First, for the most powerful and glorious air force in the world.

>>29910767
>>29909239

thanks for this, man. really appreciate it, this boosted my confidence a lot

>>29909239
>28 minute mile
I don't mean to be an ass, but did you fucking walk it?

>>29911292
>2 mile

>>29911299
i remember kids in high school getting 15-16 minute mile times
>yes, they stopped or walked a few times

Asked in the last thread but didn't get an answer: what's the chance of getting the job you want in the AF? Would I be better off going army if job is very important to me.

>>29911394

When you're applying for a specific job it is 100%.

Has anyone done the Simultaneous Membership Program for Army ROTC? Did it help at all? I start at GSU in the fall. Any advice would be nice.

Are there any 74As here? If so what's it like?

Is NovemberRain dead or something? he hasn't stopped by in months it seems.
>NSA must have v& him

>>29910767
>Applying for a top secret security clearance when I was prescribed migraine medication a couple years ago
Are they going to fuck my shit up before or after basic training?

Asked a while ago but no one seemed to know then,

Does anyone know around how long secret security clearances are taking right now? Not TS, just secret. I want to get my ship date moved up but I can't until it's adjudicated

>>29911805
that all depends on you
>how old
>how many places you've lived
>how many jobs you've had
>if you have tickets or charges
>credit score

shit like that. for TS, it's between 6-9 months, so expect much less than that

>>29911556
That wasn't my primary MOS but I went through the CBRN course and worked with my batt Chem officer and NCOs as a company CBRN guy. What do you want to know exactly?

>>29911556
lots of cute, dumb black chicks that are kind of slutty. enjoy! use protection!

Any advice and tips about ft. Benning ship out in 3 weeks what should I expect

>>29911805

I just got granted an interim secret within eight days of coming into my new organization.

They're telling me a couple months for the thing to go through. Do they have non-dod kids joining the military do eqips or are you writing on paper?

>>29912120
It's just forms on nasis and some stuff on paper. Though they won't do anything until it's actually adjudicated so I was just wondering if anyone had one done recently.

Anyone know what's the deal with meritorious promotions? I got promoted to E-4 in school contingent upon my next commands' approval (I believe), but I have been hearing different things.

>>29911976
What is your daily job like? Are the officers put in infantry units or is it super specialized?

On the way to meps now. Anything I should know about 19 D I should know before I sign

>>29912665
There are very few chemical units in the army, you will most likely be attached to a battalion (I'm aviation). As far as day to day stuff actually dealing with your job goes, I've fit and tested all my soldiers, supervised gas chambers, endured maintenance and inspection of the equipment and trained guys on how to use everything from agent detectors to radiometers and Decon kits

>>29912756
Yeah, the cavalry is gay

afrotc vs nrotc?

>>29912904
The fuck you wanna do?

>Perfect vision
>High 90s on ASVAB
>In DEP for Air FORCE
>Going in with a job as either aircraft mech or avionics

How likely is it that I can switch my asfc to EOD Tech after I get my licensing? How soon can I get licensed? I'm doing this so I can work with the airlines when I get out, which is my main goal, but I'd love to learn EOD to help people.

>>29912995

You're allowed the possibility to retrain after three years if I remember correctly.

Good luck with that, it doesn't happen often. Good luck with finding an aircraft mech job upon separation as well; they pay shitty and unless you live in socal or texas you aren't going to be finding a job.

>>29913089
>3 years

I thought it was 2, but 3 sounds more familiar. How do they really expect you to do this, though? By the time you're done training, you don't have too much time to do your job anyway.

I guess I could give it a shot.

>can you walk into a recruiting depot without calling beforehand?
>do you have to be in weight requirements when you see a recruiter?
usmc btw

>>29913214
Yes
No

>>29913180

You have to sign another service obligation when your approval to retrain comes through. They aren't going to train you for two jobs and then just let you go.

>>29913214

>can you walk into a recruiting depot without calling beforehand?

Depends on the current fpcon. The short answer is no with a "but..."

>do you have to be in weight requirements when you see a recruiter?

No

>>29913214
>>can you walk into a recruiting depot without calling beforehand?
Kek, there was some veteran (maybe, he could have just been a psycho) who patrolled the outside of my recruiter's office after that Muslim in Tennessee shot up the recruiting office. Waving Gadsden flags and shit, the offices got shut down after that to anyone who didn't make an appointment.

Just call before, desu

>>29913089
depending on the aircraft, he can make great money upon separation. you think Lockheed has entry-level maintenance positions? they want people who have worked on their shit before

>>29913214
Yes you can just walk in
No you don't need to be physically ready

Any possibility of getting deployed to Afghanistan as an aircraft mechanic or avionics guy, or is that just Turkey?

Where's the most dangerous place they could send me in that job? Recruiter told me it's impossible they'd send me to Afghanistan, but I don't trust him.

>>29913450
What branch? Army crew chiefs definitely go to Afghanistan and on my last tour we lost a bunch of guys.

>>29913456
Air Force. I'd actually want to go to Afghanistan, or one of the more dangerous areas over there for a short while. They told me my biggest possibility is a base just inside the Turkey-Syria border.

>>29913450
And I'm sorry about your loss, man.

>>29913456
Sorry, wrong reply.
>>29913503

>>29913288

So, having worked for Lockheed, being a current acqdemo, and still having access to internal postings I can say that no, there are no entry level positions.

I'd also like to say that I didn't even imply that there were, I feel that was pretty explicit. I see the aircraft they work with on a daily basis at the socal plants and I am telling you the obvious truth that some of what enlisted military work on are the same things that they're looking for mechanics to fill slots.

My point is that there are tens of thousands of people across the country going for like six jobs at any given time. So again I'll say good luck with that.

Anyone do ARNG 19D? Looks like it could be good for a weekend warrior going thru college

>>29911299
Still, you should be able to walk 2 miles in less than 28 minutes. You should be able to walk 2 miles in 20, at least.

>>29911292
>>29911299
>>29911323
>>29913607
Thats insanely bad. At most your 2 mile time should be 16mins. At the very worst, ideally 12 mins.

>>29913450

Yep

You'll be on Kandahar so you won't be in any actual danger, but you'll be able to lie to people about it so they will think you are cool.

They may still be doing stuff out of salerno again these days as well. Nothing happens there though.

Posting in every /meg/.
11x contract leaving for basic at Benning in late August. Anyone else going to be there?

>>29913860
Watch out, guys. It's the DI.

>>29913720
I'm the guy from last thread that twisted his ankle training for basic. leaving in 12 days, haven't ran at all in 6. RICE method all day every day until zero pain. starting to worry. I hope I'll be able to even finish one mile, much less in the required time.
I'm giving myself till Friday, then I'm going to stretch extremely well, walk a mile, stretch again, and try to jog half a mile at maybe 50%. if it hurts for a second at all, I'll be laid up until I ship so that I can be 100% when I get there

>>29913987
Hope you're feeling better, why not just call it off until you're sure? Or is it too late?

My recruiter told me if I feel unfit to do BMT or if I was an idiot and smoked weed recently (lel) to just call it off until I could pass the short MEPS before BMT.

>>29914020
I don't want to lose my spot/bonus or I would

>>29914020

Not that guy, but "calling it off" isn't as easy as it sounds. If you're medically unfit to ship they can push your date back, but that can mean losing your job, bonus, or enlistment options. It could also mean six more months of sitting around w/ no job.

>>29914060
You'll lose it for sure if you have to drop out after you ship.

>>29914068
all I can do is hope for the best, at this point
>>29914065
this
>next week I have my 1-1-1 assessment with my recruiter before I ship
>hope I can get through the fucking mile

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>>29915083

>running consecutive days

>>29915115
as long as you take rest days I don't see an issue with it.

>>29915195
>>29915083
will this help me max the marine pft?

>>29915222
yeah, it should. Just stick to the program.

>>29915115
We run all 5 days until everyone's hips and shins fracture in the Army

Where can I find the most up to date health requirements to enlist?

>>29915828
-don't have anything bad on your record
-if you have something wrong and it's not on there, lie

Congrats you passed MEPS

>>29910767
Hey I have degree in comp Sci specializing in bioinfomatics can I join force recon?

>>29915840
I'm kind of a worrier about things coming back to haunt me so I'd like to get in honestly (if I can) or not at all.
>inb4 Y.E.S = your enlistment stops

>>29911680
After if you're lucky.

Anyone here 38B (Civil Affairs Specialist) or know anything about it?

>>29916238
If you know it's an immediate DQ and want to get in, just lie. Lie, lie, and lie.
If if you want to tell your recruiter. He'll do one of three things.

1.) Tell you to lie about it
2.) Tell you you shouldn't join in the first place.
An odd third option.) he's never heard of it and can't find any info about it. Usually with this one he'll actually send some info to the doc because he doesn't want to be responsible if you die.

But do mention any broken bones/stitches/other small shit. That's easy to get past.

>>29916664
My college recruiter sent us a spam email about it. I guess it's in demand or he wouldn't have singled it out. I don't know if this is anymore than the general description, but here's what we were sent:

Civil Affairs

Secure the Victory

Civil Affairs Soldiers are the field commander's link to the civil authorities in his area of operations. With specialists in every area of the government, they can assist a host government meet its people's needs and maintain a stable and viable civil administration.

Civil Affairs units help military commanders by working with civil authorities and civilian populations in the commander's area of operations to lessen the impact of military operations on them during peace, contingency operations and declared war. Civil Affairs forces support activities of both conventional and special operations forces, and are capable of assisting and supporting the civil administration in the area of operations.

Civil Affairs specialists can quickly and systematically identify critical requirements needed by local citizens in war or disaster situations. They can also locate civil resources to support military operations, help minimize civilian interference with operations, support national assistance activities, plan and execute non-combatant evacuation, support counter-drug operations, and establish and maintain liaison or dialogue with civilian aid agencies and civilian commercial and private organizations.

>>29916676
Here's the thing, it shouldn't be an immediate DQ or even need a waiver. It's ADHD, but I have not taken meds or been inhibited by it in almost a decade where everything I've found says 1 year off is enough.

>>29916771
>It's ADHD
Talk to your recruiter about it. Go by what he says. Remember they are crossroads demons so don't be surprised by what he tells you, he want's that signature.

>>29916836
I want him to hear words like "behavioral", "disorder" and the fancy acronym and think it's more serious than it is. This is why I would like to find the health standards, so I can show him how non-debilitating living with it can be.

>>29916934
*don't want him to hear...*

>>29916934
Your recruiter isn't going to give a shit. He's going to tell you to lie or help you get medical documents. MEPS is the one you have to convince.

>>29910767
How did your parents take you guys joining the military? I brushed it by my folks and my dad was OK with it and even eager but my mom wasn't having it. How did your folks react? I'm going to join regardless but I don't want my mother having such an attitude about

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>>29913860
>tfw enlisted as 25B and a week away from graduation
>didnt go 11x to be 11c
At least in going go Korea..

>>29917026
>>>29913860
>>tfw enlisted as 25B and a week away from graduation
>>didnt go 11x to be 11c
>At least in going go Korea..
Going to go to*

>>29917019
Joining the army.


My father was cool with it when I told him I wasn't going for infantry, a little proud even.

My mother cried and told me the Army is for idiots who can't make it into the other branches. I explained I got an 85 on the asvab and what that meant and she screamed "Then why are you joining the army!?" She's cool with it now. Still hurts I know she isn't happy with me.

>>29917019

Joining the Air Force. Dad was Air Force. Their perspective on it was mixed. I suspect that since my dad was an enlisted he doesn't want me to outrank him by virtue of commissioning.

>>29917130
And it's weird, my mom is vehemently anti-gun and anti-military as far as I know she has no real experience with the military. I don't know where she got that from.

>>29916975
Absolutely, but the less of an issue I can convince the recruiter it is, the more willingly he'll go to bat for me (ie. getting a waiver) IF needed.

>>29917149
That's pretty petty of your father to not want his son to go as far as he can.

>>29917233
My mom is the same. She reacted so badly when I told her I'm going into the navy and she thinks I'm going to get killed or something. She's so irrational about this idk what to do with her.

>>29917243

He's a weird dude.

>>29911070
ayy
>>29913456
so does my job, we are the air force version of crew chiefs and get treated better

>DEP marines with older bro senior highschool
>73 ASVAP
>Bro offs self
>Breakdown and end up dropping DEP
>Recruiter says not allowed to DEP again
>2 years later looking into Army
>Marine Recruiter tells me other recruiter lied, they want me back
>Retake ASVAP, score 86
>Going good, hyped
>Get surprise ship bumped up by months
>Way too soon
>Just moved to new apartment
>Agonize over decisions, drop DEP again

Finally getting my life back on track and looking at enlisting again. I don't want to waste anybody's time in the Marines if shit gets messed up again, how does Army compare lifestyle wise?

>>29917261
She will get used to it. My mom was the same way, and I went to Iraq. Now she's proud of my service.

>tell mom I'm joining the army
>she spergs out and says I'll be killed
>I say no more likely than anyone else
>few weeks later she finally accepts it.

It's a few things dude, one your her child and you're leaving the nest, she thought she had more time with you. Second it can be a dangerous job, especially to the uniformed.

>>29917335
maybe this isn't for you, man

>>29917402
I've had that mentioned to me before, and I've considered they were maybe right, but I don't really see myself doing anything else. It's always been this sort of stepping stone.

Unless you mean this thread isn't for me, in which case I'll shut my ass up

>>29917026
Hey, do your thing.
Nothing wrong with picking a practical job.

>>29917417
maybe third time's a charm? but you've quit twice already. I'm not saying you didn't have a good reason, but still. follow your heart

>>29917438
That's what I'm worried about, I quite twice and I can see people looking at me and goin "Oh he'll flake out"

>>29917470
>people looking at me
Literally no one cares. You shouldn't care either. Figure out what you really want, and set yourself on that path.

>>29917518
I, actually hadn't really measured how much someone would give a shit. Though didn't occur to me, so this actually helps a lot.

Also yes, I do need to make sure it's what I want.

I'm watching this documentary on YouTube about fort sill bct
>why are some wearing jerseys and some aren't?
>why do they make you dump all your shit out several times?
>once you stow your gear, when does the running and pushups and shit start?
>what happens if you can't keep up? reassigned to the overweight slow platoon?
>is it 9 weeks of scuff sessions or is that just for the first few weeks/ red phase?
>my packing list my recruiter gave me is different from goarmy.com and ft. sill's websites, which one do I go by?
>big feet. should I buy brand new running shoes before I go, or take my chances with whatever they have at the PX?
>can you bring foot powder? aftershave? ace bandage? shoe inserts?
I have more, that's a lot

What is Fort Benning like?

I am going to be infantry and I will be doing my OSUT there in June.

i leave for navy boot camp on june 23rd, can someone give me some advice what boot camp is like + what Hospital Corpsman A school and FMF Marine school is like?

>>29919080
Boot is easy, even easier then when i went. As long as you can run youre fine. Corpsman is a good rate i can also tell you that.

Will they let me use a waiver to do secret cool guy stuff at 29? You're supposed to be in before 28 to do it, but I'm in pretty solid shape.

>>29919163
I'm 29 and didn't need a waiver

>>29919189

Special forces has a higher age limit than special tactics. I probably should have specified.

>>29919200
you'll need a waiver

>>29919241

They easy to get or hard?

>>29919255
are you single? have kids? have anything on your record? depends on how JAG or the battalion commander is feeling that day

>>29917261
>>29917373
When I told my mother about enlisting, she gave me a look as if I was suicidal. When I actually enlisted . . . and eventually deployed, she acted as if I was about to get killed. When I told her that I only signed up for 35N, and that I would only be working with computers, she wouldn't believe me. She thought that "Intelligence" meant going on black ops like James Bond, and taking part in deep cover missions. It took me a long time to convince her that I was working with a bunch of nerds, in a dark office, and that I didn't even carry a gun. Even then, she thought I was covering something up.

It's a mother's job to worry.

>>29919367
How's 35N? I'm going to basic for it very soon

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>>29919367
Must be nice having a mom who cares

>>29919297

Single. Record doesn't have so much as a traffic ticket.

>>29919427
you're probably straight, doesn't hurt to try

>>29919397
Expect 80/20

80% of the time, you won't be doing your job. You'll be doing clerical, administrative work. Aside from that you'll be chain smoking with the other nerds, playing video games or Magic the Gathering. I did a lot of weight lifting at that time. 20% you'll be doing the actual work that you signed up for. It's pretty cool, and you'll find out why soon enough!

I'm out now, and if you want a parting thought I'd say that I do not regret my time spent. 35N is an MOS that translates very well into the civvie world. Your time spent with technology, your military experience, your security clearance, and a degree (if you already have one) makes you a hard candidate to turn down. No, you won't be guaranteed a job outright. That never happens. BUT you will be guaranteed interviews. You'll have them lined up for days, son. Make sure you take advantage of the Army's career placement programs.

I'm shipping to Jackson this Tuesday, What should I bring and shit? wat do

>>29919519
I fucking dare you to be that guy who brings his XBox to Basic

>>29919463
damn I just quit smoking too lol. just started lifting last year, haven't played magic since like middle school.

were you strat or tac? did you get to deploy? did you get a chance to go airborne or get attached to SOF? was AIT really as hard as they're making it out to be (80% attrition? that sounds extremely unlikely)? did you get a choice of duty station? would you suggest Gordon or Meade or the Hawaii one? during that 80% bs time, will I be able to work on my degree? are there opportunities to learn about other intelligence disciplines (like ELINT MASINT etc) or does that depend on where you're at? polygraph?

>>29919532
I don't own an xbox.

Should I pick one up and bring it for the lulz?

>>29919463
So here is the deal anon, I'm fat but working on losing weight and decent with computers but don't have a cert or degree, mid 20s. Is this a viable career choice to set me up down the road? How do you go about signing up for 35N specifically? I've never even dreamed of signing up for any kind of military until now.

Starting to get those last minute "what the fuck am I doing" feelings. I want this. I just hope I don't come out with a busted body, a dull mind, and a family that doesn't exist any more.

Tell me about friends and connections you made while serving, /k/.

>>29919541
Yes, but as a twist refer to it as a PS4 when getting yelled at.

>>29919519
>>29919532
Wait ive heard this but never understood, does the Army allow/make you bring things to bootcamp with you?
>>29919585
I was in the navy for 4, i made better friends than youd imagine. I still talk to the majority of dudes i knew back then.

>>29919655
there is a packing list, yes

>>29919578
Bro, I'm not going to hold your hand. If you're interested in signing up for the MOS, then talk to your local recruiter. [I'm not a shill, I swear.]

I'll share my story:
>be 24
>with useless degree working in the most leftist of tech industry startups: Etsy
>testosterone levels: depleted
>realize that I should have entered a more technical field
>don't have the contacts, or the experience to enter a different industry
>be too old for an undergrad internship
>start feeling that in-between-a-rock-and-a-hard-place-feel
>start devising a career road map
>two options: go back to school or find a technical MOS in the military
>me: ain't got no monay, sheeeeit
>talk to recruiter soon after
>[5 years later]
>interview with companies, all who have picked up on my CV which contains everything: degree, civvie experience, mil experience, technical proficiency
>get a job
>have a better career in a large aviation company

>>29919712
This might sound weird but can i ask why? Do they make you bring things so they dont have to give them to you or something? Cause when i went navy boot we put every item on us into a box a mailed it home that minute we got there. Underwear and all.

>>29919746
Not that guy from before but its nice to see a military success story.

In all seriousness though, I'm shipping to fort Jackson this Tuesday, and i'm going to be there for 9 weeks, can I bring a couple books?

>>29919535 I'm this guy, not this guy >>29919578. he's not going to join lol, I'm leaving in less than 2 weeks

>>29919535
You'll be fine.

who /marines/

looking at fixed wing mech or data systems

anyone have experiance being the computer guy in the Corps? I imagine grunts would treat you like shit

how hard is it to go greenside as an HM? don't they ask for volunteers and everyone who scores halfway decent on the marine prt gets a shot at FMF?

What does army infantry even do during peace time? (Serious)
I don't wanna piss away 4 years doing nothing on a base. I wanna see action.
What conflicts are even occurring right now?

>>29921341

85 % cleaning things and standing around waiting to be told what to clean.

15 % going out to the field and pretending you're deployed.

whats the closest you can get to doing coolguy/operator shit without actually being SF/SEAL/etc

>>29921522

Airsoft.

Or some kind of non-SOF support job attached to SOF.

>>29921379
Aw man.
What how about tank crewmen?

>>29921695

See above, except you're all bitter when you go to the field because they didn't actually bring the tanks (too expensive to turn on).

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Is it possible for a air force recruiter to get me a specific job? I heard only the army can guarantee you a specific job you picked. I don't want to get stuck doing something i hate for 4 years. Pls help /k/

>>29921817
I got my specific job because it's critically manned. I signed the contract like a day or two after taking ASVAB/dlab

>>29921817
No. Go army if you want to pick and choose. Any reason you are opposed to it?

>>29921901
What job was it?
>>29921903
Nothing wrong with the army, its just that loadmaster is pretty much my dream job. I don't think there's anything like it in the army.

>>29921952
CARGO SPECIALIST (88H)

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here's a random question. is there any swimming involved at AF BMT? i know other branches will just throw you into a pool and laugh at you while you scream for help. just need to know because i have a hard time treading water and wanted to get a jump on it. here's some tits

>>29919519
I'm shipping to Jackson tuesday too from california friend. MOS?

>>29922084
I appreciate telling me about that mos. But the reason i want loadmaster is because i want to travel and be aircrew.

>>29922259
There wasn't for general BMT as of 2004. Only if you decide to volunteer for the AFSOC track will watersports ever be involved in AF BMT.

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>>29922259
Not the OP, bu jumping on this question...

>How do I into P/J? Is it a contract? Or do I have to jump through hoops?

>>29922576
Three ways.

One is contracted pipeline like most other AFSCs.

Second is during the week 2/3ish AFSOC call. They take volunteers out of BMT flights temporarily and you take a ghetto PAST test en mass with other hopefuls. I tried it, passed everything until the water portion wiped me. Had the distance swim down, but during the water recovery portion (jump in with uniform/boots on) I panicked and grabbed the side of the pool. Was sent back to my BMT flight and told to work on it and try again during my retrain window.

Third is retrain after hitting active duty. Washout rate/fail to qual rate is very high for all three.

>>29915083
Why do EODs need to run so much?

>>29922641
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYy2r5GFH_c

How little sleep do sub officers get? I don't want to work my ass off for 36 hours in a sub but they're telling me there's no nuke spots for carriers

how fit do you need to be to get into the Canadian military? I ran 5k today and got 48 minutes. I havent run in a couple months and I can do 30 push ups and 10 chin ups. Can I make it in? pls halp

>>29923879
You decided to make a post here, and make your own thread? Did you at least google first?

>>29923928
yeah I did im not a complete idiot I just wanted personal input

>>29923933
>personal input
I don't why you're snapping at that guy, fitness standards are easy to find and are completely objective - you either met then or you didn't.

anybody else going to fort Sill for basic May 31st?
Just signed a contract for 13B today

>>29923879
You're America Jr. So look up our standards and subtract 15%.

Or use this thing invented called a search engine.

>>29921522
Seabees seem to do some fairly cool guy shit.

>>29923703
Not much until they get qualified.

Then, maybe around 6 hours. Subs are moving from 18 hour days to 24 hour days though, so it may have changed.

>originally wanted to enlist out of highschool
>did community for 2 years instead
>Then a year of uni
>leave uni and lose 77 lbs
>trying to get into nursing school at community
>have to fuckin wait a year, already turning 23 next month
>transfer to another uni for my bachelors in nursing will probably take 3-4 years if i get in this fall

fuck im conisdering enlisting if shit doesn't work. I dont want to be finishing uni at 28 and im getting into better shape and usually can do up to 12 miles a week of running so actually considering the military even though my parents are against it and my brother is as far left as you can go

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So I posted a thread a fay ago about joining the YPG and someone suggested I just join the French Foreign Legion. If I were to join (I seem to meet all the requirements, so what the hell) how likely is it that I would see service?
Yall seem like the folks to ask

>>29925175

Fuck the military, become a nurse and make bank.

If you still want to do it after your life is awesome then do the guard or reserve as a crazy flight nurse officer.

>>29925223
a big problem is money though, even with a scholarship it'd still be like 20 grand a year

i dont want to be a leech till im almost midlife

>>29924839
I'll be there, senpai

>>29925181
very likely if you're young and fit and speak a little french

>>29925268
I'm 20, 6 foot 1 200 lbs. Can't run for shit but I plan on training all summer. I don't speak any french, but I'm willing to learn and the website said that it didn't matter. Would I get in any trouble with the US government if I joined?

>>29925254

Get your ASN at the community college then do a state university for the BSN.

You really can't get enough money together from your state or whatever to get through a jc?

>>29913450
It's important to remember a couple of things when considering a job in the military.

1) Your recruiter once held a job, and most likely will return to it after he's been a recruiter long enough to have forgotten all but the most rudimentary elements. Outside of that job, he might know a little bit about some things from what he's gleaned from friends and, you know, being a sentient being, but he doesn't know for himself because he's never walked those shoes.
2) They're on the recruiter train. While he once again might have a friend or several friends who are spread across the army, a recruiter doesn't know shit about who is deploying where, except that he's not going to deploy anytime soon.

>>29910767
Brother is in army as artillery (forgot exact MOS)
Told me that 68w get a degree after their AIT, is that true or is he bullshitting me?

I feel like I fucked up in highschool, and maybe the military could be a second chance for me

Is it still possible to ask to be chaptered out of the army in AIT like it was in basic? I wanna kill myself.

>>29918976
I would presume some are wearing different color jerseys. They used to make us wear them when we took PT tests. Color signified platoon we were in, with the numbers being easier for many of the drills who weren't our platoon's assigned drills to remember us.
They really only made us dump out our shit like once, to make sure we didn't "lose" anything or bring in contraband. If you're getting lay outs all the time, it's because someone's fucking you over, and it's probably not the drill's fault. You might get your shit fucked up if you leave the locker open, for example, or if you leave your shit so that you can just pull the lock and have it open (always rotate the dial after you resecure it).
Running and pushups and shit starts when you get off the bus with a little welcoming session. Then you go do basic drill blocks on how to do movements like, for example, half right face. People who fuck it up will result in you getting fucked up. Not sounding off, same shit. Don't even have to be loud, just gotta sound like there's something behind it.
If you're not keeping up? The army does ability group runs at basic, so you're not necessarily running with your platoon. You're running with people roughly your speed. If you're not able to run an 8 min/mile indefinitely for about 5 miles, well, you can work on that before you get to basic. Shit's too easy. If you fail your graduation 50/50/50 PT test, you'll be a holdover in pork chop platoon (I forget its actual name).
It depends on how fucked up you are and your platoon and your company. My company was red phase the entire time, but a handful of prior service guys and the guys coming from military colleges and the guys who, in general, weren't fuck ups didn't get fucked up or fucked around with by the drills and we got a lot of time on our own.
You'll need socks, a watch, and other basic shit. I don't know what you've got on your list.

>>29910767
do recruiters make money off of getting people to join, like how a car salesman makes commission for selling a car?

>>29925047
what does that mean? days are divided into 8 hours instead of 6? seems like more work

>>29918976
But yeah, I would go with a hybrid. Make sure you can fit anything you might have to stow into a bag, though.

When I went through, we had to wear the running shoes at the PX. If you're not a fuckin' retard, you should be able to "sneak" around the drill that tells you if you pronate or underpronate and what you need based on your arches and all that shit and get shoes that fit and are comfortable, unless they're out.

For boots, remember that you don't want to slide in that shit, that they'll break in and expand very slightly, and to change your socks.

I wouldn't worry about aftershave bro, unless you've got really sensitive skin. Ain't nobody going to smell you there. Can't answer about the ace bandage. People got butthurt about shoe inserts when we first got there, but once again if you're not a retard you should be fine. I also don't remember about footpowder, but I wouldn't recommend footpowder if there's a dichotomy between footpowder and body powder - and when you're packing a ruck, there is because you're measuring out weight versus utility.

>>29925343
start running and download duolingo. you wont get in trouble

>>29925544
You can get a degree for almost any technical AIT through partnerships that the military has with local community colleges, especially members of the Servicemember Opportunity College network for whatever branch you choose. Many of them take the DSST and CLEP tests, which are like the Collegeboard SATs for a specific subject or the AP test. They're largely multiple choice. If you do a week's worth of studying and are a relatively aware of the world kind of person, you're able to pass just about any of the subjects with relative ease and get your college credit for free. When the test results come back, they'll be uploaded into your JST - joint services transcript - which you can then get for free instead of having to pay the people who make the DSST and CLEP tests to pull your records and send them off to whatever college - once again, provided they take those two tests. With 'em, you can knock out a not-insignificant amount of credits for your general education courses and electives.

>>29925668
Thanks. I have a knack for languages, I think they're fun to learn. Wishing I studied french instead of Russian now

>>29925181
My buddy was one of two out of a group of fifty Americans that passed through the marche kepi blanc when he went that route (long backstory no one gives a fuck about now). Most americans aren't ready to be treated like absolute dog shit and have to follow uneducated fucks around who don't really have an idea of how to operate operationally beyond what they saw in some eastern bloc knock off of Transporter.

>>29925619
Precisely bud.

They get signup commissions and the bigger your signing bonus is the bigger their commission. That's why they're always trying to send people to EOD, PSYOPS, HUMINT, PJ, Aviation, or other high demand, low sign rate jobs.

>>29925725
Is 18x easy to get into for this very reason?

>>29925704
Did the others get kicked out or leave of their own accord?

>>29925606
thanks for answering, I need to work on my running

>>29925697
Russian might help more than you think in FFL

>>29925725
Tell me about those jobs. What do they do and why are they low sign. Given my background PSYOPS sounds interesting.

>>29925803
Oчeнь хopoшo!

>>29925644
so the shoe thing, they just tell you to line up? and I just wander elsewhere during this part?

>>29925737
Lol. Whoever told you 18x was easy to get into was probably also tried to get you to crawl under the desk for an oral inspection bro. It's not easy. Never will be easy.

However, if someone meets the initial physical requirements for 18X and shows even a passing interest the recruiter might ("might", not always) try to steer them towards it. I don't know if 18x has a signing bonus anymore. I'm pretty sure 11x doesn't have one (but that's no surprise). Of you're recruiter is a sick and out for himself he's gonna watch your testing scores very carefully and find the most obscure job with the highest signing bonus and recruitment commission possible to get his cut. That's one of the reasons everyone says to know what you want when you talk to them.

>>29925763
Combination of the two.

>>29925725
HUMINT is super overstocked and hadn't offered a bonus for years - at least on the Army side of the house. We've been 798 for promotion to E5 in AD since like, April 2013.

>>29925826
They had me go to a giant PX-run shoe store. There was a drill there who judged people's arches and told them what type of shoe they needed. You walk through the store and grab the box yourself. The drill isn't going to remember or GAF so long as you're not standing there idly or trying on every damned shoe in the store.

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250 on the APFT
Planning on enlisting next summer

Am I on my way to having a decent shot at being a Ranger? I'm a pretty small guy tbqh, 5'11, 165 lbs. It seems like most media portrays those solders as huge fucking bears who could deadlift a horse

>>29925725
Aviation? I'm going 15W and got shit.

>>29925966
so walk in, then roll out

>>29926054
I'm smaller than you at the same height, 160, cutting to 150 by the end of the month and I'm around 270 for the apft because fuck sit ups. Look past the the mainstream media. Also fuck what they look like. Just put in your work and never give up

>>29926054
My old SL just got through RASP. He's tiny as fuck but can out PT most people. He's got drive and wants to go shoot people in the face. That's what you need, really: drive. Everything else will come.

>>29926054
every ranger i've seen is a short(er) stocky "wrestler" build

>>29926054


The only ranger I know was tiny

In the meps hotel right now. Why is the briefing scheduled at 8:30? I want to sleep fuck.

>>29926087
>>29926141
>>29926153
>>29926163
Yeah I'd like to cut another 10-15 lbs of weight, I've got a lot of fat on me.

Thanks guys.

Hows everyone's PT coming along?

>>29926175
Smaller guy from above, the thing that has improved my training the most is to find a trainer who is intense and will just wreck you. I imagine it's similar to how getting smoked will be

>>29926222
Where'd you find someone like that? I'm a college student so funds are pretty tight.

>>29926175
fucked, I'm the guy who twisted his ankle. t-minus 10 days to ship, haven't run in a week. my pushups are suffering because of it too

>>29910767
It's always been my dream to be an army ranger, but a marine recruiter said that the marines are basically rangers and their training is just as tough. Is this true? If so should I go marine?

>>29926288
if you can afford a bicycle tube go get one, wrap in tightly around you ankle and then move your ankle through its range of motion.

>>29926296
your recruiter is a liar. or just too dumb to know better. it's 50/50 as to which one

>>29926316
I've been icing and wrapping it in an ace bandage, keeping it elevated as much as possible. I'll look into a bike tube, never heard that one, thanks

Leaving AIT on Saturday (natty guard), wanted to apply as a cop but the cop test date I was shooting for ended last week, because my psg fucked up my atrrs date. It'll be about 4 months till the next one.

I really want to be a cop, that's my end goal, but I need positive cash flow within a month of being home, what would be a good job for 24 year old AIT graduate who's only worked restaurants before? College is uh, something I'm planning on, eventually.

If all else fails though I'll probably just cry about it to my commander and go active

>>29926605
go work at Planet Fitness

>>29925258
Whats ur last name?
we should have a 4chan facebook group so we can go in knowing each other

>>29921800
Well god damn
What's a not shit combat mos right now?

>leaving in 2 weeks for Army basic
>minor knee pain from running/my shitty work boots
>streching and foam rolling every day for last week
>not running at all
>not getting better
what do?
Im a pretty decent runner so im not worried about my times as long as I do not injure myself

>>29910767
I have a small penis. Will the guys laugh at me in the shower in the army?

>>29925725
This isn't even remotely true.

>>29926980
>9$ an hour
Bruh I made more at my restaurant, shit sucks

Oh well. Just knuckle under and get another shit job while I wait for the next test date

>>29927048
>let me post my last name on here
You'll know me, I'll be about 10 years older than all the other recruits

>>29927089
damn are you me? I'm the one with the twisted ankle. my run gains are fucked. what are we going to do??
>basic in 10 days

>>29925806
PSYOPS is psychological warfare and everything that goes with it. If you get in you might do stuff like building profiles on known terrorists or enemy leaders for intelligence. Figure out what makes them tick so they can get cornered and hit where it hurts them most. Or....

You might assist with "knowledge bombing", meaning assisting with making sure pamphlets and propaganda get sent to areas where Uncle Sam needs to win hearts and minds. Very,very dull.

HUMINT on the other hand is boots on the ground work. It's interviewing and interaction with local leaders, assets, and informants. Alot of it is backed by the alphabet soup agencies and you're reports (which there's alot of) will usually get carbon copies to one or more of them along with your COC. It's not intelligence work like "J.B." (Bond, Bourne, Bauer pick one) style. But it is a vital part of the Intel chain. Think of it this way: a HUMINT specialist (the status not the rank) might go into a village someplace and sit down with a local low level leader who happened to see something strange. That one tip gets passed along and becomes a puzzle piece to the whereabouts of a weapons supplier. That Intel gets plugged into the rest of the equation and might be just what the CIA needs to call a play and get the fucker snatched from his bed one night by SAD and welcomed into the warm embrace of an interrogator who pokes, prods and wheedles his ass into spilling all he knows about a plot to deliver yellow cake to some very bad customers. See?

How to fuck do Rangers/SEALs/SOF/etc guys smoke so much and keep their PT up?

>>29925912
Right i didnt mean it was easy to pass or anything just was it easy to get a contract.

As of right now how hard would it be to become an 11b? Does the Army always need Infantry?

>>29927545
Very difficult. Wait until October and more slots will open up.

Recruiters don't get commission, dumbfuck. They get extra recruiter pay, but it isn't based off of the contracts they give out.

>>29927706
Im pretty sure this anon is correct.

>>29927598
what if im a junior in high school.


>inb4 underage, i'm 18 but I failed 2nd grade because i had mono and missed 3/4 of the year

>>29927264
MISO/PSYOPS also performs passive intelligence collection.

For people who don't know what that means, it's pretty much exactly as it sounds. A HUMINTer will go and actually ask questions specific to security whereas a PSYOP/MISO guy will be more interested in how people get information and finding key personnel in order to influence the populace.

That said, I've never personally seen a PSYOP dude sit down to "build a profile" on an enemy, because 1) they're passive collectors and 2) they're not BSCTs or attached to the OMT/HOC/2 shop so they have no fuckin' place in it. Personally. Not saying it doesn't happen, but...

>>29927844
>in high school
Are you graduating soon?
High school students can be projected out further, so you would have a better chance. That said, it's still difficult right now.

I'm sweating /k/, please help!
So I went through MEPS today, everything was fine except I told them I had no record. I got arrested when I was 16 (18 now) and my record is allegedly gone but they sure make a lot of claims about leaving no stone unturned. Will they find anything?!

>>29927880
Are you picking a job that will require a clearance?
Are you planning on staying in longer than your first term?
If so, you can still get fucked.
It depends on the state you live in, the offense, the arresting authority's records procedures, blind luck, etc. Give us some damned info. What was the offense?

>>29927915
I'm probably going infantry, Marines
Probably not, going reserves
NY, offense was "child endangerment", basically I threatened my mom with a knife after she stole a bunch of my stuff and my younger brother was present, the judge told me the record would be wiped and I could say that I had never been arrested in job interviews

>>29927915
There was a domestic dispute between me and my mother and father. I was giving her a massage and my father saw it and freaked out and hit me and next thing we were fighting.

>>29927957
Ignore him, I'm >>29927948

>>29927977
Lies! Ignore >>29927948
im >>29927957
Obviously i didnt try to kill my imaginary brother.

>>29927948
>child endangerment
Was it classified as DV in any way, shape, or form? No reason to lie, anon. If it was classified as DV then that changes everything.
>NY
What county?
>Judge told me
Doesn't matter.
There are a couple ways to play it, but the marines are picky right now. If you were going Army, I'd say to tell your recruiter. They are very lenient with offenses right now. The marines, on the other hand, can afford to be more selective. They're way too effective with their PR, and they have a zillion people try to get into a small number of slots.

>>29927957
i'd like to add that my father is also my brother

Just got approved to go in today as Aerospace Propulsion.

What's the fastest way to go to Afghanistan? How soon can I get there?

>>29927992
No, I don't believe there was any DV charges, it was bullshit too, the cops basically told my mom that they were making it up because I basically didn't do anything. Like an idiot I used my court appointed lawyer who took my $750 and never did jack shit for me
Does the county matter?
Finished MEPS today, probably signed and told them I had no police involvement whatsoever 30+ times

>>29928042
Well probably by plane.
Depends on where you're at right now.

>>29928053
Kek

>>29928052
>if you got arrested, you've been printed
>if you swore in, they printed you again

they're going to know

>>29928052
>does it matter
Do you want help or not? If it didn't matter, do you think I would ask you? Yea, anon. I'm just randomly curious and it doesn't matter at all.
If you don't want to say the county, then you'll have to look up that specific agency's reporting procedures yourself. You might need to send a request for your records to both the court that processed your whole ordeal as well as the law enforcement agency that arrested you.

What you did does not matter.
What the charge was SPECIFICALLY, word-for-word/letter-for-letter and the reporting procedures for the people that processed you matter. You might be good to go, you might be fucked.

>>29927048
where are you from?

>>29928109
This is not true.
It's much more complex than that. Give advice about the stuff you're versed in, mate. Not trying to be an ass.

>>29928111
Thanks for the help, I just don't feel comfortable giving out info to strangers online, especially on big stuff like this. Does the judge saying it would disappear mean anything?

>>29928126
absolutely true
>t. someone who got arrested and tried to hide it

>>29928188
What'd they do to you? Was your record allegedly expunged as well?

>>29928163
That's fine. I've just gone through a VERY similar situation and I'm trying to help you out. I made it in just fine. Do some digging.
Nothing the judge said matters at all. Even if he ripped all your paperwork in half, burned the building down, and told you you're set for life. The judge doesn't control records. The reason you can lie on future job applications is because normal jobs can't just ask the FBI to pull up whatever they want. Gov jobs are a whole different ballgame.
Of course, all of this advice might not be applicable to you, because I don't know where you were arrested. In some locales, the judge sends the arresting agency a request to destroy their records of you too. In some locales, they have to obey. In others, it's ignored.

>>29928204
I had to get a waiver. and yeah my stupid fucking lawyer told me it was expunged and if anyone ever asked about it I didn't have to say shit

>>29928223
If I give you the county can you tell me the law?

>>29928121
/r/Army

>>29928188
That's nice. Now, do you understand that the process is completely different depending on a variety of factors including state and county laws pertaining to records, what clearance level you require, and a million other things?
I got in. Hint hint.

>>29928240
I could look it up.
Or, you know, you could. You have the internet.

>>29928249
I'm guessing you don't have a TS

>>29928237
What branch?

>>29928265
What would I look up exactly? _______ County mandatory reporting laws or something?
Aren't all convictions from when you're a minor supposed to disappear anyways?

>>29928275
No, I do not. But I can answer question regarding getting one under special circumstances.
>>29928286
If you googled that, you would get there eventually.
>Disappear
No.
Well, generally no.
In certain locales, yes. (But not really)
The FBI keeps everything that they receive, and counties have to send copies of shit that happens to the FBI. Whether they do or not, and what their specific procedures are for doing so, depends on...you guessed it, where you were arrested and by who.

>>29928243
Super gay, anon

>>29928126
>>29928223
>>29928249
>>29928329
Listen to this guy at your own risk

>>29928329
About how long will it take for the check to complete, I got varying answers

>>29928443
Motherfucker, I run the records department at one of the largest police departments in the country. I TEACH A CLASS once a month on inter-agency records transfer that gets nearby county personnel proficient in sending their stuff to the FBI. I got into the army without disclosing certain information, and the Marines use the same goddamn people to look into this stuff. Who the fuck are you?

>>29928527
What did you do to avoid disclosing stuff? Teach me your secrets sempai

>>29928533
I didn't do anything special, I just lucked out on where my "special circumstances" occurred. I knew the local procedures because my father headed the records department before I did, and I was upfront with him about what I wanted to do.

>>29928527
Someone who couldn't, in good conscience, tell these kids to fraudulently enlist. The medical shit, sure, lie away. But you're naive to think that kids going for TS/SCI will have no problems. I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm not going to respond anymore to your shot, but these kids have a right to know both sides

>>29928610
>>29928533
Basically, if the agency that arrested you doesn't send records to the FBI when and how they should, whatever you did nevet happened as far as .gov os concerned.
People think big brother is all knowing.
Big brother is run by a bunch of desk jockeys entering information into computers and hitting send.
It's mostly women and "retired" folk. Shit doesn't work well where people are dumb.

>>29928652
How can I find out if my local PD sent this? Also, is there any reason it wouldnt be sent as I was underaged?