Oh yeah, you are really anticipated for the F-35, and how it will jam radars? Right?
Sorry guys, but F-35 simply does not have the power on board required to jam even old P-18 without upgrades. Even its export versions have 6W per Mhz at 100km requirement otherwise it will "burn through". Thats 5-6 Kw jammer power required, even Growlers barely meet this. No aircraft can in fact effectively jam any modern ground based radar today, aspecialy if its Russian.
>b-but you just send Growlers and multiple F-35's!
Do you know what kind of power was needed to jam domestic versions of P-18 at the time? Over 100w*Mhz*100km. Do not even get me started on modern radars, basic radars used in S-300 system have it over 1200W! And those are working at 2000+ Mhz that is 2,4 MEGAWATT needed to jam just one of 24 S-300 channels!
Yeah, good luck to you jamming it with airborne equipment.
>>29822694
Does the EA-18G have this capability? If so, we did gud making that purchase.
>>29822694
It's irrelevant when the F-35 will be destroyed from stand off range by an S-400 variant.
>>29822694
What is SEAD/DEAD?
That's a large EM source for HARM missile.
>>29822726
>>29822731
Not at all. There is whole universe to send it the other way, from very same EW to inflatable decoys and fake radars. Dealing with HARM was rather easy even for Serbs who used microwave ovens to catch them. Sometimes they even used to hit harrows left in the field and reflecting radar beam. Nevermind that range of AIM-88 is too short. Ask any boxer what it means to have much shorter arms than your enemy. Besides Russian SHORAD systems can intercept ordnance like this itself.
>>29822694
this thing is so advanced it an shitpost by itself too!
>>29822738
>>29822726
>>29822731
And Serbia had VERY tiny and obsolete airdefense. Completely outnumbered by NATO airforce in that operation which included over 1200 aircrafts running 32000+ missions in 72 days.
That will never be the case with Russia, which actualy puts entire NATO in reverse situation both in qualith AND quantity. Russia just so you know is still the only country which has actual WW3 capable IAD and ABM shield.
>inb4 there's more than one aircraft!!11
Okay. Put 3 pods on your jets and do the math how many aircrafts will you need to jam 1 channel of 1 S-300 radar at 100km range. That is 2,4MW/18KW=133
In other words there is no aircrafts on this planet to do this even at 100km. Nevermind any closer range to partialy jam even relatively old system.
And BTW jamming works both ways don`t you know? I`d rather bet on those SAMs and specialized EW equipment on the ground jamming lights out of those jets. If not even fry some of their electronics. Ground based systems have no such severe limitations on power, size and heat dissipation as airborne systems do.
>F-35 picks up radar from outside of SAM range
>feeds GPS targeting data to cruise missile either on its own hardpoints or a loitering B-1B dakka truck
>EM countermeasures now worth approximately fuck all
>eat a dick, Ivan
>>29822694
thats a big yagi
>>29822755
Considering the guy who was shot down in a F117 didn't even know he was not only locked onto, but a missile was flying at him until it was to late to even respond, I doubt that would go down like that.
F117< 1960's early Gen 1 SAM
>>29822694
Seriously? This... THIS is your thread? This is the thesis for the post that joins others on this board?
I don't... just... why? Nobody can be THIS BORED, right?
>>29822781
Considering they fired despite protocols telling them not too, that the bay doors were open, and the 117s had been flying the same routes for days so they knew exactly where to look,
dumb luck>russian technology.
>>29822758
HARMs aren't the only thing you can use to fuck a giant, radiating target.
>>29822801
Like what else....
>>29822726
>What is SEAD/DEAD?
Not very reliable weapon which can be intercepted by SAM self-protection AA units ans can be tricked by false targets.
>>29822867
Like GPS guided cruise missiles, which laugh off your EM jamming as irrelevant noise data and can be launched from a fucking submarine.
>>29822879
>GPS guided cruise missiles
>training targets for any SA-8 Gecko and even manpads
>>29822867
JSOW, Cruise missiles..
> patiently waiting for massive amounts of burger-butthurt
>>29822884
>shooting down a supersonic cruise missile with manpads
Vatnik pls.
>>29822879
> gps guided cruise missiles
Kek. We're talking about Russia here, not American Mudhut Bombing v.4
>>29822694
uh, what the fuck is this thread about?
fighter radar jamming is for the immediate protection of the fighter against other fighters
its the job of awacs and other planes to jam ground systems
>>29822895
Since when Tomahawk is supersonic?
>>29822879
>GPS
>not the easiest thing to jam
>>29822901
Vatnik OP ran out of potatoes in his Vatnik bucket and needed to shitpost his dinner.
>>29822694
Seriously that much power is required!?
Now I can see why Poland is keeping and upgrading P-18 radars.
>>29822909
GPS/INS is reliable.
>>29822909
IR no it's not. Russians failed to jam GPS in recent maneuvers.
>>29822738
>Serbs who used microwave ovens to catch them.
>Ask any boxer what it means to have much shorter arms than your enemy.
jesus christ, the amount of drunken retarded vatnik in this post is overwhelming.
Russians can have EW helis flying around their SAM, good luck hitting anything there.
Actually who even knows what the Russians do with EW, only thing that's fact is that they have entire divisions focused on it.
>>29822918
>Actually who even knows what the Russians do with EW
Make this thread, apparently.
>>29822752
>to jam 1 channel of 1 S-300 radar at 100km range. That is 2,4MW/18KW=133
this isnt how jamming radio waves works you moronic shill
>>29822917
> 2008
> ima call this guy a vatnik, that means he doesn't know what he's talking about! XDDD
Step your game up, mr bottom pains.
>>29822901
And I guess AWACS got the power to jam such radars amairite?
>>29822921
Him being a vatnik and him not knowing what he is talking about are two unrelated things.
>>29822915
>IR no it's not. Russians failed to jam GPS in recent maneuvers.
>[citation needed]
>>29822925
Dudebro, the AWACS jams everything in a 10000km radius. Vatniks have NO chance, let me tell you.
>>29822930
That unarmed su25 that flew over the Donald Cuck with no modules attached, didn't jam anything. What are you, a vatnik? Pssshhhh
>>29822931
>Dudebro, the AWACS jams everything in a 10000km radius
>literally believing this
So what's the point of Growlers then, fatnik?
It saddens me how easy k falls for the shittiest of bait these days.
>>29822939
>literally believing this
Come on, do you really think anyone believes anything said in this thread?
>>29822752
The F-117 that was shot down was because of when the bomb bay doors are open, the stealth is not effective any more and the bomb bay doors were open in that circumstance. But even then only one over the 50 year history of the US using stealth is something that is impressive.
Hi, my name is ADM-160. My greatest joy in life is watching vatniks shake with impotent rage and cry bitch tears as they try to pick out the 16 real targets in their radar returns showing over a hundred identical targets.
My second favorite thing is watching slavshit radars burn after them having failed to intercept the F-35s dropping JDAMS on them due to target saturation.
>>29822949
Russian EW being the GOAT is pretty believable.
>>29822949
>no proofs
fatniks in damage control
>>29822950
>teh bomb bays were upen!!11
Sorry but this is poor excuse invented after this spectacular failure of alleged superweapon.
stealth was never effective to begin with. In fact, with certain adjustments "stealth" aircrafts are more detectable than conventional ones. All thats more sharp region of resonant scattering.
it was never used against any advanced enemies.
>>29822919
>NICKOLAI; "IVAN, IS P18 RADAR OF FIX FOR DETECTION OF AMERICAN PIG FIGHTER?"
>IVAN; "NO NIKOLAI, MOSCOW BE OF CLAIMING 2 MORE WEEKS UNTIL PARTS COME"
>NICKOLAI; "DA, MOSCOW BE OF CLAIMING 2 WEEKS FOR MANY YEAR"
>IVAN; "WHAT IS TO BE DONE?"
>NICKOLAI; "WE MUST MAKE AMERICAN TEENAGERS FEAR OF THE MOTHERLAND, WE POST OF SHIT ON INTERNET"
>>29822955
Only if you actually believe what Russia claims about their systems.
>>29822921
i dont have to step up anything as my countries air defenses arent reliant on 70 year old equipment and luck
>>29822957
The B-2, F-22 and F-35 use a completely different approach to stealth compared to the F-117.
What worked against the F-117 wont work against next generation stealth.
>>29822930
http://izvestia.ru/news/536181
>>29822931
Maneuvers against Greece S300 showed that you can jam then. But you need inadequate forces to do that. It is possible to tear down AA defense of Iran with S300 by jamming and ridiculous numerical superiority. But Russian integrated AA defense? Their airforce works with SAMs together (since 80th, btw). You can't do air superiority, CAS and SEAD missions in same time without overwhelming numerical superiority. This can not be done without month of preparations and concentration of forces. And that concentration of forces will be noticed by Russia and countered by preemptive strikes. That's how their security works.
>>29822694
Decoys bitch
>>29822955
Russian electronics and cryogenics suck. So yeah, they can build bricks without straw or clay.
>>29822990
>overwhelming numerical superiority
Which in this case would mean that the U.S rolls up two CBGs to complement the already existing forces in the area.
"Too few" is not a phrase that will be uttered when discussing U.S air power.
Radar Horizon.
Russian radars and SAMs lose.
>>29822990
Hard to launch a premptive strike when you rely on ground-based IADs.
Russia has never been, and still isn't, any good offensively.
>>29822694
Let me put this straight : Russians need radars this size to even stand a chance to detect stealth effectively and you're trying to make an argument against the F-35 ?
>>29823208
> russians are building big radars, they LOSE!!!
>>29822901
>fighter radar jamming is for the immediate protection of the fighter against other fighters
Thats right. And here again Flankers come on top. Not just by having dedicated EW pods unlike F-35 but also having much greater supply of space and power supply for their operaion. Moreover as Flankers do not rely on mythical stealth they sure as hell will use EW much more extensively.
>>29822931
Sorry but no airborne system can jam ground system at all. You need flying atomic power plant to even hope to achieve this at any usefull range.
>>29822920
Thats exactly how it works. It called density of interference signal, dummy. No any other methods of jamming are effective in digital era.
>>29823231
So the russians are driving around atomic power plants?
>>29822694
Just bomb the radars first, then airplanes in hangars, I don't know why would anybody bother with fighters today, they're completely outdated, only low-flying mach 6 radar/GPS guided tactical nuclear bomber can solve all your issues through interdiction.
>>29822755
>B-1B was shot down an minutes before that by MiG-31
>Cruise missile was removed by Tor
>F-35 gets SAM guided directly into its ass by Nebo-M
Daily reminder that Russia has superior EW technology and will win everytime
America will be blind
>>29823236
Electricity generated by Lenin's spinning corpse.
>>29823260
Except AESA is extremely difficult to jam.
Modern PESA radar are hard but not impossible to jam because they can shift frequency constantly. AESA get around this by broadcasting across a bunch of frequency at once, lowering the energy on any given frequency to the point it's hard to tell the radar is operating at all and making jamming very, very difficult.
>>29822694
you realize EW encompasses more than just jamming right? of course not you drunk vatnik fuck
>>29823267
In that case jamming will not be required, genius. As such radar will be totaly useless.
To achieve greater detection range you MUST have power output. There is no way around radar equations dummy.
Modern AESA are fundamentally inferior to PESA technology which is mature technology and inherently lacking many of AESA fundamental limitations. AESA technology needs decades of development to cope with PESA in major aspects. Most important of which is size, weight and heat dissipation. Which combination still limits AESA radars to have no mechanical steering of array and this severely compromises its off-boresight detection ranges and interference resistance.
This is why you can spin Pentagon`s selling points of those gimmiks back and forth but it provides no real benefits over PESA so far, and generaly inferior in nearly everything that matters.
>>29822879
>GPS guided
The other night the radar was deploye 100m away from previous coordinates. GPS guided cruise missile hits cabbage field. Damn pesky Russians, who knew wheeled radars can move!
>>29822895
>USA
>supersonic cruise missile
Lol.
>>29823272
>In that case jamming will not be required, genius. As such radar will be totaly useless.
Think you need to work on your reading comprehension. That anon was describing the LPI mode of AESAs. They're still functioning.
>>29822952
>MALD
>Can fool anything but a lone SA-2
It's okay, amerilard, it's not like your Air "Force" is still capable of engaging anyone but mudskins with walkie-talkies anyway.
>>29822952
Is it really that good?
Boy I want to see Growlers, MALDs and AARGMs being used in conjunction with SUTER to wreck havoc with an actual, functioning IADS.
>>29823225
>Thats right. And here again Flankers come on top. Not just by having dedicated EW pods unlike F-35 but also having much greater supply of space and power supply for their operaion. Moreover as Flankers do not rely on mythical stealth they sure as hell will use EW much more extensively.
>citations: 0
>>29822912
no they are just fucking poor and fuck also government full of jews
>>29822974
That argument worked against early 60s S-125. Not so much against even the basic S-300PS.
>>29822694
>>29823087
>U.S rolls up two CBGs
The US has two spare CBGs to donate as an artificial reef? Good for you.
http://yournewswire.com/russian-jamming-system-kills-all-nato-electronic-systems-in-syria/
http://osnetdaily.com/2015/10/russian-jamming-system-blocks-all-nato-electronics-inside-bubble-600-km-in-diameter-over-syria/
>Russia so "shit" they manage to jam all NATO electronics
Amerifats will defend this
>>29822725
It's already irrelevant because the F35s aren't airworthy because they had /g/ program it.
>>29823357
N-no! Lies! LIES!
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/policy-budget/warfare/2015/08/02/us-army-ukraine-russia-electronic-warfare/30913397/
>>29823357
this is beyond delusional
US never ever dealt with anything even remotely resempling actual IADS. Last time it had something like this even contingently like this was Vietnam war. Shoud i tell you how it worked out for USAF?
>>29823234
No it's not you dumb shit.
Why you think such?
>>29823260
You realize how much power you need to do all that shit
>all these ameridumbs thinking the US would do better than Russia in an actual combat scenario
Why would Russia do better?
Because of technical specifications given and empirical data recieved during tests and exercises. As so as poor performance of western airforce even against export versions of soviet/russian equipment despite all trumps being on their side.
>>29823376
>>29823367
>posts no proofs as to why it's dumb
fatniks in damage control again
>>29823319
that was a completely different thing
>>29823419
get the fuck out of here RIDIF
>>29823439
>still no proofs
So tell me exactly why that article is bullshit and no NATO electronics were harmed?
>>29823445
because RT is a bullshit source fucking dumb ruski, if that boat shot your planes down you would be all over the UN bitching and crying because 'muh planes'
>>29822879
in b4 Iran GPS spoofs a cruise missile like they did to the top secret drone.
>>29823454
but that doesn't proofs that NATO electronics wasn't all kill around Syria :^)
>>29823464
The fact that flights were maintained says otherwise.
>>29823464
>doesn't proofs
I think you need to sharpen your English there a little Ivan, can't let people notice your nationality otherwise the shitposting department might notice you fell behind your quota by 1 post and cancel your retirement savings.
>>29822731
VHF radars are not detectable by ESM and HARM cant home on them because of the inaccurate location from low-frequency radiation.
VHF are inherently LPI.
>>29822944
>I want to talk about tanks of other nations, including Russia.
>What we know, what we don't, what we speculate
>Every fucking thread immediately features "burgers" shit posting as bad as Australians in /pol/.
I get this is 4chan, the greatest firefox theme discussion board on the internet but can we actually talk capabilities without it? One time? Please?
>>29822952
>not even DRFM, how can you hope to jam shit?
>>29823490
>the inaccurate location from low-frequency radiation.
Thats some great bro-science, m8.
>>29823490
this guy knows what's up. In order to receive VHF signals in the first place you need to have fuck huge recievers in the first place.
>>29823260
They will be hard to power when the operators consume all the fuel just like the flight lines in Afghanistan.
>>29823506
>Every fucking thread immediately features "burgers" shit posting as bad as Australians in /pol/.
>slavshit dickwaving from the start of the thread with muh radar
God you guys are starting to lack in quality.
Have they liquidated the ranks in the shitposting department a little too harsh recently?
>>29823529
*a fuck, i'm drunk as a skunk.
>>29823357
This is the same article almost word for word on two websites, one just has more unrelated pictures.
>>29823529
To add to this HARMs are useless because once they are close enough to detect it the sheer power radiated by this type of radar will burn the fragile sensors on the missile and cause it to hit some poor schmuck's house.
>>29823398
Oh wow, you burger claps can't prove shit.
Tell me exactly why jamming isn't related to density of interference signal, and why jamming 1 channel of 1 S-300 radar at 100km range requires 2,4MW/18KW=133
>>29823269
It also involves sending ₪320,000 shekels missiles into 8' x 12' mud huts for superiority reasons.
>>29823506
>Thread about Russian equipment asking for information
>Someone mentions it's not the greatest thing the world has ever seen
>nonstop vatnik shitposting for the rest of the thread because of severe rectal wreckage
There, I just described every single slavshit thread ever.
>>29823548
Further, Russia had managed to acquire samples of unexploded HARMs after the NATO air campaign in Serbia. Scientists later used the shape of the seeker to determine its physical limitations and appropriately design SAMs that exploited said limitations. Seeing as how the electronics in HARMs maybe a bit different now (but not by much) they still use the same shaped warhead and thus have not rectified this vulnerability.
>>29822960
kek
>>29823568
>Thread about American equipment asking for information
>Someone mentions it's not the greatest thing the world has ever seen
>nonstop fatnik shitposting for the rest of the thread because of severe rectal wreckage
There, I just described every single amerilard thread ever.
These threads are always like two kids arguing about naruto or something. Noone gives credence to the fact that half this shit is in limited production, prototype, or is probably rusting in a storehouse somewhere. I would put my money on the US but simply because they've built more than one of the things they refer to and tend to actually drive them around a bit. And no, the two week holiday in Syria does not stack up to what the Americans have done with their navy etc in the last twenty years, nor does burning that village in Georgia. Useful excursions, I'm sure, but Russian pilots and servicemen don't get nearly the operational hours of their American counterparts nor do they have the same level of materiel readiness. Not that there's going to be a war anyway. That would be stupid.
>>29823532
>taking things personal on mudkip board
It doesn't matter how the thread starts. I've been here too long looking at the cancer grow and I know better.
>>29823575
>Scientists later used the shape of the seeker to determine its physical limitations and appropriately design SAMs that exploited said limitations.
>they still use the same shaped warhead and thus have not rectified this vulnerability.
This is fucking beautiful, you should make a blog
The plural of aircraft is aircraft, not aircrafts.
>>29823410
>Because of technical specifications given and empirical data recieved during tests and exercises
> As so as poor performance of western airforce even against export versions of soviet/russian equipment despite all trumps being on their side.
kek
funny joke man
care to provide source's for some of your claims?
because i find it hard to believe russia has intact sample's of a missile that crashes into the ground at +2000 km/h
>>29822694
Firstly; the Vlads post those uglyazz hinyHinds and now this uglyazz radar
>Comrade, please install some crown molding on the thing
It'll improve it's looks
>>29822694
>this thread
>I work for the nsa i know all the proofs
>comrade ivan: iwork for the fsa S200 can kill all
>>29823394
>what is Linebacker II
stay mad, vatnik
>>29823295
>russian radars
>able to identify anything that's smaller than a fucking B-52
Face it, MALD renders all russian air defence obsolete.
Not even Putins hired liars at RT has been able to cook up a propaganda piece that can deal with MALD. Between the MALD-J and the towed decoys, a single CBG could neutralize russian air defenses to the degree that they could fly victory laps around moscow should they want to.
Vatniks BTFO harder than usual.
![Ship_Kosmonaut_Yuri_Gagarin[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/QBOCnXV.jpg "Ship_Kosmonaut_Yuri_Gagarin[1].jpg")
>>29823221
Not related to this thread or even /k/, but those soviet space tracking ships were fucking awesome pieces of engineering.
>>29823299
Yes.
The nature of radar is such that you'll detect the outgoing signals long before they see you.
Not even the most krokodil addled vatnik can deny that.
The MALD detects inbound radar and boosts the echo to a level depending on what it is supposed to imitate. That way it'll look like whatever the U.S air force decides it should look like and can flood the russian air defenses with what looks like hundreds of B-52s while only a few real ones carrying missiles slip past the confused radar operators, neutralizing all air defenses.
Russia knows they have nothing to deal with this so they mostly ignore it, hoping that the vatniks never hear of it since they would go into a vodka induced riot if they knew how easily the U.S could rape russia in the ass.
>>29823765
> long before they see you
That 0.5 second delay gives the biggest advantage
>>29823351
>implying that a rustbucket that gets shot down by fucking Georgians using second hand soviet surplus could get anywhere near even a mildly competent fishing trawler.
vatnik plz
>>29823772
Even if it was 0.5sec (it isn't) the aircraft would still have the advantage, yes.
They have a far greater ability to disengage and exit the engagement envelope than a ground based radar.
>>29823515
>turn on jammer
>turn on SAS
>fool drunk vatnik that they have defeated the jamming on a US plane
>laugh as you bomb vatniks as they depleted their missile stock on shooting at the decoys
>>29823653
>Gets buttblasted in the helicopter thread
>Is still buttblasted hours later
This burger is too salty, bring another one.
>>29823799
What happened in helicopter thread? Did slavshit win again?
>>29823796
> trying to jam the guys that have already jammed you
>>29823575
>>29823529
>>29823490
>all this russian faux science
This is almost making my head hurt with all these fake claims, lies and unsourced bullshit.
>The US destroyer USS Donald Cook, equipped with Tomahawk cruise missiles entered the neutral waters of the Black Sea on April 10, 2014.
>In response, Russia sent an unarmed bomber Su- 24 to fly around the U.S. destroyer.
>Aegis spotted from afar the approaching aircraft, and sounded alarm.
>Everything went normally, and the American radars calculated the speed of the approaching target.
>But suddenly all the screens went blank.
>Aegis was not working any more, and the rockets could not get target information.
>Meanwhile, Su-24 flew over the deck of the destroyer, did battle turn and simulated a missile attack on the target.
>Then it turned and repeated the maneuver.
>And did so 12 times.
kek
Did that really happen?
>>29823823
> random Tom Clancy fans posting fanfic
> muh.russian.FAUX-SCIENCE!!!!!!!!
>>29823828
Yeah man. 100% legit story
>>29823828
"By the way, nowadays Khibiny is being installed on Su-30, Su-34 and Su-35, so the famous April attack in the Black sea on USS Donald Cook by Su-24 bomber jet allegedly using Khibiny complex is nothing but a newspaper hoax. The destroyer's buzzing did take place. This EW system can completely neutralise the enemy radar, but Khibiny are not installed on Su-24."
http://kret.com/en/news/3669/
Remember: Vatniks will claim something took place, EVEN IF THE MANUFACTURER SAYS IT DIDN'T.
>>29823828
>Did that really happen?
Only in RT.
All oficcial US sources claim that the USS Donald Cook was able to defend itself at all times.
The added tidbit about how all the crew of the US ship supposedly resigns tell you how full of shit the russians are about the event.
>>29823728
>American decoys
>Able to fool anything newer than lone SA-2 radar
It's okay, amerilard, just let it go.
>>29823778
>Implying rusted clapburger washtubs that get shot by their own decoys could get anywhere near Russian shore
Burgerclap, please.
>>29823846
The added tidbit about the Donald Cuck being on course the whole time and totally not running the fuck away or anything, tell you how full of shit the americans are about the event.
>>29823845
Ok, to the amerilards here, let me school you on the future of Russian vs Western EW.
Let's start off with recent events such as the Donald Cook incident (the first one because the 2nd one was just Putin trying to draw attention away from the Panama leaks). There were slight exaggerations on the part of Russian state media, but let me assure you, it really happened. The incident occurred because the manufacturer of Khibiny, KRET', convinced the government to test the system against Western technology so as to ascertain its capabilities.
This field test was a success and got the go-ahead for funding from the state to be further developed into a miniaturized version attached to munitions deployable from Flankers and Fullbacks. Once mature, this technology will render all types of weapons nearly impossible to detect as they use a combination of beam forming techniques and stealth to mask their approach.
The development is ongoing but once in-service will turn the EW gap between Russia and the West into a fucking canyon.
>>29823799
Hahahaha
My old Vladnik friend
I thought it was you
How do you guys get on 4Chins? Putin know this?
>>29823814
>beliving russian claims about universal jammers being able to jam everything in 600nm radius
Not that it matters, just program the MALD to fly on INS using both SAS and jammers and watch russian EW and IADS light up like a Christmas tree.
Then it's only a matter of sending in a few dozen more MALDs along with some strike aircraft and mop up all russian air defenses.
>>29823807
No, some retard didn't like that anons were posing anything but Supercobra in an attack helicopter thread and then got all salty and defensive about muzzle velocity of the Apache gun.
>>29823857
But it did no such thing?
It completed it's tour and vatniks shat themselves in rage over not spooking the ship away.
>>29823863
Yeah, so about as much credibility as UFO capture at Area 51.
kek
>>29823867
I'm not the OP though.
>>29823845
So you're saying the russkies could do that, but not with a SU-24?
>>29823846
>Only in RT.
But the source was supposedly LiveLeaks, not RT.
>>29823799
Crown molding here
Why did you guys give up on Lun Class Ekranoplan? That fucking thing is awesome af
>>29823853
Find a single credible source that claims that even the most modern vatnik toaster can distinguish between MALDs and the real deal.
There is none because no russian shit is even remotely capable of doing so.
>>29823896
I'm saying it never happened.
All manufacturers talk big on their product, but the fact remains that it didn't fucking happen.
>>29823853
>get anywhere near Russian shore
Don't need to, just park a fair bit away and laugh at incompetent vatniks failing to reach them :^)
>>29823351
They sink one, we send four.
Not to mention sink there entire navy, strike pipelines with missiles (dodge that vatniks) and proceed to own their ports for ourselves as the rest of NATO kicks into play.
Then we start the familiar peace talks game resulting in an American withdrawal, Russian reparations and cease in hostilities resulting in a strategic coalition victory. Then in 5 seconds after the treaty is signed the RIDF goes:
"Top kek amerishits, you couldn't invade Moscow even when owning the ports, the only REAL victory is to own the ruins of the capital, plant your flag, split it into two nations for 50 years, and kill a million + people, just like glorious Red Army during the Patriotic War!! Your surrender will only fuel the bear's rage!!"
>>29823896
>LiveLeaks
That in turn sourced russian claims. And we all know russian lies.
They even lied about the U-137 washing up in sweden until the swedes literary had to put the soviet capain on the phone telling the vatniks that he indeed was a russian who had ran his sub aground. Such are russians, lies as default.
>>29823863
>There were slight exaggerations on the part of Russian state media,
>slight
>they said the the entire crew of 26 sailors immediately went to port and resigned
>DDG
>20 something crew
>implying you can just resign whenever you want
>when the Cook was known to have made all of its scheduled port visits on time after the event took place
>EW
>shutting anything down
kek
>convinced the government to test the system against Western technology so as to ascertain its capabilities.
How is it a test if they can't get any information from their test subject?
Where do you come up with this bullshit?
>>29823898
Because it was never planned for mass production and has had a very specific field of use. Russians didn't have money even to convert the half-built second hull into a SAR, as they planned after the dissolution of the USSR. Furthermore, the Caspian Sea has turned from being almost exclusively Soviet into a multinational area. They have some new project though:
http://kret.com/en/news/3998/
>>29823933
That's nice, but could you give me some sources?
So far it's the word of a /k/ anon vs news websites. I'm sure you understand you have exactly zero credibility here.
>russians in this thread on EW capabilities.
Jesus christ you fucks, EW is not a fucking TV remote that you use to shut down enemy systems.
It's more like trying to garble the return data of radar or fill communications frequencies with clutter.
To do that you need extremely powerful directional antennas pointed at the target, it's not a area weapon.
You also forgot to mention that by sending out such powerful signals you'll tell everyone within 100nm where you are.
It's like shouting in a conference hall, do it loud enough and you might hinder someone from having a conversation but everyone will know exactly who is doing it and from where the disturbance is coming.
>>29823564
better than making this thread for superiority reasons.
>>29823990
Sources on U-137? The internet's full of it, such stunning display of russian incompetence has been the basis of countless of laughs around the world for decades.
>>29823906
Find a single credible source that MALD is able to fool anything newer than lone SA-2 radar. There is non because no burger shit is even remotely capable of preforming against anything but goatfuckers on toyotas.
>>29823917
It's okay, they will just stay on the shore and laugh back at incompetent fatniks being to scary to reach them.
>>29823927
Only four? I heard artificial reefs are very good for nature. Better sent all right away. It will be a nice reef.
>>29823991
> guys everybody's who's getting jammed actually knows exactly who's doing it, it's the biggest giveaway ever
>>29824003
No, the Donald Cook jamming incident. Help me out here man. Otherwise I'll have to believe the vatniks.
>>29824022
Are you le serious? Even the very manufacturer of the system says it's bullshit:
>April attack in the Black sea on USS Donald Cook by Su-24 bomber jet allegedly using Khibiny complex is nothing but a newspaper hoax
http://kret.com/en/news/3669/
But a knowing person wouldn't even need this proof because he would knew Su-24 doesn't use the damn system.
>>29824057
>Su-24 doesn't use the damn system
Nyet senpai, I want to believe it was used that one plane that was shot down by Turkey. Do not ruin my dreams.
>>29824081
It's don't. Su-24 is a frontline bomber designed to fly low, its countermeasures are limited to RWR aimed in the upper hemisphere and flares.
>>29824128
>don't
>hemisphere
Wat
>>29824009
>Find a single credible source that MALD is able to fool anything newer than lone SA-2 radar.
http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2014/pdf/af/2014mald.pdf
Claims that the MALD is designed to deal with IADS, i.e more than just a single system
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0acJ3xyhaJo
The promo claims that it can deal with more than just a SA-2
Your turn vatnik, find a source claiming that you Caucasus swines can deal with the MALD
I'm under the slight suspicion that we're going to be seeing a rise in Russkie posting soon.
>>29824228
>Claims that the MALD is designed to deal with IADS
I.e. Iraq-tier "IADS" with lone SA-2 in the middle of nowhere.
>Cartoons
You best be joking me.
>>29823087
And that will lead to complete elimination of element of surprise. Enjoy Russian nuclear forces on full alert.
>>29824181
>hemisphere
It's only really designed to deal with threats from above. By flying supersanic fast at treetop level, few of the same era SAMs could deal with it. Fighters and interceptors with lookdown radars on the other hand would be more of a threat, hence the focus on detecting threats coming from above.
>>29824248
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-pentagons-flying-decoy-super-weapon-is-about-to-get-1669729445
The MALD can imitate any aircraft from the B-2 to the B-52.
Now give Proofs that S-400 can distinguish between the target despite them giving the same radar echo.
I won't hold my breath because you can't.
>>29824256
Well, if russia invades the baltics, they would probably expect a reaction of that sort in any event.
>>29824248
That's fine. Russian SAMs are only good at shooting down Malaysian Airlines "fighters".
>>29824294
>foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com
Lol.
>can imitate
I'm sure it can. And some lone SA-2 in the middle of nowhere would even probably be fooled by it. But we are talking about modern IADS, not rusted shit from 50s US Air "Force" is only used to deal with.
>>29824307
Also at butchering good half of IAF aircraft.
>>29824347
>SA-2
Is this like how the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer claims a Tau Hammerhead Railgun has the equivalent power of a battle rifle?
>>29823765
>The nature of radar is such that you'll detect the outgoing signals long before they see you.
Which the F-35 and F-22 can't.
ALR-94 is RWR genius. Not any sort of "passive radar" It can detect aproximate directon on target at best, its primary job is to warn pilot and avionics about jet being scanned by radar.
>>29824451
Forgot to add that F-35 only relies on AESA+LPIR radar for it's targeting.
Ameriboos BTFO
>>29824445
No, it's like your virginity claims it is the equivalent of real life.
>>29824304
Only reason for RF to invade Baltic states is NATO invasion in Kalinigrad.
>Russian airforce
Your RWR will light up long before the radar can see you and with a F-35 you'd be basicly on top of the radar before they spot you.
That is not the point though, the point is that the MALD will have ample time to detect, identify and report to a J-STARS about the threat and give the agrees or valuable intel. Sure, you might only be able to get the direction of the radar but launch two or more and you can triangulate the exact position of the radar. After that you can plan your attack, launch decoys and strikes and completly wipe the IADS of the map.
>>29824481
But both our claims are fictional.
>>29824538
>with a F-35 you'd be basicly on top of the radar before they spot you
Only if you'll manage to ram it after taking a missile straight into your face.
>>29824228
>The promo claims
The promo claimed that YAL-1 can shoot down ballistic misses. Where is YAL-1 now? "DARPA promo video" and "vaporware" are almost synonyms. Russians at least keep their project classified, so no one knows how many were canceled.
>>29824543
Lol, did you just imply Soviet SAM systems did not butcher IAF in the Yom Kippur War?
>>29823772
It is faaaaar longer than 0.5 sec.
>http://www.radartutorial.eu/01.basics/The%20Radar%20Range%20Equation.en.html
The decrease in signal strength is squared to the distance. By the time a signal is strong enough to be detected by the target, it then has to return as an echo to the receiver, being decreased by several orders of magnitude in strength. Even if the target has much less sophisticated detections gear and a smaller antenna, it will always know the presence and direction of the transmitter long before it is spotted.
>>29824481
>virginity claims it is the equivalent of real life.
That poor, poor language you butchered.
>>29824347
You have still to post anything to strengthen your claim that vatnikistan can defeat MALD.
>>29824578
No, the PITIFUL ANCIENT RUSTY BURGER CRAP NO MATCH FOR GLORIOUS SLAV TECH seems clichéd in this day and age. Could you be any more of a stereotype?
>>29824632
You are still to prove that MALD can fool anything but a lone SA-2 in the middle of nowhere.
Operation Rimon 20.
Correct me if I'm wrong but was the S-125 Neva manually guided to take down the F-117?
Because from what I have read, it could have been impossibly radar guided
>>29824635
After decades of exactly the opposite being pushed by burgers? No.
>>29824578
Anf IAF raped and slaughtered both kebab and soviet radar, fighters and pilots in the War of Attrition. You win some and you lose some.
>>29824578
>IAF
This guys deny losses of aircraft even when wrecks with serial numbers displayed in museums.
>>29824653
But I just did, it's just the problem that you vatniks refuse to believe anything you aren't forced from putins asshole.
Now post proofs that you can defeat MALD.
>>29824691
Oh what is it, I made a little yid mad? More like stolen, since even SA-2 radar was apparently space magic to you.
>>29824716
Nah, you only posted a cartoon and a blog entry. You are yet to present anything to prove MALD can fool something better than SA-2.
>>29824451
>>29824461
plz debunk this
>>29824763
The russians proved inferior to fucking kebab in that war, you vatniks ought to have learned to scurry into your rat holes when that conflict is mentioned
>>29824778
The phrase "Only AESA" should tell you how retarded and delusional that particular vatnik is.
>>29824763
And you have presented about as much as the content of your head; Nothing.
Your move vatnik.
>>29823927
Four CBGs for every Tu-22. Where will US embark on its suicidal air campaign into the teeth of modern SAMs when airstrips in Italy and Germany are Iskander'd within first hours of hostilities? How do you plan to 'own their ports' when Russia's northern fleet alone can blockade the the entirety of NATO naval assets in Europe?
Jesus Christ, ameriniggers and their itching deathwish.
>>29824810
What about F-35 not being able to passively detect radars through radarwaves, because ALR-94 is RWR only?
>>29824852
>How do you plan to 'own their ports' when Russia's northern fleet alone can blockade the the entirety of NATO naval assets in Europe?
I gotta say, even though /k/ is easy to bait, you have done magnificent work.
>>29824791
Poor little mad yid. Do IAF pilots still wear diapers in order to prevent them from pissing their seats when they all of the sudden remember SA-6 in flight?
>>29824833
Lol, clapburger gets all salty and defensive when proved to be incapable of providing any confirmation of MADL capabilities against anything better than lone SA-2 in the middle of nowhere.
>>29824852
This is literally the stupidest thing I've ever read.
>>29822957
>stealth planes rely on their hull shape for their stealth
>hurrrr having the bomb bay open doesn't alter this at all!!!!
Didn't realise krokodil would allow you to actually type once it had destroyed your higher brain functions....
>>29822781
F117 had no RWR
>>29823261
>NO! I SAID NOT STALIN! YOU FOOLS!
>>29823587
Hey! Hey you!
Get the fuck out of here with that logic, the fuck do you think you are??
>>29824855
>not being able to passively detect
>RWR by their very nature are passive
What do you think?
>>29824551
Good luck trying to hit what you can't see
>m-Muh L-band
Unless you have nuclear warheads on your SAM you're shit out of luck.
>>29824877
Operation Rimon 20.
:^)
>>29824877
Tough words from a people who is literary worse than kebab at air to air combat. Remember that the kikes got the last laugh, vatnik.
>>29824877
>MADL
The burden of proof is in your lap vatnik.
Ray theon claims they can defeat anything you gave, prove they cannot.
Work for your daily potato, Ivan.
>>29824461
This must be why vatniks are lagging behind in fighter development; they can't understand what sensor fusion is.
>>29824451
http://www.asiapacificdefencereporter.com/articles/217/electronic-warfare
>The AN/ASQ-239 Barracuda is based on the F-22 Raptor’s AN/ALR-94 suite, but is reportedly many times more sensitive than previous generations of RWR. The ten sets of RF antennae are distributed on the both wing leading and trailing edges and rear edges of the horizontal tail surfaces of the aircraft to collectively provide forward and aft Band 2,3,4 coverage. These locations provide excellent, almost spherical, spatial coverage allowing detection and geolocation of threats. Public data about this system is limited.
>spatial coverage allowing detection and geolocation of threats.
>geolocation
Also, while they don't list which capabilities belong to which: http://www.baesystems.com/en/product/electronic-warfare
>>29824877
>>29824763
>>29824653
>>29824347
>SA-2
No biggie, not even you vatniks can pretend that the Shit400 is nothing more than a few SA-2s strapped together and given a bit of cardboard to look prettier.
>>29824877
But your haven't proved anything you just say something along the lines of "lol Americlaps". Actually do something slav
>>29824677
>Correct me if I'm wrong but was the S-125 Neva manually guided to take down the F-117?
It was manually guided after a short blip and the active radar seeker allowed the missile to hit it. The funny thing is that Russians think they can hit an F-35 and B-2, which are vastly more modern weapons, with just their eyeballs like in Serbia.
>>29825158
>manually guided
Meant to say manually aimed. The missile did the rest after it flew.
>>29824964
so what does it mean?
You can detect the position of a radar passively with an RWR and allow a missile to be guided at it or no?
>>29825182
Probably not guide as such but you do get the location of the radar which would allow you to get a bomb or missile there by other means such as GPS or INS.
>>29824979
>what you can't see
This is what clapburgers actually believe.
>>29825015
>Ray theon claims
You claim you mother is not a whore. But in objective reality she is, which is apparently why you didn't have a chance receive proper education and learn to abstain yourself from referring to AD cartoons and blogs as viable sources of information. You are yet to prove MALD is capable to fool anything but a lone SA-2 in the middle of nowhere. But you can't. Because US has never engaged any threat greater than Iraqi "IADS".
>>29825242
See >>29825070
Vatniks eternally BTFO.
Try to counter claim me. You can't.
>>29825201
If you can see it you can manually track and guide.
Which is the only way vatniks ever would get a firing solution against a F-35
>>29822694
>and how it will jam radars? Right?
Don't think that was ever advertised. Northrop-Gruman's new bomber is supposed to, but not the 35.
>>29825287
Is that why Shittriot PAC-Shit is stuck in the past century with its antiqued angled launch?
>>29825304
Too bad we will never know that, since all clapburger rustbuckets will be knocked off from the sky being too fat to evade even AWACS-killer missiles.
>>29825242
>implying that russian radars are better than a nigger holding a microwave
Painting "NOT BOMBER" onto the side of a B-52 could probably fool the S400.
>>29825376
>Implying microwaves were not enough to fool USAF the last time
Even Serbs laugh at you, amerilard.
>>29825367
>implying that russian missiles are even capable of leaving the tube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s77cqabHsM
Nigger plz
There is a reason why even Estonia can tell you fucks to suck cock and all you can do is shake in rage and piss yourself.
>>29825367
Still no proofs that the Shit400 is any improvement over a baseline SA-2 :^)
>>29825406
>Implying clapburger air "force" is even capable of leaving the air field
The amounts of bait in this thread. Its just glorious.
>>29825406
>Dumbfuckistanian calls anyone a nigger
Tip top kekkity kek.
>>29825404
The yugos had the best russia had to offer at the time. The US lost two aircraft to lazy planning but raped the serbs like a russian whore.
Not a good example for filthy slavs
>>29822874
>SEAD/DEAD is a weapon.
Oh sergie
>>29825445
All those are both whiter and better members of society than your average russian
>>29825431
Leagues ahead of ANYTHING russia has to offer.
You niggers can't even get a Su-27 with a bodykit in the air.
>>29825431
Way better than the PAK-FA :^)
Not even the Poo-in-Loos want your wreck and that is more telling than anything.
>>29825417
>Salty dumbfuckistanian clapburger amerilard gets all defensive
http://www.almaz-antey.ru/en/catalogue/millitary_catalogue/
So are burger manchildren so insecure that they think cartoons are real or is it that MALD is simply shit?
>>29825512
>http://www.almaz-antey.ru/en/catalogue/millitary_catalogue/
>.ru
Not proofs, post real proofs
Not even gonna click that link, I'd end up in a russian botnet if I did.
>>29825367
>angled launch
Yes who uses angled launch?
Look at this tub,it must be the worst fucking niggers in the world who built this shitheap, right?
OP, you're an idiot.
The whole idea is to seduce the Russian Radar. All it takes is two shots of vodka, vanilla cologne and a few smooth lines and you got that fuckin' hot-ass Radar in your bed. Shit's all your, broski, just gotta slip it in and pound away. Never fails to put the Radar in your pocket.
It works, I guarantee it.
>>29825512
>does not approve of Raytheon as a source on the MALD
>posts almaz-antey as a source on the S400
Do you have literal brain damage or is it just the krokodil that made you this way?
>mfw Russians think a high energy radar is invisible
>>29825453
S-300 is available since 1978, imbecile. Almost 40 years later amerilards still can't figure out how to deal with anything more complicated than SA-2 and not to shit themselves.
>>29825469
Lol, wetback damage control.
>>29825489
Leagues ahead in ramming Alaska, suffocating pilots, software problems and inability to supercruise.
>>29825501
Way better in getting its ass all fried up.
>>29825531
This fatnik is of broken, bring another one.
>>29825531
>Not even gonna click that link, I'd end up in a russian botnet if I did.
So you're saying you're too stupid to have access to the internet AND you praise russian cyberwarfare capabilities.
>>29822694
Flying pantsu against radar
Just tape a gopro to the bottom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osX19NSvZUc
>>29823295
MALD will fool any Russian radar because it emulates any radar signature. Russia will need another radiation confirmation like sound or infrared. There's no defense against MALD unless Russians plan on flying sorties to visually confirm.
>>29825578
Basically. Digitally controled long band search radars are very hard to intercept via ESM and ELINT. Nebo-M supports the S-300 in searching for targets, basically while invisible in the electromagnetic spectrum.
>>29825546
>M-muh navy!
The dufference is that Project 1155 was built in the 80s and Shittriot PAC-Shit has angled launch in the year of our lord 2016.
>>29825575
An ad cartoon is not a source of any information. Almaz-Antey provides the actual data, Raytheon provides advertisement CGI.
>>29825618
Do you want to know how I can tell that you have not the faintest of clues about what you are talking about?
>>29825633
>Almaz-Antey provides the actual data
And I provide gold from my ass.
Post a neutral source.
