I have a few bullet related questions for /k/.
The first is about home defense; should I go for 9mm, 22lr or 45 ACP? Where I live I can get 22lr and 9mm in hollow point but not 45 ACP. Obviously I wanna kill the guy but I live in an apartment so I don't need an over-penetrating bullet that'll kill m neighbor.
The second is game related; 30-06 or 308 for deer and bear? Can one rifle do it all or should I get 2? If one rifle can do both which caliber is the cheapest?
>>29796838
>The first is about home defense; should I go for 9mm, 22lr or 45 ACP?
5.56
>>29796845
I do love 5.56, I was in the army for a while so I handle it well too, but I want something that my wife could handle. I'm adamant about a handgun.
Go 9mm. Has a 50% chance of stopping with one shot. So 2 shots.... 100% goner
>>29796875
9mm Federal HSTs in a full size handgun to mitigate recoil.
>>29796875
Get her to shoot an ar15 at 15 yards and then let her try the same thing with a 9mm. An ar15 is much easier to shoot.
>but I want something that my wife could handle
Don't have such low expectations for someone you actually married. A female can handle any gun a male can, no questions.
>>29796838
Apartment?
5.56
Not joking, either. If that is absolutely not an option and you must literally choose between 9mm, .22lr or .45acp, then go with .45acp. Reason being is that .22lr is an immediate no, and out of 9mm and .45acp, .45acp has the lower velocity.
>>29796885
Won't that beam through a wall?
>>29796875
Either 9mm or 45auto if you must have a pistol caliber. .22 will do fine for defense, however the lower reliability of a rimfire cartridge is a major deterrent for use as a defensive tool.
30-06 and 308 will do fine for deer and bear. Ballistically, they're nearly identical. A rifle isn't advisable for home defense due to barrier penetration.
>>29796905
All of them will beam through a wall. Look up some drywall penetration tests on each pistol caliber, and with different hollow points in different pistol calibers.
>>29796905
Anything that will kill a human will go through sheet rock. That's just physics. Deal with it and pick your shots accordingly.
>>29796838
9mm, particularly if you can't get .45 hollow points.
You can get hotter loads in 30-06 then you can in .308; but .308 should be sufficient for bears assuming you're not talking about the Grizzly and/or Polar variety in which case go 30-06.
>>29796902
5.56 are illegal in Kanukistan. You can buy a Ar-15 but they're chambered in either 2.23 or 9mm
>get a fucking shotgun
/thread
>>29796935
I don't want to destroy my walls though.
Your wife will handle anything. I'm a females shoot some guns that make some pretty big bangs. Shoot a few hundred 9mm a week though. Nice and cheap, no much recoil and makes a big enough hole!
>>29796905
Get a SC or compact 380ACP, load it with glazers if you are that worried about over penetration.
Air marshals reportedly use glasers, although in 357Sig, because fuck the national deficit.
>women can't handle 5.56 out of an ar15
>>29796956
I don't mean to say women are bad shooters, but my wife absolutely refuses to even touch a gun unless she's in a kill-or-be-killed situation.
>>29796935
>limit your capacity
ftfy
>>29796942
https://www.canadaammo.com/product/detail/25-round-box-of-sellier-bellot-rubber-ball-12ga-2-2-3-2-15mm/
or handload rocksalt into shells
>>29796976
But you just rack it and they get scared away.
Maybe shoot both barrels in the air, two shots is all you need.
>>29796974
>but my wife absolutely refuses to even touch a gun unless she's in a kill-or-be-killed situation.
That means she shouldn't ever touch a gun. She will be more of a liabilty than an asset if she needs to use a firearm in the most critical of times with absolutely no training.
Get her to practice calling 911 and tell her to find a corner in your apartment that best suits being helplessly slaughtered by an attacker in.
>>29796982
Then I have no ceiling.
>>29796932
>5.56 are illegal in Kanukistan
I don't believe you.
What does a .223 Wylde chamber count as?
>>29796982
Joe. Relax. Now. You're making America do some really fucked up shit and you don't realize it.
>>29796990
get a sheet of lexan from home depot and you got yourself a sunroof.
>>29797009
I can't afford that ritzy shit
>>29796875
If she can shoot 9mm, get her to practice with rifle.
Especially 556. It's a lot easier to shoot reasonably well with a mild recoil rifle than a pistol.
>>29797002
Sure, they're similar sized cartridges but they're expensive as unicorn tears. I can't afford to put thousands of 223 down range.
>>29796988
Yeah that's also a good idea.
>>29797073
>but they're expensive as unicorn tears
You have no idea what .223 wylde is do you?
>>29797079
That's more or less why I'm here man.
>>29797086
Fair enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.223_Wylde
It just accepts .223 and 5.56 really.
>>29796838
Don't listen to any of these asshats, OP.
Save the 9mm, .45acp, 5.56, 10mm, etc. for fun and hunting...
22lr is perfectly fine for self defense if you've ever seen what it can do to a person. Probably one of the most bizarre yet effective calibers out there, being able to penetrate flesh and bounce around inside or even punch through the body entirely. Having worked in the ER for a period in my life I was able to see some cases where .22lr was used for self defense and some accidents too, to great effect more or less.
>B-b-but muh penetration!
Dude, that shit will bounce around inside you like a pinball hitting every bumper in the machine, missing organs or cutting em up, either way it's gonna hurt. Meaning? It's going to put them down enough for you to either finish them off or wait until the authorities arrive. Your choice.
And EVEN IF it doesn't penetrate, the frontal human skull for instance, it's going to rattle their world or knock their lights out just enough to give them the idea to get the fuck out of your house.
>>29797122
That's why police and military use 22 lr and not a real round. That's why hunters use 22 lr. It's the worlds most deadly round.
GET A 9mm WITH HP. 9 is gonna make anyone kill when shot center mass
>>29796956
My little gray-haired mama can shoot hot .357 Magnum out of a revolver with no problem, just saying.
>>29797122
Lol, .22lr will penetrate a skull
>>29797163
Not true.
>>29797163
>That's why police and military use 22 lr and not a real round.
Is OP currently a member of law enforcement up against criminals daily?
Is OP currently on active duty in warzone?
If yes to either one then you have a point.
>That's why hunters use 22 lr. It's the worlds most deadly round.
Last time I checked humans didn't have hides comparable to that deer or moose.
Let me just check by shooting myself in the back to see if it penetrates my hide or not...
>>29796974
So i guess shes going for the "be killed" option
>>29797170
Most people will deny it up it down though to make themselves feel better about their .308 "home defense" FAL purchase.
>>29797222
Yeah, that's my thinking. I might be dealing with one strung-out meth head, not a pack of roving hajis. It doesn't matter if the guy dies so long as he's not a threat anymore.
I am also Canadian,buy a short barrelled pump action, load it with some #9 bird shot,learn to do drywall repair...discussion over.
>>29796932
>5.56 are illegal in Kanukistan
The paleface exposes his forked tongue and sells yet more lies.
Just look at the cartridges
9mm, 22lr, 45acp, 10mm
and
.308 .30.06
Always take the 10mm and .30-06
>>29797222
I am active dusty military. Last I checked NO CREDIBLE SORCE SUGESTS USEING A FUCKING 22 FOR SWLF DEFENCE. CITE SOME FUCKING SORCES WHERE THE SUGEST .22 OVER A 9mm-50 AE
>>29797418
>.308
Weelllll, I see your discrepancy.
>>29797222
Checking your trips, you God Danm shit posting no guns
>>29797477
They were only 150 grain but yeah.
>>29797523
The pic you posted is clearly 5.56 next to 30.06
>>29797534
hit refresh
>>29797523
>>29797465
Holy fucking shit.
Like you'd believe any website source that I'd offer up whether it was true or not.
Plus I already mentioned in an earlier post that I worked in an ER for a good chunk of my life where I just so happened to lay witness and help treat a handful of .22lr inflicted wounds.
At this point I'm starting to get the assumption that you've already made up your mind before all of this and are just looking for the gratification of others suggesting your original choice all along.
>>29797546
And? In the pic it's still 5.56 next to 30.06.
>>29797465
yup you write like a grunt
>>29797547
Give me a credible source and I will sell my p938, and get the .22 for CC you chose. You move fuck face.
>>29797590
11b... So? 93 on muh asvab...
>>29796919
Uhh no they're not. 30-06 is quite a bit more powerful than .308
>>29796978
Absolutely Do NOT do this
>>29796875
this type of shit literally gives me cancer
>want something my wife could handle
a rifle with almost no recoil
>adamant about a handgun
but your giving it to your wife who is not gun savy, thats how accidents happen, your wife statistically is less likely to blow her cunt brains out with a long gun than a handgun
>>29797646
Why not?
>>29796838
30mm to all of your questions.
>>29797649
Shoo
>>29796942
I don't know why everyone thinks shotguns will destroy walls.
If you buy 4 buck you will not get any over-penetration
And at short distances, say less than 40 feet, your spread is only going to be about 8 inches in diameter at the max. So it's not like your going to pepper an entire wall if you miss.
And seriously, why the fuck does anyone care about tearing up walls in the first place??? We are talking about a life vs death situation and people seriously care about a little bit of drywall work? I'd burn my whole goddamn house down and not think twice given the right situation.
>>29797122
The whole ".22 lr bounces around inside you and is super deadly" bullshit is an urban myth.
.22 doesn't get more than a few inches of penetration in the first place, and if the bullet yaws or deforms it will penetrate even less.
Tl;dr
Even if a .22 bullet did ricochet off of a bone in your body, it wouldn't do any more damage than if it went straight.
>>29797751
My house isn't getting stormed by SEALs, I don't need quick and forceful action. Most likely they won't even have a gun so I'd have plenty of time to smoke them.
>>29796896
>most females can handle any guns most males can handle
Ftfy
>>29797797
I wasn't recommending you get one, if you want something else that's fine.
I just wanted to point out that everyone's reasoning against shotguns for home defense is stupid and/or incorrect.
I don't use a shotgun either, simply because it's easier to grab a handgun off my nightstand in pitch dark than it is to walk to my closet blind and feel around for a shotgun.
>>29796919
This >>29797638 is correct 7.62x51 vs 7.62x63 quite a bit of difference but the statement that both will do fine for deer and bear still applies all about shot placement
>>29796905
5.56 will not penetrate like handguns typically do because it quickly dumps the energy into the first thing that it hits because of the high velocity and low weight while the heavier projectiles will retain their velocities much better
>>29797477
Did you miss his "10mm" is a 44 mag?
>>29797890
>Did you miss his "10mm" is a 44 mag?
Got no experience with either so yeah, I missed it.
>>29796838
>The second is game related; 30-06 or 308 for deer and bear? Can one rifle do it all or should I get 2? If one rifle can do both which caliber is the cheapest?
They're the exact same bullet, one just goes a bit faster and hits a bit harder. Really in that case it really should be which ammo is cheaper? 308 will probs be cheaper.
>>29797909
.308 in unquestionably cheaper.
But you can lob 220 grain cannonballs from an '06...
>>29797664
Essentially, because, in the States at least, anything "less lethal" is a REALLY fucking bad idea. You're better off killing the guy than intentionally injuring him with a lethal weapon.
>>29797936
Eh, you can lob 200gr Sierra GameKings out from a 308win case. I use the 165's personally and shoot deer in the head. Makes a big splat but it drops them every time.
>>29796896
No womanz detected
>>29796838
i saw your thread on /out/! good to see you in the right place haha
>>29797601
Honestly, I'd think that firsthand experience treating the wounds might count for something...
>>29796974
So then why would you get a pistol, which is easily the most difficult to shoot accurately? I've seen people completely miss a 3'x3' target at 10 yards with my M&P9. They had no idea how to shoot correctly, and no experience shooting. You should assume that your worthless bitch of a wife will fail just as badly. Pistols REQUIRE more practice than rifles or shotguns to attain basic competence.
Get an AR with some m193 rounds. They overpenetrate the least out of just about anything out there but still kill shit dead.
>>29799488
Also another reason to avoid a pistol: short stroking. The same person who couldn't hit a 3x3 at 10 yards also short stroked a G17 and M&P9. Your wife will do the same thing.
Get a rifle or shotgun
>>29797104
So .223 Wylde is the middle man of pressures between .223 and 5.56?
>>29797614
Then why do you type like an idiot? Yeah, you're not an 11b.
You type like a fucking mechanic. That 91B life good for ya?
>>29796838
>that over-penetration meme
Any bullet worth shooting someone with will easily pass through the interior walls of most every building in the United States.
>>29796838
Get a full steel Jericho in 9mm.
Or a 1911 in 45.
>>29796932
>2.23
>>29797122
Most of us, and our gf and wifes etc, are not battle trained soldiers. A 22lr can be fired rapidly and held on target a hell of a lot easier than a .223. Hearing loss is also a great selling point for 22lr self defense. I think its a great option, anybody is gonna be able to put 10 on target with relatively little skill with a 22lr rather than shoot and relocate your moving target.
>>29796956
Nice gun, anon. Mine has 15K rounds through it never once failed me.
>>29797909
>>29803117
>1911 in 45.
what the faggot else would a 1911 be in
>>29803183
It would be an effective round
>>29798008
I don't know how I live with five shots,
Niggaz are to kill on my block
- tupac
>>29796838
>>29796875
Handguns are shit. The sole purpose of a handgun is to have a firearm when no other option is available. In a home, they're used to get to a rifle.
Handguns are shit.
AR-15
AK in 5.45
AK in 5.56
AK in 7.62x39
>>29796838
If you live in Canada then you should get one of pic related.
>least regulated type of gun in the country
>more stable than a pistol
>feeds from detachable magazines
>extremely maneuverable inside
>>29796976
>muh capacity
OP lives in Canada, largest AR mags he could get are 15 rounds (5 round .50 Beowulf mags) though 10 round ones might be more common. Not to mention the problems of getting a rifle that isn't highly regulated to use those mags with.
get a 57
>>29797418
That's a 38 special not a 10mm
>>29807098
>That's a 38 special
nope
>>29803583
You're talking about a life and death situation and you bring up possible hearing loss? Your priorities are fucked
>>29808158
In a life or death situation you dont want to be without your sense of hearing. Pull the trigger once indoors with a .223 and its gone for the duration of the event.
>>29808451
^
>>29808158
He has a fucking point, dude.
If you've ever fired without hearing protection within in enclosed space, the sound will be more than enough to jar your senses and temporary deafen you to the point of forgetting what you're supposed to be doing.
I'm almost 100% fucking positive that most of us have never had extensive experience firing within hallways, rooms, etc. without hearing protection in a combative scenario, making your first self & home defense shot a life or death 50/50 (Even less once your hearing is knocked out) for you and the other guy, depending on whether or not he's prepared to fight back.
![10mm_mag_comparrison[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PaBS3oa.jpg "10mm_mag_comparrison[1].jpg")
>>29807742
It's definitely not 10mm auto.
>>29809900
>I'm Blind, Guys!: The Post
>>29797122
>>29803583
>>29797222
>>29797547
>>29799488
You're completely retarded. Even if .22lr did as much damage as a 9mm/.40/.45 +hollowpoint (which it doesn't), you still need to deal with the fact that small rimfire cartridges are inherently less reliable out of a semi-auto than a centerfire cartridge.
![cartridge-comparison1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bXXBw6I.jpg "cartridge-comparison1[1].jpg")
>>29809930
Unless that's an AMT mag, then there's 10mm auto in it, the original picture is not a 10mm auto.
>>29797122
I know this is bait but...
Recently in my country they were two cases of kids being shot by 22lr.
One of them was shot in the ribcage and didn't even noticed until he came home and his mom saw blood on his shirt.
The other one was shot in the face and only lost partial sight in one eye
>>29809900
It says so right on the case turdlips!!
>>29809947
Poor photoshopping job. 10mm is almost twice as long as .45
>>29810251
lol 9mm
>>29796875
>but I want something that my wife could handle. I'm adamant about a handgun.
You're hopeless; beyond advice.
>>29797751
this is the only right answer, get a tactical shotgun. Lead pellets do not magically penetrate more than a jacketed 9mm and the chances of you hitting a vital area are higher.
>>29796875
why didn't you say so to begin with
>>29796881
That's not how probability works
>>29811770
bruh look at this dude.... look at the top of his head
