Kommandos
Is the scar as great as everyone seems to think? I've been looking for ages to fingerfuck one but have had no luck.
>>29858318
Unfortunately for FN SOCOM dropped the transition program. Its still a good gun but it's far too overpriced for little gained over the AR platform.
>>29858374
Brutal. So if I'm wanting to get into 308 it's better to stick with AR-10?
It's a good gun and will be better in 5 years when the price comes down on used ones.
>>29858318
My scar holds a 10 inch group at 1 kilometer with a G trigger and AA11. It's a great rifle.
>>29858390
Maybe. SCAR17s is considered the best 7.62nato battle rifle on the market. If you have the money go for it. But like the other anon said the price will probably go down.
>>29858374
Arguably, because the parts commonality on the AR10 is fucked at best considering there's about 3 different patterns now, and each brand may do something a little different.
If you get an AR10, which is honestly quite good, can't really speak for reliability though, go with a DPMS pattern type 2. That's mostly what everybody is modeling after now, and DPMS has no plans on dropping it any time soon.
>FOUR
>DIFFERENT
>SHADES
>>29858510
I have the money. I would still like to get to see it and finger it before throwing down on it blindly. But it seems if I want it that's the only way to do it.
>>29858390
The scar is the best .308 BR out right now. It wasn't dropped due to its inability to perform, it was dropped because it's prices wasn't justifiable for the gained performance.
>>29858751
Where do you live? A range near me in MD had one when I was there several months ago. I doubt its gone.
Daniel Defense's .308 is just as good and reliable.
Literally no reason to buy a SCAR over one.
>>29859099
Austin, tx
>reciprocating charging handle
>no ambi
Pass.
>>29859169
That seems a bit absolutist. What if you like a side charging handle? What if you don't want a folding stock? What if Stoner's AR-18 design give you a boner?
>>29859175
Can't help you there. You don't have any ranges with one for rent? It's usually a hot item to rent out thanks to all the COD kids that come in. Call around, someones got to have one for rent in a 50-100 mile radius.
>>29859346
Trust me I've tried. I may just bite the bullet and order one. Worst case I've got a really nice gun that I overpaid for.
My irrational fear of supreme leaders raising prices to unattainable levels has me wanting to just do it and get it in my hands.
It's an awesome rifle, and it's been thoroughly tested and combat proven
>>29859449
Then get it. Sounds like you won't be happy till you have one and there's no gun like it on the market.
>>29859169
To be fair it's almost as expensive and proprietary as the SCAR.
>>29858318
I know it's autistic of me, but am I the only one bothered by the fact that a $2k+ gun comes in a shitty cardboard box like an airsoft gun? At least they could've shipped them in a cheap hard case like some companies do, I mean you can go buy one at Cabelas or wherever for like $30.
>>29858751
>>29858318
where do you guys live my LGS hase a couple on the wall and i'm in comifornia
>>29861805
No, which is why if I had the money I'd buy a KAC in either caliber before buying a SCAR, on top of the already superior features out of the box.
Too bad I am a poorfag who will own neither...
>>29861805
That cardboard box was specifically engineered and custom manufactured to ensure your $3K+ investment arrives safely to your FFL. People who demand their rifle come with a shitty plano tier hard case don't understand that the cardboard not only costs more but protects the rifle during shipping much better as well.
>>29858318
It's an awesome rifle but FN is dead set on marking everything up like crazy. They could be priced to compete with PTR-91 and blow every other .308 platform out of the water.
>>29859169
>Literally no reason to buy a SCAR over one.
>I'm pretending to have bought something to I seem more experienced
>>29862361
Why would FN wan't to lower MSRP when they are currently selling every rifle that comes off the line?
>>29862326
I guess you've got a point there. I'm just kind of a packaging geek and hate when something expensive comes in a cheapo box, even though it doesn't really matter in the long run.
I guess I shouldn't really complain when I've bought $5000+ Nikon camera bodies that come in shitty cardboard boxes as well.
>>29862361
The price will only increase until after the election, at which point Shillary will ban them.
BUY NOW!!
>>29862465
But that's the disconnect. You associate cardboard with "cheap" when it's precisely the opposite. Several years ago on the LWRC forums the owner of that company got so fed up with similar complaints he eventually came out and publicly destroyed a guy criticizing their cardboard packaging. I wish I could find the thread because it contained a lot of hard numbers and relevant facts, but the gist and most important take away from that spectacle was just how much research and investment goes into those "shitty" cardboard boxes that ignorant folks love to complain about. I remember specifically him mentioning walking through the distributors warehouse and noting all the gun barrels poking through pallets of bushmasters and other flimsy plastic cases that customers thought were better.
>>29862568
I can get that more goes into the boxes, but its still not an excuse for me. if I'm paying 3k i dont mind an extra 100 added on for a nice case.
>>29864007
>$100
>nice case
Yeah, no. Anything short of Pelican or Storm case is a waste, and I don't need the manufacturer sticking the cost on me for something that isn't exactly what I want. "If I'm paying 3K..." you shouldn't care what the rifle comes in because you can buy your own damn case.
>>29858374
I thought that SOF was dropping the M110 in favor of the 17S? Or was it the HK417...? I'm pretty sure that the 17S is continuing a role in one way or another...
>>29858318
i was hugely underwhelmed after shooting the scar 17. i guess the internet and price tag really hyped it up in my mind.
i finally shot and thought to myself "eh, thats it?"
that isnt to say its isnt a good gun, just that i dont see myself paying $2600+ for one.
I shot a SCAR-17 before. Great rifle with excellent fit and finish, felt recoil is pretty good for a .308 rifle.
Only things I don't like are the price, the charging handle operation and location, and that the bolt release on the one I used was busted.
>>29864156
They're not "dropping" either. Both Mk17's and Mk20's are still being delivered. The current M110's aren't really going anywhere and the new CSASS HK28E's will be re-designated M110's as well.
>>29859175
I'm in Austin and have a SCAR 17s, I often go to Eagle Peak range up north.
>>29861866
The sr-15 and scar 16 are pretty much the same thing honestly, Just buy whichever is cheaper
as 308 goes I'd buy a scar over an sr-25 anyday
sr-25 is way overpriced for what it does
>>29859293
>AR-18
SCAR is long stroke. It's a derivative, but it's further down the chain. Basically a modified G36.
>>29864429
>SCAR is long stroke
No. It isn't.
>>29864452
...Yes it fucking is. Do you not know the difference between long and short stroke gas pistons?
>>29864482
>this is a long stroke piston
gr8 b8 m8
>>29864482
the piston is separate from the bolt carrier. Short stroke nigger
>>29864482
You clearly don't.
>>29864482
lol
>>29864498
>>29864515
Got thrown off by the lack of springs I usually see on short stroke pistons. Looks kinda like an FS2000's setup.
This is now an abomination thread.
>>29858318
The stock looks like a foot.
So I can never get past the fact that a SCAR looks like a zombie snorkeler with a hard on
>>29861805
Not like you're going to store it in that box. It goes in a safe or the uber tactical pelican case you were going to buy anyway.
>>29858500
What does AA11 refer to?
>>29858318
Noguns here, but I think I know enough about the SCAR platform. I believe that it is an excellent weapon for close combat in confined spaces (sewers, tight alleys with dumpsters everywhere, etc.), but only with the SCAR-L and a shorter barrel. The reason I say this is because instead of bending your arm to reach closer to your shoulder to reach the charging hamdle on your AR to clear a jam will push your elbow outwards, making it more likely to bump into stuff, but reaching forward for the bolt on your SCAR does the opposite. The shorter barrel will obviously be less likely to snag up on shit, and the L doesn't need a longer mag for the thirty rounds we all know and love. Furthermore, its grenade launcher can be reached with your dominant hand, making it possible to fire it faster (no need to change your grip). At long range, the H should be excellent for suppression and careful shots (remember to use semi only). I don't know much about reliability, though.
>>29864587
I want one in 6.5x39 with a 20" barrel so badly.
>>29858374
Adoption or renounce for military equipment is more about politics and bureaucracy, rather than viability.
Just choose whether you want one rifle based on its merit, judging by your standards.
Not by what U.S. SOCOM decides to adopt.
>>29867338
>Noguns
>confined spaces
Reciprocating charging handle.
But side charging handle is nice.
>grenade launcher
When does a civilian like >>29858318 unlock those bad boys?
Where is our justice?
>Noguns think he know enough about the SCAR platform
>brings out all the irrelevant subject
>>29858318
>pigfat ar10 with piston nonsense
>>29867422
Sorry, man. I didn't mean to imply I knew everything about it. I was just trying to give my two cents.
>>29866486
Gee Anon 2 SCARS!?!
>>29858318
Memegun
>>29868715
Youve clearly never shot one
SCARs are pretty great, overall. Not quite worth the pricetag, but you get what you pay for with these things. I personally disregard the 5.56mm version without full auto. The 7.62mm is quite nice.
>>29868761
>I want to paint my rifle but I still want everyone to know it's a FDE SCAR
Almost as autistic as exposing the BCM logo on rattlecanned guns.
>>29868804
I just wanted to dirty up the brown with some green. Why would it matter if it started off as black or fde?
>>29868828
It's called half-assing it. You obviously wanted that hardcore operator "battle worn" krylon aesthetic but weren't willing to sacrifice completely masking your gucci FDE finish by doing so. What's left is an utter embarrassment and perfect example of trying way to hard. kys
>>29868885
>being this rectally ravaged on an english muffin recipe sharing forum
>>29868885
>Battleworn
Not really. I wanted something more matte in finish, not quite so clean looking sure, not really going for fresh out of the sandbox look though. FDE isnt gucci.
And if I was trying to hard I would have cerakoted that shit. I wanted something that I could put on, take off if I didnt like it. The paints, laundry bag, tape, gloves, stripper, etc was all under $20. It was a lark while I was at the hardware store.
>>29868761
I have. 100% memegun. It's literally Facebook Frog:The Gun.
>>29868993
What does that mean then?
>>29868964
So you wanted to paint your gun but not actually paint your gun. Just as I said the first time, it's both half assed and tryhard at the same time. Take those ungainly 6'4" arms and slap yourself.
>>29869009
>I don't believe it's a memegun guys!
I'm not going to waste anymore time stating the obvious for a post-purchase rationalizing memester.
>>29869040
>half assed
>try hard
Actually they are quite gainly. Been hitting the gym and the oatz extra hard.
>>29869056
You just think its over priced.
I just think you have a shit job, cant budget, and regret people who "throw money away"
>>29869085
>Dat projection
Yeah, because every post I made was about the price. Go on and meme about it some more meme-y.
>>29864482
Lol, do you seriously believe that because the piston is long that makes it a long stroke?
>>29869095
So explain why you dont like for yourself.
Or keep on pushing that pubescent shit posting youve got going on. Either way.
>>29868804
This level you mean?
>>29867338
Jesus you suck.
The SCAR is mechanically better than the AR in all aspects, and ergonomically better in all but one. And desu I'd call that one a draw- the charging handle. I like the non reciprocation of the AR, but I like the side charging of the SCAR. desu I would take the scar if the AR wasn't so much cheaper, because I still really like the side charging as opposed to rear-charging.
>>29858605
Who cares? Are you one of those fags that has a fit if your clothes don't match? It's a fucking gun not a fashion accessory.
>>29869085
why are you bothering arguing with poor autists who just stutter the word meme as a way to argue?
I'd tell you you're both idiots, but the other anon clearly has issues.
how can it be great when they can't even match the colors?
>>29869231
Why would I want it to match?
>>29869255
>not being color coordinated
ugly as fuck
>>29869349
So go black
>>29869368
what if i dont want cop/baby killer black?
>>29869376
paint it
>>29869390
>spend thousands on rifle
>they cant even match colors unless babbykillerblack
>have to spend even more to paint it yourself
>>29869451
>people that think anodized aluminum and injection molded plastic can actually be the same color if not black
Please go be ignorant somewhere else.
>>29869510
I swear, /k/ is the easiest board to troll
>>29869510
doesnt have to be anodized
>>29869538
this guy actually got it. well done.
>>29869542
Yes, actually it does. The anodization process is what allows the 6061 extruded aluminum receiver to have a surface strength capable of resisting wear from off-axis force imparted on the reciprocating steel bolt carrier.
Again, please go be an ignorant jackass somewhere else.
>>29869542
>czechshit
That thing is plauged with so many problems. Terrible example.
>>29869554
>i was only pretending to be retarded
works everytime
>>29869581
so how come the czech can do non-black same colors?
>>29869593
>>29869592
how can you not catch it from my original post: >>29869231 ?
you guys are really something
>>29869603
>so how come the czech can do non-black same colors?
Because they're painting it. The only paint on the SCAR is color fill on the rear iron sight elevation markings.
The only meme about the SCAR is how SCAR owners are so fucking sensitive about their rifles.
If you truly believe that your rifle is worth every penny, then you don't have to defend it from every Tom Dick and Harry that OBVIOUSLY was just trolling you safe-space faggots.
>>29869635
Your forgetting the color fill on the logo, mfg/location, and serial.
>>29869635
so why cant FN paint the SCAR for you when you're spending that much money already?
>shekel shekelstein.jpg
>>29869653
Its just money anon.
I kinda liked this color mismatch.
But I have a soft spot for tac grey too.
>>29869673
>they couldnt even match the different polymer parts
kek
>>29869682
Its different polymers.
>>29858318
i'm not a huge fan of the reciprocating charging handle. there are kits that you can get to make it non reciprocating. I've only shot the SCAR-L
It's a badass fucking rifle.
>>29869662
No I didn't. Those markings are laser etched.
>>29869667
Because why bother painting a rifle when you can achieve the same outcome (FDE) through it's basic manufacturing process. Anodized aluminum and injection molded polymer do not chip, wear or fade. Nobody that actually uses these rifles for a living gives a shit if the colors are 99% match so long as it works as intended. And in case you hadn't realized by now, FN does not concern itself with catering to your prissy faggot ass worried about his barbie dress up AR not matching colors.
>>29869685
did you just post an airsoft pic?
>>29869682
Maybe you should focus on performance rather than Gucci factor?
But whatever floats your boat, friend. No one forces you to buy FN.
>>29858390
man, honestly you can get a Gibbz AR-10 non reciprocating side charging upper and have a .308 battle rifle for half the price. A PTR-91 isn't even that bad. SCAR is fucking rad, but for a third of the price you can get 80% of the same gun
>>29869701
>muh piston
>>29869696
>>29869698
some people have taste.
>>29869685
>2 tone SCAR
I didn't know I needed this until now
>>29869696
The laser made the anodized aluminum turn white?
>>29869718
>some people have taste.
Well, a SCAR isn't pretty.
You can always try the ACR. That's pretty stylish. Too bad it's shit.
>>29869734
>scar isnt pretty
cool opinion
>>29869733
Yes.
>youtu.be/CA7cnTH9dFo
>>29869749
Didnt know.
Sweet
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>>29869718
>fifty shades of tan
>untastefull
pick one
>>29869786
That thing is hideous
>>29869673
Here's some grey color mismatch for you. I like the way it looks actually.
>>29870135
>AR
>.223
Gross
>>29872274
Ok, care to explain that statement?
>>29872708
Not him but the point of developing intermediate cartridges was to increase capacity and reduce recoil for automatic fire.
It is illegal to own new production automatic weapons in the united states.
>inb4 bumpfiring, I'll just pull trigger really fast, muh controlled pair etc.
There is literally no reason to own a gun chambered in an intermediate cartridge, they have shit ballistics compared to something like 7.62 NATO
>>29872708
Poor barrier penetration or poor terminal ballistics.
Even mk262 won't fragment beyond 300m
>>29858946
The SCAR Mk 17 wasn't dropped, at all.
>>29867338
Fuck off noguns
If you're in the market for a .308 battle rifle, they're pretty much the best you're going to get. I've 2 of the 17S and 1 16S.
>>29873118
>I've 2 of the 17S and 1 16S
Let's see 'em.
>>29872830
>>29872960
Slow morning in Australia today, lads?
> No reason for .223 when .308 exists
Except for being a more economical solution for varmints, feral hogs, coyotes, and whitetail under 80lbs. I'll also be sure to tell police forces in every U.S. state that they never have to worry about follow up shots, because an anon either believes the never occur or that .308 has as little recoil as a .223.
>>29872960
You aren't the military, anon. You have access to a wonderful assortment of spire point .224 bullets that expand beautifully between 12-18" for shooting 2-legged varmints. Obviously, if you have to shoot people out past 300yards, then .308 is the better option.
>>29873196
It's that I'm not in the military anymore that I prefer .308.
Barrier blind .223 has terrible terminal ballistics.
Just bought a SCAR and an ACR on gunbroker, will post pics in a few weeks
>>29873248
Assuming you have a spare M-forgery lying around, look into the bonded Federal Fusion .223
Excellent terminal ballistics on whitetail and hogs, and you can often find them for $0.80 a round.
Winchester power points and Federal Trophy Bear Claw are also nice, but I rarely find them under $1.00.
>>29873319
The .223 can be made to perform well in certain things. I like mk262 for HD. Those bonded rounds are acceptable on sub 100lb thin skin game.
.308 is more versatile
>>29873319
Got the Federal Fusion at 0.75/rnd at my LGS.
Ohio says hi
>>29868804
But if I don't then no one will know my AR is better than your AR.
It's all about how much you want to feel operator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08kSncpUnUo
>>29869451
Doesn't really matter when chances are that the person shooting it will not be fashion sensitive/matching their kit.
>>29876221
>implying fifty shades of brown isn't specifically for the fashion sensative.
Fuck monotone
>>29876221
Hey! You shut the fuck about our uniforms, faggot >:^(
When my cat D licence comes back omg.
>>29873697
> Hogs
> Thin skinned game
You are right that the .308 is the more versatile round though, particularly for hunting. I know people claim they've taken elk with .223, but I'd feel more comfortable with .308.
>>29874197
Way to rub it in, Ohio. I hope you had to play Guess How Deep the Pothole goes especially often this spring.
>>29858318
There are going to be a lot of shitty anons in this thread who do not own, or have never even owned a scar giving you their opinions.
The SCAR is an excellent rifle, and I have absolutely no complaints about it. I have the 16S, and it's my favorite shooting intermediate caliber rifle between my AR's (both piston and DI) and my AK.
It's recoil is almost non existent, it's ergos are good, it's accurate as fuck, and it's sexy.
Also, the price is NOT going to go down. People have been saying this since they first came out, and the price has stayed steady if not gone up with inflation.
>>29880858
For shits and giggles I checked gunbroker after reading this threa. Just about every rifle on there:
>starting bid $1999.99
>current bid $2250, reserve not met
>buy it now $2800
Welp fuck any ideas about that rifle I guess.
>>29869451
Its dumb that they cant deliver a rifle in one single color.
Its even dumber that their laziness is like 2% practical since different shading means better camouflage.
>>29880858
Price fluctuates on them routinely.
>>29869451
What IS that!? A moose with internal antlers?!
