How does /k/ feel about reloading? Money saver or life ender?
Why would you think there's anything wrong with reloading?
Just focus and don't be an idiot.
>Spend 0.07 for a 7.62x39 round and shoot it
OR
>Spend 2 hours reloading a 0.06 round
I really want to get into high volume shooting and have a reason to reload.
>>29856375
I wish 7.62x39 was $0.07/round.
if you are getting into some high end autism long distance shooting, you reload.
if the complete round has an insane price when purchased new, you reload.
if the round doesn't really exist anymore, 7.62x45mm, you reload.
>>29856375
>7.63x39 is 7c a round
>It takes 2 hours to reload a round
Second post in the thread and we're already noguns.
>>29856375
In 2 hours I can crank out around 500 rounds.
>But if you were working you could...
Firstly, I'm salaried. I won't make more money by being in my lab longer.
Secondly, it's fun and a hobby.
Thirdly, if you shoot military surplus rifles (like I do) then this is the cheapest and most reliable way to find ammo. When was the last time you saw a box of 8x50r Lebel on a store shelf? Better yet, when was the last time you saw one for $11 anywhere?
Finally, reloading makes me immune or resistant to ammo shortages during panic years like this one.
>>29856455
What is a good scource for bulk powders and what do you generally use for pistol, rifle and shotgun?
>>29856498
You'll need this
http://www.j-how.net/test/Lyman%2048th%20Reloading%20Handbook%20[blackatk].pdf
now go to powdervalley for your cheap powder.
>>29856498
>Rifle
IMR 4046 and 4895 almost exclusively.
>Pistol
W231. I don't load much for pistol though.
>Shotgun
Don't reload for it. Probably should, but I dont.
I either buy powder gun shows to avoid the Hazmat fee, or make huge (48lbs last time) orders from Midway or Natchez.
>>29856558
Abiut what is the average cost per pound and when are good deals generally to be found? Plan on going balls deep because I have a K11 on my way and 7.5 is getting a bit scarce.
>>29856588
If you can find powder locally for $30/lbs or less it's a pretty good deal. Online is around $25/lbs but that excludes shipping and Hazmat.
>>29856616
Thanks, so are blems okay for general purpose shooting or should I just shell out the extra couple dollars for the one that met QC?
>>29856519
>2002
>>29856792
There havent't been many advancements in powder from 14 years ago m8. Oh god, it's been 14 years since 2002, WHERE THE FUCK IS MY CASELESS AMMO.
Has anyone had experience with the new polymer coated bullets? Was thinking about pick some up as I have my first suppressor in ATF jail and was planning on loading some 148gr subsonics and thought they might be fun to use. Also what have people used/recommended for subsonic powders?
I only have a hand reloader for my .30-06, so I'll do batches of 30-50 at a time, then shoot the batch and reload. I did that for a while to practice and sight my rifle in properly. Now I'm sitting on a batch waiting for hunting season. I'll go shoot occasionally to stay into it, but I'm focusing more on pistol now.
So I shoot pistols matches about once a month, and I buy ammo for that since I don't want to invest in a press at this time. I just give my spent brass to the shoot organizer in lieu of paying the fee, so I guess it all works out.
>>29856836
I shot a box with a friend and they seem to work fine, no unusual fouling or marrs on the barrel, this was full poly jacket though, not even sure if they make hollowpoints in poly coating
>>29856654
You mean the casings? Buy stuff that met QC. Don't blow your face off to save a few bucks.
>>29857008
I mean the progectiles, I'll just save the brass I do have.
>>29857020
Projectile wise as long as you're happy with less than 99% accuracy (basically how accurate do you wanna be?) They're gtg. They won't be as accurate but often they'll get the job done.
>>29856375
>>Spend 0.07 for a 7.62x39 round and shoot it
Is it 1980 again?
How to get into reloading? I was looking at presses, and it seems like a turret press would best suit my needs. Would this be good for a beginner? I'd only be reloading 5.56, .308, 300blk, 44 mag, 9mm, and 12 ga. Do I need a separate press for shotgun shells? Or would I be able to swap turrets? Would this be a good press to get started? http://www.amazon.com/Lee-Precision-Classic-Turret-Press/dp/B003BWTF1E
>>29857034
As long as it's about as accurate as the GP11 I suppose I'll be happy, definitly will get Sierras or something for hunting and sighting in though, no point in making an animal suffer for a 10 cent per round savings.
>>29857061
Shells require a different type of press, Lee makes one for like $50. That press you have is fine but you need other shit like the primer feeder, powder thrower, etc etc.
I have a legitimately stupid question.
A coworker of mine joked about making some .22 handloads for hunting. Can you even reload rimfires? Much less .22s.
>>29856375
When the moon is right and Saturn is in the house of Venus, components come together and I can make Garand pressure 30-06 for $0.20 a round. It won't be true match, but it'll shoot about a 1.5 inch group at 100 yards.
>>29857108
I think you theoretically COULD, but I'm gonna guess it'd be a fuckton of effort.
I mean, they have to be initially loaded somehow so I bet you could reload them.
>>29857108
Yes.
>>29857108
You can pull bullets and make sure the powders and projectiles are as consitant as possible, which is what my retired uncle does for competitive target shooting. Can't reload unless you hammer out the crushed rim and carefully drop lead styphnate wich is frankly even less reliable than before though.
What equipment do I need to make stupid shotgun shell reloads? Things like bees, batteries, nails, steel spikes, napalm, and confetti.
>>29857180
These and a press.
>>29857108
Probably need some specialty shit to reload it, but I don't see it being impossible. But unless we're in a famine like Sandy Hook level shit for.22, then for that caliber not as much reason.
Excluding CCI mini mag, you can get it at Gander or Cabela's now for like 5-7 cents a round.
>>29857192
The stains on those instructions aren't from diet mountain dew....who are you...where did you come from and why are you here.
>>29856792
>being noguns
one realizes most calibers in use have been around since before 2002, yes?
>>29858790
You're being stupid. Powders, bullets, etc... Has changed.
However he's being stupid for thinking that manual isn't still relevant enough to reload based off of.
>>29858907
I actually own the lyman 48th and 49th manual.
I can tell you they are almost the same book on most calibers. Bullet companies tend to keep making the same bullets, and powders really don't change much.
In short, nuh uh, you're stupid.
>>29859289
Man if nothing has changed all that much I guess I should be using these seeing as I only paid 20 bucks to get them.
>>29859663
>he thinks those don't have some good information in them
Go for it champ. If you lack the critical thinking to be unable to differentiate 14 years verses I'm guessing about 70, then lead the way?
>>29859663
Using older manuals is fine, just follow the standard rule of reducing a new (I.E. one you have not tested before) load by 10% and you'll be fine.
>>29859748
50 years is not a lot of time. Neither is 14. But a lot changes and changes happen quickly.
>>29859791
Using newer manuals is almost always better though.
>>29859796
Powder does not change that much. There is always changes between lots but on the whole the information is valid.
>>29859796
We are going in such circles I feel like we are dancing sir.
Let us agree that we prioritize things differently, but likely have both developed methods that work for us?
Also, what do you reload? I am always curious to see what people are building.
>>29856792
>7.62x54r is 125 years old
>>29859808
Not that much. My manuals are a decade old, and the data for the majority the loads I use go back before I was born.
>>29856811
The answer is in the G11 thread
>>29856375
>7 cents a round
Tell me where the fuck you're getting this ammo! I need it!
>>29857180
>napalm
Remember while ago, a komrad did set a forest afire with napalm shells. Care anon!
>>29856350
Pays for itself if you shoot many oddball rounds. Obv a progressive setup will crank out more but will cost more. Single stage does the job, it's just more time consuming. The way I see it, the time I spend reloading used to be spent shitposting, watching tv, and playing video games. So it's worth it.
>>29856836
I got some and they all got fucked up when reloading. the plastic shears right off. wast of 500 bullets.
>>29861609
They do that, m8. You need to make a pretty aggressive flare and then crimp down, the polymer messes with the diameter a bit, especially if they use just standard size core.
>>29861907
i dont have a flare die for 9mm :<
>>29862450
They come with the die set.
>>29862542
the Lee die set came with case sizer, bullet seater, powder funnel attachment and crimper but no flare. not really worth it to flare all my bullets as I use a single stage press and it would take a lot of time.
>>29862830
don't really need flare unless you reload cast bullets
>>29862830
How do you charge the powder into your cases?
The flaring die is the one you usually dump powder through...
>>29862855
ahh then I do have it I just thought that was a die for multi-stage presses for powder to go into. I just use a funnel to charge the case since normal copper jacketed 9mm don't need flare.
well I might as well give that a go since I have 450 more of these plastic bullets sitting here.
>>29863051
Just dig out the directions, it shows you how to set it up in the handout, basically, just insert it enough that it slightly flairs the neck at the end of the down stroke & lightly catches the bottom of the die on the upstroke, knocking all powder into the case.
Good luck,
If you end up with wrinkles you're doing it wrong!
>>29856350
I've a 2% failure rate with Federal primers possibly the gun shops fault if old or improperly stored, IDK but a 2% failure rate is unacceptable for defense carry and it's the worst kind of failure because its' a possible delayed fire. In a revolver in particular that can be truly devastating.
I also never saved money reloading but I was paying retail and loading some heavy hot loads.
My recommendation is that unless you're chasing super pinpoint accuracy at a 1000 yards or your plan is to reload 1000's of rounds for cheap plinking, don't bother.
I've been meaning to sit down and reload 500 or 1000 rounds straight through on my single stage just to see what kind of savings I can see
I'd do it on 45 because that is incredibly money saving
>>29863405
9mm cost 0.3$ in stores here per round I reload for 0.16$ so that saves me $0.14 per round or $140 per 1000 which I easily shoot in a month.
5.56 cost 0.4$ in stores here per round and I reload for 0.2$ per round saving me $200 per 1000 rounds and I shoot about 400 a week.
I load 75 grain 5.56 at 0.25$ a round and I can't even buy that around here but if I could it would cost probably 0.5$ to 0.7$ per round so that's $250 to $450 saved per 1000 rounds.
if you shoot a lot its worth it even for cheap ammo.
>>29857161
you dont have to hammer out the crushed rim on a 22
just gotta hope the firing pin doesnt hit the same spot and youve got a pretty good chance of that
not really worth the effort to reload 22lr though
>>29863901
>per round
Please stop
Price per box mang
I won't reload 5.56 because I have a single stage and I don't buy in big enough bulk to save money over Wolf gold at $6 a box
That said, I do 45 because that sweet sweet $17 a box savings
308 isn't worth it either as long as the ZQI keeps flowing
That said, I do defense ammo in 9mm and want to do it in 308 as well because it saves a lot of money in soft points and hollow points
>>29856350
Anybody got sources for 7.62x54r reloading supplies?
Dies, cases, and primers. I hear .311 are the bullets I should be getting?
If you're shooting pricey ammo it pays to reload.
Check this out, a 30$ loader practically pays for itself the first time you use it. No special tools or workspace needed.
http://youtu.be/3duhNVjAu6E
Rimfire just isn't worth reloading but the brass is still recyclable.
All brass is worth recycling, because mining is a bitch.
>>29864013
308s work fine
Dies are literally anywhere including google, cases are from boxes of Wolf Gold, and primers I believe are just large rifle
>>29864180
>If you're shooting pricey ammo it pays to reload.
Unless you're shooting 10 rounds every time you go out of your special snowflake ammo, the minimum you should be getting is a single stage
>>29864013
Most 7.62 russian calibers prefer .311
Slug your bore to find out.
>>29864492
>Most 7.62 russian calibers prefer .311
Objectively wrong
Most shooters see an accuracy increase when using 308
I don't reload but I hope to get the stuff and take a local class at the reloading shop next year.
Aside from hopefully cheaper ammo, it is also more environmentally friendly to reuse items instead of just pitching it and buying more.
The main reason though is because my Grandfather used to reload. He is dead now and I hope it will be a way to keep some connections with him now that he is gone.
>>29864514
Sure they do friend. But I'll just be over here with my three mosins, all of which have good rifling, and bores that slugged at .309-310.
But you keep on dropping bullets down your barrel, and enjoy hitting cans at a hundred feet.
>>29864648
>Sure they do friend
>I don't have any information to dispute your claim, but I'll act smug so I don't have to provide any evidence to the contrary
>and bores that slugged at .309-310.
Irrelevant
>>29864569
More power to you. Did you get any of his dies and what have you?
>>29864663
You're a funny little guy. You think I'm going to argue with you? My friend, you are saying that a 308 diameter bullet is going to do better in a .310 bore than a .311 bullet. You are saying that every reloading table for 7.62x54 I've ever seen is wrong.
No, I'm not going to really argue with you. You argument itself has done that job for me.
But, I like you, so I'm gonna tell you two things really quick.
The first is that a bullet that doesn't contact rifling evenly is not going to be very accurate.
The second is that mosins were made with rather hilarious variation in bore diameter. Hell, most war time guns of the first half of the twenty century were. Mosin bores can legitimately vary from .308 to .314. Thus, if you are reloading for one, you really should slug your bore.
>>29864569
No. He lived on the east coast and I live in MO. My bitch of an aunt sold anything of value and dumpstered everything else.
My mom and my uncle have no idea what happened to his guns or reloading gear.
He did make a special car trip down before he died and brought some stuff. My mom got his old Marlin model 60 and I got his fly tying gear and a hat.
>>29864785
is meant for
>>29864671
>>29863960
how many are in the box?
>>29864785
Ahh, Christ.
Well, treasure the hat and the fly tying stuff.
>>29864013
>>29864492
>>29864514
You really do need to slug your bore to be sure. They can vary a lot. It's not hard to do, but don't use a fishing weight like the guides often suggest. Even the ones that say "pure lead" today aren't and are way too hard. [I learned this firsthand] A soft swaged lead bullet in .32-.38 would be better.
The surplus 7.62x54 I have measured .310. .308 at least is safe if you aren't sure.
>>29864785
That's a shame, anon. I know what you mean because started with my granddad's reloading gear. Honestly he could be a bit cheap and most of the stuff wasn't worth keeping, but I still have the CH dies in their original boxes and polished up his nice Wilson case trimmer, which is almost exactly like the ones Wilson still sells today.
>>29864180
Why? I think, it does for even a conventional calibers.
224 bullet - $0.09
https://www.americanreloading.com/en/223-556-projectiles/742-223-55-gr-hornady-g1-soft-point-projectile-500-ct.html
Brass - $0.067
http://www.amazon.com/Unknown-5-56-Brass-1000/dp/B00C6SI63W/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1462620868&sr=8-3&keywords=5.56+brass
Powder ~ $0.1
http://www.selwayarmory.com/alliant-ar-comp-smokeless-gun-powder-8-lbs-hazmat-fee-required.html
Primer - $0.022
http://www.selwayarmory.com/sellier-bellot-large-rifle-primers-box-of-1000-hazmat-fee-required.html
So, one round is $0.279, whereas the cheapest comparable ammo I could find goes for $0,3095
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=AWG223FMJ55&name=WOLF+GOLD+.223%2f5.56X45+55grn+FMJ+20rd+box&groupid=21
Also, brass, generally speaking, can be reused up to ~5 times, which means even more shekels spent.
>>29863901
I am miring the fuck out of your shooting habits. That'll git u gud.
>tfw would love to do the same thing but should probably save the money right now
>>29866922
Sheeeeiiit, saved, I've ment.
>>29866922
You can use brass a lot more than 5x. I generally average 10 loads per case.
>>29856350
my uncle reloads on the daily because he shoots regularly. If you arent going shooting at least 3 or 4 times a week, reloading is a waste of time and you wont be saving very much money; paying for all that equipment you'll be buying to reload. Unless you just want to learn a new skill, you'll be 3000 dollars poorer, and probably not get very skilled at it.
Its a lot of measurements and and repetitive practice. so thats my experience with reloading. it looks cool and sounds fun, and when SHTF you could be a supplier of boolets, but other than that, you're better off just buying your bullets. You wont be wasting that much more money in the long run.
>>29863901
anon gets it. for people who actually shoot instead of talk about shooting, go online and think about buying more guns, and shitpost, reloading is almost always worth the money unless you're sponsored and get ammo for free
>>29863314
I've reloaded in excess of 50k rounds in the last 35 years. The only primer failure I have had is when not fully seated. That includes primers that have sat around for 10+ years. I always make sure primers are fully seated now.
I've got a Mauser rechambered to 7.62 nato that I'd like to reload for. Are there any nato dies? Almost Everything I've seen says to get 308 dies. I saw one post where some said dies made for m1a or m14 are 7.62 nato spec. Anybody confirm?
What's the price per round if you reload 7.62 nato? Should I even bother with the zqi flowing in? I'd kind of like to make some loads that have a little but reduced pressure as my bolt can be kind of hard to open after firing sometimes.
I feel like the people obsessing over costs as a justification for reloading are missing the biggest real benefit, which is the ability to fine-tune your load to achieve the best possible accuracy in your particular gun. as far as the costs are concerned, I think the case with most reloaders is that you never "save" any money, you just shoot that much more.
where the cost per shot savings really becomes significant is if you want to shoot old rifles in fuck-you calibers like 41 Swiss center-fire or .43 Dutch Beaumont, or 7.5x54.5 (GP90)
>>29868566
specifically which Mauser? spanish M1916?
the .308 conversion on these is a little sketchy because the hotter hunting loads that are available are a bit much for that action. the later "large ring" mausers are safe though. either way, .308 dies are just fine, the only things you really need to be concerned with is powder charge, as you'll want to mimic the chamber pressure of the standard NATO spec stuff.
>>29868652
Man I really want a cg 63 but all the ones I see online the barrels are starting to go bad. First in the grooves, bores are dark. How nice is the action and trigger on a good cg 63? Is it worth getting one and shooting until it needs a new barrel and replace it or should I just get a new savage target rifle and add aperture sights?
>>29868699
It's not the 1916. It's an fr8 built off an m43. It's all good in the hood niggas. Okay I'll just get 308 dies then.
There is a gunsmith by me that makes custom dies to what ever specification I want. Ill have to call him and see what it costs maybe I'll have him make some 7.62nato dies.
Any shotshell reloaders here?
How important is the crimp pressure in terms of patterning comparative to wads, powder, shot, ect?
>>29868736
7.62 and 308 are dimensionally the same. There is zero difference when it comes to dies.
>>29868710
for the money, the savage is gonna be hard to beat. I'd say if you can find a CG63 with a good bore for under $850 it'd be worth it. I just like to be able to bring older interesting guns to HP matches rather then the boring AR's most of the other guys tend to run.
>>29856436
>Second post in the thread and we're already noguns.
Actually most Brits reload instead of buy.
Pic vaguely related.
>>29868736
I'd just safe the money for some more oddball carriage unless you have some serious autism about milspec. The main issue regarding .308 going into 7.62 NATO rifle are the increased pressures involved with commercial ammo and the weaker brass used for 7.62.
7.62 is slightly longer and if you fire commercial .308 it can lead to problems with case ruptures, but again this is more an issue of pressures
>>29856350
What's a conservative estimate on how many rounds you can reload in an hour?
>>29868793
Nothing you just said is in any way true.
Cartridge dimensions are identical, pressures are the same just measured differently, 7.62 brass tends to have a thicker web and be stronger for machine gun use.
>>29868803
depends entirely on how much you feel like spending on your reloading equipment. A lee loader might take you a couple hours to do 50 rounds. a high end progressive press might do that in a few minutes.
>>29868814
well the one bit about not spending money on custom 7.62 dies was true enough, we can at least give him THAT
>>29868783
I personally love Mauser and I enjoy shooting bolt actions more the semis which is why I want one. If you go to Simpsons Ltd they have a bunch of them for sale, I just don't know how much frost is acceptable. I've been looking for a cg72(?) or a cg80 as well but haven't found any.
Savage makes a new target rifle in.260 Remington which is pretty damn close to 6.5x55 and I could just slap some nice appeture on it and call it a day.... I just don't know...
>>29868831
Can you ballpark the prices of those two investments?
I'm inheriting a bunch of guns and want to start getting into the whole gun culture thing to make contacts, but I'm also frugal.
>>29868845
A single stage would be like 250ish after some dies, scale and calipers, reamers are bought. a progressive is probably going to be closer to 500ish for the press alone.
if you choose to go balls deep into progressives here's a decent comparison of the big brands http://www.comrace.ca/cmfiles/dillonLeeHornadyComparison.pdf
>>29868841
got mine from simpson's a little over a year ago. it was one of the last ones left with an "excellent" bore at the time. I wasn't about to compromise on that, especially since I was intending to use it in matches. good luck with any of the newer variants, there's hardly any of them floating around in this country.
getting a 63 with a shitty bore and re-barreling it might not be a bad way to go, aside from the brazed-on bit for the front sight, it should be a fairly straightforward job I would imagine. I think it's worth it anyway, that action is just such a joy to cycle, and the stripper clips for it are probably the best ones ever made by any country. it makes me so happy every time I take it to the range
>>29856350
I can't not reload, loaded 50 match .223's last night. I reload for literally every caliber I shoot besides .22lr.
>been doing it for 8yrs
>haven't purchased factory ammo since
>>29868845
Also:
Thoughts on .400 Corbon for getting into reloading?
I'm inheriting a lot of .45 stuff but I always hated the ballistics of it when I got to shoot it growing up. Plus it was designed to be reloader friendly.
>>29869062
It's worth reloading for that but depending on how much you plan on shooting it a single or turret press might be a more affordable option. Progressives are if you plan on churning out a lot of rounds in short order, in which case it gets to the point where it might actually be worth it for you to start with 9mms and the such.
Also who doesn't love .45?
>>29869101
>Also who doesn't love .45?
Grew up under a guy who doesn't own 9mm. Ancient 1911 army model with a broken extractor. I hated that thing. The rounds flew like lobbing rocks and you couldn't hit a man at 30 feet compared to a revolver.
The .45 design is ancient and not in the good way.
Then I got to shoot a .357 Sig. I still want one to this day.
I'm inheriting a bunch of old-school stuff from a guy who was into that. I respect collectables, but I'm not into past-generation worship. EG I'd rather sell the AR's I inherited for a matured bullpup platform.
>>29868980
Ahhh I'm so jealous man. Ill have to see if Simpsons has any excellent bore ones left. How the reloading cost on 6.5x55?
>>29869166
>The rounds flew like lobbing rocks and you couldn't hit a man at 30 feet
...were you given black powder rounds or something? that is not at all what I experience with any other .45, rattled out gun or not.
>>29869217
wrong pic
>>29868793
>7.62 is slightly longer and if you fire commercial .308 it can lead to problems with case ruptures, but again this is more an issue of pressures
Nigger. Just get Lapua Brass or PMP Brass never had a pressure problem.
>>29869242
Crop that pic to 100 yard, it's not very useful. I mean you could notice the bullet drop in under 50 yards.
I don't mean they dropped significantly in 30 feet either, the gun was just shit and inaccurate.
>>29856350
I <3 my Dillon 650
I can load just about as fast as I can shoot
>>29856350
So I did some math using an online calculator for raw components looking at .30 M1 carbine rounds.
30$ / lb of powder
110 grain per round
1000 primers for 33$
1000 cases for 230 $
1000 bullets for 173$
907$ per 1000 rounds... BEFORE tax.
300-400$ per 1000 rounds NEW.
http://www.handloads.com/calc/loadingCosts.asp
Hilariously the default costs in that calculator are half the current market prices for components.
Guess I'm going back to airguns.
>>29868803
Single stage press / hand press: 50/hr
Turret press: 150-200/hr
Progressive: 300-800/hr
This is dependent on your equipment, caliber, and desired level of precision.
>>29869888
Am I looking at this right?
If powder is 20$ / lb at best, then for 100 grains:
$0.29/round JUST in powder.
>>29869888
You know you can reuse brass right? It gets ammortised over it's lifespan.
No way in hell you are fitting 110 grains of powder into an M1 case either.
>>29869888
>>29869982
>>29869951
Fuck me I need sleep. I plugged in the first grains data off google for that round, 110 grain is the bullet.
I don't do reloading, sue me.
15 grains, 5x shots per brass case:
25$ powder, 30$x1000 primer, 5000x225$ cases, 1000x225$ bullets:
0.35$ per round.
On par with commercial then.
I still don't see the point then.
>>29870018
Yuo can put as much care as you want in to it to vastly exceed factory or you can actually shop around and buy components bulk to beat factory price.
>>29869888
$0.036 for powder (13 gr Alliant 2400)
$0.027 for primer (CCI 400)
$0.175 for bullet (110 gr FMJ)
$0.047 for brass (amortized over 5 uses)
>>29870054
see>>29870018
~0.35$
I can buy at 0.30$ a round, which is the sum of your estimate cost.
So, again, no purpose. At best you'd save 1 cent per round.
>>29870079
Only stuff I can find that cheap is steel case crapped out of a slav factory.
Are you actually comparing the shittiest possible produced ammo to something made from new american components?
>>29870127
>implying cheap steel rounds don't fire
Brass new is 0.40 cents.
0.10 cents savings with a 500$+ investment... I'd have to go through 5000 to 10,000 rounds just to break even. Which would cost me 1500-3000$ at .30 cent reloads.
Fuck it I think I'm going to buy one of those big-bore airguns.
>>29870168
You will probably never wear out a peice of brass. You can also buy it used or reload the steel case if you want to save money.
I agree that air guns sounds better. Maybe when you actually start shooting or owning more guns you might reconsider reloading.
>>29856558
>48 lb order of gunpowder
How quickly did a man in a suit knock on your door?
>>29856811
>he doesn't handload his caseless ammo
On a serious note, how would that even work? Would you have a mold that you use to press the charge into shape?
>>29870202
OK lets assume 0$ cost for brass. We don't load it very hot and anneal it. Lasts forever.
25$/pound powder
33$/1000 primers
... shit wait 90$ per 1000 bullets? I saw and was calculating it as about on par with brass.
Cutting brass from old calculation:
28 cent rounds.
Realizing bullets are cheaper than I thought (~100$ per thousand):
19 cents per round.
OK, ~30% savings over literally the cheapest ammo you can buy. Not the worst ever, but we're assuming the brass is a one time purchase ever.
I wonder if you could make Trounds for a Dardick.
>>29870259
There is also the fact that you can reload for other calibers- pistol cals probably offer more savings and across the board you can load for accuracy. 30 carbine isn't that popular so components probably won't be competitively priced.
>>29870313
Honestly I just want to shoot my 1896 Krag Jorgensen but the brass alone starts at 65 cents.
>>29870259
If you don't think a 30% savings is worth it then you obviously don't shoot very much. It's possible to have you entire reloading rig payed for in a couple weekends with the savings you're posting.
some cartridges are worth reloading, some are not.
>>29866922
Don't 5.56 use small rifle primers?
>>29870452
yes
>>29856350
you probably won't save money.
you might enjoy it though, which is why we do half of this shit anyway
it is appealing to be able to make your own ammo
it's actually very useful if you have strange rounds like Japanese 7.7mm
you definitely increase your chance of getting lead poisoning. when you are cleaning brass you have to make sure you have your cleaner covered and you aren't breathing it in because lead vapor is pretty dangerous.
it's a hobby.
>>29870620
You will never encounter lead vapour when reloading. You will have dust from the primer residue that's hazardous but you get more exposure from shooting at poorly vented indoor ranges.
>>29856350
I have to make my own rounds from scratch. rather hard to find Rubber casing for my .50 cal smith carbine.
so i buy blocks of thermoplastic rubber on ebay and mold my own casings.
>>29868803
>>29868831
>>29869926
oh man 50 rounds an hour for single stage? even Micheal J Fox could do better.
I reload 100 9mm rounds in 20 minutes with 0.1 grain accuracy and I reload 100 .223 rounds in 25 minutes with 0.05 grain accuracy. once you get a system you go fast.
priming 100 rounds takes me less than 5 minutes, depriming 100 takes less than 10 including time to lube cases. 35-40 minutes per 100 rifle rounds tops and 30 minutes for 100 pistol rounds tops using Lee single stage press.
My rifle rounds would go faster but atm I'm loading 10 sets of 10 different loads every time for my 100 round boxes.
My high end 44 mag reloads with hornady xtp slugs cost me less than 40 cents a piece. Buying that new would be over a dollar a round.
>>29870689
Pretty cool. Recently started seeing them at the gunshows.
Got a picture of the molds?
>>29870259
one thing you don't consider is reloaded ammo is on par or better than high end match ammo so your price comparison falls through right there. if all you want to do is shoot dirty cheep 3rd world steel shit then forget about reloading. reloading is for people who care about their ammo.
>>29870689
Tell us more and post pics. You seem smarter than all the tripniggers combined
>>29870620
just shoot FMJ and youll never have to worry
>>29866922
Also don't forget to factor in the fact that an experienced reloader can have loads that are more accurate than bulk commercial
>>29870723
>>29870738
I'm on campus atm, not home so alas i can't provide photos.
Its not very complex though. i used a Mill at my uni to make a male and female die out of wood. they kind of look like a cupcake tray with multiple molds. i can make 10 rounds per die cast this way.
I heat the rubber in a pot over my stove until it flows well. i spray some cooking oil on the Dies so the rubber doesn't stick. once the rubber is in. i clamp the two dies together and let it cool.
the rubber casings can also be re-used many times after a good cleaning. i have some that i have been firing for over 2 years now.
>>29870168
.30 caribe isn't a fucking big money cartridge to begin with you fucktwat, it's a plinking cartridge that you used to be able to get for current .22lr prices.
maybe you should price out commercial versus reloaded .44mag or match .308...
