Apparently the Russians have developed a pistol some time ago that is silent without a suppressor. It shoots a special cartridge (SP-4) that pushes a piston when shot, which in return pushes the bullet out. The piston traps the gas inside the cartridge.
Can an American company possibly copy this design? Would it be popular?
The ATF would probably require a tax stamp on each individual bullet.
A video of how it sounds like. Silent than most pistols with suppressors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gkz5KtfR6c
Neva bin dun befoe
https://warisboring.com/u-s-commandos-hunted-the-viet-cong-with-silent-revolvers-8f6cc5cfc731#.aesz03uvy
I'd prefer a welrod
>>29793008
Developed =/= copying
>>29792778
That's a high quality target right there
>>29792778
That sounds so sketchy. They have to upload more videos if they want any credibility.
>>29792713
and here is the problem.
ATF fuckery.
They would either require a stamp on the pistol or ban the ammo outright.
>>29793567
Dude, shut the fuck up. What the fuck do you want? The designer to stroke you off? I'm getting tired of you people shitposting against russia every fucking day. Like, fuck dude, it's not even a complicated idea to make a silenced pistol like that. Why the fuck would they fake it? Did a vatnik fuck your mom or something, Christ
>>29793614
Well it's hard to take sunday afternoon TV show material seriously. It's just a subsonic 7.62 with a fancier gas blowback expansion system.
Here's the best translation I can give you, guys. Slavbro, not russian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K73kKODFyzw
"It's called 'special automatic pistol' using silent P4 ammo. As the name implies, it's made not for the army, rather for special forces. Naturally for delicate situations, you'd use a silencer for such guns, but our constructors decided otherwise, creating special silent ammunition."
"Our goal here was to create a silent weapons system. What does that mean exactly? It means the bullet velocity reaches but not exceeds the speed of sound."
The rest is how from 10 metres out you won't even hear where the shot came from exactly.
>>29793024
You'd prefer a one-shot Britbong pistol that looks like a pipe?
I know it's 6/8-round mag but it's not semi-auto.
>>29793698
You only need one shot per man....
>>29793710
>Be in situation where there are two guys standing fairly close by that you have to get rid of
>What do?
>>29793758
Curve the bullet, of course, jeez.
It has abysmal ballistics and is actually rather loud compared to traditionally suppressed guns. But, it's compact. For assassination at five feet away it's perfect but little else.
>>29793786
Just propaganda.
History has shown proper assassinations use clever devices and poison. Not a shitty russian made-up gun.
>>29793798
Tell that to Lincoln and Nixon.
>>29793798
>Made-up gun
LEL K LAD
>>29793804
>proper assassinations
Castro and Hitler, now that was class.
>>29793804
lol'ing at mixing up JFK and Nixon
>>29793758
If russian roll a bottle of vodka in front of them. If american start playing warrant's cherry pie from a speaker until theyre rocking too hard to notice you. If chinese yell that one of them is actually a spy from taiwan.
If they're working for cipher... why are you going silent?
Just use this and still get out of the scene alive.
>>29793831
Reagan actually.
>>29793865
>That picture
>That guy on the left with the grimace of knowing now is the time to start operating.
Every fucking time
>>29793631
How nogunz and underage are you, you fucking retarded faggot?
This isn't even an issue of it being Russian propaganda it's just you not understanding how guns fucking work, everyone can see how this works via the expansion gasses being contained inside the case and being leaked slowly over time it's not a fucking gas blowback either it's direct blow back. I can almost see you desperately trying to google to and try to salvage this shitty piece of linguistic cancer but you can't.
Here's an article by an american http://www.sadefensejournal.com/wp/?p=307, the DB was 125 which is quite substantial, not that you would know given the only reference you probably fucking have is your airshit.
Kill yourself.
>>29793865
>>29793579
proof that regulation just stifles advancement
>>29794769
kek
>>29793865
I hope to one day be cool enough to have a suit, mustache, and machine gun.
>>29793614
>>29794732
>slavboos this triggered
>>29793758
Dual wield
>>29793758
Teleport behind them with my katana.
>>29795599
>nogunz damage controlling this hard
>>29794732
holy shit its hilarious how ass pained you are. you trying to defend some technology? how about you argue against the fact that your firearm is century outdated tech, and the only reason they are continued to be used in conflict is the world powers dont trust shits like you with anything over a glorified rock thrower.
fucking hilarious
>>29793758
you rang?
>>29796235
>doesn't know anything about guns
>I-I'll call him ass pained
Brilliant. I'm not defending it, I'm pointing out the poster has no idea what he's talking about. The concept is interesting but largely pointless given that the ballistics drop like a stone after a couple yards and has low velocity in addition to being bulky.
CONTACT EVERY MANUFACTURER AND INFORM THEM OF THIS
I DONT CARE IF LEL KEK MAKES IT I WANT IT MADE
>>29792693
>weak as fuck, ultra low velocity round.
>worthless for target shooting or any application other than executing dissidents at point blank range
There would be a very limited market and the gun grabbers would love it since it would be a gun who's only conceivable purpose is silent executions.
I can't envision any gun maker wanting to make such a product.
>>29796293
anyone with a basic grasp of physics knows whats mechanically possible, even if they couldnt personally achieve it. nobody needs a lecturing about the possibility, because nobody doubts the possibility.
the doubt in question was how much makeup was put on for entertainment purposes. do you inherently trust media to be forthcoming?
>>29796400
>It's just a subsonic 7.62 with a fancier gas blowback expansion system
This was wrong and any retard should know better, he is clearly lower than the average retard.
Anyway, the ATF declares captive piston ammo to be a NFA items, so 200 a shot in addition to no being able to reload. I'd leave it.
>>29796452
They ruled captive as needing a stamp per fucking shot?
>>29793614
>>29794732
>when my hard-on for anything slavic gets picked apart with logic and I cant come up with a decent argument, or carry out a civilized rebuttal
The pistol is interesting in design, that I agree. It doesn't change the fact you are terrible at hiding your power level
>>29797519
backtracking, the post.
>>29793024
There is a more modern version known as the b&t vp-9 designed for veterinarian use and the mag/grip holds 5+1 in the pipe.
>>29797668
so whats the issue?
I'd prefer one of these
Supposedly these things were only used for up close assassinations due to only having a max effective range of around 30 feet. Very cool nonetheless.
>>29794732
It's laughable how triggered you are.
Also 120DB is extremely loud for a russian specops supergun.
>>29793865
>that briefcase
somebody dialed 0 alright
>>29798211
>russian specops supergun
Who ever said or claimed this?
>>29798211
>>29799674
Can't you top that with a big can and subsonic .300 blackout, or .510 whisper? Even .45 acp with a big suppressor like on a MAC 10 should be quieter
>>29798276
damn I never noticed that uzi briefcase
>>29798083
>tfw you assassinate crimethinker without waking up his neighbours in the commieblock
>>29799674
Ehm the videos demonstrating it...
>>29793865
>>29793865
Jimi Hendrix the Cameraman is awful smiley about the President being shot. Maybe someone should question him with the butt of a revolver.
>>29800380
dude that's clearly will smiff
>>29800289
ehm the videos are in Russian which I both don't understand and on research seems about right for the capabilities of the gun.
>>29799985
>why don't you make it xboxheug for slightly more Db reduction?
It seems to occupy a rather niche role as a very close quarters and compact quiet weapon. I'm curious as to what the doctrine is for this gun and who it's issued to.
The US actually had a similar program for tunnel rats using a milled out S&W and captive ammo, I'm guessing it never really got anywhere after Vietnam becasue of the widespread use of thermobarics/ just getting them when they popped out of their tunnels instead of sending guys after them.
>>29793567
Bro, this technology has been around since the 70's and was used extensively during the cold war. The KGB even got creative and started trolling the CIA with it: they would use a 7.62 bullet from an AK but fired out of a pistol with those captive gas rounds. Made it look like dudes had been shot up with a rifle but no one had heard anything.
>>29800770
have source for that? seems iffy given the fact there would be a distinctive different wound pattern than a rifle given they travel at like 800ish FPS
>>29793758
>I draw my Faibairn-Sykes (TRADEMEMED) dagger and shoot one whilst stabbing the other
>>29800839
Oh for sure they figured it out after an autopsy, but it must have been trippy as fuck for a field agent. Here is a link to the ammo:
http://world.guns.ru/ammunition/russian-special-cartridges-e.html
In a perfect world I would have a PSS, an OTS-38, an NRS-2, Stetchkin APS and APB and an SPP-1 underwater pistol.
I'd probably carry the OTS-38 as a backup cuz the idea of a snubby silent revolver is just too delicious.
>>29797721
The true VP9.
>>29801099
"Veterinary Pistol"
I'll assume this is for putting animals down? If so why not a captive bolt gun? Or has the CIA started drafting vets?
>>29801186
It's intended for putting animals down, particularly deer other similarly sized animals. I read somewhere (don't remember where and can't find source) that the noise level is roughly equal to that of someone slamming a car door.
>>29797721
To kill puppers or wat?
>>29801186
>>29801351
I believe it does have a captive bolt.
It's pretty much a modern day Welrod, but with less magazine capacity.
>>29801810
The "bolt" in this context doesn't refer to the traditional bolt of a firearm. A captive bolt gun propels forward a "bolt" (captivated projectile) which retracts back into the device afterwards.
Some simple thinking could've cleared this up. What idiot would design, let alone produce, a firearm where the bolt (in the traditional context) isn't captive? Every time you fire, the bolt would go flying backwards out of the gun and into your face.
>>29796552
>The term "Firearm Silencer” or "Firearm Muffler” means any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for the use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.
>>29794769
I remember that thread.
>>29800380
>Citizens should be beaten if they don't express enough reverence for the dear leader.
Europeons, everybody
>>29798039
Delyle? They say the loudest sound that the weapon makes is the firing pin striking the round.
>>29802426
https://youtu.be/AMei19G_hqA
They aren't wrong
>>29802540
Yes, they are. Delisles rate at about 125dB.
Video camera audio normalizing is deceptive.
>>29802540
>that ending
lol
Can't you add a suppresor on this already-supressed pistols?
>>29796191
>slavboos THIS triggered
>>29802614
Russians on /k/ are just the worst
I know sage doesn't work with image so sorry for the necro
>>29800380
Eat it fasho
>>29802728
Yes it does, always has. Not sure where that rumor started from.
>>29796267
Is that suppressor taped on?
>>29793798
>JFK
heh that carcano sure is a madeup gun alright
>>29802614
>>29796191
why don't you keep both of your petty understandings of geopolitics out of /k/ if you can't even perform the basic critical thinking to discuss weapons without throwing a fit
>>29793758
Shoot fast you idiot
Geez grampa it's not hard to rack a slide
>>29802613
I wonder if it would become even more silent
>>29803089
There are actually airguns that have 'expansion chambers' (no idea if they were b&) that do drop the DB but I don't think that it's particularly useful after a point.
