https://www.varusteleka.com/en/news/oh-yes-m05-camouflage-pattern-loses-its-protection/_5732c199
FDF has decided not to renew M05's protection again and it expires in September, and Varusteleka is already preparing for the day, meaning that in less than five months /k/ommandos will be able to buy M05 -clothing. Is this awesome?
Is that an AR CTR stock on an AK? I'm confused.
>>29920107
2 minutes and 17 seconds and the thread is already derailed, well done /k/...
it's a prototype Rk 62M, FDF is modernizing its standard issue rifle Rk 62, design of which dates back to 1960, there are few designs going through trials to see which is the best solution, basically they are adding telescopic stocks, side rails for mounting optics and, possibly, some picatinny rails on handguard.
>>29920090
>>29920177
So no buffer tube, it just accepts non-ak platform furniture?
>>29920221
I think that is the case. Modern stocks are probably best thing that has happened to that rifle as the old tube stocks weren't on barrel line.
back to topic; M05 soon available, how awesome is this?
>>29920524
Pretty awesome, especially as NIR protection will be included on the ones made from official cloth.
Finally get to go back to the woods in the firms clothing without the firm breathing down on my neck. Feels good man.
>>29920221
They probably just took the old stock off and got a buffer tube on it to make use of AR furniture.
T. Someone who has a civvie version of the rk95, can probably answer some questions if you have any
>>29920576
Firm hasn't really done nothing against those who already has the suit. They just didn't like if somebody sold the complete suits in Finland.
I am autistic enough for not to wear M05 or M91 in public. I just doesn't feel right.
>>29920592
I also have the woodland-, frost- and snow suits if someone wants pictures
>>29920601
>he isn't autistic
>he doesn't want to RP a CP7 soldier lost in the woods
>pleab
>>29920602
>tfw I had brand new weekend leave suit and brand new service suit with brand new cap. I was the most fabulous guy in the woods all the time.
Also it is fun looking when one guy in squad has brand new snow suit and others have old worn shit.
The snow camo is sexy
>>29920614
>tfw you get brand new service pants but then you have the baby puke coloured service jacket ;__;
>>29920609
B-but I do go innawoods to jump around with a stick imagining it being a rifle in my comfy flecktarn. Add backpack and you are ready to go.
>>29920632
Life hating no motivation workers in supply at least gave matching pants and jacket. Except the one old faggot at the end of the line.
>>29920632
>tfw your batch is the last one in the regiment to use M91 innawoods & a guy in your platoon gets brand-new M91 for innawoods, brand-new service M05 & sighly used parade/leave M05
>and because there's that fuckin' button on the sleeve pocket & right side pocket in service uniform he has sharper-looking uniforms for everyday use than he has for times he'd like to look sharp
military logic...
>>29920618
>dat white face paint
It's like an army of Klaus Nomi's.
>>29920651
Well if you atleast run around with a stick then it's okay.
>>29920651
>Except the one old faggot at the end of the line.
"final boss"?
>>29920673
Yes always the grumpiest and oldest of the workers who literally spits on your clothes when she hands them to you.
>T-t-thanks ;__;
>>29920673
Yes in Vekaranjärvi, bloody cunt gave me always wrong sized clothing so we always had to ask twice for proper size.
Best service I ever got was in Hamina, nothing bad to say about them.
>>29920687
>there is no size difference between 750 and 850
>B-but the 850 has longer sleeves
>no t. grumpy ass old man
and next you walking in a jacket with 6 cm too long sleeves
>>29920687
so nothing new @veikkauspiste
>>29920090
Looks sharp. Will it be available in burger land?
>>29920702
yes if you order them from varusteleka in bulk to sell them in burger land
>>29920666
Satan, why is there a squad of potato Finns in your army?
>>29920701
Why is there an American in your army?
>>29920701
Me on the right.
>>29920713
Potatoes are humons too, so if they want to "experience" conscription they have an option.
ps. I have no idea what they do there though.
>>29920709
Noice...
>>29920699
Been there, done that. When I got my brand new stuff from there he wasn't there and it was literally 5 guys from my unit so we had time to ask for good stuff.
In the end I had super filthy service uniform as it was comfy as fuck.
>>29920713
Some special introducing day for special people. Back in the day more lunatics and special people got through the service, but gladly nowadays not anymore.
>>29920720
probably first-gen Finnish-American who has dual-citizenship and for some reason wanted to serve in Finnish Army...
>>29920724
>TFW they're exceptionally bad ass.
>>29920728
That glorious feeling you have, when you get to give back same uniform you got on the 1st day. The dudes face when it's a bit dirty.
>>29920740
Exercise has been a success when whole platoon looks like group of gypsies with their equipment.
>>29920755
no gypsy is complete without a Mercedes-Benz station wagon, or "Mannelavetti", FDF doesn't have those, only some trucks and light utility vehicles as ambulances and radio vehicles etc.
>>29920768
Does always mismatched trucks and old radio mercedes count?
>>29920773
I guess
Welp, /ak/'s finally gonna get their sako
>>29920918
???
>>29920090
>Is this awesome?
no
>>29920090
>Is this awesome?
Yes!
>>29920090
>Is this awesome?
Maybe.
also holy shit op stop samefagging itt
>>29920986
>samefagging
??? explain
>>29920999
>46 replies
>14 posters
>>29921011
which I posted like 1/4 of them all
t.different
>>29921011
12 comments by me (including original post), four of which are answers to questions, one asks that we get back on-topic, four are replies to three different topic-related discussions, one is question to you, another is question to someone else, the 12th is the original post, this is my 13th comment.
>>29921058
finns are too honest to samefag
>>29920918
Sako = rifle
M05 = camouflage pattern
>>29921070
It's true. But it isn't samefagging when four people are legitimately having a discussion. Samefagging is when someone is acting like two different people in a discussion, especially an argument. The idea of samegfagging is to appear to be two or more different people.
>>29920918
>>29921184
plus the rifle in the picture might not even be a Sako, it might very well be a Valmet (I know, Sako bought Valmet Tourula aka VKT (Valtion Kivääritehdas) in '80s, but the rifle might be a refinished Valmet/one that was never issued before being chosen for the trials phase of the modernization program)
>>29920524
>M05
I wonder if it works well in a tropical environment forest and field like El Yunque or the grazing fields of Juncos
>>29920090
For a second, I read the rk95 was going to be commercially available and got sad
>>29922467
iirc the machines that made Sakos and Valmets are either sold or in some warehouse gathering dust. Some of the machining was sold to Jews to make Galils.
>>29922522
I don't even like rk95's and 62's that much but damn do I wish someone would buy the tooling and make rks in the us.
>>29922530
They are literally milled AKs with non chrome barrel. Add autistic sub MOA quality control and presto you have a pretty accurate rifle.
And expensive rifle
>>29920090
> Dick Status
> "Muh"
>>29922547
When in priduction the civilian version of Rk95 known as M92s was sold for about 700 usd in todays money. Not that expensive for sub-moa.
And the reason for not chrome lining the barrel was the sub-moa accuracy requirement.
>>29924956
Nah. The reason was that there wasn't the know-how to do so. I know a guy. Granted, non-lined barrels are marginally more accurate, but considering that RK is a weapon used almost exclusively by conscripts, lined barrels would be a more sensible and durable option, as the slight accuracy boost would be totally lost because individual marksmanship abilities are adequate at best.
>>29924956
>sub-MOA
doubt.jpg.exe.tiff
1-1½, sure, but consistent sub-MOA? Proofs where?
>>29925132
It is in Finnish books regarding the rifle, but basically autistic quality control, non chrome barrel and good Sako ammunition is a key.
>>29925147
Show me the proofs.
>>29925152
Can't give you the source now as I do not have my book at hand currently. So you have to believe a word of a stranger in internet in this case, because what would I get from lying to you?
If another Finn can lend me a hand in this and either prove me wrong or right.
>>29924956
>That professional soldier being schooled by an autistic teen at the end of his service
kek
>>29925255
>Can't give you the source now as I do not have my book at hand currently.
I thought so.
>because what would I get from lying to you?
Some weird feeling of patriotism, maybe.
>If another Finn can lend me a hand in this and either prove me wrong or right.
I'm proving you wrong. Sub-MOA is midrange bolt gun territory, and AK design doesn't lend itself well to precision. I'll take 1MOA tops, but beyond that you're going to be very hard pressed to produce proof.
Pic related, not subMOA.
>>29925303
Alright, from this day forward I will be calling them 1 MOA, on a good day, rifles.
>>29925152
Shot from 165 yards.
I'm no pro and I shot for the first time that summer but I'm pretty sure RK can do sub-MOA stack.
>>29925329
>1 MOA, on a good day, rifles.
You see, the thing about MOA is that you have to produce it consistently. If you manage to hit MOA once every couple of days and the other times it's 1½, you have a 1½ MOA rifle, not a 1MOA one. Don't misunderstand, because 1½ is still really impressive, but by exaggerating the capabilities you're only doing it disservice.
>>29925336
165 yards and a 3" or so group? That's around 2MOA. 100yd and 1" group = 1 MOA. 150yd and 1.5" group=1 MOA.
>>29925377
>165 yards and a 3" or so group
Yeah but I'm sure pro could shoot better.
As you can see everytime I adjusted my stance/positioning shots moved.
>>29925438
I'm sure, but all I'm seeing is a bad group. You'll have to do better to convince me.
>people finally get an RK
>groups average around 2 MOA
>this meme about DA BEST AK EVA can finally fucking die
>>29925461
A couple of things. First, M05 is a camouflage pattern and not a rifle. Second, I'm the guy who's arguing those two ignorant finns, and my Sako averages out at 1½ MOA which is pretty impressive for a service rifle.
So to summarise, you seem illiterate and/or slightly retarded.
>>29925721
But down the bottle my friend, its thursday.
>>29925756
Actually, it's 57 minutes into friday.
>>29925721
>Sako averages out at 1½ MOA which is pretty impressive for a service rifle.
that shit gets beaten out or matched by any AR or 5.45 AK...
>>29925778
Issued M4 and M16 accuracy is around 3MOA I believe.
> 5.45 AK
Yeeeaaah, sure.
>>29925801
That's practical accuracy, if you want I can post some sub-MOA groups from my milspec AR.
>Yeeeaaah, sure.
Are you really going to deny a 1.5 MOA 5.45 AK doesn't exist? This won't go well for you...
>>29925958
Go on then, show me the issued AR that ticks a sub-MOA group.
>Are you really going to deny a 1.5 MOA 5.45 AK doesn't exist?
I've never heard of one. But if one does exist, it sure as fuck won't be issued.
>>29925973
Don't take this the wrong way dude, but you're pretty out of touch....
As for the AK, here's a vid of a 7.62x39 achieving ~1.5 MOA.
The Sako really isn't that stellar dude, sorry.
>>29925973
> show me the issued AR that ticks a sub-MOA group.
What do I win? :^
>>29926053
>>29926035
Are those issued rifles, and are the groups consistent?
>>29926053
What ammo?
![WP_20160331_007[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dnALihl.jpg "WP_20160331_007[1].jpg")
>>29926063
>Are those issued rifles
I dunno, was the A1 issued?
>>29926067
Wolf Gold 55 gr. FMJ.
>>29926063
The FN-15 is a carbon copy of the M16-A2, so, yeah.
Arsenal also makes their AKs to spec for their military orders.
>>29926092
That's an a1 lookalike not an actual issued milspec rifle.
Remember there is more to milspec than just meeting the blueprint specs.
>>29926092
So I guess you managed to get that one specimen that consistently does .6 MOA when everyone else's rifle is struggling to produce 3" groups at 100 yards. Congratulations I guess.
>>29926110
Carbon copy != issued. Tighter tolerances translate to higher costs, and issued rifles are going to see every cost cutting measure applied.
I'm fairly sure only the Swiss are so autistic that they demand sub MOA accuracy of their service rifles.
>>29926147
>20" pencil profile 1:12 twist CL'd barrel
>Every component is either military surplus or milspec
>B-but dat not a REAL A1...
You're reaching, don't say retarded shit like issue ARs only being capable of 3 MOA and you won't have to do this song and dance.
>>29926151
>when everyone else's rifle is struggling to produce 3" groups at 100 yards
Holy shit, you really have to justify your precious rifle, huh?
>>29926192
That's what the M4 and M16 are rated at, mr. tripcunt.
>>29926151
I've posted my proof, all you're doing is moving goalposts and insisting you're right.
I don't have time for this, sorry.
>>29926214
I literally said "issued rifle".
>is·sue
>ˈiSHo͞o/
>verb
>past tense: issued; past participle: issued
>1.
>supply or distribute (something).
>"licenses were issued indiscriminately to any company"
>synonyms: supply, provide, furnish, arm, equip, fit out, rig out
You failed to produce what I asked. So, bye.
>>29926197
You're right, the M4 and M16A4/A2 are only mechanically capable of 3 MOA and I -only- just so happen to have the one, solitary example of an issued-spec AR being capable of sub-MOA groupings. And you just so managed to encounter it on 4chan of all places. Enjoy your snowflake rifle, I guess, sounds like you have a lot invested into it emotionally. :^
>>29926242
So you're illiterate or shitposting. Well, congratulations on ending up on yet another filter list. Bye.
>>29926253
Toodles, I'll miss your shitty attempts at salvaging your awful arguments. :^
>>29925303
Is this the manual?
>https://web.archive.org/web/20160303045704/http://www.puolustusvoimat.fi/wcm/07dcd3004cbfe4a19ff7bf71ede40db3/Kevytasekasikirja_netti.pdf?MOD=AJPERES
>>29926197
>rated at
Don't think you know what that entails boyo, you're comparing practical accuracy to inherent accuracy which are two very different things
Issued ARs are expected to meet a 3 MOA MINIMUM capability. As in that's the absolute max they're allowed to deviate in group spread. You're a fucking idiot if you think that's all they're capable of
awesome more milsurp fags who insist on buying phased out camos.
>>29926315
Most sources I looked at put the M16's accuracy at around 4.3 inches at 100m.
Even if we say that every rifle is going to beat 3MOA, it's unlikely that we'll be seeing specimens that produce consistent subMOA results.
>>29926305
I'm not seeing anything about accuracy on that manual.
>>29926334
>Most sources I looked at put the M16's accuracy at around 4.3 inches at 100m.
Holy shit, no. An M-16 isn't going to have less inherent accuracy than a fucking AK. Are you high? Look at the results from fucking service competitions, 3 MOA is easily and repeatedly beaten by servicemen with their service ARs. Where are you getting this shit from?
>>29926353
For an issued AK, I'm seeing even larger figures, so calm your tits.
>>29926092
>Wolf Gold 55 gr. FMJ
That ain't Federal brah.
>>29926358
Your sources are retarded.
>>29926348
I don't speak Mongolian Elf, so I wouldn't know if that's the referred field manual that Finn was speaking about
>>29926380
I do, and I don't think so, because that manual doesn't have anything relating to accuracy of the rifles.
>>29926362
Like Jerry Miculek?
>>29920720
Because they wanted someone with combat experience
>>29926319
>phased out
Nope. It will be in use for decades.
>mfw this hole thread
WEW LADS
>>29928003
Yay, another useless new tripshit.
>>29928343
I ain't new baby
>>29920730
damn, this was almost me
so close to being a walking meme
decided against it though since I don't speak Finnish so I'd be useless
>>29925259
well the Finnish corporal has probably served longer than that 'murican PFC
>>29925147
>good Sako ammunition is a key
Lapua ammunition, never once seen even one round of 7.62x39mm M43 stamped "SAKO", every single one I have fired has been stamped with either VPT or Lapua.
>>29923863
That picture seems, distorted in a way?
Is it truly distorted somehow? Messy pixels or some shit?
Or am I just experiencing severe psychosis?
>On topic for thread
>I'll Buy this shit ASAP
Varusteleka is the shit, they sell Mil-Tec cheapy plates nowadays too, 400€ total for front&back NIJ IV plates.
200€ each
>>29930460
Just low quality anon, there is nothing to worry about, trust me
>>29923863
lol mataback
>>29930460
yeah I was surprised when I saw the plates on the front page
>>29924956
I'm drying to decide are those two more confused of the instructions or finnish accent
>>29920090
The optic is so high the stock is just there to give you something to rest your chin on.
>>29928604
There's a unit which requires everyone to speak English at a fluent level and at some point the training is partly in English.
>>29931597
>'murican going to Säkylä to join SKVJ (Finnish international forces, basically "peacekeeping school")
>signs the paper that he's available for a rotation in an operation
>gets called up, accepts
>deploys to Afghanistan
>everyone there confus
>>29931575
How about now?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miymVzEpjR8
>>29932773
Only slightly more cheek comfort than pic related, but it's an improvement.
>>29931597
yeah but if at any point it's in finnish, i'll have literally no idea what's going on. i would just be a hassle for everyone
