>shipping in May
Bestpup soon, fellow stalkers.
>>29777202
About time.
How's Radom coming along? That's what I really want
>>29777202
>This turd is shinier than the other turds!
hoe much is it?
>>29777202
It will be an overpriced meme gun. It's been vaporware for how many years now?
>>29777202
I just wanna read/watch reviews.
>>29777216
TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS
2300 for the .308
>>29777202
>we want something just as good as a Tavor but cheaper and made in the USA
>even more expensive than a Tavor
>yfw X95 is better, cheaper and already available
But in seriousness, I don't get why someone doesn't add swappable grips to a bullpup. It would instantly give it a massive aftermarket that no other bullpup has.
>>29777240
Seconded.
>>29777248
>>29777240
>tavorshills
>>29777221
>>29777214
poorfags
MDR is gonna be the new standard for bullpups
>>29777268
>MDR is gonna be the new standard for bullpups
>Plastic vaporware with non-adjustable LOP
I agree, that IS pretty standard for bullpups
The only thing I'm interested in is the MSBS, bullpups are a meme.
Still fucking ugly.
Steyr only aesthetic pup.
>X95 MSRP is ~$1700
Too late.
I don't understand what's so awesome about bullpups can someone explain other than the "cool factor" I don't even think they're that cool
>>29777202
There's no fucking way I'd buy this when Tavor's and X-95s are on the market for significantly less.
That being said, the only bullpup I'll buy is an MSBS
>>29777295
Full length barrels in an SBR form factor make them pretty neat for SUPER TACTICAL close quarters fighting or for people with T-Rex arms.
>>29777299
So if you don't have monkey arms and arnt breaching and clearing rooms they're pretty useless then
>>29777297
>tripfag foisting jewshit
>>29777301
Pretty much. When was the last time you thought that your lever-action carbine or your M4-sized AR was too long?
>>29777307
if you don't think your gun is too long at all times you're wrong.
>>29777307
I haven't really ever thought the m4a1's are too long. Just went threw a room clearing course in the navy and I didn't have a problem clearing rooms with it. I just feel like the bullpups would be awkward to hold/fire
>>29777202
MDR might be pretty cool I guess but holy fuck the past year when looking or discussing any bullpup
>"Yea the X95 looks pretty cool, the MDR is gonna kill it though"
>"I'm waiting for the MDR"
>"MDR is the best bullpup"
I can't wait for this thing to come out so we can find out if it actually is good or sucks ass and it won't be all talk, the worst part is you know 99% of the people talking won't buy it because its expensive as fuck
why do all bullpups just try to be short ARs
i want a normal or even long AR with a crazy muzzle velocity because it has more barrel for the same length
or a bullpup bolt-action sniper. holy shit imagine an M24 with 6 inches of extra barrel
>>29777358
>bolt-action bullpup
I don't really know how it would work, the action on the buttstock and operate the bolt with your shoulder?
>>29777344
already got mine on pre-order
>>29777371
I can appreciate that
On second thought people talking about getting it have had plenty of time to save since its been delayed forever
>>29777364
go to desert tech again for an example of a functional bullpup bolt action
>>29777358
ARs start losing usefulness after 22 inches for barrel length and end up losing FPS.
>>29777403
>ARs start losing usefulness after 22 inches for barrel length and end up losing FPS.
source? and you're aware that this would depend entirely on the cartridge, not the magical designation of 'ar' or 'not ar', right? and that it would be physically impossible for this length to be the same for 5.56 and 7.62, right? right?
>>29777202
>that charging handle slot
>>29777421
http://www.sadefensejournal.com/wp/?p=1093
>>29777421
>buying an AR
>in anything but 5.56
>talking about AR
>anything but 5.56
it's not my fault you're a retard that just calls everything an AR.
http://www.sadefensejournal.com/wp/?p=1093
>>29777358
>bullpup bolt-action sniper
This is literally what desert tech did first.
https://deserttech.com/html/product_overview.php?product_id=3&load=product_overview
>>29777441
the charging handle on the MDR is supposedly based off the G3. Any mud getting through those holes in the charging handle probably won't be the main concern, even for that test.
>>29777213
>How's Radom coming along? That's what I really want
I think they are still concentrating on Polish adoption.
That is what the told people at shot show.
>>29777516
I hope they hurry up. I would love to get my hands on one of their rifles.
>>29777474
Not in his /v/idya games so it doesn't exist/is trash.
>>29777293
X95 MSRP is $1999. If you don't understand the relationship between MSRP and street price, well, I don't know what to tell you.
>>29777248
The M17S has swappable grips. The X95 does too, and the MDR is slated to.
>>29777202
>shipping in May
proofs?
7.62x51 version has a puny 16 inch barrel.
I would want it with a 20 inch barrel.
>>29777202
>You will not see production guns before 2017.
>Consider that insider knowledge.
Sven Jonsson, owner of Manticore Arms
Since he operates a company which produces aftermarket parts for rifles (which will include the MDR), I'm sure he would have a pretty good idea of when they'll be available since he will likely be getting one of the first ones off the production line
>>29779295
>proofs?
Nothing hard, but that's what they quoted shotshow 2016. But that's speculated release date #3951.
>>29779390
Marketing material shows a 19" config in the pipeline.
>>29779788
Sven's a good guy.
>>29779837
They better.
What are they thinking releasing such an expensive 762nato rifle with such a short barrel?
If I'm going to shoot 762nato. I want a barrel that will give me the velocity and twist needed for accurate and precise long range shooting.
I'm looking forward to another entry into the bullpup market, I enjoy shooting my AUG and for a production rifle it's stupid accurate.
>>29779837
Plz 24'' 6.5 Creedmore.
>>29777202
I need MDR
>>29780581
I need reviews
>>29777202
how about a source for that info bud.
>>29777467
Unless I am misreading that graph, that is only for the 855 62 gr cartridge. Different cartridges with different powders may or may not exhibit the standard 25fps increase per inch past 20".
>>29780626
It won't change a ridiculous amount with different cartridges. It will a little, but definitely not anything significant.
>>29780623
Shotshow 2016.
>>29781022
>>29780623
>>29779834
>>29779295
>>29777202
Emails out on bullpupforum:
>release dates of the MDR of September 31st and a second batch release on October 31st
for Oakland Tactical
Not exactly the Q2 release they (most recently) promised.
>>29777238
If the street price for the .308 is actually $2100 or so that's not a bad deal for a Desert Tech rifle chambered in that.
>>29782615
That would be nice, but considering their production capacity and potential demand, I see the street price taking more of a keltec-on-gunbroker trjectory than an X95-immediately-$300-below-MSRP one.
>16" barrel on the .308 MDR
Fucking why? 16 is abominable enough for .223, but a full power rifle cartridge?
If it was 20" I'd buy it in a heart beat, but 16" for .308 is retarded.
>>29784541
I guess no one would ever want to buy pic related either then.
But really, I agree, and we'll just have to wait to see if >>29779837 pans out.
>>29784541
>>29784748
here's a mockup someone on bullpupforum made
>>29777240
>Tavor
>good
lol
>>29777358
>bullpup bolt-action sniper.
They already did that, please go kill yourself.
>>29777313
Not at all, they just aren't what you are accustomed too. You really have to try it to understand. For me it was the fs2000 and I hate that I didn't buy one years ago when they weren't a gorillan woolongs
>>29779860
Then you wouldn't be looking for anything like this rifle in the first place fuckhead. Have you missed ALL the sub-20" barrel .308s on the market?
>/k/ shits on vaporware because you can't prove if it's good
>/k/ jerks off to the MDR even though you can't prove if it's good
>BUT MUH INTERNET CELEBRITY ENDORSEMENTS
>>29782615
My LGS said dealer price was like 18-1900 for the .308, so it should be available for $2k even
I pre-ordered onea few minutes after it went up for pre-order. I'll probably feel the regret when my card is billed. Went for the .308 model. I mean at worst if I get mine early I can likely flip it for what I paid.
>>29785758
To be fair rifle vapor ware is fairly different from, ship, tank, or jet vapor ware.
>>29784774
>>29785918
MDR HTI when?
>>29785918
this is what always confuses me with bullpups
you're cutting off so much length, why not add another 4 inches of barrel and get much better ballistics?
>>29786273
>this is what always confuses me with SBRs
>you're cutting off so much length, why not add another 4 inches of barrel and get much better ballistics?
People will have their own reasons for wanting the form factor that they want. Bullpups just improve the ratio slightly at the slight expense of other areas.
>>29786344
I get that an SBR is for better mobility, but when you have a full size, full weight rifle like any bullpup, why not have an extra 4 inches and still be shorter than a conventional rifle?
>>29786344
Poor analogy mate, I personally would like a 20 inches barrel, the length on the average bullpup would be around the length of an m4 anyway.
>>29786371
I suppose an AUG with 20 inch barrel sans bipod would work, but those aren't really that short for a bullpup
>>29786357
>still be shorter
The ideal is to be as short as a SBR while having "good enough" ballistics, not make a rifle that is just as long as a conventional one. The diminishing returns for barrel length means that 16" is often a very good compromise for most jobs that an assault rifle is expected to do. Leave everything else to a dedicated DMR.
If one were to select a new service rifle for an army, choosing a short bullpup will ensure that it will be suitable for everything that *requires* a OAL while still being *acceptable* for everything outdoors where length is less relevant. Also shorter guns means balance is closer to the rear and will be more comfortable for smaller recruits.
>>29786413
a 20 inch AR has considerably better ballistics and terminal performance over a 16
is a 16 "good enough"? yeah, but it's not a 20 inch by any means
5.56 is "good enough" but 308 is considerably better
>>29786357
>full size, full weight rifle like any bullpup
Full weight yes, full size no. That's kind of the whole point.
>>29786371
Maybe a carbine-length rifle is too long for your purposes? Why else would 10.5in ARs exist? So if you're limited to a rifle that long, why not a bullpup and cram a 16" barrel into that space?
>>29786436
I meant full size as in 16 inch barrel
>>29786436
>Why else would 10.5in ARs exist? So if you're limited to a rifle that long, why not a bullpup and cram a 16" barrel into that space?
You completely missed the point of his post
>>29786436
Well an SBR ar is a different beast than a bullpup rifle man. Why stop at 10 inches?
>>29786464
So the MDR-C is...?
>>29786457
Spell it out for me. 'Full size' 20" barrelled bullpups exist. I think we're talking around eachother here. My point is there are perfectly valid reasons someone wouldn't want to add 4" of overall length to ANY rifle, even if the final product was only 'around the length of an m4 anyway.' And while he may prefer a 20" barrel, it shouldn't confuse him as to why some bullpups don't have 20" barrels.
>>29786522
I'm just curious why the ballistic effectiveness must be sacrificed for 4 inches of barrel that doesn't make a huge difference on use, as compared to a conventional rifle where the length truly makes a difference. The m4 length has been deemed acceptable, so why not that length in a bullpup with the increase in barrl length?
>>29786570
The m4 length has been deemed acceptable by whom exactly? That's acceptable by you? Fine, perfect, a 20" barrel would be great for you.
Now how many people buying these kinds of rifles care about .223 terminal ballistics past the length of their front yard? 16" is perfectly sufficient for that (heck, 7.5" probably is). How many would buy it as a truck gun or similar, where OAL is at a major premium? How many want the most scifi tacticool special snowflake badass firebreathing range toy they can get without NFA paperwork? 16" barrel and 26" OAL sits perfectly on the line there.
If anything, I'd argue that 16"(14.5") barrels are the thing that have been 'deemed acceptable,' given the military's adoption of the M4, and their commercial popularity in conjunction with their legal status. OAL is just a bonus.
Personally, I'm right there with you. I would love a 20" barreled, carbine length MDR, and DT has said that they would produce 19" barrels/conversions in the future.
But I don't hold my opinion to be the majority, and don't fault DT for releasing the first iteration of the MDR as a 16" barreled rifle with an SBR-like overall length. After all, so is the Tavor, X95, RDB, FS2000, et all, and among conventional rifles, the standard length of everything else is also 16" barrels or pistols across the board.
>>29777213
A few more years away. They want it to finish Polish military testing and tuning before they put it out on the civilian market
>>29786724
I wonder how long it will take them to fulfill a military contract on top of the time it takes for them to finish testing/approval before civilian stuff starts coming out. I guess Radom has a lot more manufacturing capacity than DT or Keltec, but it's still a new rifle that has to be tooled up for, unlike the SAR-21 or X-95 which we got quickly enough once IWI realized the market was there.
