Are lever actions obsolete?
Yes.
Since, like, 1910.
fuck u imma cowboy
Most certainly. Still kind of want one though.
>>29914422
Until someone makes a mag fed 45-70 that doesn't have a crank on it, nope
>>29914422
Not really if you get one in .454 casull
lever action is a bolt action for horseback
>>29914422
Yes, but that doesn't mean they can't still be fun and useful. Just don't try to fight a war with them and you'll be fine.
>>29914454
You mean like all those Siamese Mausers that were rebarreled for .45-70 because the original Thai ammo is unobtainium?
They are light, small, quick to shoot and you cant loose a magazine or anything. Good gun to just have with you and shoot at stuff that is not actively firing back.
>>29914422
They've got their place. Good truck guns. I've got a Marlin 336Y that I use as a durr/brush gun. .30-30 is plenty enough for most big game in North America, don't have to worry about the weight of or losing a magazine and I like the irons.
Why did the lever action get phased out for bolt actions?
Aren't Lever actions lighter, and can fire considerably faster?
>>29914638
Simpler and stronger.
>>29914638
Levers are better for mounted units. Bolts are for ground troops.
Hard to use a lever action when you're prone.
>>29914650
I see
Can you get lever actions in rifle calibers?
>>29914661
yeah, some.
30-30, 45-70, and .308 are the most notable
>>29914661
It's difficult because Spitzer rounds and tube mags don't mix so well...
>>29914422
Define obsolete.
You can still buy them.
You can get ammo readily for most of them.
They still go bang in rapid succession and kill things.
If by obsolete, you mean not made of plastic, Mossberg's got you covered.
>>29914661
Occasionally but tube magazine designs mean you can't use spitzer style bullets without risking a magazine detonation.
The Browning BLR is a notable exception as it uses a more conventional box magazine design and Hornady makes some spitzer style bullets with polymer tips that can be used in tube magazines
Mossberg doesn't seem to think so OP, they made the 464 spx
>>29914422
Obsolete for fighting, IMO. But one of the suppressor companies had some lever action SBR in .357 mag with a can on it that really tickled me. With subs, it's super quiet like a bolt gun, still cycles subs like a bolt gun, but with a short-throw kit on the rifle you can shoot that thing damn fast like cowboy action shooters do.
>>29914687
Argh fuck, ninja'd me>>29914722
>>29914730
I can see that being a neat stealth weapon, especially if you cut it down to a mare's leg.
>>29914684
Basically this is the only reason lever actions have lost their place to bolts. Spitzers + tube feed = kaboom if shaken/dropped.
Want to get a lever action in .44mag or .45-70 just for fun and possibly for deer hunting. Also plan on getting a .44mag revolver eventually. Which lever action should I go for?
>>29914688
I have a 336 in .35. Those Hornady rounds are nice, and cycle flawlessly through it. The only downside is that I lose one round of capacity.
>>29914422
nope. lever action is like revolver.....there will always be a use for them.
>>29914684
>>29914688
>>29914782
http://m.imgur.com/a/Umfdf#
Welcome to the modern age of polymer tipped ammo, nitro and primers that aren't set off by shifts in the wind
>>29915234
Old marlin, pre safety
Are memes obsolete?
>>29914495
what
i want to know more
>>29915471
Chamber a new round prone while keeping sights on the target. Fit ten rifle cartridges end to end in a tube mag.
A .45-70 lever gun is still the best thing around for keeping grizzlies or polar bears from eating your face.
>>29915869
sounds like you dont have a sharps .45-120
>>29915906
Isn't that typically a single shot break action? .45-70 leverguns come in 4+1 tube mags.
>>29915867
And what the fuck does that have to do with spitzers exactly?
Also not my fault if you can roll a rifle
>There isn't a box fed .45-70 repeater yet
>>29915869
Eh, that's debatable. Best easily accessible and proven option for sure, but there are some combinations that could give it a run
>>29914688
>>29914679
>>29914661
SAVAGE MODEL 99
ITS BEEN AROUND SINCE THE LATE 1800S
GODDAMN
>>29914422
For war?
yeah.
I do wish though that somebody makes a high quality serious reproduction of the top stripper clip loaded box magazine lever action rifles from Winchester made on contract for the Russian army, but made in a variety of calibers, from historical 7.622x54r but also 30-06 for north American hunters.
Recently Henry Repeating Arms announced a box fed side ejecting lever action in common hunting calibers, but it's got no iron sights and set up for optics for deer hunting...close but not close enough.
>>29914638
Bolt actions at the time could fire heavier and hotter loaded full size rifle rounds, while at the time lever actions were mostly pistol caliber and could not handle large bore rifle rounds.
Also a bolt action is easier to use prone.
The problem is when rifle power box fed lever actions were created, there were already too late to the game as most armies around the world used bolt guns and the only marginally successful stories we hear about was the small batch used by the Russians in WW1
>>29914687
Man, it sucks that the only good quality lever action these days is Henry, but they use the old fashioned replaceable tube from the muzzle instead of a side loader magazine permanently attached.
I'd buy a marlin...but ever since they got bought by Remington...
>>29914422
Short answer: yes.
Full answer: obsolete doesn't mean useless. there are certainly better options than a lever action for.... well for everything... but that doesn't mean lever actions are complete shit. It's still a rifle that goes bang makes stuff have holes in it, and it can hold lots of bullets. lever actions today are just as good as they ever were..... there are better options.... kinda like a 19111. obsolete as fuck but it's still a great gun, it didn't suddenly start sucking because glocks came out. better options... but still good.
>did I repeat myself enough?
>>29916361
Success story is an interesting term, considering the Russians didn't like them at all, and gave many of them away to the Spanish communists.
>>29916400
The recent production Marlins look decent to me, though not nearly as nice as Henrys (USA), Brownings, or Winchesters (Miroku, Japan).
>>29916400
Uberti makes great lever actions
>>29914422
technically yes, but it didn't stop me from owning two. They're fun and they look cool.
>>29916404
Can you explain it in a less unexplainable manner?
>>29916082
>no .45-70 AR yet
One day General Custer, one day.
>>29916406
>considering the Russians didn't like them at all
Bullshit. They gave them away because they were foreign produced non-standard rifles with no domestic support to maintain them.
NO
My first arm (bought for myself) was a 336, fun as fuck, awesome once I started loading my own hot rounds. One of these days I want a Mare's Leg.
>>29916314
>recently Henry Repeating Arms announced a box fed side ejecting lever action in common hunting calibers
Do fucking want!!!
>>29916857
>rimmed ammo in an AR
Nope. Why not just use something that works instead of trying to cram every round into an AR?
>>29914638
Bolt actions are cheaper and easier to manufacture.
>>29916857
https://nemoarms.com/biggest-ar-ever-nemo-omen-458-winchester-magnum/
Close enough. Besides Custer was a fag that couldent be bothered to bring gatlings guns
>>29916857
>45-70 AR
Be still my red white and blue cock https://youtu.be/TTwuYxGMPPM
>>29914422
No, only cowboys are obsolete.
>>29914661
nowadays, yes. bear in mind though, that repeating rifle caliber lever guns post-date repeating bolt guns, and are excessively mechanically complex when compared to pistol caliber lever guns.
>>29914422
No weapon that fires a currently manufactured round is obsolete.
>>29914422
depends on the context, they work fine for hunting and somewhat sub optimally for personal defense but they can hold their own still
>>29915234
I just bought a Rossi in .44 mag, so far so good. I have more shooting to do with it but so far I like it.
>>29918052
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=16453&osCsid=hffefun0rju7kutn8bv7klie20
>>29915863
The kingdom of Siam which is now known as Thailand bought a ton of Mausers back in 1903.
They had developed their own propitiatory 8x50mm round for it which was a very odd rimmed cartridge.
The Mauser company was more than happy to work with the Siamese, and and modified the Mauser 98 action to work with the rimmed cartridge.
A bunch of the rifles eventually made it out to the US surplus market the ammo however did not.
The now the Americans being Americans didn't just use the rifles as wall decorations, they set about making them work with more easily available cartridges.
They realized the the bolt head and extractor were perfectly sized for .45-70 and that round could be made to work in the magazine.
So a lot (if not most) of the Siamese Mausers you see today are rebarreled for .45-70 government.
On a side-note it was discovered by handloaders that these rifles were/are retard strong, and will handle brutal .45-70 loads with ease.
Loading .45-70 to such pressure makes it a very respectable cartridge, on par with a lot of African big game cartridges.
The only .45-70 guns that are stronger are those insanely overbuilt single-shots like the Ruger No 1.
You can hunt anything on earth with a good .45-70. Pic related. There's a reason the main character in Jurassic World had a guide gun. No idea why he didn't just blast the I-Rex.
You can even reload your spent shells innawoods.
http://youtu.be/3duhNVjAu6E
Yes
>>29914422
I could imagine having some fun with leverguns and suppressors.
I couldn't be too hard to load .357/.44/.45-70 with huge ass heavy subsonic boolets for quiet dakka
>tfw when i might someday shoot slow 600 grain .45-70 out of a suppressed levergun
>>29918975
Fuck it, why not 1000gr boolets?
>>29918991
Or multiple projectile. One shot is like firing all cylinders on a fully loaded .45 lc at once.
>>29915294
except mechanically. lever actions are not more simple mechanically than bolt actions
Aren't lever guns pretty much the go-to Australian weapon due to their insane gun laws?
>>29915930
Not the 1895 CB
>>29915906
My father in law has an original with a matching brass scope. Jesus that's an amazing gun.
>>29919252
Oh.
My.
Fuck.
Need.
>>29919346
Yup
They're being looked at as 'semi auto style rapid fire weapons' since the Adler came out
They seem to believe it's brand new tech, designed to circumvent our laws, since we banned semi auto and pump action shotties. Even though the law SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS lever action firearms
It's like if a country bans alcohol, then starts a campaign investigating non alcoholic root and ginger beers to be banned for 'attempting to use a legal loophole'
But fuck yeah lever actions
>>29916082
>There isn't a box fed .45-70 repeater yet
The .450 Bushmaster duplicates the ballistics of the .45-70 and in Michigan, the round counts as a “handgun” cartridge and thus can be used for deer hunting in the southern part of the state, that’s normally limited to handguns and shoguns.
>>29914638
The more rounds you fire with a lever gat the more the center of gravity shifts. It makes follow up shots in any position other then the heavily supported prone wonky.
Like the other anon said, only good if you're shooting at something that isn't shooting back.
>>29919252
now who said project SALVO is dead?
>>29919252
>"for rifle use only"
>>29916857
You do know that the .45-70 despite it's initial power rapidly looses it over distance. It is to say a .308 at 600 meters is more powerful than a .45-70 at 400 meters.
>>29915882
>Cortu-chan, why is Borowningu-chan so tsundere?!
>>29914684
Isn't that why Winchester made lever-actions with box mags?
>>29915866
THAT'S A REALLY NEAT THING RIGHT THURR
>>29918014
SAVE A HORSE, RIDE A NIGGER DICK!!
>>29914454
Well, here's a video on Youtube of a gunsmith converting a nugget to .45-70 Gubmint.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IekTNJDHGB8
>>29918975
>>29918991
Have you guys ever fired a 500 grainer out of, say, a Ruger No. 1? Because if you had, you'd realize that these are bad ideas.
>>29919252
>>29919574
Velocity: 450fps
Pattern at 10ft: 8 inches
ok man. Good luck with that.
>>29919252
Six inches of penetration at ten feet.
hahahahahahahaha no
>>29920544
I shoot 430 grain 45-70 at 1700fps all day out of my marlin.
>>29918775
That would have made the movie about ten minutes long and robbed us of the kaiju fight scene at the end.
>>29914638
Lever action are more complex and unreliable especially with non-tube mags. Tube mags don't work with pointy bullets.
>>29918775
Just watched the movie. He put several rounds into the beastie. Just pissed it off. If Hollywood says so, it must be true.
>>29917842
You can get an M1 in .458 Winchester Magnum. Capacity is six rounds, though.
>>29921647
>>29914688
>>29918975
Or you know use .38spl/.44spl and cold loaded 45-70. Why waste lead when you could just use less powder
>>29919319
What is it will /k/ not knowing how discussions work. Stay on track, Jim.
>>29919635
Partially true. The .450 is limited by bolt strength and OAL. so the ballistics are like low level. 45-70. .45Raptor does better, but atbthe cost of a bigger gun
>>29919647
>grasping
>>29919776
Well, no shit?
Any other thrilling revelations?
>>29921647
Guns designed for tube mags are less reliable when they are hacked up my smiths to make them box fed.
Guns designed with box/rotary mags are fine.
>Muh more complex :((((
Most lever actions, especially marlin ones, you can hold all the moving parts of the gun in one hand. They are not complicated affairs.
God you are dumb. I know for a fact bolt actions are more practical for most applications, but there is no reason to shit on levers because you can't afford one and/or don't understand them.
>>29914422
no, its a rifle that shoots bullets, it is not obsolete
>>29914456
fuck
>there was .454 lever action in local LGS one time
>wonder if I should buy it
>decide to just get ammo this time
>next time I'm in the shop it's not there anymore
>>29919346
As far as shotguns go yeh, they banned semis and pumps. Bolt action shotguns aren't overly uncommon either, considering no one has made one for decades.
Though we can still get pump rifles though.
Pic related, my lever shotguns, will have a third one in a couple of weeks when my Pardus comes in.
Killed my first deer with a lever action 30-30.
Bastard turned out to be a spike buck and I had to go talk to the fucking forest service.
They let my dumbass 15 year old self off, 7/10, nice ranger would turn self in again
>>29922275
>you can hold all the moving parts of the gun in one hand
and? that's not an indicator of simplicity
>>29916400
>>29916400
What's wrong with remi?
I'm looking at a hamd gun by them and don't want to baddly regret it latter.
>>29914422
When horses are no more. Then they'll be obsolete.
>>29914422
Yes, but they're still effective.
>>29923269
Turks are making a bolt-action shotgun now, basically its a semi-auto with the spring and shit removed and a flat turn-bolt handle that rides in the semi-auto's handle slot.
>>29923269
Savage currently makes a couple models of bolt action shotguns, but they're rifled barrel dedicated slug guns
>>29915869
.50 beowulf exists and it pretty much replicates 45-70 ballistics in an AR platform. All you need is an upper and all your mags still work.
>>29914422
Since the invention of the first cock on open box magazine fed bolt action, yes.
>>29914422
>lever actions obsolete
Fill your hands!
You sonofabitch!
>>29921838
That is pure sex
A lever action is fine too
Guns are only ever obsolete when they stop functioning.
I can still kill a man with a lever-action, can't I?
>>29923269
I hope I haven't made a huge mistake buying an Adler instead of a Pardus
>>29914782
>>29914477
Unless you're fighting a war with the 1895 7.62 x 54R version
