What does /k/ think of the Davy Crockett?
>>29819694
Not suitable for CC
SHALL
suitable for room clearing, and neighborhood clearing, and town clearing
>>29819789
And for Nazi Clearing
>>29819748
NOT
>>29819852
INFRINGED!!!!!!
>>29819817
What is this? An image for ants?
A solution to a problem that does not exist.
>>29819694
Remember the Alamo.
If I remember correctly the yield was only 10-12 ton equivalent, but they tended to be salted
>>29819694
Incredibly limited application, suitable only for when the existence of the free world is at stake, and you just don't give a shit what happens to the homeland of your allies.
They have one huge, glaring fucking flaw; they assume that tactical use of nuclear weapons would not cause escalating exchanges. As if A Davy Crockett would not cause the Reds to break out their Atomic Annie equivalents, leading us to break out short range cruise missiles, and back and forth until the battleground is too hot to send troops in (although we know now that they would have anyway, the Chernobyl Liquidators and the Johnson Atoll cleanup taught us that). "Limited theater exchange" was never recognized as a realistic scenario; everybody thinking with their heads instead of their throbbing atomic erections recognized that as soon as one warhead went off, everything would spiral out of control.
Still.
They are pretty fucking cool.
Big.
>>29819694
Kinda want one. Be cool to have around. I'll bet a replica costs a lot.
They're great for firing out of a Hind to destroy a top-secret weapons bureau after starting a coup against the Soviet Government.
That's about it though.
Perfect home defense weapon.
>>29819966
>"Limited theater exchange" was never recognized as a realistic scenario; everybody thinking with their heads instead of their throbbing atomic erections recognized that as soon as one warhead went off, everything would spiral out of control.
Not really accurate post 1975 or so.
>>29820013
This guy knows what he's talkin' about.
>>29820031
Deactivated by 1967. They had mostly smartened up by then. The Fallout-esque atomic fad was an artifact of the 40s and 50s.
I have no image for this, so I give you a '50s era nuclear prospecting instrument (not truly a "geiger counter," different mechanism, but similar function), that seems to have inspired the Fallout 2 pulse guns.
>>29819966
My grandfather was a tank commander serving on the border between West and East Germany (Coburg to be precise) in the late 50s and early 60s. His orders in the event of a full scale attack was to fight a delaying action against the Soviets for as long as possible while their families evacuated.
According to him he got issued a few Davy Crocketts in the early 60s. He said he was happy to have them since it gave his tank battalion the capacity to actually do some damage against the much larger forces he would likely face in the event of an invasion.
>>29819966
I think the point was for them to be a deterrent.
As I mentioned here....
>>29820301
The scenario I could see them being useful for would be the Soviets trying some manner of small scale offensive, then stopping and daring us to escalate it into WWIII. If that small scale offensive gets met with Davy Crocketts and results in thousands of Soviet troops dying almost immediately then you're going to have to abandon any concept of a small scale offensive..
>>29819694
Incredibly useful to allow for local tactical nuclear weapons low in the chain of command to allow for high responsiveness.
>>29819899
It doesn't exist...yet.
How big would the damage radius be if one of these were to be fired against a small country, such as, hypothetically, picking a country at random, Israel?
>>29820858
Against small nations (Especially those without their own nukes), it would be Hiroshima and Nagasaki all over again.
>>29820002
Pretty good!
>>29819920
The boss did it
>>29821108
>Especially those without their own nukes
But anon specified Israel
>>29821284
My point still stands. Even with nukes, Israel would still have a hard time with Davy Crockett's.
I was simply stating if they didn't have nukes they would be even more fucked.
>>29821108
Yield is equivalent to 10 to 20 tons of TNT.
Hirsoshima was equivalent to 21,000 tons of TNT and Nagasaki was equivalent to 15,000 tons of TNT
Its a very small nuke, its yield is smaller than many conventional aerial bombs; but you need a plane to deliver those, you can fire the Davy Crockett from a mortar that you can carry on the back of a Jeep.
KUWABARA KUWABARA
>>29820002
What are you referencing? Curious.
I still can't believe they made a fucking nerf Davy Crockett.
>>29821479
Metal Gear Solid 3. One of the few games that managed to make me get emotional at the end.
>>29819694
There was a day when the US military believed that "The Next War" would be decided with nuclear weapons and so they made that a center-piece of all their procurement choices.
They even had nuclear artillery shells made for the Iowa-class battleships.
>>29820200
I was talking about the idea that limited nuclear exchange was never seriously considered.
Post 1975 or so it absolutly was.
>>29821901
>They even had nuclear artillery shells made for the Iowa-class battleships.
That seems ludicrously impractical, yet awesome.
>>29819886
>What is this? An image for ants?
no an image for /k/unts :3
>>29819864
>>29819852
>>29819841
>>29819748
nukes aren't firearms
>>29820301
>Fragmentation casing
>Antenna
I can tell that picture was made by a moron.
>>29819694
>Retarded ex-cia neighbour comes home one day with one of these on the back of his pick up
>Ask him if it's real
>It is
>Ask him why he has it
>He responds with
"Muh rights"
>3:00am
>Hear his windows getting smashed by dindus
>Call cops and reach for the 9mm under my bed
>Hear neighbour cry out the words
"SAY HELLO TO MALCOM X FOR ME!"
>Entire neighbour hood insulted in atomic fire
>Mfw
Fucking gun nuts man
>>29821879
That's neato, imagne that instead of darts you'd put bullets in there and that big button would ignite all the primers at once. Perfect HD weapons when you have to deal with a pack of niggers.
Man crush used it so why not?
>>29823712
>> He responds
>"Muh rights."
Holy fuck this needs to be a banner.
>>29823477
The Davy Crockett is
>>29822956
>I was talking about the idea that limited nuclear exchange was never seriously considered.
>Post 1975 or so it absolutly was.
Oh, holy crap crap, I had that backwards? I was under the impression they got LESS batcrap crazy with time.
Hey guys, I know it gives everyone a kek to talk about using the davy crockett for home defense, but it's probably got a minimum arming distance.
>>29824146
You can tweak that I think
>>29820397
>thousands of troops
>due to Davy Crocketts
They weren't THAT powerful. The entire idea was that the blast would probably kill a group of tanks and prevent troops from entering the area due to radiation. They were only equivalent to 20 tonnes of TNT and I'm pretty sure even 70s tanks could survive a non-point blank blast. They used a Centurion as a test bed for a MUCH bigger explosion and it was still operational after all.
Crocketts were more about area denial than actual destruction. Same as most NBC weapons that weren't actual WMDs.
>>29820031
>>29822956
How did the doctrine change in regards to the possible use of nuclear weapons? I heard something about the targeting plans being revised in the 60s, with most potential targets now being military.
It's hard to get good information about these things. Nobody seems to know if the "Perimetr" system even exists for example.
Here's some Crockett. I think it's pretty lame honestly, and not something you want in the hands of the enlisted. But the small warheads like W54 certainly have their uses in things like torpedoes or atomic landmines.
>>29824379
When the Soviets and US promised ANY nuclear action would result in MAD.
That's why proxy wars took over and they just armed militant groups with their new shit to show the other side what they'd be facing in a non-nuclear war.
>>29824419
I was asking Opp, because I've seen him answer questions with real documents and actual proof, something that is pretty much unheard of on this website.
>>29824373
>a Centurion as a test bed for a MUCH bigger explosion and it was still operational
Yeah but the crew would have been fried by the blast. Obviously the Crockett is a much smaller yield, but I can't imagine it would be pleasant.
>>29824108
Limiting nuclear war is less crazy.
>>29824379
As the weapons became more accurate, the targeting changed. You no longer needed to target the population, you could target the factories where they worked.
Skilled people will survive no matter what you do, but if they have no place to use that skill, it wont matter.
The CC of the CPSU knew it existed. They described it as an emergency communications system akin to our own ERCS.
>>29824419
Massive retaliation died in the late 60s early 70s.
>>29824571
That's because both sides realised if you kill off the population, it doesn't mean you beat a country. Instead the way to win is to cause civil upheaval through starvation and upset.
Thats why the Russians had massive boners for nuking water ways, farmlands and ports since those 3 would literally cause the US to eat itself. US had similar ideas for Russia.
>>29824659
There is very little accurate in this post
>>29819966
>throbbing atomic erections
>>29822982
I've never been a bote sloot kind of guy, but I have to admit, Iowa is definitely my kind of thick.
>>29819852
YIFFED
>>29824659
>any year after 1958
>nuclear war not a game of negating retaliation
Any other methodology is stupid and wrong
>>29824571
>Massive retaliation died in the late 60s early 70s.
That's actually nice to hear.
>>29819694
>tfw a Metal Gear is often defined as a mobile nuclear launch platform, capable of defending itself
>when The Boss hefted up that Davy Crockett, she became a nuclear capable, mobile platform capable of self-defense
>tfw The Boss is a weapon to surpass Metal Gear
>>29819694
Needs more rails.
The SADM version was much better in terms of yield, it could go up to one kiloton and could be easily carried around by a single soldier.
We missed a trick in not sneaking these babies into Iran and holding the Ayatollah hostage in 1979, we could probably have used a similar tactic and essentially taken over the world, with every nation being seeded in its capital with nukes and forced to pay us a tribute.
>you will never live in the universe where America truly and utterly rules the world.
>>29819966
>>29819937
Imagine one with today's technology implemented.
Like if they had a payload a hundred times larger and could be fired from a drone.
What's with the cannon mounted underneath? Spotting gun?
>>29825446
This. The fact that the boss had Davie crockett in the first place negates the purpose of shagohod being created, might as well duplicate Davie crockett and send in hinds armed with them instead.
>>29823477
Actually , yes it is at least not trans-continental ones
>>29824571
I remember when you got doxxed so you're probably hesitant to give out information on yourself, but what is your degree in if you have one. Did you just apply to your current job or did you work with the military or something beforehand.
>>29823477
The USC doesn't specify what kind of arms it covers, therefore it covers them all.
>>29823747
So a grenade?
>>29825708
That's the actual Davy Crockett. The thing on top is basically just for show.
>>29823477
So?
>>29826735
I have never been in the military.
>>29819694
It's king of the wild frontier.
>>29824373
That's 20 tons of TNT per projectile. We're talking about a over a dozen of these things and it takes under a minute to reload one.
I think if you ambushed a large infantry formation with them casualties in the thousands is a pretty safe bet.
>>29827439
Someone named you a while back and I looked up your papers. I had intended to go back and read a few but then I forgot your name and couldn't find them.
So instead, can I ask why you feel embargoes on nations are ineffective? (I think I remember reading that...)
>>29819694
>tfw no davy crockett hwacha
why live
Could you mount one to the back of a Toyota pick up truck.
>>29830176
the whole doctrine of them was to mount them to the back of jeeps, launch them at incoming commies, and then fuck off.
so yes.
>>29830216
I must wonder how many were actually made?
>>29830187
So I can drive my Toyota Hilux and shoot nuclear warheads at people.
How much does one cost?
>>29830246
2100 warhead were apparently made according to wikipedia. I'm not sure if that's Davy Crockett warheads or the whole series of W54 warheads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv_q8q6Z9_I
9:10 for the detonation, which is rather unspectacular.
>>29823477
>bear arms of any type
>not just the fire type
>anything at all
>nukes included
>>29833272
Das it, mayne.
Seems only suitable to be operated by disgruntled postal workers because there's no way in hell you are escaping the fallout from that thing.
Cold war was fucked
imagine a propellant charge misfire with this.
>The weapon did not have an abort function; if fired, the warhead would explode
>>29819789
Nuclear CQC?
>>29823712
> insulted in atomic fire
I just got the mental image of John Cleese in armor taunting people of I'm Hiroshima as they burned. And I liked it.
>>29826619
Do you jest? Davy Crockett is a fucking firecracker, its power with a standard Mk-54 warhead is 20 tons of TNT, that's only twice as much as the power of a conventional MOAB.
>>29833324
Depends on the wind and how fast you move.
>>29823477
>bear ARMS
Though some could say it's an ordinance.
>>29833324
See >>29834282
Crockett's yiled is almost 15 times smaller than that of the Little Boy. You should probably retreat after firing, but you'll be perfectly fine.
>>29824099
Davy Crockett is a recoilless rocket launcher. It's not a firearm, it's artillery. You didn't see any Minutemen running around with cannons.
>>29834321
But you did... The marches on Lexington and Concord were there to seize privately owned cannons and the ammunition for them.
>>29834326
Well, maybe. I'll admit I don't know the history of the American Revolution that well.
>>29834334
From the wikipedia article.
>Using detailed information provided by Loyalist spies, the grenadier companies searched the small town for military supplies. When they arrived at Ephraim Jones's tavern, by the jail on the South Bridge road, they found the door barred shut, and Jones refused them entry. According to reports provided by local Loyalists, Pitcairn knew cannon had been buried on the property. Jones was ordered at gunpoint to show where the guns were buried. These turned out to be three massive pieces, firing 24-pound shot, that were much too heavy to use defensively, but very effective against fortifications, with sufficient range to bombard the city of Boston from other parts of nearby mainland.
What would happen if we gave mediaval France 110 lbs compound bows with sights?
Would they have destroyed the English longbowmen?
>>29834287
Oppen, if you wan answer this:
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