http://thaiarmedforce.com/taf-military-news/53-rta-news/814-rta-signed-for-vt-4-mbt.html
Thailand buys the VT-4/MBT-3000.
150 tanks to be imported.
>>29935512
Why ?
>>29935722
Maidan
that is why
>>29935722
Ukraine can't deliver weapons in anything approaching a timely manner, so they need to buy from fucking riceniggers instead.
>>29935951
>>29935757
Russia's proxy war to punish Ukraine is working as intended.
>>29935512
Holy shit. Here I was hoping that the US wasn't so stupid as to let Thailand and China get so close to each other...but damn dudes. I just don't know why the US would throw away such a cozy relationship over something as simple as a coup. I mean, this is SE Asia after all...doesn't everybody have a coup every 5 years? Stupid and dangerous lost opportunity.
>>29936751
China and Thailand were secretly bro before, though. The King regularily traveled to China for medical care.
I wonder if they buy the RWS as well.
What is this, a ZTZ99 with a different turret and sensors or something?
Chinese tanks confuse me, to a slightly smaller extent, so do Russian ones. America has the Abrams, England the challenger 2, germany the leopard etc etc, but commies have MBT model 34523645
>>29936843
and it also has AC, which would be very important for Thailand.
>>29936856
pretty a ZTZ-99 specifically made for export
>>29936856
VT-4 is basically an upgraded MBT-2000 with new armor and the electronics of the ZTZ-99A, minus the laser APS.
ZTZ-99 and especially the 99A are based on other chassis than the MBT-2000, which are based on the Type 90 tank, which was refused by the PLA back then.
>>29936818
Ah. Makes sense I guess I hadn't been paying close attention, but shit just seemed to go full-retard on the US side since the coup. Lost opportunity.
>>29936856
>>29936902
Chinese tank line basically is:
ZTZ-59 (T-54A copy) ---> ZTZ-69/79 (latter with 105mm NATO gun) ---> ZTZ-80/88 (stretched chassis with one roadwheel-pair more but still cast egg-shaped turret) ---> ZTZ-85 (ZTZ-88 with welded western styled turret). The ZTZ-59 in its myriad uprgrades and variants are still used today in the literal thousands.
^
with the ZTZ-85/90 is where it branches off:
One line went: ZTZ-85 --> Type 90 (ZTZ-85 with ERA and new electronics, but refused by the PLA who waited for something better) --> Al-Khalid (Pakistani Type-90) --> MBT-2000 (Chinese Al-Khalid) --> MBT-3000/VT-4 (improved with the electronics of the new ZTZ-99A, but based on old chassis - albeit with new engines, turret, protection etc) <-- Export only line.
Another line went: ZTZ-85 --> ZTZ-96 (PLA approved 2nd tier tank) --> ZTZ-96A (New FCS and arrow-shaped ERA, shape similiar to the ZTZ-99 and often mistaken because of it, but much smaller tank than the ZTZ-99) <-- 96/96A used by the PLA in the thousands.
Then, the ZTZ-99 line, which is an entirely new chassis (based on a heavily modified and extremely lengthened T-72 chassis) and only consisting of the Object 99/10 (aka. "Type 98") and the final ZTZ-99, which was produced in two blocks, each with some differences in their armor design. <-- Used by the PLA and about 700 deployed in the elite regiments.
Lastly, there is the new ZTZ-99A, which is a completely new tank, with new chassis and new armor design. Only the "ZTZ-99"-designation it still shares with its predecessor, but everything else is completely different. Albeit not T-14 level of radically different, it is best compared to it because it is a departure of most previous chassis that still had the T-54A as its distant forefather.
Some more VT-4
>>29937080
Thats a pretty good answer mate, screenshotted it for future reference.
But Thailand is and island. How are the tanks getting there?
>>29935512
Shitty tank t b h
>>29937080
Hardest to distinguish for the layman is China's first and 2nd generation of MBT.
For example, what is this tank?
Most would say it is a "T-55 copy", but it's actually not, despite the general shape of the turret.
The best way to see that it is actually a ZTZ-88 is the chassis and gun. Chassis has six smaller roadwheels instead of 5 big ones of the real T-55, and the gun's fume extractor is in the middle, like western guns. Because it is infact the copy of the Royal Ordnance L-7 105mm gun the Chinese acquired from Austria in the 80s, and subsequently upgraded it to this day. The ZTZ-88 here has the rare Type 93 105mm gun, which is extra long in caliber compared to even their longest western originals, to give it some extra-velocity and accuracy. Also, the turret lacks the typical soviet IR floodlight and actually has (western derived again) passive night vision.
They also installed an actual gun stabilizer and integrated laser-range-finder in that thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrL20tO_7S8
>>29937221
Here, another ZTZ-88, but with the shorter Type 83A gun.
This here is called ZTZ-88B and produced in greater numbers than the ZTZ-88A with the Type 93 gun from above. But in general, there are just about 300 ZTZ-88s in service, because the PLA already had the ZTZ-96 and ZTZ-99 waiting down the road at that time and these tanks only fulfilled a stopgap.
>>29935722
Because the Oplot is a piece of shit that will never be delivered on time.
Doesn't Thailand operated Stingrays made by Cadillac Gage?
That's an interesting mix of armor in that region. God I wish they had a large scale war in Asia.
>>29937269
>Dat T-54 turret.
Jesus Christ, this was their MBT in the 1980s...
>>29936751
China and Thailand are strung by the hip and the neck. It isn't the coup that changed things.
As a matter of fact the old government was even more pro-Chinese.
>>29937560
yep.
the only real departure came with the ZTZ-85 series and the new welded turret that would become standard up to the Object 99/10 prototype.
Here, thw ZTZ-85-IIA, which has the newly acquired copy of the 2A46 125mm gun. The ZTZ-85-I still used the 105mm gun.
>>29937615
While the ZTZ-85 line wasnt chosen by the PLA in the end, it served in the Pakistani Armed Forces to this day and also as a basis for the ZTZ-96, which was chosen by the PLA at the end.
>>29937645
Which, in turn, became the ZTZ-96A that is serving in great numbers today.
>>29937615
>>29937645
>>29937652
Based Chink armor autist.
>>29937560
Yeah, and also, China's armor doctrine back then was much like France's: Lots of small and relatively fast glass-cannons that could be used as flanking reserves against the soviet heavy armor divisions after their attacks have been blunted by the masses of entrenched PLA infantry holding the lines or delaying the attacks.
For that reason, they shat on armor protection and instead concentrated on importing and copying western guns, ammo-designs and, most importantly, FCS and stabilization technologies. This made the Chinese 80s tanks kinda like T-55 based cavalry tanks.
>>29936751
>Why shouldn't a third world country like Thailand buy from a cheaper source
>They should give us all of their shekels and we rip them off with non-depleted uranium monkey model exports with sekrit internal killswitches
Thailand should have bought the Netherlands' pristine 2A4 fleet and have RM and KMW upgrade it to their liking. Spare parts wouldn't be horrible as well since Singapore and Indonesia operate the same tank.
>>29937208
Is this picture meant to signify anything?
>>29937221
An upgraded variant of the Type 93 105mm gun is also equipped on the new PLA light tank, btw.
>>29937758
the chassis of this thing is also a radical departure from anything they had before.
not an IFV based, or a lightened T-54A, but a purpose made light tank chassis.
>>29937758
I love that face
>>29937777
Based lucky digits
So, how many modern tamks do they have? Where are they based?
>>29937672
Its nice to read about Chinese equipment without rampant >50cent or >murricaBTFO shitposting.
This stuff is relevant information given current events.
>>29937813
The exact number is not known, and my records are all fucked up by the recent huge military reforms and reorganization, but there are some estimates:
1st tier:
ZTZ-99: 700
ZTZ-99A: at least 200 by now
Exclusively deployed in the Northeast facing North Korea and a few in the North West, facing Central Asia.
2nd tier:
ZTZ-96: 1000
ZTZ-96A: 1500
Basically deployed anywhere in China.
>>29937844
nice rocket powered/base-bleed rounds.
Artillery is one of their traditional strengths.
Friendly reminder that an easy way to tell the ZTZ-96 from the ZTZ-99A is the smoke dischargers.
>>29937880
And the much bulkier and blockier everything.
>>29937737
>Thailand should have bought the Netherlands' pristine 2A4 fleet and have RM and KMW upgrade it to their liking. Spare parts wouldn't be horrible as well since Singapore and Indonesia operate the same tank.
The country's infrastructure can't handle it. For Singapore it makes a lot of sense since their infrastructure is rated for much heavier loads in the first place (consequence of being a major port city but then it carried over to the rest of the country anyways afaik) but in Indonesia the Leopards are only confined in the capital region which I reckon would be very much what Leos would be doing in Thailand.
>>29937879
Wasn't the Chinese sticking some really long 125mm artillery gun in a tank?
I need muh overlords.
>>29935512
Didn't Thailand purchase Ukrainian T-84s?
>>29936751
Why? Being a US ally in the 21st century means granting diplomatic immunity to pro-homosexuality activists and agreeing to allow "NGOs" with opaque links back to the US intel community to agitate for overthrowing your government, and no one actually believes whatever wanker gets elected is actually going to nuke a bunch of brown people on your account.
Impressive
Congratulations to Thailand for fighting the good fight. They will be rewarded as the tank is known to be the best in the world. It has no analogue. A masterpiece of Chinese indigenous engineering.
>>29938423
Yes, then Russian shenanigans curtailed delivery.
>>29937757
Old T-64 engines.
>>29937867
Thanks
>>29937897
Looks like a truly indigenous tank
>>29938658
The false flag posting has begun!
>>29938851
Considering most Chinese tanks will be facing either worse armed enemies, or a ATGM, it's not an issue.
And no. The engine is not an "old T-64 engine".
>>29938671
>back in 2011
lol do Ukrainians blame Russia for everything now?
>>29939681
They are Russians, but worse.
So they blame everyone.
>>29937757
I think he is trying to say its not CARB-compliant, therefore will be illegal to drive in California during Red invasion.
>>29939681
>>29939722
Tell us, what was the schedule for delivery.
