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Old thread here >>29806337
>>29809838
DELET THIS!!! NOW!!!
>>29809838
>ak
>good
pick one, faggots.
>>29809853
WASR seems to be the golden standard now, which is pathetic honestly.
>>29809837
>>29809853
Wait. You bitched for a new thread just to post that?
![WP_20151228_020[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bGV9dc9.jpg "WP_20151228_020[1].jpg")
In for hilarity and indignant butthurt.
>>29809838
so i just got my arsenal like a week ago, and after 400 rounds the hammer literally stopped working, it looks like theres a crack in it and it's super deformed. I contacted them and they said they'd fix it up but I'm still waiting on them to send a shipping label.
>>29809870
wow that finish looks like shit, fucking arsenal
>>29809871
Just refinish it. :^
>>29809838
God, I almost bought an Arsenal. Instead I turned around and built my own AR with that money.
Thank god.
>>29809877
im all outta black paint spray, just have silver, should i use that instead?
>>29809876
It's their premium finish. Totally bubble-proof.
>>29809814
That and they won't release more plum and OD waffles so the market for them has gone apeshit.
People think their plum ((10)) is worth $200 because its been since Chief Thunder brought them in for dirt cheap in 2000.
Meanwhile Arsenal can still produce them yet they're "collectable" priced.
>>29809885
how much did you pay for that dude
>>29809876
>Blames Arsenal for the lame finish on WASR's bigger brother
>>29809884
Always.
>>29809567
I see literally nothing about bad hammers on the SLR-107 on google other than their shitty two stage triggers. Are you just shitposting or what
>>29809903
Is that Eric July?
>>29809870
Hey, how many top loaders do you have?
Just the 1?
Any more drums/RPK mags recently aquired, or have you gone fully over to ARs?
>>29809838
How long till Arsenal hops and facebook or AK files and does serious damage control?
>>29809838
Have to say,it's turning interesting this past week.
>>29809914
Never
>>29809911
Nope. Death Grips.
>>29809848
First it was the Century and I.O guns proving U.S Made is shit for AK's, now even the god tier arsenal has fallen, AK's are junk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48H34ukFe8g&spfreload=10
>>29809914
>Arsenal
>Actually communicating with the pleb masses who pay for their shit
Pick one.
So wait.
>Vepr and arsenal finish is shit tier
>Arsenal is using shitty parts as well
>DDI and Wasr is being pushed up as best now
>AK prices are increasing
>Decent AR15 prices decreasing
Fuck, the ARfags are right.
>>29809920
>>29809928
But are they actually going to be doing anything about this?
>>29809933
Actually, word around AK files is that DDI is starting to shit the bed too.
So, basically, the only good AKs now are WASRs and part kit guns put together buy a competent gunsmith.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX73uXs3xGU&spfreload=10
>>29809838
This entire year has been terrible for AK faggots. First the mud tests and now this? I can't believe how shitty the U.S. AK market it.
>>29809933
DDI is shit, tons O problems, from canted sights, to components made from junk metal.
CEO is a fuckboi too.
>>29809838
NEW OFFICIAL RANKINGS SPREAD EM AROUND
1. WASR
2. N-PAP
3. DDI
4. CENTURY MADE RIFLES
5. I.O
6. ARSENAL
>>29809957
Where do kit builds rank at?
>>29809938
I guess i was very lucky to get my WASR last year then.
>>29809961
Up your duq is where.
I kid, Khyber Pass/10.
>>29809961
Everywhere and nowhere.
>>29809961
too varied, presuming you get one from a builder with a good reputation anywhere from DDI-Above WASR tier.
For the people posting their guns/wear in the last thread don't listen to the retard about the Hammers. The MIM Hammers did have SOME issues on breaking but only very rarely. The new SLR-107s are fine in terms of the hammers. Another thing about the "bent"ness as long as the weapon still fires and functions it matters not, it's an AK.
As for the current problems with melting finish, and rust under said paint and other things we'll have to see how it goes. It could just be a bad gun. I've shot mine for awhile and have done stress tests on it, and probably ran through at least 3000 rounds on it, and yes I mag dump from time to time as well and no boiling paint.
tl;dr don't listen to people shit posting their dicks off your rifle is most likely fine.
>>29809957
>Arsenal under IO
I don't know if the fell THAT far.
It's definitely not looking good though.
>>29809957
>NPAP is #2
FUCK THAT SHIT. Fucking weak-walled shit is as bad as IO
>>29809975
>All these excuses and damage control
Fuck that.
Arsenal has been coddled far too long.
>Canted sights on a WASR
It's junk
>Canted sights on an Arsenal
Can it be zeroed? It's fine, its an AK.
The only reason they should be charging a premium is to put out a premium product with zero issues.
>And to take care of customers who do have problems, which they don't do either.
>>29809986
Put pre-ban AKs in #2.
So should I get my Arsenal cerakoted?
OR should I just cut my losses and sell it for 600 bucks before its value completely tanks?
>>29810014
I'll buy it for 600$
>>29810014
They won't go below $800 even though yea I think everyone with one should prepare for a resale value drop
>>29809986
but where is ur proof
>>29809999
I didn't say ANYTHING about canted sights did I?
I was talking about those two specific AKs that asked about their hammers. Their hammers are fine and everyone just trying to shitpost harder than they normally do. I for one has had ZERO problems with any arsenal AKs I've owned.
>>29810014
Just fucking keep it you cunt
>>29810018
No, but he is illustrating something ive thought for a long time myself.
once you go black you don't go back
>>29810018
>I for one has had ZERO problems with any arsenal AKs I've owned
More excuses and handwaving.
Just because you didn't mention canted sights, doesn't mean it hasn't been an issue; one often excused away by Arsenal apologists like yourself.
Time to stop placating to Arsenal and make them put out a product that they actually stand behind, not just the one that makes them the most money.
>>29810035
I suppose it is true but that's just people being fucks. If a rifle is shit I'll call it shit no matter what it is. I was just pointing out that whoever was saying the hammers were garbage was a fucking idiot so those anons didn't worry about anything other than their gun melting.
>>29810050
I'm not a shill dude. I'm just saying if it can be zeroed and the rifle still works it is fine.
>>29810054
Fair enough.
I did go a little overboard, but the general thought of that statement is still true.
Until people, en mass, start bitching about these problems and stop letting them get away with it, it will continue to happen.
And possibly get worse.
> Be U.S pleb with commercial civilian made "AK's " with tons of issues.
If Hillary is elected I'm moving to russia, decent gun laws, can buy real deal Surplus AKM, third pin intact.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7wdmuT43wE&spfreload=10
>>29810077
Does a wasr with that same problem also demand $1200.
>>29809902
Call it lame all you want, it doesn't drip off my RPK's barrel after I empty a drum. :^
>>29810078
It should be true for any Rifle. It's hard to think that many people have problems with their arsenals because if you Google problems about it there is not that much to go on so maybe people think it's just theirs. No rifle is gonna be perfect I'm sure but as long as you can use it I think it's fine.
The only thing I was trying to do was assure those anons that the hammers were fine.
>>29810097
theres no empty a drum with a semi auto rifle.
>>29810085
I thought you couldn't own semi-auto's even after the 5 years since you've gotten your full-bore license.
>>29809913
Just that one. I have two AK drum mags, both Romanian. one is the surplus you see there, the other is a new-production back-loader. Both haven't given me a single issue.
I will say I prefer the surplus one, and not just for its authenticity. I think the top-loading is a better method.
>>29810077
Yes, but on a premium priced rifle, there shouldn't be any issue with cant.
That's what every WASR detractor has had issue with (and the poorly cut magwells), and they were only $300 when that was a problem.
We're talking about a $1k rifle.
That should be completely unacceptable, but people always wave it off as it's "within spec".
I'm tired of it, and you and everyone else should be too.
>>29810088
I suppose not and I'm not going to look into the perks of a arsenal over a WASR. Honestly fuck Arsenal WASR is the way to go.
>>29810101
Bruh
>>29810112
Cool. Just curious.
I have a lot of RPK mags including a couple top loaders, but I was tardy to the party on those AES10Bs on Palmetto so no RPK to go with them.
And I'm not paying a grand or more for one on the secondary market because "It's never going to be imported again" bullshit.
AK fags losing it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s71KSreIhU8&spfreload=10
>>29810125
That $499 sale was a complete and total fluke. Like, gun deal of the year, no exaggerating. They were an absolute steal at that price, but $1000+ is just stupid unless you have the money to piss away on what's really just a novelty.
>>29810127
This is more accurate, replace buds with arsenal.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs_AiQccyPg
>>29810142
Yeah, it really was.
So pissed at myself for waiting too long.
Win some, lose some.
Thanks for the pause in shitposting for the convo, here's a pic of my 100 rounder.
>>29810125
Happy I bought $15 molot 40's from that guy from russia on the akfiles, he disappeared.
>>29810149
>>29810127
kek
>>29810162
>Thanks for the pause in shitposting
It's 4AM mang, my shitposting has its limits.
The best part about all this Arsenal asshurt is the "Experts" who clearly had never handled the rifle to see all these flaws that have come out of the fucking woodwork over the past days and then the owners who touted them as superior and called everyone poorfags when it turns out the arsenal is on par with a $600 WASR-10 but dressed up in fancy plastic.
>>29810166
Molot steelies?
Because if you try and say you goy 40 bakes for $15, nobody is going to believe that.
time to get rid of your arsenals and buy wasrs boys.
I'll buy your Arsenals off you for $550 each.
>>29810190
>Now my phone is /pol/ correcting.
Got not goy.
>mfw own pleb 7.62 century romanian wasr and 5.45 slr arsenal
![091600_1810[00].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GcAyimk.jpg "091600_1810[00].jpg")
>>29809838
So you're telling me, that my WASR is superior to an Arsenal?
>>29809945
>>29809853
Every thread until you faggots learn...
Alright, you fags have forced me to put my trip back on so that on 4chinz, as in real life, I must become your shaman again: Consuming mushrooms while rolling around in the parking lot so that I might tell you the fucking truth.
Now while I have much love for Ian, this test simulates one thing: Burying an AR under mud for ten seconds and then firing it.
It does not simulate field conditions where a rifle will be exposed to adverse environments for long periods of time. It does not simulate a rifle being carried and maneuvered with in a training environment.
A better test would be something like pic related: An ugly slurry of silt containing a super fine particulate. That's the kind of mud that you're most likely to encounter. Anyone who's been to basic training at Fort Benning and done the Night Infiltration Course will tell you how nasty this shit is. While the sealed system argument is a good argument, no system is truly sealed and this kind of mud WILL ingress into an AR and if it hits the trigger group or gets applied too thickly to the receiver walls, it will fail.
Am I spouting the AR's are unreliable meme? No. It's a good rifle and after decades of continued trial and error, it's come into its own and can be relied upon.
However, it is not as rugged as an AK. The AK is interference fit on a twelve ton press and then pinned and riveted together on top of that. This makes it sturdy as fuck and its built to loose clearances. While it is still an unsealed system, these things are sturdy as fuck and can stand up to repeated impact and neglect. Should you do this?
>(cont.)
>>29809838
Arsenal definitely browses akfiles, and probably has people poring over Rob's videos.
How the fuck are they going to answer for the SLR's finish melting? What if the 107 doesn't pass the test and/or encounters all sorts of horrible problems that such a "premium ak" shouldn't encounter?
Will Arsenal start offering refunds on the XM55 batch of AKs? Free refinishing? Attempt to sweep the results under the rug and hope it blows over?
>>29810304
In terms of finish, most definitely.
It remains to be seen how the rest of the gun functions.
>>29810305
No. A clean rifle is a happy rifle and a little maintenance will preserve the life of the firearm. However, the flip side of this is that filth can also leave or find space within the receiver. The AR does this by making sure that 95% of that filth never gets there in the first place but it's more of a maintenance hog. It requires effort to maintain that reliability. Particular when you're dealing with something like the moon dust of the middle east: A super-fine particulate that will, like muddy water, get into everything.
Watch this video and then count how many rounds it takes the shooter to get his weapon to cycle normally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEWAbN938Ro
This would completely deadline an AR until you could do a complete garrison cleaning job on the rifle. This is why the AK has a reputation for reliability. Its not some superweapon that can fire itself clean of six inches of mud up it's bore after being dropped in a tarpit, it is a mechanical device and it can fail. It's just that it's more resistant to all of the little nicks and dings that come with running around with it innawoods and it will do so while being more forgiving about maintenance.
So when you post shitty tests that are designed to let one rifle pass while another fails from the outset, it betrays a lack of understanding as to what goes into these things.
So, the bottom line is that, just like AK inaccuracy, AR unreliability is a myth. Though, as a caveat, an AK is (slightly) mechanically less accurate than an AR while an AR is a (somewhat) inherently less Reliable design.
tl;dr: They're different but they both work.
Let's exchange rare AK mag pepes, here's mine.
>>29810306
Its too late, the damage has already been done in the AK community.
>>29810306
Arsenal wont do shit I guarantee it, they have the worst customer service in the business.
They will say, and do nothing about this whatsoever.
>I want an AR
>Now I want an AK
>tfw I can't escape the 'infinite wants' economics axiom
I'mm too poor to be happy.
>>29810304
Not that tapco'd abomination.
What the fuck did that rifle do to you to deserve those garbage "accessories"?
when we gonna see the rest of what has become of the Arsenal AK?
>>29810393
Thursday is when the video is supposed to be posted.
>>29810421
Man hopefully the Arsenal hasn't failed elsewhere or this will be the most embarrassing assblasting test in AKOU history.
>>29810351
If arsenal doesnt do a recall on XM55 rifles, or make some kind of statement, they will seriously hurt their brand.
20,000 people have viewed the AKfiles thread alone, this is blowing up.
A complete recall on XM55 marked rifles with replacement, or refund is the only thing that will cover their ass on this.
>>29810490
It's sort of a pain in the ass for me because I have a XM55 marked rifle but, I have yet to run into any problems with the finish so I'm not really sure about anything at this point.
>>29810501
How hot have you gotten it?
What's your serial range Mine is XM 55 08XX
>>29810318
Please pretty please I need my pretty purple plum pepe
>>29810509
I've shot 4 magazines rather quickly. I've dumped about 1,000 rounds through it so far. Got it last month.
XM 55 10XX
>>29810509
Honestly adding onto that maybe I'm lucky or something but I'm probably gonna go easy on this gun until everything gets sorted out. I was reading into it and it seems it's only really the finish that is fucked the rifles still function alright (can't say anything about the rust though)
>>29810620
>>29810620
>>29810630
How do you deal with your solar tac? Some of my old mags have a hole through the baseplate where I had ran a bolt through to make it easier to work, from before I said fuck it and went to a monsterman. You got any tricks? or do you just deal with it as is?
>>29810654
http://www.strikeindustries.com/shop/index.php/products/rifle-accessories/ak/ak-ambidextrous-strike-lock-ak-strike-lock-ambi.html
This is so much superior.
>>29810654
I deal with it as is. If someone tries to kick down my door, I'll grab my AK.
Then I'll grab my other AK.
Then I'll grab my AR.
If there's still more shooting to be done, I'll grab my Glock.
If I'm apparently fighting the mongol horde and I've exhausted all of those options, I'll go for the 1911.
>>29810427
Rob said it's still running but there are "other problems".
>on my phone, best screen shot I can muster.
fuck fuck fuck FUCK
My SLR-107fr is supposed to arrive tomorrow and I've already bought an Ultimak scout rail and 3 surplus mags for it along with 500 rounds.
What the fuck do I do? Am I just screwed out of $1000+ now? I can't just show up to my LGS and be like "nah nvm lol" can I?
>>29810490
And theres more than just Rob's rifle that it's happening to.
>This was one guy's after only 50 rounds.
While not as bad as others, 50 rounds is nothing.
It also doesn't look parked under that paint.
>>29810664
I might have liked that if they had left the bottom option open as well, I don't see any reason not to have all three.
>>29810676
Fair enough. Long as it works for you.
>>29810620
>>29810630
what ak is that?
>>29810714
Depends on the place you ordered it from and their policy on returning firearms.
Like this is Bud's policy
>VERY IMPORTANT - FIREARM RETURNS !! Please take your time to inspect all firearms thoroughly BEFORE proceeding with the transfer. Once a new firearm is transfered to you it is considered used, even if unfired. Consequently, we cannot provide a full refund for new firearms once they have been transferred into your possession.
So if you accept the transfer, you can only ship it back to the manufacturer if there's a problem.
>>29810715
Rust
>>29810845
On the little spot showing through?
Never seen "white" rust that looks like bare metal.
>>29809838
>tfw I bought a Mini Draco partly to avoid is mess
>>29810917
>Actually bought a Mini Draco
>Drake posting
>>29810729
holy fuck
Where do Maadis fall on the list? Should I just get a WASR instead?
That's what happens when you buy products when there in a rush to shit them out. At least the barrel didn't explode like some in the AR community.
Lel, 2 weeks ago I decided to buy a wasr and ammo instead of ordering a 107. Best decision ever
My 107FR works fine. Best decision ever. Paint is still good after two years and 3K rounds.
>>29809933
I have a Vepr 12, I haven't been magdumping with it but the finish seems to be OK
>>29809957
NEW NEW OFFICIAL RANKINGS? :
>Vepr
>Saiga
>WASR / OPAP
>NPAP
>DDI
>Century
>Arsenal
>I.O.
>>29809838
im gonna take my SAR M14F Arsenal to the range and do some mag dumps to see if it affects my finish as well. beyond that i havent seen any kind of rust in the all the tight spots.
>>29811043
they are generally pretty tough to find, but are made with the same machinery as the Russian AKMs. So quality-wise they should be up there.
>>29810490
The first video of the finish bubbling on a guy with a serial outside the XM 55 range is going to be the beginning of an incredible shitstorm.
>>29810085
>Russia
>Decent gun laws
retard
>all these assblasted centuryshits jumping at any issue that arises with arsenals
Loooool
>>29811522
>All these Arsenalshits defending a product with long overdue unaddressed issues
FTFY
More hand waving, deflecting, and excuses to come.
>>29811572
One shitty batch.
>>29811572
Bruv I think you need to read this and the last thread, it's just a bunch of poorfags shitting on arsenal as if they haven't had QC issues like any other AK manufacturer. Any manufacturer can produce lemons, why would you expect arsenal to produce 100% quality rifles every time when no other manufacturer can do so?
>rust underneath
>paint bubbling
>possibly whole xm55 serial line effected
Sounds like a bad park job.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWxHN62LiGk
>>29811639
Because they charge $400 more than any other manufacturer so it had better not have those problems 1-200 more with their problems they could get away with not $1200 when the next rifle down is $800 with everything but the folder.
>>29811712
>400 more than any manufacturer
Nope there are plenty of AK manufacturer charging 800-1200 for rifles and even they have had issues including custom shops like Definitive Arms. Also you are paying for the parts for example the barrel is really good quality and built on good machining, you also have the folder which alone is like 100-250, also the muzzle brake is a nice addition and something equivalent (not tapco shit) 30-90. When you actually take everything into account it's really not much more than other rifles. The problem here I suspect is that the parkerization wasn't applied properly or at all which led to the rusting and bubbling. Another thing to take into account is that Arsenal probably won't be bringing these in for a few years because of all the military contracts and the serial number agrees with recent manufacturer date. With all the extra work they are probably swamped and just trying to shit out as many rifles as possible.
>More hand waving, deflecting, and excuses to come.
>>29811589
>One shitty batch.
>>29811639
>it's just a bunch of poorfags shitting on arsenal
Called that shit, as if there was going to be any other response from Arsenal apologists.
New sling
FACEBOOK UPDATE
>>29811764
That looks pretty comfy.
>>29811763
2/10
>>29811765
Rob is truly best slav.
>>29811765
Arsenal is literally raping us.
>>29811763
>excludes any possible response
>le troll image I told u so
babbies first troll post
>>29811762
Yes which makes it a $900 rifle new not a $1200 like they are currently 200 for a new professionally done finish and 100 for a new fcg.
Threadly reminder.
>>29811133
>vepr above saiga
That's debateable.
>>29811790
It is till you shoulder the gun and it tries to slit your throat.
I like the design but the webbing is so stiff even compared to surplus. (Hopefully it'll break in)
>>29811834
200 for the finish assuming you want your rifle refinished professionally, most people just use spray paint. Also if your shit is bubbling you shouldn't refinish it but return it.
>100 for a new fcg
lolwat.
>>29811802
Keep drinking that Arsenal koolaid.
>The rust is premium rust and its a feature.
>You need to refinish your brand new out of the box $1k rifle anyway, because the bubbly paint feature doesn't last long.
>It's fine, it just an AK.
>Why are you too poor to afford the premium garbage, I mean features, Arsenal is willing to sell us slobs.
This is you.
>>29811858
>refinishing a fucked up rifle
youre mentally retarded
>>29811858
Mad poorfag is really mad.
>>29811858
>had the idea to refinish the rifle instead of return it
Your hypothetical scenario just goes to show how dumb you are buddy. Why would you refinish it instead of getting a refund or returning and exchanging for another one? Are people on /k/ real this dumb?
>>29811865
Reading comprehension much?
>>29811878
>I have zero rebuttal, so I'll just call him poor.
.50 has been deposited to your account.
Thanks for deflecting from our issues.
t.Arsenal
>>29811856
Soft hammers mate again with it being done professionally like I would expect for a $1200 rifle so if I could by one in the white with no FCG for $900 I would.
>>29811900
Arsenal often will try to not accept the rifle.
>>29811843
I don't see anything wrong with Flandre's post here. If you bought an Arsenal AK expecting to get a good finish then you're simply ignorant and didn't do your homework.
>but it's unacceptable on a $1k rifle!
The consumer decides what's acceptable and what's not acceptable. The minute you complete the transaction, you have "accepted" that the product is worth your money. What's acceptable is subjective and there's no universal rule.
My 104UR was scuffed out of the box, but I found that "acceptable" and it didn't bother me, because I had finally acquired a factory built krinkov.
Only good can come of this in the long run, hopefully the backlash is bad enough that Arsenal steps up their game.
>>29811900
That pic is from the thread on the files.
And it wasn't refinished.
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3238971&postcount=677
>>29811906
I have great reading comprehension, you haven't refuted anything I've said kid. If you're attempting to refinish that you're fucking retarded. That same paint is present in Saigas and VEPRS. Take brake cleaner to any of them and watch the finish melt away.
>>29811914
A hammer is cheaper than 100, you can get two FCGs for that much.
>>29811928
Or charge you an exorbitant amout to fix a factory fuck up.
They don't stand behind their product at all.
>>29811943
You're proving my point that all manufacturers make lemons.
>>29810729
How the fuck do you hold that?
>>29811946
Professionally installed I can get 2 with labor?
>>29811996
An fcg is easy to replace. No need for a smith.
For sbr candidate what would be better,
M92 pap or draco?
Really want to build an sbr now as private manufacture is legal in my state again.
Considering this route, or getting a stripped AR lower and doing sbr after I finish setting my WASR up..
>>29811967
Ok. We'll see how many more lemons Arsenal let slip by.
I remember when NPAPs were spouted as "better than WASRs" by all akg, but it only took Rob running one over and it was junk.
I don't have a pony in this race, all my guns are kit builds, it's just hilarious to see you arsenal shills squirm for excuses.
>More its just a bad batch
>More every manufacturer puts out lemons
>More if it can be zeroed canted sights are fine.
>>29811999
Nope I will need a smith because I expect a professional job don on it not my terrible hack job same as the diy finish kits all work if I'm spending over 1000 will be done bye some one who knows more than what you learn in 2 youtube videos considering thats how I broke a computer "its just plug and install shit you can do it" no
>>29812022
>I want to make my AK less accurate and louder, what route do I take?
I see you've truly accepted the path of the AK over the AR.
>>29812048
Lol
>>29812046
Arsenal has always had QC issues. No one ever bought an Arsenal because their QC was good. You buy them for the parts they come with. I don't have an Arsenal I'm just calling it as it is.
>>29812048
The FCG is held in by two pins and is the easiest component to change next to dust cover and gas tube. If you can't change out your FCG you probably shouldn't own the rifle. You don't even need any tools for the job.
>>29812066
>>29812071
I also have an ar15 that does not eject by thinking I can do stuff on my own so no anything that is more complicated than cleaning will not be done by me.
>>29812090
That's different than an AK fcg. Find a video online and see how easy it is.
>>29810490
I have an XK 55 serial. I'm still good, right?
>>29812097
You sound like the same kind of people that believes everyone can lean enough through youtube I need some one to make sure I do it right the first time in anything more complicated than legos, and I probably needed help with those the first time to.
>>29809951
[citation needed]
>>29812127
This is actually something you can learn though. I'm not good with mechanical shit either but AK FCG is incredibly simple and easy to install
>>29812099
Have you shot your rifle? Shoot 3-4 mags consecutively and if no issues then you're fine
>>29812127
You don't even need a YouTube video, it's not that hard to just look inside an AK receiver and see what needs to be done. See what holds what in place and then take it out in logical order.
>>29812128
Isn't ddi going to start making side folders eventually?
>>29812071
>You buy them for the parts they come with
Then why not just buy the parts and have a competent AK builder build properly fit and finished rifle?
Buying a premium priced rifle with no QC just because it folds it retarded at best.
>Yes I know that's not the only part different from other, less costly rifles.
>>29810085
>Choosing to move to Russia for better gun laws
>Not considering Switzerland instead
>Not considering Czech Republic as well
WHEW
H
E
W
>youtube "how to assemble [gun thing]" on youtube
>first 3 videos are all 45+ minutes long
>click one
>it's some autistic sperg talking for 30 minutes while the camera stares at his gun rest
>holds up a tiny piece to the camera so close that it blurs out
>looks like 3 other tiny pieces at this angle
>put this in the flimmamajabber (can't tell what he really said, because he says it through his nose in his whiny autism voice)
>uses hamhands to hide whatever he's doing, because he's shooting a narrative, not an instructional video, apparently
Too bad I'm not an attention whore or I would create "actually useful" instructional videos on how to assemble/deassemble common guns and gun parts.
>>29812168
Some people do do that, that's not viable for all people because shipping might be too much or there is no one local to do it. You also get a barrel made on Steyr machinery, idk if those come with the kits or not.
>>29812168
Between the folding trunnion, folding stock, CHF barrel, and new production foreign made parts, not to mention the foreign made receiver that you can't buy anywhere, you'll end up paying roughly the same amount for a rifle with less resale value. Any competent AK builder doing a build from the ground up plus a finish job is probably going to cost more, actually.
>>29812171
>tfw watched the Brownells video when I got my M1
After watching it twice, I still remember most of the disassembly
>>29812127
Dude.
>Take out bolt carrier
>Pull the trigger while holding the hammer so it doesn't slam center support
>Rotate safety up and pull out
>Remove wire retainer (or hopefully retainer plate)
>Pull up hammer spring legs and wrap around hammer. Secure with twist tie/rubberband unless you like bleeding.
>Push both pins out
>Remove trigger and hammer
Installation is the reverse.
It's ezpz.
>Except reinstalling that fucking shepherds crook.
Fuck that thing.
>>29812168
You can't guarantee the quality of parts with a built kit. A new rifle should come new and if something is fucked up you can probably get some exchange or refund, not always the case with a builder.
>>29812167
They showed off a triangle side folder on an AKM receiver so I would guess so.
https://www.k-var.com/shop/BP-AKS74R-1.html
https://www.k-var.com/shop/BP-AKS74B-1.html
http://whatacountry.com/bulgarian-ak-74-parts-kit.aspx
Which of these would be the best for the price I also have a kvar poly sidefolder and rear stuff from a couple years ago before I found out that no gunsmith in my local area would/could change a wasr to it and what gunsmiths do good ak74 builds?
>>29812215
Get a retainer plate instead, they're literally only $5.
>>29812185
What's so special about a combloc receiver?
All the other shit one can find.
>Less resale value
What kind of monster sells guns?
I'm not actually against Arsenal, Chimps.
I just want people to stop accepting some of the subpar shit they're putting out as "acceptable", when it's not.
Gotta get people to stand up together or we end up with shit like the WASRs of yesteryear, except they cost a grand and have some nifty upgraded parts on a turd.
>>29812215
or you do it the fast way
>take out pin retainer
>push out pins
>let parts spring out of receiver
>collect them with a broom
>>29812265
I use them exclusively, but he might not have one.
And the shepherds crook is a hassle to fuck with.
>>29812290
I don't even have anything other than my wasr I was planing to buy a 104 before this shitstorm now I'm looking for alternatives.
>>29812281
I'd at least recommend putting a bag over it.
You don't want to lose anything, like an eye.
Also good luck pushing out the hammer pin under the pressure of the spring without using an actual hammer.
I need this in my life. Fucking sanctions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=7dym1b4RB8M
>>29812300
Then get a SGL-31
>>29812372
>Gas tube mounted bipod
I need this.
>>29812382
>doesn't trust arsenal at the moment
>look heres a arsenal modified saiga
So all in all, how bad is this?
Is it "I need to get my rifle duracoated/ceracoated after the finish melts, but everything else seems alright" bad?
Or is it "my rifle will fetch 500 bucks if I sold it right now, tops" tier?
>>29812459
No one knows yet, but these incidents of rust showing up all of a sudden doesn't bode well.....
>>29812459
>Cerakoting or Duracoating an AK
Just degrease it and spray it with black high temperature paint (Grill paint, engine paint, etc) then bake it on.
I don't see the point in Cerakoting something unless you're going to keep it on a boat, or it actually needs to be refinished and holds sentimental value.
>>29812658
the ceramic finish is pretty damn neat bro
>not wanting a good non-stick cooking surface for taking your AK innawoods
>>29812658
>don't see the point in Cerakoting something
It looks like we have an Arsenal company man among us!
>>29809933
>Vepr
>shit-tier
I have a Vepr in 308 and 12 gauge with almost five thousand rounds through each of them, only finish wear is on the slide.
>>29812411
Well then get a Saiga. I own 3 Arsenals, 1 SLR-107FR, 1 SGL-31 and a SAM7.
>>29811765
Mike McLean BTFO by based Rob Ski
>>29811765
>IT'S JUST THE FINISH
Are people just willfully sticking their heads in the ground?
>>29810149
Nofunz here. What's wrong with the revolver he was shipped? Looks exactly the same.
>>29811765
God damn Rob, fucking based.
I got a question, I converted my seiga 7.62 a while back and always meant to refinish it. What is the best finish a home gamer can apply?
>>29810318
>.gif
>It actually cycles shades of plum
Please pretty please I need my pretty purple plum pepe
>>29812801
Appliance epoxy
>>29812822
Woahhhh
>had my arsenal for about 4 years now
>no problem aside from the shitty finish that I had redone a while back
Not even surprised desu.
>>29812801
Cerakote
>>29812071
>Arsenal has always had QC issues. No one ever bought an Arsenal because their QC was good.
That's literally WHY people buy from Arsenal, you Arse and All
>>29809933
>Vepr finish
>shit tier
What? I'm pretty sure it's just engine block paint but it looks nice and doesn't bubble off.
wew lad, this arsenal shitstorm. Glad I got a WASR
Is there really anything wrong with DDI? They seem to have great customer service, and KGgunkote on every rifle seems like a win in terms of finish. Is /k/ just blowing everything out of proportion as usual?
>>29813018
I have never heard anything wrong with DDI. This just started a few threads ago.
lel stupid sexy flanders dropping truth down on Rob
>>29813018
>>29813026
it does seem like they have great CS. the issues with DDI rifles are more recent, like within the last 6 months
>>29813018
WASR would be better since it has an original barrel
>>29813262
But isn't Green Mountain making the barrels? What does it being "original" really matter when they are made from parts kits?
>>29813287
WASRS have CHF chrome lined barrels which are more durable than the green mountain nitrided barrels with DDI.
Green mountain barrels will be more accurate however. Just depends on what you want.
>>29813287
you can expect twice if not three times the life expectancy out of a CHF barrel
>>29813193
>/k/ trips invade akou
>>29809951
Lol just get laid faggot
Jesus Christ
When did this become ARG?
Is it bullshit with the price tag? Yes.
Does the price tag guarantee they are infallible? No.
Every company will have issues at some point. Get over it. Can we go back to talking about AKs and shit instead of slinging poo all over the thread?
>shit on my NPAP go ahead
>pic will come out sideways, have a Sestroryetsk instead.
>>29813193
>That savant-esque rant about the paint used on AKs.
Color me impressed.
I knew Flandre knew everything about AKs, but damn.
Taking people to school.
HOW DOES IO EVEN STAY IN BUSINESS I MEAN WHO THE FUCK BUYS THEIR SHITTY AKS AND WHY ARE THEY SO FUCKING SHITTY, FUCK YOU IO YOU MAKE FLORIDA GUN MANUFACTURERS LOOK BAD
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERE
>my c39v1 is finally ranked better than something else
>that something else is the SLR107 fr
>ironically I was going to sell my c39v1 in order to buy the slr 107 fr because it was so much better than what I have
>mfw
>>29813452
>visit all LGS
>every. single. one. has 3 IO AK47s on the wall
>No other AKs in sight
Gun store customers that don't know better.
>ak's
>>29813466
I'd rather have a weak finish than soft metal internals.
>>29813435
I'm a little concerned he knows so much about paint..
DDI has a fuccboi name.
>>29813193
I am rock hard right now.
>>29813452
Casual gun owners who only put maybe 200 rounds downrange a year buy them because they're cheaper and they do zero research. Seriously most of the time someone defends IO it's usually found out they only put like 500 rounds through the gun before they decided it's G2G.
You'd think people would do a little more research on ~$500 purchases but then again people impulse buy new cars too.
>>29813540
Ikr our little AK Savant dropping knowledge.
>>29813510
Well mine seems to be one of the good apples from the bunch coming up on 10k rounds and no hiccups
>>29813504
Oh shit, an Aussie with an AK. You're not going to go terrorist on them are you?
>getting this roudy over some finish issue that everyone who owns the rifle should know that it exists
>acting like its the end of the world
do you fags even own arsenals or are you just trying to justify your ras47 purchases?
>>29813551
I always knew flandre was very informed about aks and his building ability.
I just wish he liked cuteboys :( stupid breeder ;~;
>>29812980
No it's not, also fuck off britshit.
>>29813554
Nah man I'm American
>>29813193
I appreciate Robs work in bringing news and hopefully change regarding Arsenal rifles, but damn he got shot down.
Does FN make anything in 7.62x 39?
This probably belongs in a QTDDTOT but I figured you guys would know. Just curious.
>>29813577
every once in a while Rob acts stupid. He got butthurt over on AKfiles a while ago when CNCWarrior released their Zenit DTK-2 brake clone.
>>29813542
most people are fucking stupid with money, you see this kind of shit everywhere.
>>29813452
>Florida guns
I bought an SCCY and it was complete utter shit. I can't even get myself to buy a keltec now just because it's from the same state.
>>29813596
what did he do? the ol' "intellectual property theft" routine with knockoffs?
>>29813619
If I remember correctly, more or less that. I'm trying to find the thread now.
>>29813564
I like cute guys Senpai.
>>29810306
It's mil-spec. It just so happens that civ-spec has exceeded mil-spec, at least for slavshit.
Should have gotten a saiga while you could. Enjoy your cheap copy for a higher price.
>>29813630
thanks. I figured as much.
>>29809957
Paid $450 for an N-PAP last year. Feels good bro.
>>29813701
The smart move would be to invest in better finishing for the civis and do it right. With DDI coming close to putting out a very similar rifle at a lower price point they are going to be under pressure. Hell Century seems to be learning too and might get gud in a couple years too.
>>29813433
God damn imperial nuggets are nice.
>>29813433
Nah, I like your underfolder.
We're just killing time, waiting for the AKOU Arsenal video to drop.
It's not like there's a lot new in the AK world, so a couple threads of shitposting happens when literally anything semi-interesting goes on.
Post sideways AK, anyway.
>>>>Arsenal """"""""""""""quality""""""""""""""
>>29813945
Holy fuck wich model is that ?
How many rounds ?
>>29813945
5.45 someone shot 7n6 out of and forgot to clean?
