liberty" is a clusterfuck of epic proportions.
>>29943788
>Are you suggesting that the PRC and the ROC would work together? Without one "accidentally" killing the other?
Im just saying each side believe they are the main chinese government and each side believes all those islands and the SCS is chinese.
>>29943809
fine, just say that it's the US vs China.
all out, no other nations. total war.
US still wins.
>>29943800
Except for, you know, nuclear weapons.
Your whole post is rather meaningless. The PRC commies will nuke the world before they lose their power.
>>29943552
No Obama is not trying to get a base. What are you saying? We aren't allying with PRC 2.0 anytime soon just because it is anti-Chinese.
>>29943787
Source that China isn't a net food exporter or you're just a burger shill.
>>29943788
>I see 'Nam as being more of a 3rd Party. Not quite allied with the USA, but fighting China of their own accord, while the USA doesn't mind, or provides some support in logistics.
Vietnam want their clay back
but their commie leader still afraid of American Freedom
>>29943815
>total war
Nukes fly, everybody loses.
>>29943754
>We fucked up a whole region beyond repair because 'we were led to believe' 9 dudes flew 3 planes into buildings more than 10 years ago. Think what will happen if somebody leads us to believe they've done much worse to us.
Fixed that for you.
>>29943815
It'll be Japan, US, Phillipines, and maybe the SK.
That's enough to defeat China.
Meanwhile the world economy will be imploding and Russia will probably invade half of Europe, but we can leave that out.
>>29943780
>nukes
No. China will legitimately let their political system implode over shooting nukes at us, because that means that at least some semblance of a Chinese state will survive, whereas if they use nukes, not only will they lose, because they maintain a minimum deterrence policy and therefore lose the actual exchange, China will be carved up, sold off, and heavily exploited to pay for the rebuilding of US infrastructure lost.
Nukes aren't the end all be all of warfare, you obviously have no grasp on wartime politics, so please get the fuck out.
>>29943832
goddammit, /pol/
take your meds and go back in the basement.
>>29943713
Pentagon: Chinese Military Modernization Enters “New Phase"
hina’s decades-long military modernization “entered a new phase” last year under the aggressive leadership of President Xi Jinping, a new Pentagon report on Beijing’s military capabilities said today. The “sweeping transformation” includes making the formerly mass army a nimbler, more balanced force that is acquiring the kind of expeditionary capabilities the U.S. military already enjoys.
The most visible outward sign of China’s military muscle-flexing can be seen in the 3,200 acres it has reclaimed on reefs and rocks in the South China Sea. Three of those sites in the Spratly Islands now have port facilities and 10,000-foot runways that can handle any plane in the Chinese arsenal, the report found. Those territorial claims, which clash with rival claims from other states in the region, are backed up with coast guard and civilian ships.
“It seems to us that these activities are designed to stay below the threshold of conflict,” but demonstrate that China is willing to defend its territorial claims, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for East Asia Abraham Denmark said while unveiling the report at the Pentagon.
The report, an annual update mandated by Congress, notes that the Chinese moves “have caused countries in the region to enhance their ties to the United States.” Given the still-growing Chinese defense budget, the report found, “these concerns are likely to intensify as the PLA continues to modernize, especially in the absence of greater transparency.”
>>29943760
>who gets what? what are the laws around it?
Ironically the only neutral approach in terms of the regional powers is to run up Old Glory and claim it for the USA. Given all the oil under the Spratlys this would also allow us to tell the whole Middle East to fuck off forever with our domestic supply secured long enough for us to transition to nuclear and renewables.
>>29943845
But the potentially more significant, long-term developments are found closer to home. Xi is pushing through a series of deep reforms in the People’s Liberation Army, including a massive reorganization of the historically unwieldy institution, moving it from a collection of distinct regional units to a more rigidly top-down organization. The Chinese leader is also purging the military’s officer corps, arresting dozens on charges of corruption over the past year while cutting some 300,000 troops from the army’s bloated ranks.
The reforms are rebalancing China’s military, making the army smaller while the navy and the air force grow; the report noted that Chinese aviation technology is “rapidly closing the gap with western air forces.” At the same time, China’s nuclear and missile forces have been reorganized as an independent service and have been bolstered with a new array of weapons that push China’s potential reach farther out into the Pacific.
The moves come at a time when Xi is widely seen as attempting to consolidate his control over China’s institutions. The military has always been seen as a political institution in China, and it exists to protect, and carry out the orders of the Communist party.
Given China’s emphasis on being able to operate farther from home — as outlined in last year’s defense white paper — the Chinese navy continues to get preferential treatment. The Pentagon report noted that the 300-ship PLAN “now possesses the largest number of vessels in Asia,” boasting a growing number of advanced surface ships, new submarines, amphibious ships, and its first aircraft carrier.
>>29943839
These Commies are the same kind of Commies that lived in Russia not too long ago.
The Chinese have a credible nuclear threat because they are ruled by Commies. If they were not, I'd be thinking like you.
>>29943310
They're marching straight to their own deaths. Good fucking riddance.
>>29943852
The report also stressed Beijing’s use of the so-called Chinese Maritime Militia, a paramilitary organization of hundreds of civilian fishing boats which acts as a virtual picket line, sailing hundreds of miles outside of Chinese territorial waters to keep an eye on other vessels and harass any that stray too close to Chinese claims.
In many ways, this year’s report echoes previous studies. The lack of transparency in Chinese military developments has long been a concern for the Pentagon, and Chinese behavior in the South China Sea has been a source of tension for several years. In addition to tensions in the South China Sea, Chinese defense planners have remained very focused on being able to project power against Taiwan, if needed.
But this year’s report highlighted ways in which the Chinese military is slowing shedding much of its doctrinal baggage. Traditionally, the Chinese eschewed overseas bases and deployments, and focused on close defense. This year’s report stresses Chinese deployments overseas for peacekeeping and anti-piracy missions, a growing network of logistical support bases in the Indian Ocean — including China’s first-ever overseas base in Djibouti — and technological developments that make it easier for Chinese ships to operate farther from home, including better air defenses on new frigates and destroyers and the country’s first operational aircraft carrier.
>>29943844
>the government has lied
>does lie
>will lie again
>/pol/
That's the worst meme.
>>29943854
If you seriously think a US/China war is happening anytime soon, you're delusional.
China will lose and China's own generals have said they will lose.
>>29943864
Copy pasting an entire article piece by piece isn't useful.
>>29943852
On Thursday, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Joseph Dunford and his Chinese counterpart, Gen. Fang Fenghui, spoke for the first time since Dunford took office in October, according to a statement released by the Pentagon.
Dunford “acknowledged the areas of cooperation” between the two militaries, while delivering “messages regarding U.S. commitment to uphold the rules-based international order, defend U.S. allies and interests in the South China Sea, while affirming a desire to avoid confrontation,” the statement said.
Foreign Policy
http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/05/13/pentagon-chinese-military-modernization-enters-new-phase/
The Pentagon's 2016 China Military Report: What You Need To Know
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-pentagons-2016-china-military-report-what-you-need-know-16209
>>29943874
Nice strawman you dumb nigger. I never said or implied anything you're talking about.
>>29943310
Hear that noise? It's the noise of China's economy collapsing from the resulting economic sanctions.
>>29943853
Not.. really.
China and the US both maintain a pretty close relationship with Taiwan, if you set aside the memes about a potential invasion.
It's not crazy to think that China would be willing to accept a deal to turn the government over to Taipei if things were going south.
They're businessmen, they understand that of their country is a mix of smoking craters and slaves working to rebuild America there will be no more business.
>>29943839
A full-blown, successful blockade means in an off itself a lethal threat to the existence of the Chinese state. It's is right on par with an outright nculear first strike as far as they're concerned.
Also, "minimum deterrence" in this case means the minimum to still end the US as a nationstate with some attrittion factored in. So no, both sides lose the exhange, idiot.
The US will be too busy collapsing as a nation to try and carve up anything but itself
Presence of nuclear weapons IS the ultimate and overriding factor of all warfare on a strategic scale. You obviously understand less than nothing about wartime politics, so plese shut up and stop exposing your ignorance and stupidity to everyone.
>>29943895
>It's not crazy to think that China would be willing to accept a deal to turn the government over to Taipei if things were going south.
I can see this as being acceptable since it's "still China" and they can spin it as the CCP losing the Mandate of Heaven and the ROC government gaining it. It's much preferable to the Chinese people to remain ruled by other Chinese rather than have their territory carved up and served to the Russians, Vietnamese, Koreans, Americans, etc.
>>29943310
Dear China,
Annex whatever you want. Just remember that if you piss us off we'll hack the internet restrictions you've put up and let your citizens see exactly how fucked they've had it. Also, we might nuke something if you become a threat. Otherwise, we don't give a shit about the South China Sea. Now shut up and make our iPhones.
Sincerely, America
>>29943914
And you obviously don't understand that MAD doesn't exist between China and the US.
so I've gathered what the thread says and made a bit of a rundown of this war.
correct me if i'm wrong.
>US is fucking around in intl waters
>chinese rounds come whizzing overhead
>its war time now
>US, japan, sk, and possibly bongs/roos form a blockade preventing chinese import or export
>china doesnt like this and starts shooting at more US shit, maybe sinks a destroyer
>US steamrolls their shitty islands
>at this point the PLA is up to their eyes in riots and civil unrest while beijing is imploding
>more skirmishes and escalation
>final push time
>whole joint coalition thing invades and bombs the shit out of beijing. possibly glasses it.
>spend YEARS mopping up the insurgency
>US takes claim to a massive part of china and now has a fuckload of resources
>meanwhile, while everyone was distracted, russia invades ukraine and takes it
>ww3 part 2 happens, this time with full nato support
>russia fucks off out of ukraine
>everyone settles the fuck down
>back to the status quo
>>29943894
Economy is not good this is why CPC is pumping money into their military more and more
China dreams of making a fortune at one swoop by War
>>29943831
WHAT ARE INTERCEPTION MISSILES?!
>>29943941
yeah, no.
china and the US both have shit-tier interceptors and not too many of them.
plus decoys make short work of them.
interceptors are useless.
>>29943836
Honestly I'm ok with that. Gooks scare me more than Russians.
>>29943914
China doesn't even have a total capacity equal to what we used to plan for as a Soviet first strike, and most of those aren't ICBMs or SLBMs capable of reaching anything east of Honolulu. It would be unprecedented levels of suck, but we could absolutely survive as a nation. Hell, that would solve our overpopulation problem and give us a chance to rebuild infrastructure once the areas cooled off in a year or ten.
>>29943951
as long as we keep the missouri safe i am totally cool with losing hawaii
>>29943947
The interception rate against Chinese missiles would be far higher than against Russian missiles.
>>29943914
China maintains about five hundred nuclear weapons, most are not MIRVs, and even less are ready to fire, the US meanwhile can park thousands of nuclear weapons off the coast. If the US perceives any call up of mobile launchers and readying of reserve warheads the US will initiate a decapitation strike which will get most nukes as well as the Chinese command and control structure.
It is doubtful that after the initial strike that the Chinese will even want to launch, because the US can cut a deal saying that China can maintain its current government under supervision of the ROC as well as maintain a nuclear force for deterrence if they simply don't send.
If they do send the remaining few dozen nukes at us they have no bargaining chip, and a dozen or two destroyed military bases simply will not stop us, and I honestly believe that we haven't seen war crimes like what would happen if China nuked American clay.
China has a larger bargaining chip if they don't launch than damage that would be actually caused if they did. Make sense?
>>29943895
>They're businessmen, they understand that of their country is a mix of smoking craters and slaves working to rebuild America there will be no more business.
Except there'd be no slaves to "rebuild America" because America would be a collection of smoking craters with no ability left to aanslave anyone ever, dimwit.
>>29943931
MAD existing between China and the US is an insurmountable reality to all but the utterly ignorant and completely deluded. Thanks again for exposiong you utter ignorance and stupidity to everoyne, dimwit - you've proven beyond any shadow of doubt that you know less than nothing about the topic.
Australia will shit all over the chicoms. We will make our Chinese that live here work as spies that return back to riceland.
>>29943940
Yeah because get rich quick schemes always work out.
>>29943974
>we haven't seen war crimes like what would happen if China nuked American clay
it's not war crimes if it's justified, anon.
>>29943966
true, but the interceptors are only useful for arctic trajectories, since they're in alaska at greely.
if the chicoms try to hit pearl, pearl is fucked.
of course, so are they.
>>29943780
>>29943755
here you go you slant eyed rice niggers
http://info.hktdc.com/hktdc_offices/mi/ccs/index_static_type/FoodImport.htm
http://info.hktdc.com/hktdc_offices/mi/ccs/index_static_type/FoodExport.htm
china constantly imports far more than they export - q.e.d.
>>29943941
SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ACTUALLY RELEVANT IN AN EXHANGE BETWEEN FULL-BLOWN NUCLEAR POWERS.
ABM is an insurance against North Koea-tier actors throwing an odd missile at you and for defusing tensions when conventional ballistic missiles fly, but it's nothing more than rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic in a real nuclear exchange.
>>29943983
Learn what MAD actually is in strategic terms you stupid fucking cunt. It requires that the two countries in question have roughly equal ability to strike each other and launch second strikes. China does not possess an expansive or reliable second strike capability and would be required (at least by nuclear arms theory) to expend pretty much all warheads on missiles even capable of reaching the US on trying to take out nuclear silos.
Too bad Oppenheimer isn't here to tear you a new asshole with the nitty gritty details.
>>29943974
>I honestly believe that we haven't seen war crimes like what would happen if China nuked American clay.
Assuming the ~1000:1 K/D response to 9/11 and corresponding rage scales up? We would end China as a civilization and the Han as an ethnic group. Complete genocide of the PRC and ROC would be followed by strikes on Singapore, Vancouver, and any other place with sustainable breeding populations of them.
>>29943983
>t. fiddy center
>>29943983
You have no idea how nuclear game theory works. Kill yourself immediately.
>>29943983
China simply doesn't have enough nukes ready to be a credible nuclear threat.
They keep their mobile launchers and nukes in underground bunkers, so in order to use them they have to assemble the nukes, load them onto launchers, get them into position, and then fire. It takes hours of not days in a war where minutes matter.
It's such a large effort that it's impossible to not be noticed, and would immediately prompt a US decapitation strike if detected.
China simply has more bargaining power at the table when it's said and done of they don't launch.
At MOST we're looking at about 3 dozen destroyed bases, mainly in East Asia.
Compare that to...
Chinese eastern seaboard - gone
Chinese infrastructure - gone
Chinese government - gone
Chinese food - gone
Chinese future - gone
If China wants to survive, they'll peacefully hand over power to the ROC when the food riots start.
>>29943947
>shit tier
Please tell me more how Patriot missiles suck. And fuck right off about decoys. We had to deal with decoy MIRVs in the 80's with Russia. We fucking invented those techniques and continue to do so. We curbstomped Russia technologically with the Nuclear umbrella and I can assure you that we will do the same with you, you little rice eating faggot.
>>29943983
>>29944040
Of course that 3 dozen estimate is fucking GENEROUS if we have a working THAAD in East Asia. Any remaining missiles would be lucky to leave their launch pads.
>>29944027
holy shit i hope this happens
>>29944042
you dumb whore, I'm not a chicom.
seriously, talk to fucking oppenheimer.
our ABMs are shit in terms of interception rates and they can only intercept one warhead at a time, so if its a MIRV and there's more, its useless.
also decoys are a real thing and they fuck with our shit.
oh, notice how I said that china's ABMs suck too?
learn fucking reading comprehension you waste of chromosomes.
>>29944074
>if its a MIRV
Most aren't.
>>29944074
Oppenheimer died in 67.
You're knowledge is based on 1967 technology?
>>29944074
Don't worry about him, you're right, late stage ABMs suck shit.
That being said, there is a real possibility of THAAD working. It has the potential to intercept the entire delivery system shortly after takeoff.
If we have THAAD deployed to Easy Asia before shit flies, there's a good chance whatever would be left after a US decapitation strike would be useless.
>>29944096
Either extremely new or trolling.
Based OPpen is our greatest tripfaggot.
>>29943780
>>29943819
www.forbes.com/sites/chriswright/2014/02/11/when-chinas-food-runs-out/
https://www.msm.nl/tag/china-as-a-net-food-importer/
seriously 2 seconds with google dude.
Further China is effectively an island nation with 98% of their trade traveling across the water ways. Given how if they start a war in the south CHina Sea, they would be unable to trade with the countries they are at war with, and would themselves not control the bottlenecks for the shipping lanes, China would be completely fucked. A blockade would be as easy as putting some ASHMs at both sides of each strait, and forcing China to undergo an amphibious attack upon these locations.
Or we could just exploit the Achilles heel of all A2/AD strategies and simply deny them the use of that space as well. Remember kids just because you can deny a space to your opponent does not mean you yourself can operate out of it either.
Also this was a fun read: https://warisboring.com/to-defeat-china-in-a-conflict-america-should-study-world-war-ii-43610f7d6f17#.pvgyhkdj9
>>29943951
>China doesn't even have a total capacity equal to what we used to plan for as a Soviet first strike,
No, it just has more than enough capacity to end the US as a nationstate, fuckwit. Your plans for a Soviet first strike also uniformingly ended with the US being fucking buried and that was with the Soviets doing a counterforce strike while the Chinese doctrine is countervalue - IE, they don't care about hitting your nukes, they care about erasing your cities.
>the US will initiate a decapitation strike which will get most nukes as well as the Chinese command and control structure.
Yeah, and in your total ignorance and retardiation, you are actually deluded enouhg to believe this outdated nonsense.
What is doubtful is wehter your initial strike will actually hit anything but empty launchers because the very way the system is structured guarantees an automated counterstrike that's liable to be underway before you hit.
And even if your deluded nonsense were to acutally work, the "remaining few dozen" nukes would fly and would still be mroe than enough to collapse the US as a functioning nationstate. They're not going to fly at military bases, you fucking retards. China does not do counterforce, they do countervalue. Those nukes are going vapourize american CITIES. This is not negotiable, it's how the entire system is set up to act in that case. The only worthwhile deterrent is a deterrent that will be used if triggerred. You fail not only at nuclear policy, you fail at basic fucking logic.
A nuclear arsenal that you are not willing to use is no bargaining chip at all, fucktard. And the US has no bargaining chip at all in case of a chinese launch because there won't be a US anymore. Make sense?
>>29944144
Just as a general rule, never ever cite War Is Boring. It's hackery. They are neither experts nor journalists.
>>29944031
I have evidently infinitely more of an idea how nuclear game theory works than you subhuman trash. Kill your family for the crime of spawning you waste of oxygen and then please burn yourself alive.
>>29944154
Shut your dumb fucking mouth nigger. China does not have the capacity to end the US. Get that through your low, sloping, Neanderthanic skull.
You have admitted and actively displayed that you have no idea about China's capabilities or about nuclear arms theory in general. You're just the "muh scenario" cuntswab all over again.
>>29944164
0/10
Make an actual effort next time.
>>29944154
> vapourize
Oh look. A commonwealth troll. Gonna venture a guess and say Australian.
>>29943716
Yes and no. Oil is indeed a problem for China; however, they have sufficient coal reserves in the case of resource starvation I'm sure they would go the Nazi route of liquefying coal.
>>29943726
They don't have to. Islands don't move, and tomahawks are great land attack missiles. Add this to the need for china to not just control the parcels, but also the spratly's of which the closest base is a mere 148miles from the Philippines coast, and you can see how it will be China who has to project their military force into a hornets nest not the USN.
Also remember these are artifical islands a submarine screen preventing resupply would be devastating to these islands. It would give a chance for the commie to again experience flesh banquets.
>>29944154
Jesus. I'm just gonna stop responding to you.
I went to school for this. I do this as a fucking job. I know exactly what I'm talking about and I won't let some retard with absolutely zero grasp on what MAD, countervalue, decapitation strikes, and policy actually mean.
You don't get it, you simply don't.
China, if it even attempts to use their nukes, will be bitchslapped back into the stoneage, and if we have a THAAD in East Asia like we say we're going to put down, there's not a damn think China can do. Not a damn thing.
Not to mention, why would you use your one, only, singular bargaining chip for better surrender terms on some bullshit useless strike that will do nothing but insure that you, your military, your country, and even your ethnicity will cease to exist except in the history books.
China cannot do dick against the broader American infrastructure. This is non nagotiable.
Maybe when you work at a policy center you can have opinions, too.
>>29944040
>China simply doesn't have enough nukes ready to be a credible nuclear threat.
Yes, we have established that you are ignorant and deluded enough to actually believe this utter nonsense that contraicts all actual facts. Reiterating your worthkless bullshit does not stop it being worthless bullshit that does nothing but prove your cluelessness.
They do not need to assemble the nukes, you fucking retard, they'd be in readiness already. They're hidden in fucking tunnel NETWORKS, and in fact can be made ready within minutes under wartime conditions.
And quite to the contrary, it is an effort that is all but impossible to detect simply thank to it being mostly done udnerground.
China not launching would mean they would have no bargaining position whatsoever and is not a realistic option to anyone with even the faintest actual idea of the topic as opposed to your idiotic delusions
At LEAST we're looking at several dozen glassed cities, mainly in the continental United States.
US western seaboard - gone
US eastern seaboaard - gone
A bunch of cities between the coasts - gone
US government - gone
US as a functioning nation - gone
If the Us wants to survive, they'll not provoke China into a nuclear war. THAT is the actual situation in the real world outside of your ignorant delusions.
Now do the world a favour and stop talkign about things you know less than nothing about, you clueless retar.
>>29944255
Broof?
>>29944255
Broof a doodle doo
>>29944154
dude, what?
china has like, 600 nukes at most.
about 80% of them are single warhead non-MIRVs.
of that 80%, only like 30% are actual ICBMs that could hit america - but only barely.
the MIRV ones could hit america, sure. but that's 20% of their force.
600 nukes over the US?
may fuck the residents but the leaders will survive and china will cease to exist.
the chicoms can do countervalue all the fuck they want.
won't hurt us militarily.
looking glass could issue a EWO and fuck shit up long after the pres is dead.
please stop talking.
>>29944255
[citation needed]
>>29943864
This is the stupidest thing China could do. by militarizing their merchant fleet, their merchant fleet become legitimate targets. Unlike the commies, the US will only shoot at targets it thinks are legitimate, and unarmed fisherman would have been left alone. Now they will probably be killed.
>>29943874
Not entirely true. They have said they can win a sharp short war, ie attack a small island occupy it in a couple of days then sue for peace. If it comes to an all out war then they think they would lose.
>>29943914
lets game theory this one out. we have blockaded them and they think their regime is dieing they have two choices, nuke or capitulate. if the us is following MAD then nuking only gets china nuked and the regime members die. If the us does not follow MAD then the US capitulates. If they capitulate the regime members survive and can form a "new" state as soon as all is said and done. So who here believes Hillary or trump wouldn't nuke China?
>>29943889
You said they are walking straight to their deaths in response to OP saying China will go to war against America.
>>29944255
Why is China and Korea,both of Worst and Best, so short temper?
>>29943310
>a newspaper with close links to the government
There's another kind of newspaper in China?
>>29944289
>>29944295
Yeah he's fucking with us.
Like I said, I've run a metric fuckton of scenarios on this and the most likely is a naval war resulting in a decisive Coalition victory and blockade of mainland China.
After this it gets considerably murkier but most likely a political handover to the ROC looks most likely.
It gives the PRC government an "out" yet still provides the US with long term strategic benefits.
>>29943310
>Beijing Is Setting the Stage for War in the South China Sea
We can only hope this is not the case.
I dont think NATO and American alliance nations are ready for full scale war.
It will mean bad time for everybody mkay
>>29944255
you are only right about the tunnels. that's it.
their nukes are mostly liquid fueled. takes forever to get them ready and they can't be launched out of silos like normal shit.
here's a breakdown I did of their force
>>29944289
I would've responded to you too with that but I didn't refresh.
we have about 4 bunkers near DC that can be used.
we also have looking glass, the presidents 747, and the bigass bunker in colorado.
but say the president is killed.
we have like 30 people in line to take control of the nuclear forces of the US.
the US will survive, china will not.
we have more contingencies, plans, and preparation than they do, by a long shot.
>>29944209
Plus we have some Ohio class subs that replaced their nuke tubes with dozens of VLS tubes. The USS Ohio all by itself could wipe all their shitty artificial air bases off the map without ever breaking the surface.
>>29944345
Just stop responding to him. It's impossible for them to assemble the nukes, mount them, mobilize the launchers, fuel the missiles, and launch without the Ohios dumpstering their entire country. It's impressive how deluded he is.
That being said, like I've stated about a hundred times before, the nukes are more valuable at the negotiating table than during war.
Nukes are a political weapon, NOT a military weapon.
>>29944245
>I do this as a fucking job
Sure you do, kiddo.
So now you're down to trying to defend your bullshit by making up bullshit lies and claiming yourself to be an authority. Typical last resort of delusional liars that ar ebeing called on their shit.
No fucktard, you don't get it: Chine getting pushed to the point of using nukes means both China and the US get bitchslapped back to the stone age and cease to exist as functioning nations even under the most optimistic estiamtes that are still founded in actual reality. Nameropping THAAD as if it was going to have any real measurable impact is only further proof that you know less than nothing about the topic.
Same goes for your your utterly deluded and illogical tangent about bargianing chips, as if a nuclear deterrent were any bargaining chip at all if you're shown to be unwilling to use it when the very survival of your nation is under threat. THAT IS LITERALLY NOT HOW DETERRENCE WORKS YOU FUCKING SUBUMAN RETARD. There is no surrender terms when a nuclear deterrent is in play.
China can wipe out enough of the broader american infratructure to cuase the complete collapse of the nation. That is the insurmountable relaity of the situation and any claim to the cojtrary does nothing but prove you a deluded ignorant or a lying sack of shit.
Maybe when you stop being a delusion al lying little sack of shit you can have an actually valid opinion, too. Until then, your concession that you're an ignornat, dleuded lying little sunhuman shitstain and wrong on all points is duly accepted.
>>29944158
I know, but it was a fun read. just thinking of what the WWII pacific fleet would have done in modern times makes me smile.
>>29944154
>>29944255
Nukes are not magic. To get the image everyone has of complete devastation, to just destroy the LA metropolitan area would require SEVEN HUNDRED, 800kt nukes. So how is China with 500 nukes going to wipe out all of the major American cities? Hell even with 3000 nukes they would only be able to wipeout the LA, New York, and DC metropolitan areas. Last I checked american was more than those three locations.
>>29944360
4 to be exact.
The other 14 still have Tridents.
>>29944318
They have short man disease, both in the biological sense and in the sense of being permanently cucked by the US military and Russia's far east forces. Japan is comfortably under Uncle Sam's umbrella and can make fun of them with impunity.
>>29944372
What if I were to tell you, that you're wrong?
Would you be upset?
I think you would be.
So.
Without any further delay.
You're wrong.
>china
>relevant power
China will fragment and collapse before they have a chance to start any wars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEF8OAITB-E
>>29944372
>THAAD
China says "No THAAD in S.Korea!"
N.Korea says "No THAAD in S.Korea!"
S.Korea says " No THAAD in S.Korea!"
>>29944372
could you please explain to us, in detail, how you think the nuclear deterrence/response system works? and how it works with MAD?
preferably no ad hominems, either.
don't fucking link me wikipedia.
I want your own goddamn words and explanation.
>>29944408
Japan says "only if it doesn't need Marines to operate it."
I'm leaving Tuesday morning for a study abroad program from my uni. How fucked are we /k/?
>>29943819
It doesn't look like you are denying that China imports food, so all that is left is for you to show China is actually a net exporter.
>>29944295
Congratulations, you fail utterly at logic and game theory. Your entire theory there is based on the utterly nonsensical and baseless assumption that the chinese government members (which is not the same as the chinese govenrment collectively anyway, which already udnermines your entire argument) would have any reason to believe that they would survie a surrender in any shape, when in actuality, they have every reason to believe the opposite.
Your disfigured similacrum of game theory ignores both Cold War history and basic aspects of human nature. One of the fundamental basics of nuclear deterrents is that a nuclear deterrent only is such if you are going to use it when pressed. The mere concept of being unwilling to counterstrike is fundamentally rejected by all nulear powers, because it undermines the very core of deterrence.
>>29943310
>ITT: Babby's first South China Sea Crisis
We've been """"""""setting the stage for war in the South China Sea"""""" for 60 years now. Battles have actually happened ever since. And guess what: no war.
Maybe we East/Southeast Asians aren't like spastic Arabs who go to war at the drop of the hat?
>>29944451
>2 yuan have been deposited in your account
>>29944451
+$0.50
>>29944463
The difference is that this time China has its back against the wall. Their domestic market is slumping and they can't keep building random shit to prop up the economy anymore. They also have 30 million men who will never ever find a wife domestically. That combination of sexual market imbalance and shaky local economy IS similar to the Arab world.
>>29943467
Newsflash, brah: most of that food China exports was imported for processing and packaging. Domestic foodstuffs that get exported are things like apples and tangerines. Staple foodstuffs get imported, boutique cash crops get exported.
In 2014, China officially and publicly abandoned their attempts to achieve 95% grain self sufficiency.
>>29944476
We will NEVER stop building random shit! NEVER!
We will not stop until EVERY SINGLE HAN has at least one fully built apartment high rise in the middle of nowhere!
Not even America will have as many useless things, even with all of their slap chops, oxyclean, and ShamWows!
BILLY MAYS MORE LIKE BILLY DEAD FROM BURGER!
Stupid Americans idolizing filthy salesman selling STUPID AMERICAN THINGS THAT AREN'T APARTMENT HIGH RISES!
>>29943988
All chinese are already sleeper agents dudes.
>>29943310
Chinese weapons look intimidating from the outside, but in the inside they're a piece of crap.
>>29944546
Top kek.
>>29944565
Just like Chinese steel, Chinese food, and Chinese women.
>>29944546
>HI BILLY MAYS HERE WITH A MASSIVE FUCKING STROKE, JUST LOOK AT HOW FAST WE CAN GO FROM HERO, TO ZERO. I'M GONNA SHOW YOU WHY TO TAKE YOUR ASPRIN AND NEVER DO COCAINE, CHECK THIS OUUUUUUUUUUU.........
>>29943430
They've been running out of time, the welfare state everyone has been paying into is now sitting in desolate speculative development and they are just now realizing that their parents have nothing, they have nothing and the State can't help them. Look at the steel markets, they pretend it was all according to some brilliant scheme that they dumped all their steel into the world market and fucked everyone but it was just a result of shitty planning becasue the state funded steel mills physically could not stop pumping out steel or be forced to lay thousands off, which is happening anyway.
Thank god my parents got out in time before this shit collapsed, damn commies ruin everything.
>>29944594
Hey man, I've been fucking this chinese chick for a while, and she's pretty good. I think that's a little judgemental.
>>29944622
I only fucked one Chinese chick and she had more issues than National Geographic.
>a month in she asked if she could wear her full body fursuit in bed
>when I dumped her ass she screamed and tried to garotte herself within one minute of me dumping her - thank fucking god this was on a college campus and somebody dealt with her
>>29944634
>timid
>shy
>loving
>adorable
>absolute freak in the sack
>my dog loves her
I think I'm gonna wife it
>>29944653
Looks like you found a winner. Congrats.
>>29944653
as soon as you wife them, they become hellspawn
do not do it
>>29944661
I.. don't think that's limited to chinese women.
>>29944670
nah I just meant women in general, but asians are specifically evil once married
>Chink shills: China stronk 2smart4u won't go to war
>Burger shills: MURRICA WILL DESTROY YOU
>SEAmonkeys: Same as above
Every SCS thread ever
>>29944670
No, it actually is. Their entire culture revolves around the super-controlling wife/mother figure.
I don't even like asian chicks and I know this. Why don't you?
>>29944634
>asked if she could wear her full body fursuit in bed
>Dating a furry
>ever
>>29943357
I love such delusional posts.
>>29944683
This explains why so many Jewish guys marry Asian girls. We're used to that particular flavor of bullshit already.
>>29944695
I DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS A FURRY UNTIL SHE ASKED THAT. I thought she was just another slightly weird college girl.
All China has to do is fire the first shot and USA automatically wins as it shows China as very very evil.
>>29944683
>>29944670
>>29944661
>Their entire culture revolves around the super-controlling wife/mother figure.
This is true.
But it only happens when there's a power gap: i.e. the man is weak.
Source: my parents
>>29944714
just like the sand, right?
meesh said that the sand was very very evil, must apply to chicoms too.
>>29944703
No, that would be their family's money. To be fair Chinese are mostly amoral gold diggers too, so it's not as if the match is bad anyway.
>Chinese media bitterly attack US for sending a warship near artificial islands built by Beijing in disputed waters
aka
The USA acts aggressive and "setting the stage for war".
>>29944724
>Chinese are mostly amoral gold diggers too,
You described every human being in general.
The US is controlled by corporations, the Chinese controlled by "communists".
Everyone is a badguy anon. I'm sorry.
>>29944720
I mean, she hardly ever sticks up for herself.
She got a ticket because she forgot to put her new insurace card in her purse and I had to go to traffic court to fight hit for her..
And I'm a fucking cop..
She didn't even say anything until I got a copy of the ticket in the mail.
The USA will not win a conflict against China.
Just count the possible assets in the region and China has the superior position. And with China modernize their shit at a high pace the gap will only gets bigger.
>>29943628
The US didn't help in a significant way during the Falklands war, and neither did the rest of NATO. Why, because the Falklands was not continental Europe.
>>29944721
>Implying the sands fired the first shot and not from decades of western wrongdoing
All USA has to do is play the martyr and China loses all allies. Everything is working to USA's advantage as China alienates their neighbors some more. Easy USA victory.
>>29944744
>4 yuan has been deposited in your account
False flag operation soon brothers
>>29944751
>greentext
>>29944305
Which doesn't at all imply all out war dipshit. You made an inference that was objectively fucking wrong. Get over it.
>>29944476
>The difference is that this time China has its back against the wall.
OH
Like when they were starving to death?
Or maybe when Mao and the PRC's credibility was shot to shit by the GLF and Chinese were angry as fuck?
Like I said: /k/'s reaction to SCS dispute is a case of Babby's first.
>>29944751
It's indeed reality that the USA it plain outmatched in the region.
The USA has like one carrier strike group ready in that region. That's not enough to successful operate in that region.
>>29944769
we can mobilize more you retard, why do you think we have so many carriers/resources for CSGs?
>>29944727
It's not possible to act aggressively when you're simply transiting international waters.
>>29944759
>Like when they were starving to death?
>Or maybe when Mao and the PRC's credibility was shot to shit by the GLF and Chinese were angry as fuck?
China's navy was two rubber ducks with sharpened chopstick torpedoes at the time, and they weren't a nuclear threat.
>>29944769
Protip: we always have two aircraft carriers in the western Pacific. Their names are Honshu and Okinawa.
>>29944769
That's not even close to true. You're just dog shit at geography.
>>29944741
>She was testing you
That or she's just a retard.
Quite likely the latter.
>>29944777
>we can mobilize more you retard
>I don't know how a modern conflict works
>>29944727
aka
China claims any response to its actions is aggression.
>>29944759
>/k/'s reaction to SCS dispute is a case of Babby's first.
That applies to all topics on /k/
I love when people reading stuff like 10 aircraft carriers in service and think that means the USA can instantly send every asset to every place in the world.
>>29944804
The US can and will deploy 10 aircraft carriers if need be.
You goddamn chink shill.
>All these arm chair generals making "educated" predictions on strategic events/priorities in a war between the U.S. and China.
Why is /k/ so full of itself
>>29944804
The flip side of this is the insinuation that the US would need all 10 carriers if a war with China happened.
>>29944783
They were nuclear by the 70's. First bombs were tested in the early 60's.
Also the old PRC navy was of corvettes, old destroyers, and armed transports...so was everyone elses in South China sea.
>>29944823
I get the impression your post has more to do with /k/ generally not sharing your views.
>>29943310
It's basically been like this for the last 8 years.
>USA will rape China so hard if they try stupid things
several artifical islands later
>USA will rape China so hard if they try stupid things
>>29944856
No, it has more to do with people talking about things they don't understand.
The probability of war is low, even though some people seem to want it. China and the U.S rely on each other so much that it just wont happen.
I hope Trump will become president so China can fucking sink the Iowa.
Never shitty Iowa threads on /k/ anymore.
>>29943754
haha true. the sub warfare part would be the highway of death for the chinese.
utter fucking destruction
>>29944804
As opposed to the 1 partially functional carrier China has?
>>29944879
GO away party pooper. Can't you see we're having a power fantasy trip here?
>>29944908
That would be a counter argument if we are talking about China's ambitions to invade Alaska.
>>29943714
>The Chinks don't want a war, they want to look like they want a war.
>the problem would come with the island hopping pacific campaign style shit.
This is the most possible option china will go.They will attack during the US election or anything like that.And sadly I think US will be all bark and no bite.
>>29944917
No, not really. Are you seriously claiming China has no intention of using the carrier in the SCS?
>>29943505
wow look at that force projection, one hydrofoil. how impressive
>>29944924
Carriers have a way smaller importance for China in SCS than for the USA.
USA needs them to compensate for the lack of air bases in the region.
>>29944940
> lack of air bases
Hilarious.
>yfw the dam busters go for the Three Gorges
>>29944936
That's not a hydrofoil...
>>29944381
its like the chinks get all their info from 80s action movies, if we destroy, LA, New York, and DC, the united states is crippled, rorororororor, meanwhile chinese rivers are pink.
>>29944946
It's true though.
is
>>29944879
right
>No, it has more to do with people talking about things they don't understand.
>>29944963
>if we destroy, LA, New York, and DC, the united states is free from about twenty million libtards and much of their bureaucratic power structure
>All these burgers mad they will lost
kek you guys are pathetic.
>>29945002
>2 yuan have been deposited into your account
>>29944946
China can provide air power in that region through the air bases in Hainan.
What does the USA have?
China is far too fucking strong for the US to deal with. We can't even beat sand people, much less a first world country with a military beating our own in terms of size and funding.
>>29944963
starting a war and simultaneously killing their own population with pollution.
>>29944940
US carriers are shit anyway and will be sunk, causing the Us to lose billions.
>>29944979
meanwhile China uses new S.M.O.G technology to block aggressive american spy satellites, china strong.
>>29945012
Access to bases in numerous surrounding countries.
>>29945012
but but... USA!
>>29945017
>posting bejing on one of it's worst days
C'mon, m8, work on better b8.
>>29943797
>Russia
>Not using SEA war as opportunity to play king-maker
>Not sitting back while both sides fight and not be required to posture itself
>Not raking in the international prestige when they play peacemaker
The Beet-Niggers may be inbred border-line retards but they've got a clever streak and they'd realize they would have nothing to gain from going to war with or against anyone
>>29944963
It's like a pink cartoon elephant came in all of China's waterways.
>>29945074
>> one of the worst days
when your capital city is so polluted the intersections look like this, the only time ive ever seen smoke like this was when their was a fucking forest fire near me,
>>29945013
>China
>First World
>>29945102
look at another beautiful river full of illegally dumped clothing dye
>>29945130
oy vey have a look at all beautiful china has to offer, come here for vacation.
http://all-that-is-interesting.com/pollution-in-china-photographs
>>29945102
LA looks worse on certain days, burgershill
>>29945130
Your lakes and rivers are dying becasue you can't bother screen your ships from foreign invasive species or you propagated them yourselves, like the Kudzu, shut the fuck up.
>>29945159
>LA looks worse on certain days, burgershill
No it really doesn't. Maybe if your defective gook eyes opened far enough you'd be able to tell.
>>29945159
you are literally the worlds dumpster, Ting Tong, LA only looked half that bad when California was on fucking fire, i can go for a swim in any lake and river without wading through garbage and algae to swim in the pink water, cao ni ma de, you chink piece of shit.
>>29945159
>LA looks worse on certain days, burgershill
>thinking it's still the 1980s
>>29945159
have some more you delusional slant, wheres proof, on a website that's probably blocked in your country, hahahahaha.
>>29943737
Warships are considered sovereign territory. That's well established law and custom.
http://www.kentlaw.edu/faculty/rwarner/classes/carter/tutorials/jurisdiction/Crim_Juris_17_Text.htm
As far as nuclear retaliation for sinking a carrier, that could be jingoistic shitposting. It's not completely far-fetched, though. Carriers are strategic assets, a systematic attack on strategic assets might bring nuclear retaliation. It's probably very situation specific.
A nuclear attack against a CSG would most likely get a nuclear response, because nukes are already in play.
>>29945013
Are you fucking high?
>>29945252
You're replying to a paid Chinese shill.
>>29945196
It's mostly inert fog, you dumb ass. the air quality is only slightly 'worse' becasue your embassy never changes it's filters. Skimping on embassies as always, dumb americunt.
>>29945227
4chan oddly is not blocked, though the recaptcha is.
>>29945202
>world too retarded to recycle
>china does the work and sells it back at thousand times mark up
Golly, you're stupid.
>>29945276
>B-BUT THE EMBASSY IS LYING
Keep moving them goalposts, Cuck Pao.
fight me irl china, make sure to bring plenty of 7.62x39 for my ak, I'll need some more while wrecking you asshole.
But in all seriousness, China has shit workmanship, shit moral, shit shit shit.
>>29945013
>I don't understand how war works in the new media fueled hurt feelings world.
