Can special forces choose what weapons they use? What are the limitations?
No idea but I'm mirin them pants hard.
>>29841264
Those are some pretty spectacular pants
No. Because Special Operations has its own budget under socom, they can acquire gear that's different than the rest of the military, and they can afford to buy the best of the best. But acquisition is still a high level command sort of thing. Operators may give feedback on weapons, (that's why they don't use SCARs or 416s anymore and started using block II socom m4s), but ultimately it's some bureaucrats who pick their guns.
>>29841083
>those pants
>>29841083
>dem pants
>dat stance
>dat nigga with the binocs
>shouldering a pig and firing with no brace
operator as fuck
>>29841346
Why did they stop using 416s? I've only used 417s, but they were really good.
>>29841346
Really? Last I heard the SOCOM guys were all about the SCAR and 416. What happened?
>>29841083
Isn't the french foreign legion the only legion that allows people to use own gear?
>>29841083
Seriously though, them pants
>>29841400
Too heavy, didnt do anything an m4 couldn't
>>29841406
Scar17 yes, for a while. Scar 16 has all of its weight in the middle of the gun, that made it whip a little more on recoil, and it doesn't suppress as well. They never really used them. The 17s getting used less in favor of more 5.56 rifle, mainly block II socom rifles. It was being used mostly for those longer engagement distances in Afghanistan, and still sees use there, but Iraq (again) is the hotspot. The new h&k csass rifle will probably replace the use of Recee ar15s, sprs, and the most importantly the SCAR, at least for army groups
So is that guy blousing by tucking into his boots or what
>those pants
>>29841490
Yes.
>>29841396
Based ...airforce?
>>29841264
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>>29841437
you just fold your bdus over when you put on your boots it's not anything special. woodland is sex as fuck tho.
>>29841603
They look like joggers.
>>29841083
>>29841264
>>29841289
>>29841365
>>29841396
>>29841437
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>>29841680
Lets all just take a minute to admire how fucking amazing those pants are.
>>29841083
>Can special forces choose what weapons they use?
just a bunch of air fags dude.
the pig came with with the bipod attached for a reason...guess why?
>>29841083
that "style" of blousing the bdu's was in vogue for a short time.
pretty obvious why it died out.
>>29841827
/k/ - Pants
>>29842047
>pretty obvious why it died out
It was too sexy?
>>29842047
I still do it every time I put on my uniform. Of course, I'm maintenance, I don't give a fuck.
>>29841680
The bottoms of the legs do, but the tops look more like cargo pants.
idk, but i've heard that some russian special forces sometimes use m4 and wha not because they find them more ergonomic
>>29841083
>Can special forces choose what weapons they use? What are the limitations?
I was an 18C (combat engineer) for 7 years from 03 through 10. and no, you pick what's appropriate for the theater, the AO, the OP and ROE. you also want to travel light because you will carry a lot of tools and survival gear to the point that you need to save weight as much as you can.
you do get to ask for some stuff if it makes sense and gets approved. i carried an older M4 with 3rd burst rather than full auto because i preferred it and it felt lighter to me. had a super short barrel on it than a normal M4 though.
some stuff like PVS and EWSG are standardized. CO isn't going to auth SMAWs or whatever if you aren't going up against any armor, same for 92's or 148's. i generally always got grenades of different kinds, small arms, and various tools like bolt cutters or det cord and different kinds of explosives, et c.
probably the only thing you can do 100% on your own is basic clothing (as long as it makes sense) and some comfort stuff like i always get tea instead of instant coffee.
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>>29842092
Does/did the army not into boot bands like the USMC?
Does the USMC still even into bands?
>>29842152
I'm Air Force, yes blousing straps/boot bands/whatever-you-call-them are around, and I do use them on occasion (when I need to look presentable).
>>29842217
So it's a standard issue thing, just depends on when you do or don't use them?
What do you do otherwise? Just tuck into boots, or use the laces wrapped around the top?
>>29842143
what does an 18C do? i mean i imagine a 18B shoots guns and teaches people how to shoot, a 18D fixes people/teaches that to others...
>>29841083
Ill reply because I was an Opsup for SOTG and SASR for 6 years.
No they don't get to pick and choose. it generally comes out in orders what they will be doing and they will come see us for mission specific gear. Weapons wise though, they will come to us with a list of gear the want in order of preference.
In saying that we can get them anything shipped overnight/1-2days. And if your RQMS is a boss cunt like ours was we got ANY weapons they asked as their 1st preference and the RQMS delt with the budget and any nosy rank. That's for deployments but in barracks we have pretty much any weapon in the armory that they need and they come get what they want.
>>29841483
what about the whole shooting from water meme videos where the 416 doesnt explode but the m4 does
>>29842152
Yes, the military uses boot bands. Can't speak for Army or AF, but USMC and Navy still blouse their boots. Looks professional and keeps dirt and critters off your legs in the field.
>>29842228
They're not issued, had to buy them. You always have to blouse your pants, so you can use the bands or tuck 'em into your boots. Most people use the bands unless they're deployed or in maintenance.
>>29842281
the AF does blousing or tucking as long as you aren't pegged like OP's guys are.
my day to day uniform doesn't require blousing my boots.
>>29842307
i always tucked when i wore ABU's, mainly because blousing bands seemed like a big pain.
>>29842228
When I was in the Air Force we were given them in basic. This was right before they did the new ABUs though so still woodland. Not sure if they kept it up. I always preferred them to just shoving my pants in my boots.
Same as the other AF guy, I always knew them a blousing straps
>>29842323
Same guy again with my shitty opinion this time. There were two types of fucks that always drove me crazy with those. The guys who tucked their shit all they way in their boots so no hang and the fucks that bloused them so low it was down to the bottom of the boot.Both looked like shit so I'm not sure why people did either
>>29842262
I moved into 18C from a 12B and prior to that was an 11M. It was pretty much the same: building/fortifying stuff, breaking/destroying things. I got a lot more training in demolitions and improvised explosives, more experience doing things like air assault and riverine actions, and completed the ranger course. even got a forklift certificate and can do earthmoving jobs (bulldozers, dump trucks, et c).
90% of the time i was functioning as a secondary grenadier/agunner/EOD/demoman. i also did some intelligence stuff on the job doing photo and map analysis, human intelligence gathering and a tiny amount of interpretation. had to take chemistry and math classes as well.
>>29842571
did you retire or are you working private sector?
let's just say i'm one of the dudes you call in if you need a JDAM in a hurry.
>>29841083
I didn't know the Army issued ERDL joggers
>>29842611
private. i work for Neptune Maritime Security now.
oh cool, were you a CCT or something?
>>29842648
nah, more like the afterburner and jamming coordinates into the bomb end of the equation.
>>29842659
sounds good; it was always A-10's and F-15's (i think) i worked with. had some reaper drones and one super hornet make a pizza run a couple times too. kinda sad that i never called in a spooky or spectre ever, usually we were too close to dawn so that transit time would be too dangerous after they orbited, delivered, and were rtb
>>29842615
those are air force and jungle boots are issued for tropical deployments. i wore them when i was on joint exercises in the Philippines.
>tfw no geissele'd 416
fugg
>>29842740
also those woodland pants are pure sex
>>29842747
>>29841083
> Tying your laces around your boots
No. Nuh-uh. Boner destroyed.
>>29841083
I know everyone else has said it already, but those are some nice fucking pants.
>>29842773
Whats wrong with that? I do that shit.
probably not, but they do get to play with some cool shit sometimes,i'm guessing for t&e.pic related
>>29841346
I thought Delta was super big on 416c's ?
>>29842773
agreed
>>29842792
looks like shit, tuck them into your boot like proper soldiers
whats up with the tight pant legs too.
>>29842773
>he doesn't tie his boots properly
>>29845139
>tucking in 8 inches of string into your boots
literally wrap around once and then tuck the left over for maximum aesthetics
>>29842047
I still saw a few people do it in recent years.
>>29841083
w2c slim fitting woodland pants?
>>29842773
One tie wrapped around excess tucked in upper boot.
>>29845153
>maximum aesthetics
fuckno
makes you look like some punkrock retard
>>29841083
I was not SF, but was in a unit called to attach to them, so I'll say what I saw. When it comes to rifles, they have a lot of leeway to put things together out of their issued parts. SOF/SF units get a ton of shit issued that accumulates in their armories, and unlike line troops, they are more trusted to put it together how they want.
There are SOPMOD block rifles, as well as random accessories from out of the big book of government deployment accessories which is bought by units. Not to mention they get all kinds of random gear gifted their way by manufacturers who are looking to gain government favor.
Some of their gear accumulates off-the-books because they get so much of it. At one point, a Special Forces unit just randomly gifted my unit a number of 10.3 upper receivers they didn't want anymore. Almost all the uppers had nonstandard, free floating handguards, and a few had odds and ends like flared magwells.
SF has a large variety of issued optics that accumulate and they pick from them within the constraints of the soldier's job. Again, there is more trust given to their pick, and they actually have a variety to pick from, compared to a line unit where you've got one type of magnified optic and one type of red dot, so no choices.
The rifles or uppers at least the SF used in country didn't need to be reconfigured for to vanilla for when going back stateside, so slapping new muzzles or rails on them was no biggie.
When it came to handguns, they tuned them how they wanted and a few used RMRs, but it was surprising how vanilla the handguns were. 90% used Berettas and the remainder used Glocks.
They used AR-10s or SCARs in .308. Never saw one touch an EBR. I don't even know if SF gets EBRs.
They tuned their rifles a lot, but they still followed an organized concept. They still had fireteams and guys filling certain roles. They still had automatic riflemen and assistent gunners and grenadiers.
>>29841365
The 80=90's were a good time my friend.
>>29845302
They had a team room full of local guns. Never saw them use those outside of a firing range. Maybe they would have for embedding, but for direct action, US guns were better. Our unit also had a room of local guns, and they were often in bad condition, so I understand not using them.
I'm sure that SF units have dedicated armories of foreign weapons that get inspected to make sure they don't explode. They train with all types. Been out with some SF at a random ass range inside the states as they practiced firing live RPG-7 rounds at static targets. So I'm sure for something like a sneeki Breeki embedding or LN training, they pull that stuff out, but it's likely a choice made by leadership to use.
where to cop tactical jodhpurs?
>>29842152
I used those. I loved them, but i didn't know they came from the marines.
>the more you know
>>29845165
buy them in the right size. wear them.
>>29841083
>airforce
>>29841603
/thread
It's like nobody here has ever bloused boots before. Oh, that right. We're on 4Chan.
>>29841083
I wouldn't know the limitations, but they certainly have more discretion than your average soldier.
>>29841083
It's been said a thousand times but I'll say it again, those are some fucking god tier aesthetics
>Dat woodland
>Dem pants, holy shit dem pants
>Tucked in > Blousing
>Olive drab jungle boots
>Dat stance
>Dat pig
>>29841346
>that's why they don't use SCARs or 416's anymore
But that's fucking wrong. SF, Rangers, and CAG *love* the SCAR17.
>and started using Block II SOCOM M4's
Actually all of third and seventh group are on mk18's, most SEAL teams are on either mk18's or MP7's, and CAG is using a bunch of custom build LWRC's with 11.5" barrels (as well as other shit). Rangers, which are only kinda SOF, use Bock II's, and everyone has access to them but they tend to not get used a lot.
>>29841400
Way too heavy for a direct replacement to the M4A1 that didn't actually do anything better than the M4A1. Though I do think they use some 417's. Why I'm not sure.
>>29842047
>pretty obvious why it died out
Because regulations changed and the "pinned" look is no longer authorized?
Or are you some faggot that thinks it looks bad?
>>29842108
Way to break regs. Such rebel.
>>29842152
Yes, they still get used in the Army. They're not issued though.
>>29842228
You can tuck the pant leg into the boot (the taught and preferred method, since it actually keeps critters and debris out of your boot, the main reason for blousing), or literally every uniform pant has blousing ties sewn into the cuffs (but those don't work for shit).
>or use the laces wrapped around the top?
One, that's dangerous. Two, you can't have visible laces by regulation, so no.
>>29842279
>tip barrel down 3 degrees
>all of that massive quarter ounce of water runs out of the gas tube
>no kaboomy M4
>>29842347
Both of them were out of regs then.
>must cover top of boot (no pinning)
>cannot go below third eyelet
>>29848189
>CAG
>LWRC
>SCAR 17
???
>>29841346
>that's why they don't use SCARs or 416s anymore
then please explain these
>>29842740
>>29842747
>>29842761
>>29841083
SEALs are getting HK VP9s in .50 A&E
>>29842152
The UK Armed Forces use them too
We call them "twisters"
>>29845139
Hahaha I'm a fucking Marine, we don't do that disgusting army bullshit.
>special forces
>posts airfags
Me thinks OP has an ulterior motive for this thread
>>29848960
>not fighting with style
fucking marines
