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>"2nd Amendment gives me the ability to defeat the government!"
>>29925741
camel fuckers did a pretty good job
>>29925741
>W-We totally won in Vietnam guys
>We won Iraq too! We completely eradicated those islamic extremists! Anything anyone else says to the contrary is lies!
Anyone can have their own drones. So theoretically, you could arm your drone with anti-drone guns and countermeasures.
>TFW you'll get to fight in a drone war.
>>29925789
Yeah why hasn't ISIS built their own ripoff Reaper?
>Ebay RC wankel engine and prop
>Hobbyking electronics
>Plywood frame by Ahmed the carpenter
Totally doable seeing as it only has to fly a few thousand feet up to where the US drone is and neutralize it possibly suicidally.
>>29925774
This post couldn't scream eurofag any harder. The Iraqis lost. Get over it, Mahmoud and move back home from Germany.
>>29925759
But dat kill/death ratio doe
>>29925845
>8 years of fighting
>Defeated at the First Battle of Fallujah
>4,491 dead
>32,226 wounded
>Puppet state BTFO within a year of leaving by ISIS
Not only did you barely win a fight against one little desert country it is today not even in Western hands anymore.
>>29925848
>Implying the K:D matters for insurgents fighting against a more technologically advanced opponent
It's a group effort Anon. If we actually got to the point where we're fighting the government (assuming there's a large portion that doesn't defect to the side of 'the people') then you do what you can for the sake of freedom.
Every single person killed by the government would be a loss for the government. Being forced fight and kill people you're trying to rule over is a losing battle.
>>29925836
>Totally doable seeing as it only has to fly a few thousand feet up to where the US drone is and neutralize it possibly suicidally.
You know the Reapers operational flight ceiling is 50k right, and it is usually atleast 20-25k right?
>the FAA won't let me be
doesn't have the same ring to it
>>29925924
Yeah but /k/ neckbeards don't have the stomach for a suicidal battle. They all think it's hide out in the woods for a couple weeks with you AR and the government will give up. The only reason why the sand men are doing so well against the West is because of the fanaticism of Islam. Americans used to a comfortable life don't have that.
>>29925939
>Gasoline engine working at 50k feet
Can't fool us infidel scum.
>>29925883
>8 years of fighting
And? Is there a time limit on killing goat-fuckers that I'm not aware of?
>Defeated at the First Battle of Fallujah
That's contested (look it up). And won the Second Battle of Fallujah
>4,491 dead
>32,226 wounded
Have you looked at the other side's numbers? They're way worse.
>Puppet state BTFO within a year of leaving by ISIS
1. Look up what a fucking puppet state is. It's not the same as a propped-up state.
2. The Iraq War and the Iraqi Civil War are two different wars, dumbass.
>>29926050
With a trillion dollar budget 8 years to kill some goat herders is pathetic
You retreated from Fallujah. I saw it on TV it was a defeat.
The Iraq Civil war is washing away everything you fought for there
The burger military is a joke.
>>29926126
>The United States was the only Western country to fight in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan
Every fucking time
>>29926126
>The Iraq Civil war is washing away everything you fought for there
The only thing we fought for was killing Hajjis. There were no WMDs. We got all there was to get: The aforementioned dead Hajjis. And I don't know if you read the news are not, but daesh has been losing badly for almost a whole year now. They were always going to lose. They're fucking retarded.
>it's a "drones will stop an insurrection" thread
>>29926333
Only because Russia got involved
>>29926365
Explain how your fat ass will stop the drone that comes for you once you rise against your government
>>29926126
we knew that going in. its a race of people that are incapable of self-rule.
>>29926757
its easy to lie to a camera, and america is better at it than any other country. there's a reason why our country has hollywood and your country has...?
>>29925952
THICC
>>29925774
>America lost Vietnam
False. America blew the fuck out of the north Vietnamese, they NV sued for a ceasefire because they were losing so bad, America agreed because hippies back home, war stops years pass and America starts to pull troops out and go home. 2 years after all the Americans have left Vietnam the NVA zerg rushes Saigon.
tl;dr America won the war for South Vietnam who promptly crashed the car when given the keys
>>29926817
E-Ealing studios!
>>29925969
It's a turboprop, tho.
>>29926851
No you had to run because pussyhole burgertards couldn't handle the carnage. No president could have stayed in office if that war continued. The American public's will to support the war was broken by the television images. Gooks were just clever and bided their time.
>>29926856
Is it? I thought it was a Wankel.
A war on American soil wouldn't even need guns. Throw a tire against a power/telephone line and set it on fire.
Boom, a week of lost productivity for an entire city block. Not a shot fired.
>>29926757
They were losing even before those drunken kleptos decided to try to distract the world from Ukraine.
>>29925741
>>29925774
>>29925883
>>29926126
>>29926757
>>29926975
>>29926975
>you had to run because pussyhole burgertards couldn't handle the carnage
And if freedom of the press existed in whatever shithole you live in, your country would have the same problem. Mass media has turned everyone into morons.
jesus it smells like a fucking fishing pier in here from all this bait.
so, gun porn thread?
>>29925952
I'ma need sauce on that pic, anon. For freedom.
>>29927316
Do it.
>>29926987
Not the guy you replied to, but does anyone put wankel engines in aircraft? They're ludicrously inefficient and as reliable a chinese electronics from ebay with a life expectancy of 24 minuites before the rotor disintergrates and fucks off out through the exhaust port.
>>29925939
so the targets really are dead before they even know what the fuck is shooting at them?
badass.
>>29927316
my contribution. just bought one of these.
>>29927668
full retard or semi?
either way, fucking badass.
is it the A6 so you can stinger it?
>>29926126
>I sawd it on da tv so its gott be tru!
>>29926851
which is still, summarily, a loss. Achieving a goal and not being able to maintain it does not constitute a victory
>>29926851
>they NV sued for a ceasefire because they were losing so bad
“We bombed the North Vietnamese into accepting our concessions.” - John Negroponte
>>29925741
No, you dense fuck. You're talking about insurrection, that's not a good thing.
>>29925774
Both are examples how you can win every battle and still lose the war.
>>29925789
>>29927072
Wow, that's some amazing delusion you got going on. The situation, as you've described it, would be repaired within 2 hours at the outside.
I'd really like to see how you plan to hoist a tire 50 feet up a power pole to use it to set the lines on fire. There are better, more effective methods, but I guess you want to use the sub-Saharan methods you grew up with.
>>29929627
They can't put it on TV if it's not true. Same for the internet.
>>29925952
i m p r e g n a t e
>>29929824
>win every battle
>lost the very first battle at Ia Drang
>>29925741
The army has tanks n shit.
Funny thing about stuff the army has though. In the event of a civil war a lot of it ends up fighting for the other side.
Both from soldiers and officers defecting and taking their toys with them and from rebels stealing shit.
Serious question, why not do away with rights at all since the government is so powerful?
Not only in the military field, also in the information warfare, infiltration, subversion, etc.
>>29925883
Which is why we shouldn't have left. We were finally in a position of power, with things so calm that Obama and Biden bragged about how it was safe and we were no longer needed. All we had to do was leave a couple of brigades and a wing out at H-3 where nobody would bother them, and remain a silent threat against anybody who would disrupt the peace.
But, no, "I won" thought he was too good for that. Thousands have paid the price for his arrogance, and millions might yet.
>>29926126
First Fallujah ended in a political deal, pressured in part by other nations that blanched at the thought of us clearing out a whole city. We agreed to back off, and the city elders agreed to police any insurgent activity.
As anyone who was paying attention could guess, they lied. And whatever happened behind the scenes diplomatically, I saw no serious pressure when we made it clear that we were going back in and clearing the city block by block.
A lot of insurgents died, and things looked calmer for a while--then, I think it was a few months later(?) when that mosque was blown, kicking of the everybody-vs-everybody phase of the insurgency.
>>29929980
You dont set the line on fire. You set the pole on fire so it has to be replaced.
>>29926757
You need to know where the enemy is to send a drone after them, and in the case of an insurgency in the US, that would be, "literally fucking everywhere," making things difficult to say the least. Most attacks would begin and end long before any kind of drone response could be mobilized.
But for the sake of argument.
>Government gets tipoff that I'm a dissident
>Sends drone to my apartment complex
>Fires missile at my first floor apartment
>That's under a family with three kids
>That's next to an old man and a latino couple
Oh yeah.
That'll go over well for sure.
>>29926975
Blame the post-Watergate Democrats. We had pretty much pulled out by '72, when the NVA invaded and promptly got stomped by our remaining advisors and our airpower.
Three years later, and Congress voted to ignore our responsibilities under the treaty, threw the South under the bus, and then wondered where all the boat people were coming from.
>>29930651
>NVA was already fortified inside South Vietnam as part of the Nixon ceasefire agreement
>Paris Accords made no mention whatsoever of American responsibilities to the South
vietnam revisionist rearguards never cease to amuse me
>>29925741
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>>29925836
Obviously it will be a suicide take out. This is ISIS we're talking about
>>29927398
Some drones use them simply because they are so lightweight
You sound like a butthurt Mazda owner.
>>29925774
>>We won Iraq too! We completely eradicated those islamic extremists!
Goal in Iraq wasn't to eradicate Islamic extremism, it was to remove Hussein. Stupid, fuck.
>>29931566
>Removed Hussein who wasn't a huge threat to the West beyond his ambitions for Kuwait
>Now replaced with ISIS who lives and breathes burning the West to the ground.
Good job burgers
>>29930644
What a splendidly Third World approach. Those poles are treated with fire retardant. The way we prefer to do it is with drunk drivers. It's a lot quicker.
Still about a 2 hour repair time, though.
>>29931566
Are you really that stupid?!
>>29927668
>>29925741
Yeah the government using robots to bomb civilians with massive collateral is totally going to go over well with the media. Good points OP
>>29925848
>K/D mattering in war
I guess the axis won WW2 then, I feel so enlightened
>>29925759
of getting their militaries obliterated, and governments replaced by us, then blowing themselves to pieces when we left?
Yeah... what's your definition of "good", btw?
>>29925774
>>29925845
>>29925883
>>29926050
Please explain to a South Afri/k/an what the main reason for invading Iraq was?
WMD?
Eliminate Saddam?
>>29931572
ISIS isn't have operational missile factories.
>>29933318
Saddam refused to allow UN nuclear inspectors into the factories for the nth time. Bush W finally said "Fuckers. We're already in the shit with middle east terrorism from 9/11, the last thing we need is this sort of bullshit. We warned you before, but this time, we're coming for you, and we're not going to let you off easy this time."
to which, Saddam's sons replied "Your streets will run red with the blood of your wives and children"
and so we went to war.
The shit with the UN weapons inspectors had been boiling for at least 10 years. It wasn't a surprise to anyone.
>>29933351
Yeah I know about that - he was a cunt for going on like that for so long.
And once you discovered that there were no WMD?
Should you have then pulled out?
I'm on the fence with all of this.
Still love you America.
>>29933382
>once you discovered there were no WMD? Should you have pulled out?
That's not how war works, I'm afraid. The threat was "let in the inspectors or we're taking you out" to which he responded negatively.
In the past, he had let in inspectors at the very last minute, and there was no war. This time, he called in the enemy.
>>29933426
I totally get all of that.
I just sit and wonder how things could have been done differently once we discovered that there were no WMD.
Fuck Saddam, regardless.
>>29933318
God told Bush to invade. Whether he believed it or merely used that as an excuse, fuck knows.
So he and Blair went on and on and on about Saddam having WMDs. While the UN inspectors where begging to differ. And then the CIA got this guy who might sorta perhaps know something, and what do you know, enough torture and he turned out to know all about how Saddam was trying to buy fissile material for a nuke! And he's a dictator you know, he's got it coming (please ignore all the other dictator's we're allied with, or how he used to be one of them, or how we gave him his WMD capacity in the first place).
So war it was. Once there, just as the UN inspectors had predicted, no WMD capacity whatsoever was found. Just a case or two of not having cleaned up properly when they gave up on them.
There was also talk of Saddam being cozy with Al Qaeda. Because, you know, the secular guy competing with Saudi Arabia would be just the guy to help out a bunch of Saudi-backed (and often just plain Saudi) religious fundamentalists. This too turned out to be just as much bullshit as everyone expected when the coalition forces got in and had a good look around, ie nothign but.
Suddenly the war wasn't about WMDs any more had never been. Same with the Al Qaeda connection (though AQ did jump at the chance to start an Iraqi branch and start bombing) Liberty, democracy, Operation Iraqi Freedom! Mission Accomplished!
God alone knows how many dead Iraqis
Massive loss of international goodwill
Plenty of dead Americans
Abu Ghraib
ISIS
etc
Oops
Meanwhile, bin Laden was being hidden away by our Pakistani allies.
>>29931558
muh rotary power 50/50 perfect weight ratio race me on the touge
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>>29927316
If drones are the future, how is it an issue? They look cool.
>>29933500
We could have pulled out, and then Iraq would probably be worse off than it is now. Mostly because Saddam would still be in power...but we would have fucked over the whole country. Meaning he would have had to rebuild. And Saddam "rebuilding" means he probably would have been a huge dick, and Iraq would still be a huge mess anyway, but with Saddam still at the helm. Or one of his sons. And all of his sons were about a million times worse than he was.
I don't agree with the war at all in Iraq. But once we went in, we needed to stay in. And Obama pulled us out way, way too early just to appease libtards. But what do you know? He pulled our troops out of Iraq... but sent most of them back to Afghanistan or other shitholes, and brought a few home to show how good of a job he was doing.
tl;dr
If we pulled out, shit would be fucked.
If we didn't pull out, shit would be fucked.
If we never went, OUR shit could have been fucked, even without WMD's, he would have had years and years to aquire more. And with Obama letting fucking IRAN start making nukes freely, he probably would have let Saddam have them to.
Tbh sometimes I wonder at the necessity of the second amendment. Not because I don't think the people should be ready to rise up in the event of a dangerous or tyrannical state or corporate trampling of rights, but because violent revolutions seem to happen just fine in states where the citizens generally aren't armed. I mean, I'm sure Assad didn't allow his people the luxury of gun ownership, and yet they managed to fuck his shit up pretty good. The same goes for Ukraine, or Tunisia where the people managed to overthrow the government without resorting to full scale shootouts with government forces.
>>29933816
Because an armed society is a polite society. Saddam, Assad, Ukraine, etc. HAD to have revolutions because the people in power got away with anything they wished to do. There was no fear that the average dude may start taking pot shots at soldiers, then more average dudes doing the same, and so on.
And Assad wasn't even that bad of a dude, all things considered. Neither was Ghaddafi when compared to others in his place.
Their revolutions all took place because of one reason, and one reason alone though. The average person couldn't really defend themselves. And almost all of those uprisings were funded or at least aided by outside sources (the U.S., Russia. Saudi Arabia.)
Point is, generally "the people" pick a side. And if they side with their government, and have guns, ain't nobody gonna overthrow their nation.
And if they go against their government and have guns. Well, a revolution may never happen because of how scared the government would be. Or it would be way less provocative than every insurrection right now, because it would be way, way less dramatic. And foreign powers wouldn't need to be involved.
>>29934001
The U.S. is firmly under the control of corporate oligarchs, and being the most armed country in the developed world hasn't done jack shit to prevent the erosion of democracy.
>>29934017
But the erosion has been slow, and as time goes on more and more people are starting to realize it. It may never stop being eroded (until, you know, it's gone.) But we're beginning to rile up and stand against it.
That is what guns have done for us. They've made our cuckening a much slower process, and it's giving us a chance to fight back WITHOUT Civil War 2.0.
You're also part of the problem.
>Call ing the U.S. a democracy, and not a constitutional Republic
That's where our troubles started. We started becoming a true Democracy in which the mob truly rules. And the mob is fucking retarded and can be controlled by puppeteers, aka, our corporate overlords.
We have a none-zero chance though, no more than ever, of taking some of our shit back though. All because our ability to up and revolt has made it necessary not to come take all our shit at once.
>>29934065
>That is what guns have done for us. They've made our cuckening a much slower process, and it's giving us a chance to fight back WITHOUT Civil War 2.0.
Guns haven't done jack shit. In fact I would submit that there are largely gun-free countries like Germany or elsewhere in Europe where democracy is more alive and well than in the United States. In such countries there are more barriers between economic elites and public office, more than just two parties, proportional representation instead of the electoral college system, more initiatives to keep wealth in the hands of average citizens etc.
>Shitting on democracy
So if the people aren't controlling the government then its controlled by elites who will inevitably govern in their own interests. If the state operates on the consent of the governed, then the government must be held accountable to the people. Otherwise elites will govern at the expense of the population as they have always tried to do.
As for the issue of the stupidity of the masses the simple solution is to have the population be as educated as possible. Which is why elites are so afraid of making post-secondary education available to everybody, an educated population is a threat to their interests.
