IWI btfo again.
3 inch groups with match grade ammo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4Azu7WdqWo
>>29824785
Does IWI getting BTFO never end?
>>29824785
cuz you're only supposed to use IWI M193
>>29824785
His eyes look like he just wants to end his misery.
>>29824785
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHhvbQZfjD4
muh TMP
>>29824785
IMI 77gr is not as good as Black Hills or Federal. Not surprised it printed worse groups than the others.
>>29825068
that IMI razor core stuff is actually pretty tits, the 69 gr stuff groups just as well as my 77 gr black hills ammo
>>29825152
Fuck off tripshit.
>>29825270
get fucked cuck.
What's the twist rate?
>>29825292
How do you make those pictures?
>>29825313
http://www.ontargetshooting.com
be sure to set your reference distance when using it.
>>29825312
1:7
>>29824785
Yea, supposedly there's something wrong with the barrels on the new X95s.
>>29825332
Thanks
>>29825068
not sure about iwi but the cbc mk262 clone stuff is pretty good too and much cheaper than iwi
>>29824785
Seems like him circumcising the gun didn't help
>>29825292
Is that a 6 round group? I don't really understand what you're doing.
>>29825411
kek
What's it get with xm193?
>>29825418
I loaded an extra by accident, whatever.
Why wouldn't you just buy an AUG?
>>29825503
The aug gets 3 moa with match too. Better with light loads, 1.5 moa.
>>29825518
Bummer. Does anyone make a 20" barrel for the AUG with a 1-in-8 or tighter twist?
>>29825518
That's patiently false. The next time I take my AUG to the range I'll do a few shots, I only shoot commercial stuff and I always hover around 2'' with good commercial stuff, I don't have any match stuff right now but I get some before then I'll try it.
>>29825552
Only twist available is 1:9, a 20" is $450
>>29825410
Jesus, man. Nice 10 round group. What kind of barrel are you using, and what was your bench setup?
>>29825567
Match does worse because it's too heavy for the twist.
>>29825584
Way to kill my hopes, anon. Guess I'll stick with a boring old AR for now. Not much point in spending $2400 on a rifle that won't shoot any straighter than what I have.
>>29825603
Match ammo isnt exclusively heavy grain weights
>>29825603
Ah, I generally don't shoot match or for extremely tight groups unless I'm zeroing or testing a scope.
>>29825607
You're paying too much if you're spending $2,400. The version with the optic can be had for ~$2,100 and if you don't want the optic you can shave off another $300. The best place to buy them is from Pete Athens' store, call him and he'll get you set up with whatever barrel length you want.
>>29825607
Yep, AR is better in almost every way. Granted the AUG is pretty much a 80s gun with zero improvements aside from the bho, bolt release, and rail.
>>29825592
that was a noveske 14.5" chrome lined barrel using pic related on a concrete table.
>>29825629
I was factoring in the cost of the 20" barrel as well, so 1800+450 is still $2250. I have way more access to inexpensive quality loads in .223 than I do 5.56x45 here, so a need all the zip I can get.
>>29825657
You can buy them factory w/ 20'' bbl.
>>29825641
I just want a quality AR18 derivative under $2000. Is that so much to ask for?
I already know the 20" Scar 17, MSBS, and MDR won't be under there.
>>29825567
>patiently false
>patiently
This is why Aussies lose to birds, outsmarted.
>>29825780
I'm not an Aussie, I'm a fat-fingered American. Sorry, patently.
>>29825411
oh lawdy i am laffin
>>29825648
Noveske strong.
I don't understand the issue
>this gun shoots the bullets slightly further apart than other guns
>BTFOIWIJEWSWILLNEVERRECOVER
I don't understand why people treat these guns like they are match grade guns made for bench shooting at paper.
It still hits chest sized targets, as long as it can keep doing that in a compact, reliable package what is the issue?
I guess IWI forgot to send his paycheck this month
>>29826096
because for $1500+, it should shoot around 1moa
>>29826136
>it should
why should it conform to your nonsensical standards?
>hurr if I pay x it must be y tight of a shooter
This is silly, I can go pay 10 grand for an mp5 and it's not going to get 1moa at 100yards
The gun was designed to be a short, well balanced carbine that could hit chest sized targets in urban and semi urban environments.
It does it's job
>hurr but for that much money I could build an AR that shoots y sized groups!
Then do so.
The Tavor is not an AR15, it was built for a specific role and accomplishes it's role, nobody ever claimed it was being built to shoot against gucci safe queen AR15s.
I am not paying $1500 to shoot penny sized groups instead of silver dollar sized groups, I am paying $1500 to shoot silver dollar sized groups at chest sized targets with a carbine I can carry all day and handle in compact environments.
>>29826096
i agree with you- its a battle rifle and it does battle rifle sized groups.
but the internet is great for consumers to bitch and moan about why gun X sucks dick and gun Y is the second coming of jesus.
people just like to talk and accuracy is tangible quantitative data that people can argue with
>>29826265
"battle rifle" was the wrong term, lets say "combat rifle" instead
>>29826265
That's all well and good for learning purposes but when you start basing your purchases/arguments only on how tight it shoots you end up with bench guns and nothing else
>>29826111
God he is so butthurt
>>29824785
>The Tavor is almost 3000 Canadian dollars
>People buy this rifle and take courses on it: http://www.zahal.org/products/taovr-1-on-1-shooting-course-calgary-may-6-2016
IWI loves Jewing Canadians hard
>>29824785
>not free floating barrel
>needing fucking screwdrivers to disassemble the guns
>just as accurate as 1980s m4s
>anno domini et sex milia
why the fuck are they making this shit?
>>29826510
Because IWI knows people will buy it, why else?
>>29826510
because people really liked the Tavor in Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2.
Literally anytime I hear about the Tavor its because of that game.
>>29826555
The MTAR was OP in RB6 Vegas, next only to the stupidity that was the FAMAS.
>compliments any gun
>silence
>compliments IWI
>OMG HOW MUCH DID THEY PAY YOU
>>29826661
You don't even have to say anything good about Israeli products, just mentioning them will summon a horde of stormfront fags and /pol/ users nipping at your ass.
>>29826661
Stop being a faggot, read the comments, every gun has negative comments. Remember when his vp9 failed on his torture test video?
>>29826692
who the fuck reads youtube comments?
>>29826683
This is what I like about being a minority, I can make fun of Jews, blacks and other races without being labeled a nigger/jew hating white supremacist
>>29826096
>I don't understand while people like good guns
The post.
>>29826718
You're right, i forgot these faggots never read anything, my bad.
>>29826727
or maybe they just read shit worth reading instead of burning brain cells on dumb shit
>>29826610
MTAR wasn't OP. Just the FAMAS
>>29826096
Because it's a $2000 gun, and its competition both cheaper and more expensive, shoot better than that. An standard issue m4 with m855 shoots better than this thing with match grade
If I want to take 5.56 out to its basic effective lethal limits around 600-700m, I can't do that with this gun. And at $2000, I find that unacceptable
>>29826486
To be fair, I would be too if I had to listen to people calling me a shill all fucking day. He's still one of the best guntubers out there, imo. Hickock is great as well, but he just shoots guns, he doesnt really go into depth about reviews or anything.
>>29826205
But it doesn't take a safe Queen AR to even shot 2 MOA. My milspec bcm barreled kiss rifle shoots 2 MOA with m193, not match grade ammo.
Accuracy, at any distance will help a rifle. This is a service rifle and given recent conflicts 400-600m shooting is necessary, and this rifle can't deliver on that.
>>29826875
are you kidding me? 90% of his videos are insanely annoying zooms of the guns and him telling the history of stupid shit no one gives a fuck about veeeeery slowly, then he shoots the gong twice, laughs, and continues talking holy shit he's insufferable
it's cool if i shoot 10 inch groups at 200 yards.
Hows the accuracy with the AUG and RDB compare?
>>29826883
>This is a service rifle and given recent conflicts 400-600m shooting is necessary,
So don't adopt it for shooting at sand niggers in the middle of bumfuck nowhere
Israel seems to get along fine with them for urban towelhead fighting
>>29826855
No it won't. M855 is very sketchy accuracy wise from lot to lot and it isn't very accurate to begin with due to the penetrator being difficult to consistently place.
I love M855 and have thousands of it for use in my ACOG but, it's consistently 3-3.5MOA with anything else being a fluke.
Even godtier IWI M855 isn't overly accurate.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?12384-An-Accuracy-Comparison-of-M855-When-Fired-From-1-9”-Twist-and-1-7”-Twist-Barrels
>>29826982
I see I've been beaten by the
>muh gun shoots .223" groups at 1000yds with tula
crowd.
>>29826982
just want to point out that norwegian army shot 1.83 moa groups with 16.5 inch 416 that had run 5-10k rounds through them.
HK416N (16.5")
M855: 11 cm or 1.83 MOA
NM229: 12 cm or 2 MOA
NY NAMMO 1: 11.7 cm or 1.95 MOA
Lead Free Boat Tail: 10.9 cm or 1.81 MOA
SS109 SELF: 10.7 cm or 1.78 MOA
SS109: 8.48 cm or 1.41 MOA
HK416K (10.5")
M855: 16 cm or 2.66 MOA
NM229: 33 cm or 5.5 MOA
NY NAMMO 1: 21.2 cm or 3.53 MOA
Lead Free Boat Tail: Not tested
SS109 SELF: 14.2 cm or 2.36 MOA
SS109: 15.7 cm or 2.61 MOA
Is the rifle worth the price tag still with these new precision problems?
Not to me, I want a tack driver for $2,000 USD personally.
>>29826883
Does the Israeli army have that +400m requirement, especially out of a bullpup with a 16" barrel? Assuming it's a 3moa rifle with 55gr FMJ, they can still hit a 9" circle at 273m, which seems fine for a carbine. (Not as good as an M4, but the M4 has a larger OAL).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but jarheads only need a 2.5moa gun to qualify on a 12" target at 500yards, and that's with a full length rifle barrel. It seems like the consumer market has much more stringent accuracy demands when purchasing a rifle than the government does.
>>29824785
honestly, wolf gold is my go-to at this point. I just started hand loading, but if I can group like this work cheap 55 grain ammo out of a budget self built rifle, IWI really needs to step their game up.
>>29824840
Why do you think he made a target of himself?
He's working himself up to it. I'm guessing a divorce will seal the deal.
>>29827320
Oh man thats just sad.
>>29827320
divorce? he's rich and married with kids and an overall cool guy
>>29826111
Projecting much Jesus Christ, Is MAC Jewish?
>>29827351
(Citation needed)
I guess the jews got jewish and cut off his shill bill
>>29827371
same question I had. or maybe one of those zionist christian fundies trying to expedite the second coming of christ
>>29827433
watch his videos you lazy fat fuck
>>29826508
>400 bucks for a 3 day course
seems standard.
>>29827489
>implying you can tell what kind of person someone is or how their home life is going from a video about guns
You are way too mad
>>29827102
were they shooting at 400 meters to achieve that MOA accuracy?
because 11cm is 4.3 inches.
>>29826111
Oh you dont like IWI, You dirty Anti Semite!
I'm Still wondering how one comes to said conclusion.
>>29827534
Thanks. I was trying to figure out what was going on there. Even then, the M855/SS109 have pretty substantial variances between the lots based on the data shown.
>>29826718
I do. Shits hilarious and it's a great way further lose faith in humanity
>>29827218
>It seems like the consumer market has much more stringent accuracy demands when purchasing a rifle than the government does.
Yeah that's pretty much the point here. It's competing with other bullpups, $2000 ARs, budget ARs, SBRs and pistols with fucking buffer tubes, sub braces and thorsden braces.
>>29827534
they were shot at around 200m iirc
>>29824785
Why is he so depressed? It looks like guilt is constantly hurting him.
>>29827535
>2016
>still surprised by the old 'insult anything remotely israeli = anti-semitic goy/self-hating jew' tactic
>>29827884
Post the source. Seems copy and pasted anyway.
me shooting my rebel arms rbr mod II for the first time using shitty ammo at 100 yards. It was 556 shitty israeli bullets i paid 5 bucks for 20 rounds for.
>>29827908
Yeah. White guilt.
>>29828342
nice
>>29825648
Fuck man, I love that paint job. How did you do it?
>>29825796
Same stereotype, different orientation.
>>29827348
>kikes selling us bad ammo
not surprised at all.jpg
Love me some shilling.
>>29824785
>using 5 shot groups
Multiply it by 1.5.
Pretty shitty accuracy for what you are paying but if you are buying a semiauto .223/556 and expecting it to shoot better than a good AR buckle up.
Mine does this with cheap match-ish Privi
>>29826883
>My milspec bcm barreled kiss rifle shoots 2 MOA with m193
Not with 10-shot group .
>His smile and optimism: gone.
>>29830551
poor mac, he just wanted his new, expensive, rifle to shoot as good as he thinks it looks.
>>29826111
>you don't like the tavor?
A N T I S E M I T E
>>29826510
Don't forget. . .
>worst trigger, ever
>$1500 dollarydoos
Israel is going to be so fucked when they have to start paying for their country that can't turn a profit. Seriously everyone hates them, specifically the left wing non whites.
>>29825340
??? Anything to back that up?
>>29831537
the fact that they shoot shit groups.
>>29831016
X95 trigger ain't too bad honestly, still heavy and crummy but not as godawful as the original tavor.
>>29831537
A quick google search will show you a bunch of people getting Minute of Barn accuracy from them.
>>29826205
>comparing an mp5 ( a gun not even chambered in a rifle cartridge, to a fucking rifle, CHAMBERED IN 5.56,)
please kill yourself you piece of subhuman fecal memeshit
>>29826692
But no 4chan threads and constant trolling
>>29824785
Why is he so sad?
>>29824785
btw. is it worse groups than AK47?
>>29826111
To be fair most people hate iwi because they're a Jewish company. No one is just like "I hate then for their shit guns"
>>29832682
Probably cause he realized 90% of his viewers are nogunz, airshit, COD warriors who watch because it gives them something to argue about other than "You're out! "Nuh-uh" "yeah huh!" "I'm calling my mom!".
Another 8 percent are fudds with nothing to do but watch every damn video channel on YouTube and bitch about the lack of wood on combat oriented guns these days.
1.5 percent are littered looking for guns to trigger their....whatever mess they keep up in their hypocrite pea brains, so they can masturbate with their own tears and blog about how they saw a gun today and feel oppressed in their suburban condo with private security, gate, and food/weed/liquor door to door delivery service.
The remaining 0.5 percent are people with an actual interest in firearms who want to be informed but turn him off after a minute or two or skip to the shooting results cause they get annoyed by his gushing, partial knowledge, or the fact that he's only a marginal shot. Then they nitpick the stuff he got wrong.
All in all....I think he had a moment of self awareness somewhere along the way and realized that he has become what he never wanted to be: an irrelevant, blustering, shill for whatever company willing to send him gear, with a declining YouTube channel that doesn't pay the bills and has literally nothing to do with the military in any way. I heard one suggestion long ago that if he singly switched to shooting from basic military style training positions (standing, kneel, prone) instead of from a table or bipod and shot at targets that looked like the ones from base ranges, people would take him more seriously.
He just looks like a guy who wants to cry out, "Please like me, I am not a failure!"
>>29832934
>>29832682
He just looks like he has a cold/flu.
>>29832959
Oh.....yeah maybe that.
>nvm then.
>>29832934
Seconded.
>>29832934
Did you actually take the time out of your day to type that spergy shit? If you dislike his shit so much stop watching it? I don't like his channel but I don't sit here writing a paper on assumptions of why he looks sad
Sheesh people
>>29832934
Heh, just had a quick glance at his view numbers over the last couple of years, they aren't declining, pretty much floating between 50-100k for normal vids and up to 400 for vids about new guns etcetera
