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Should women be put in separate units like with Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts?
>>29769462
No, they should be integrated into the same units. You know, like how it is going to happen.
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>>29769462
Naw. That's just silly.
>>29769462
Only if they lower the bar for women. If they keep the same requirements for both men and women, there shouldn't be any problems. Besides, they're grown adults, not kids.
>>29769462
Doesn't matter if you separate them or not, they'll end up with the same results
>>29769545
>we've got anecdotes here
Dude, you do realize there are anecdotes to the contrary. Stop posting that dumb cunt's blogshit.
>>29769512
>Besides, they're grown adults, not kids.
Lmfao!
You clearly haven't interacted with a lot of women.
>>29769792
Do I point out the irony or would that be getting trolled?
The whole "women can't this women can't that" thing really is a meme as war time has repeatedly proven (Kurds, Russian WWII Snipers, Bodieca). Purely physical limitations are what the debate around women joining infantry ranks.
Anybody that gets all "Wimin are gonna wanna do their toes out in the battlefield" is just trying to work through being such a closet case.
>>29769462
Autism's pretty strong today.
>>29769462
Women in the military are no different than the men. You have shitbags and then you have actual functioning Soldiers. Hell, half of my chain of command is female and my first PSG was a female. All are great Soldiers.
The very minuscule amount of women who want to go Combat Arms deserve the shot at it. And If they make it through Basic, and IF they make it to a line unit but can't perform it will probably be like any other infantry unit where the useless Soldiers are sent up to staff to rot. End of the day, no one really cares.
Boy scouts and girl scouts are entirely different organizations
>>29769855
Women in the military are like medical exemptions, not like men
>>29769855
All strong and equal, under women start coming back in bodybags.
All we'll hear about is how "sexist" the battlefield was.
Not to mention all the rapes or should I say "rapes" that will "happen".
>>29769462
Yes.
The female units shall provide blowjobs to the male units.
Male soldiers will be assigned a female soldier to cuddle on the battlefield. But no sex.
>>29769855
>half of my CoC is females
POGs dont deserve an opinion on this
>>29769855
Frontlines isn't rear support, POG
>>29769829
Nobody is arguing whether they'd be decent soldiers, just that they would reduce combat effectiveness more than acceptable, and that they do reduce it to some degree is a fact. Stop pretending men and women are the same physically or mentally. Outliers mean nothing when the average woman drags the unit down.
It's worth noting that if it were possible to test for everything relevant, then obviously I wouldn't care. As it is, even women who meet the male standards are likely to be lower quality soldiers than their male counterparts, for reasons mentioned in that blog post
>>29769913
>implying you can operate w/ blue balls
>>29769512
>enlisted in 2016
>an adult
You almost got me there!
>>29769462
No, so long as they pass all the requirements. However, birth control should be mandatory and anyone who becomes pregnant, or is otherwise found to have stopped taking the pills is discharged with nothing but a plane ticket home.
>>29769963
Diogenes confirmed for god tier
>>29769951
>>29769792
>>29769545
Out of curiousity, what branch do y'all "no women" types serve in?
>>29769512
>women
>not like kids
wew
>>29770049
Army, 19k
what branch and mos/rate are ye m'lord?
I really don't have a dog in this fight, but I can tell which side is losing.
Hint: it's the faggots who make threads about it every damn day
>>29770068
I'm an 11B. I have no more of a problem with females than with all the other shitbags in the army. Mark my words: my unit would be better off if you replaced some of these faggots with better females.
>>29770068
Oh no, armed service is for the poor, nogs, and wannabe psychos. I was just curious.
This needs to stop being asked twice a day
>>29769913
>But no sex.
What did he mean by this?
>>29770106
m8 look at the females already in your unit, do you really want more of them?
theres the whole physiological differences and sociological effects too, why do you think other countries Armies arent full of female infantry, tankers,artillery, and scouts?
>>29770115
dank m'lord
>>29770415
>look at the females already in your unit
I mean, we've got a couple in Echo Company, but honestly almost ALL of the support soldiers are shitbags. That being said, there is one decent female officer there and a good female Sergeant.
>>29769963
>Diogenes confirmed for being a baf mofo
>>29770115
You can't be serious. It's like you're trying to piss people off.....
>oh
>>29769575
link or STFU faggot
>>29769545
>National Review
tempted to close it
>Jazz Shaw
fuck you that's not your real name
>a woman doesn't know how a woman can pee in a bottle
either fake or stupid
>>29769963
>>29769992
>>29772082
Truly the GG Allen of his time
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/833b30d9ad6346dd94f643ca76679a02/house-committee-votes-require-women-register-draft
>>29769462
Isn't the U.S. the only country with segregated Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts anyway?
>>29770090
That remains to be seen
We won't know until we start seeing all the women getting disability benefits from simple training exercises
>>29769545
>Women do not carry the muscle mass men do.
>I can meet the male standard.
>Still people will get more upset about seeing bad things happening to women.
If she's built like a man then she has the same physical capabilities AND looks of a man, I don't see the problem.
>>29777849
Well good luck fixing menstruation issues when she hits a lean male body fat level. At Around 15% she begins to have problems. At around 10-6% she can suffer serious neural hiccups.
>>29777849
Women by definition can not be built like a man
At a given body weight she will have less muscle mass, more fat, weaker bones and be less physically capable
>>29769462
>ITT: Everyone ignores sexual dimorphism
IDF mixed combat unit here. Fuck women combatants. Political correctnes gives them lower physical standarts, and trust me, bitches abuse them. I've only known 3 real G.I. Janes, and one was an officer from a SOF.
>>29777904
>one is an officer in a position they don't put women in
>>29777910
IDF K-9 is considered SOF and is mixed.
>>29777919
A k9 unit is a k9 unit, not sof
>>29777858
I don't mean looking exactly like a male but if a woman can meet the same standards as men my guess is she doesn't have the female appeal.
>>29777859
I'm talking about IF they pass the same fitness standards as men.
>>29777942
I don't decide on IDF's classification. Tell that to the brass, m8. I still hate most fenale combatants. Only like 3 in 100 truly let themselves forget about their vaginas and are as good as the guys.
I am a soldier.
I have been in all make units and mixed gender units.
In an all male unit I'm average in physical training. In a mixed unit I end up in the top ten.
In a mixed unit they tried mixed hand to hand once. The number of females who received serious injuries was deemed excessive, even when the male and female combatants where of approximately the same size.
While in mixed units, no woman was able to pick me up in a fire mans carry, a male who is twelve inches and fifty pounds less than I am can.
There are women who can shoot as well as it better than I can but they never pass the QCB course because they can not move fast enough in full gear.
I am currently in a school that has previously been a male only trade, I watch the women come in all hyped up at being selected for the trade that destroy themselves attempting to keep up with the men. Those that do not get invalided out end up in the associated trades where the ability to pick up a sixty kilo artillery shell one thousand times a day, day in and day out is not required.
>>29774519
>this doesnt prove the point perfectly that even women who can meet male standards shouldnt be mil
to be fair it was talking about pissing in a bottle in the back of a humv in full load, which is probably a pain in the ass dick or not.
>>29777948
They don't "pass" they meet the bare minimum requirement
If men did that they would be roasted to hell till they get better but women can't really climb above that level
Even getting to that point for a woman, which would be easy for any average man, is considered a triumph that is histrionic and newsworthy
For doing sometime that millions of men could do will little effort a woman is considered a hero and inspiration, that happens every time a woman doesn't fail at something because them failing and needing a helping hand are the norm
>>29777971
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cxzd7kKm91c
https://.youtube.com/watch?v=cxzd7kKm91c
>>29777981
Obviously, I know that very few women would meet the standards. But I think recruiters should make sure now to give them the same standards while the iron is hot before political correctness sets in. They're already letting women into the front line, and we don't want the standard to drop.
>>29778026
The standard has dropped, they don't need to meet the body fat requirements
>inb4 they are women and shouldn't have to
That's the thing, every time women can't do something there will be an acceptable excuse "but I'm a girl"
Women have no place in the military, they cost more, have special requirements, are paid the same for less work and are incapable of meeting standards
Outside of nearly no men being left to draft there is no reason or benefit to having women I the military, its really inarguable
>>29769829
>(Kurds, Russian WWII Snipers, Bodieca)
None of which carry/carried even a third of the weight a modern U.S. Army/Marine Infantryman is required to carry/
Hence the Marine Corps still not having a single woman pass their IOBLC even though 30 have attempted. The latest failing out for failure to complete a 9 mile road march
>>29778064
>inb4 they are women and shouldn't have to
That's the exact opposite of what I'm saying.
>they will just say this and that.
Seriously, since when did newly recruited women become in charge in the military? Officers should remind them who's in charge and tell them if they're equal enough to serve by men, they're equal enough to have to do the exact same things as men.
There is no benefit but if it's done right e.g. same standards, birth control etc. There shouldn't be any drawbacks either.
>>29778026
Supposedly the Army is exploring implementing MOS specific PT tests that must be passed before shipping to BCT/OSUT
>>29778109
There shouldn't be any drawbacks in an ideal world but in the real world there are
The new recruits aren't in charge but they will need to be treated like women, this is just biological fact. You act as though birth control is a given but it isn't because that's a violation of women's rights, if you officer gets pregnant accidentally and decides to keep it she is now on the sidelines, and birth control is just one of the many added needs women have, especially on the front lines
>>29777999
Many keks /k/omrade!!
>>29769462
>>29778338
Please tell me this is fake.
>>29779542
It happened and it will keep happening
Men have lost limbs and been paid less
>>29769462
Why should I care when women only make up 14% of the military and 0% of the Infantry?
The military is overwhelmingly male. Women do support jobs decently enough. Who cares if a woman in 92Y can't run the same distance in the same timeframe as a male. Women won't flock to the infantry in droves so who cares if a 100 women join?
>>29779507
>kevlar on wrong, hair is protected, brains not
>resting rifle on magazine, looks like she is using it to support herself as well
>not even aiming properly
>randomly fires afterwards
>no idea what she is recoiling from, should not feel the shock in her nasal passages unless to the side of weapon
>tries to rack bolt (scared of noise?)
>le pouty dance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>fucking cries
Damn I thought it was bad in the US Army, when I was in if women got pissy or emotional on the range we just immediately kicked them off and they didn't qualify. Still looks nearly as effective as your average arab soldier desu
>>29779676
She is just a reporter "testing new military uniform", not a soldier.
>>29779507
I take it she's new.
>>29780419
she's some russian TV idol babe, not a conscript.
>>29769840
>complaining about autism
>on 4chan
>on /k/
>>29769855
This is about grunts, not pogs.
Lets not try to pretend that integrating women will be any more disastrous than integrating the negros.
>>29781249
But that worked fine...
Maybe except for Bubba
>>29778102
Why do US forces carry so much weight all the time anyway? Is it really necessary?
>>29781363
tech is heavy.
About 10 lbs of the weight is small arms and ammunition.
body armor is heavy.
rucks with provisions etc are heavy.
>>29769829
You've obviously never been on the military.
Ten years marine corps infantry, witnessed the integrated battalion first hand
Some of the worst male infantry men we had to offer and some of the best women the Corp had to offer and they still failed miserably. After pushing this repeated failure to congress they decided, what the hell let them join anyway.
If any woman tries to argue that women should be allowed in combat arms, ask them how they feel about signing up for thw draft? When's that going to be a thing?
>>29781363
no
They are ordered to, the generals are idiots, it gets people killed, but who cares they get new blood in every few years
And then they don't need to pay for the permanently fucked knees/backs
>>29781593
There is literally nothing stopping them from producing autonomous UAV's that can do a resupply drop once a day to greatly reduce the requirement of carrying food/water/ammo
Passive exoskeletons are also a thing.
>>29781621
that's a question for the House right now
>>29775947
>>29769462
Look there is no reason for women to be in the military, women are objectively higher maintenance than men.
Every box of tampons shipped for the one strong bicycle who don't need no fish, is a 14th slug wasted that could have been ammo, food or otherwise.
Now extrapolate that to actual combat, one more thing on the checklist. And all for a soldier who is half as strong and durable as the others.
Some people will say "OHH but we don't even war anymore so what's it matter?" this line of thinking is destructive, and a real slippery slope.
The US is one of the few western militaries that haven't gone to shit precisely because they became more about equality than their job. Don't let it go to shit for the strong fish.
Leave women at home, someone has to work the factories. It's still hard Labour and no one can say they don't do good. But it's a calmer environment that women operate better in.
Ps not an American.
>>29781694
>litteraly nothing
Except you know, reality.
>>29782319
>>29769462
There should absolutely be an all-female Brigade Combat Team; said BCT must be especially good at the following roles (many of which shall be its regular tasking):
>garrison duty
>anti-armor
>parades
Did I mention parades? So, let's have a few thousand female 11B tankkillers be (almost) as sharp as the 82D ABN DIV when it comes to putting on parades! And let's fit these ladies with flatteringly-cut uniforms and heeled boots! And let's parade them in front of all sorts of delegates across the world! And, during wartime, let's see when their periods all synchronize (happens to every group of close-knit females through sympathetic biology) and send them INTO THE FRONT to attack the enemy from the TIP OF THE SPEAR when they're MENSTRUATING FURIES! And let's see how that works, if it's effective, and how badly they need to get fucked after bathing in the blood of the enemy (and their own), and who'll be lucky enough to give them the dickings needed to sate their carnal appetites after the carnage they've wrought has bled out the last of their violence.
>>29769462
Women shouldn't be in the military in the first place.
>>29781694
tony pls, i know that's you.
My opinion is this: if women are allowed to participate in politics (and thus, the initiation of wars) they should be eligible for the draft.
>>29784289
I wonder how often somebody gets called out and it's actually the right name
>>29776873
Considering Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts are private, nongovernmental organizations I don't see how that's relevant.
>>29779676
Resting on AK magazine is fine.
>>29783987
Why? Every healty human adult can fight in a war, there is no rational reason for not allowing them to be in the army.
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>>29777750
>That remains to be seen
Eheheh ehhhh
>>29777919
>Jews consider k-9 sof
Top kek
>>29787094
IDF here. Male handlers recieve special forces training and are oftenly embedded with SOF units. Oketz isn't exactly a mixed unit. There are female handlers, but their missions and training are less intense than the male handlers' and they don't operate toghether.
>>29787063
Yes it does, she hasn't done anything yet
>>29786987
If there were men with the stats women have they wouldn't be considered healthy
Who actually thinks women should be in the Military. I have literally never seen anyone who would defend that point in person.
Honestly I think women in the military is just meme shit to attract boys to go kill themselves. IDF is always posting about how hot their fucking bitches are. But the IDF has no issues with having people volunteer.
The whole thing is a media charade.
>>29787531
It's more about daughters of military men and other tough girls trying to show the world how tough they are. They don't do shit, carry their bergens and complain constantly but ones off base at a bar they act like they are the toughest of operators.
Then there's always the group of military women who are there just to have personal harem of men.
I don't see what the problem is, women do just fine in sports that are traditionally male
>>29782614
This. Women in factories and farms can work as hard as they like, to make products that no war machine can do without. Any working human is valuable in a war effort.
Why do these SJWs and Feminazis insist on star shaped pegs in square holes?
Women can't carry injured amerifats. They have no place on the battlefield.
>>29769462
>like Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts
Maaan Girl Scouts is complete SHIT compared to Boy Scouts from what I've seen. I was in Girl Scouts for a long ass time and we didn't do shit. We went "camping" maybe once a year and it was always in fucking cabins meanwhile my brothers in boy scouts would go camping like every fucking month in tents. All we ever did was fucking arts and crafts shit and sell cookies. Also don't get me started on the fact that we sold shit tons of cookies and were promised that if we sold a certain amount we would get to go on a trip somewhere but my troop leader just fucking left with all the money and we never got to go on that trip. Fucking jew. If your daughter/sister/niece/whatever wants to join girl scouts thinking they'll get to do cool shit don't even bother. Take them camping and shit yourself or something. But then again maybe my troop just sucked ass.
>>29789494
>Take them camping and shit yourself or something.
This. Me and my brothers used to go out in the bush for weeks at a time and fish, hunt shit, etc.
I used to go back to school with bruises and cuts, once I came back with crutches after I broke my leg in a quad roll over.
Fun shit, people should do it more often.
>>29769462
lol they fuck like rabbits
i was inna muhreens and it was embarassing
you had female officers fucking male enlisted
all we have now is suits telling everyone the quota they need to meet and PC bullshit
women in many cases are just as capable its just the social aspect
Don't mixed gender units have higher casualty rates?
>>29770192
You can't walk down to CVS and buy a plan B pill while shooting the enemy's of American fredum
>>29779507
Wasn't this something about her not getting any hearing protection?
>>29789494
From what I've seen what troops do depends on the troop leader and the region.
I lived in Saudi Arabia and my sisters troop had survival classes out inna desert. They learned about dangerous snakes, how to drink from cacti, how to build a fire using dried up plants. They also sold cookies. Boy scouts was about the same for me, we had innadesert survival shit, community shit, and arts and crafts that revolved around camping skills (knots, wood carving, etc.).
>>29778064
>Women have no place in the military
Ehhh, I wouldn't say that. I WOULD say they have no place as infantry.
I don't see an issue with logistics/aviation/navigation/administration/etc.
>>29787472
You fucking idiot, you lost. It's clear who is losing because there are female infantry officers now. That was the goddamn debate, whether or not females will be allowed in the infantry. How do you not see this?
>>29769512
>If they keep the same requirements for both men and women, there shouldn't be any problems
What do you mean, "keep"? That's never been a thing.
>>29790035
The debate isn't if they will be allowed, its about shoul be allowed
And no, they shouldn't
>>29790032
does logistics, aviation, navigation, and admin not deserve competent staff?
You want to die because your women logistics crew fucked up?
Whats the point of having hundreds of thousands of people sitting around collecting salaries in the military, yet can't do any fighting?
>>29790098
>>29790864
>someone clearly never has worked in the army
>>29769462
We have already gotten our first female integrated in our unit, and yeah she is not a benefit in any way.
Usually, new joes are stuck with the crew-served weapons; she cant handle simple diss/ass of a M240. She is afraid of it and failed multiple times at every step. Even slapping on the heat shield was too much.
PT is a joke to her, her PU score is abysmal. The funny thing is that she still passes the female standard. I mean fuck, we have to do at least the req. # for her if your pocket is unbuttoned.
Sorry boys, it's just not going to work, if you cant carry a med. ruck, you aren't going to survive lugging an APOBS for km.
>>29793122
>implying "mental strength" is something to disallow women for
u wat
>This is troubling, but pretty much highlights the mindset of being strong until things stop going your way.
>Whatever happen to :
>>"can i be brave if I am scared?"
>>"that is the only time a man can be brave. "
sort of agree with you, we should be teaching every child to be brave, and there's a dearth of that right now
>>29793122
Kek, she stepped I to that like she was assisting in a demonstration
>>29789494
The girl scouts were started right after the boy scouts with the same purpose and goals as the boy scouts but over the years it became less and less about scouting and more about girly things
Guess who made girl scouts go from being boy scouts for girls to shit. Mothers of boy scouts getting involved in troupes always causes trouble, its one of the main reasons cool and dangerous activities are getting taken away from scouts
>>29777999
>>29770049
I was a guerilla radio-mule.
No women in miles.
(Finnish defence forces)
>>29794238
>mental strength
Women are more likely to cry than a man, it's a biologically embedded thing, and parents are more likely to help girls crying than boys also biological.
Putting a women in a really high stress situation where large amounts of lives depend on her isn't a good idea.
>>29797486
>Putting a women in a really high stress situation where large amounts of lives depend on her isn't a good idea.
>high stress situation
>bad idea for women
Get the fuck out of here. Women have been nurses for a long, long fucking time and relatively recently have become trauma doctors, surgeons, and even the boss bitch of the ER. There's been enough "doctor stuff" in popular culture to shed light on how tough it is, so even if you're some shut-in there isn't any excuse for you to somehow not know this. That aside, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt on this, but trust me when I say women handle stress pretty well if they're professionals.
Key part of that though: if they're professionals. If the sum of somebody's experience with women is mentally retarded trailer trash then yeah, I can see how a professional woman (no matter the field) might be a bit unfathomable. Clearly most of the board seems to think their auntie Charlene/Shaniqua is the de facto standard for the "fairer sex." Or at least it's a bunch of surly vets and frankly the opinion of some simple retard who hasn't even used his GI Bill is worthless.
Arguments about women in the military or women in combat or whatever aside, your argument is essentially, "women cry and stuff so uh, they can't learn to shoot gooder than boys." That was retarded enough to pull me from lurking, so good job on that.
>>29788687
Scrolling through
Dirt bikes fug ya
>clicks..plays...witness cluster fuck
>WTF
>Mfw they are women
>this is the type of shit that makes not even want to be a Democrat.
•We have school shootings
-let's take the guns away from the officers because they actually kill the bad guy.
•We have riots
-Let's take away guns and make people feel endangered in there own town.
As much as I hate trump I think I might vote right this year.
>>29770068
between you, me, and god. youve never served
>>29798304
I agree this thread hasn't talked about how there was females in the marines before they were actually allowed.
>>29798956
They got passed through with no effort though, not exactly a shining example of women being able to perform equally
can't wait for a grunt to die because a woman half his size couldn't carry him out of a combat zone. it's a steep price to pay but there will finally be some hard evidence against co-ed units/female grunts and not just theorycrafting bullshit
>>29769496
This reeks of so much bullshit.
No way you get ambushed with a 5-1 disadvantage by guys with RPG's, RPK's and AK's and then proceed to kill over half of their force without taking any casualties whatsoever.
>Also awarded the Silver Star in this ambush was platoon combat medic Specialist Jason Mike, who took up and simultaneously fired an M4 carbine and M249 SAW light machine gun in defense of his comrades.[7]
How fucking rambo bs do you want it to be.
>>29798994
Go read Sun Tzu the art of war
Not to say that you are wrong
I just think that you wouldn't have posted what you posted if you would've read the aforementioned book.
>>29798983
one death won't make a difference, it will be hushed up and the female will be given medals and awards for bravery and be touted as hero who survived something
it'll take a long and bitter war like vietnam and even then you and I both know the truth will still be bitterly fought over while the death count rises
>>29781694
I would say, go a step further.
Let soldiers go into battle with only their M-nine Beretta's. Then, when they encounter a threat, a drone drops the fitting amount of firepower in the hands of the squad.
Spot 1-3 guys, you get machineguns four with 60 bullets and a hand grenade. Spot a toyota with a machinegun on it ? The drone drops a grenade launcher. Spot an enemy tank ? The drone drops a laser designator so that another drone can shoot a missile at it.
This way you don't have soldiers wasting 100.000's of bullets on would be targets, costing millions of dollars. My uncle works for the German ministry of defense, I will talk with him about it, see what he thinks.
>>29799209
You're a fucking idiot if you think that flying drones in foreign countries that are capable of carrying and dropping weapons is somehow fucking more efficient than just having soldiers.
>>29799020
What do you mean?
>>29798994
...happened guy. Shit like this happens. In every war.
>>29798304
>nursing
>equivalent to getting shot at and blown up
I take it you don't work in medicine either.
>>29769462
Why? A bullet from a woman is just as effective as a bullet from a man.
>>29781694
Except you know, those inconvenient things like fuel and maintenance costs, availability of airstrips and the desire to decentralize some stores so one scud doesn't leave an entire European country out of infantry AT weapons or something.
>>29800436
A man can carry more bullets.
>>29800976
Fuel is essentially nothing compared to the costs of injured/dead troops because they are carrying too much weight or not enough ammo.
I dont' know why you think autonomous drones would need airstrips or could not be decentralized
>>29798956
They won't talk about it beyond stupid, bullshit cop-outs as seen here: >>29798969
Had anyone here been around in the early 80's (and no, being an infant in 1983 doesn't count) there was as much of a ruckus as there is now about opening shit up to women, and sure as shit there were leftists crying about "fairness" and wanting standards lowered. Sometimes it happened, sometimes it didn't, but at the end of the day women weren't in infantry or shit like that because cooler heads prevailed. So move forward to the Gulf War and we had our first female combat pilots and there wasn't many there because the bar for entry hadn't lowered. To my knowledge it still hasn't lowered, it's just more women have applied themselves to become combat aviators.
Personally I think our chance for "keeping the standards" has come and gone, it went away when women were allowed to pass with lower PFT requirements in the interest of padding the fleet with chicks. Don't get me started on CFT shit, our military is chock full of ghetto mamas and it makes me fucking sick. I would be 110% for having one woman out of ten pass boot (like that Capt. Greist, doesn't matter if army/marines or whatever) because those other nine couldn't hack it, then again if I were calling the shots the entire military would probably get cut down by a quarter because I'd be failing all the fatbody swinging dicks I could find.
>>29800390
>getting shot at and blown up
Learn to read you dumb, dumb motherfucker. He said "stress" which is a broad term encompassing everything from "getting shot at and blown up" (lmao) all the way down to waiting at a stop light for too long.
What the fuck are they teaching kids these days? Surely reading comprehension is still a required part of passing the 4th grade.
>>29769829
I love how this idiot cites Boudica as an example of a prime female warrior. Let's review Boudica's accomplishments, shall we?
>her father's kingdom was promised to the Romans when he died
>instead, he leaves it her in his will
>Boudica says she gets to have the kingdom now
>local Romans don't like being played, and take her kingdom (and dignity) by force
>Romans who gave loans to her father also realize they had better collect their money now before she can't pay them
>she goes on a genocidal tantrum, attacking towns and slaughtering all the civilians indiscriminantly, including fellow Britons
>Her army manages to route a smaller Roman force that was trying to save one of the cities, but was outnumbered by Boudica's army 5 to 1 and was led by an idiot (this was the single military success in her entire life)
>she continues on to slaughter the populations of three whole cities with her massive army
>Suetonius is back in town.jpg
>Suetonius doesn't have time for this wench
>He can only gather 10,000 legionaries and auxiliaries, but he positions his army in the best possible strategic decision, knowing the Boudica thinks winning a single battle against a smaller force makes her a military genius
>Boudica is so arrogant, that she tells the families of her army to set up behind them on the hill to watch the battle
>With no attempt at tactics or strategic thought, she orders her army to simply charge at the Romans and crush them
>her army is somewhere from 70,000-230,000 strong, outnumbering the Romans at least 7 to 1
>The Romans let them attack and BTFO out of her great army with javelins and swords
>Boudica's army is now in massive retreat, but the Romans aren't done with them yet
>The Romans give chase up the hill, and Boudica's army can't get away because they've run smack into their wagon trail full of their families who just witness their humiliating defeat
>The Romans give no quarter to these idiots, killing or capturing them to the last man
>>29801979
>Boudica dies like a bitch, either from poisoning herself or dying from disease
Let's recap:
This shining feminist example of how great female warriors warriors are managed to win one battle against a vastly outnumbered enemy, and lost another battle against an even more greatly outnumbered enemy.
This comprises her ENTIRE military career. The only other thing of note that she did was slaughter three defenseless cities.
Let's have some claps for the empowered womyn warrior! (But don't clap too loudly, because you don't want to trigger her)
>>29800436
So that's all soldiers need to be able to do right? Fire a gun? Shit, that makes me just as qualified as any female soldier!
>>29801656
>All stress is the same
Wow, what a retard. I honestly gave you far too much credit when I chose to respond to you.
>>29802064
>honestly thinks stress comes in different flavors
>doesn't know what hormones are
>>Wow, what a retard.
Cite some sources to back up your shit up, son.
>>29801016
>most men can carry more than most women
FTFY
>>29802134
>honestly thinks all stress is the same
I guess Hensley really does have PTSD
>>29802134
>doesn't know sympathetic responses vary in intensity
>doesn't understand biochemical kinetics
>doesn't understand psychological interactions with autonomic responses
>requests sources while providing none for his outlandish claims
>Indeed, he truly is a retard
>>29802416
>>doesn't know sympathetic responses vary in intensity
>in intensity
>not realizing that "vary in intensity" is not a synonym for "stress is all kinds of different!!!"
I stopped reading because you fucked your own argument right there. Stress from being hit by a car is the same stress from being shot, the resulting PTSD doesn't manifest into special "car PTSD" or "bullet PTSD" it's the same shit, it's treated the same way.
>>29802474
I'm honestly not even certain what point you're trying to make. You are making retarded claims that the stress experienced in nursing is equivalent to the stress experienced under fire, and attempting to obfuscate by saying I've claimed things I haven't.You can't read I guess.
See:
>>29800390
again.
You'll see this nonsense about different "qualities" of sympathetic response is all in your mind.
>>29802561
>You are making retarded claims that the stress experienced in nursing is equivalent to the stress experienced under fire
Literally they are the exact same things, the brain is being flooded with stress hormones and being forced to make critical decisions in spite of that. Why do you think they train both doctors and soldiers with repetition? Being able to make informed decisions when you have less than seconds to react (spend some time in the ER of even a LIII Trauma Center that's hit capacity, you'll see) goes contrary to what we're programmed to do: that's why every high-stress job (0311 included) requires training to ingrain simple responses to basic stress stimuli.
I'm sorry if this fucks with your view of the world but the argument that "well women stress mofuggen bix nood!" or whatever isn't going to fucking fly; it hasn't in the real world for the better part of 70 years.
>>29802987
>Literally they are the exact same things
Uh huh, just like getting PTSD from internet trolls?
>>29803202
>Uh huh, just like getting PTSD from internet trolls?
Don't be a fucking idiot, if somebody is so severely traumatized by arguing on the internet that they develop honest-to-God PTSD then they're already suffering from crippling anxiety. Why would somebody with such a condition even venture online? Are you being intentionally stupid now?
>>29803433
You're the one making the argument that all types of PTSD are the same. It's your fucking logic you god damned moron.
>>29802987
If you honestly think the sympathetic responses cannot vary in intensity based on the specifics of the situation, you're greatly mistaken. It is not an on-off process. I cannot even fathom how someone can think there is no variance in the severity of the stress response based on the specifics of the stressor and one's perception of it.
I'm not even the one arguing about women, that's just a retarded argument to make or defend.
>>29803721
>You're the one making the argument that all types of PTSD are the same.
No, I'm the one saying that stress hormones are the same and the stressful situation doesn't matter at fucking all when the brain is affected by the same exact shit. The only things that are different is the variables of the stress from person to person. Something you and this guy >>29803750 are missing, in the end PTSD is precisely that: a disorder of stress from trauma.
I'm not arguing that everyone is the exact same across the board, that's stupid, but I am arguing that brain chemistry doesn't somehow magically become different if you pick up a rifle.
>>29800390
>"women can't handle high stress situations where lives depend on them"
>here's a high-stress life-and-death situation that many women have handled
>"that doesn't count"
sure thing propane dick
>>29793122
>implying the things he listed don't require mental strength
u fockin wot m8
if my grandfather was alive he'd beat your ass
>>29769462
Why can't we simply contain them in womens' divisions?
>>29804178
So the stress experienced before a taking a big test is exactly the same in every regard, including severity, as that when your are being shot at? That's genuinely the position you are assuming?
>>29804220
That's not what I said, I said that one was a more severe stressor than the other. It has nothing to do with sex, or even the core argument of this thread.
Jesus Christ, when did /k/ get infested with white knights and SJWs?
>>29804554
>So the stress experienced before a taking a big test is exactly the same
Yes, becau--
>in every regard, including severity,
>including severity
and there you go again fucking it all up.
I'm not sure anyone who has a nervous breakdown when faced with something as simple as written questions even exists, and if they do I'm not sure they could even function outside of a tightly controlled environment. Why even make the comparison? You're essentially asking "yeah but is a soldier the same as a unicorn????????"
Here, since you're practically begging me to say it: yes, a soldier is the same as a unicorn, they both poop so therefore they are the same creature. The sky is green, down is up, and you're not a fucking retard.
>>29769496
>18th MPs
I know someone that was with them in Iraq.
>>29804704
You obviously must be retarded or something, though I'm pretty sure you're just trolling.
It's like your trying to argue with a ghost conjured by how shit your comprehension is or something.
>>29804822
It could be the fifth of scotch I've been sucking on for the past two hours, but I think you're the one having difficulty here. I've re-read what I've said and no, I'm pretty fucking sure I'm making sense here. I don't really want to keep arguing with you about this shit, it's not like either of us will change anything in the long run.
>>29804948
You're replies have little to do with my argument anymore. I must think you've misunderstood me somewhere.
Regardless, I agree, this argument is useless, have a good one.
>>29805009
I poured a shot out for you, /k/omrade.
Then I drank it. Cheers.
>>29804178
>No, I'm the one saying that stress hormones are the same and the stressful situation doesn't matter at fucking all
Right, so you're saying that a person experiencing PTSD from combat is the exact same thing as >>29803202 said. You are saying they're the same. THEY'RE NOT!!
>>29805538
>You are saying they're the same.
Look, if somebody honestly got PTSD from internet trolls, as in they wake up in cold sweats screaming from nightmares about being bullied online, their day interupted by moments of a range of wild emotions and vivid flashbacks of serious twitter posts then yes, they would be the same.
That doesn't happen though. I outline why here: >>29803433
there's a reason why internet trolls = combat stress sounds retarded: it doesn't happen like that. This hpyothetical person we're talking about doesn't fucking exist and I said that here: >>29804704 Unicorns dont exist, so any arguments about their PTSD that they may or may not have are stupid and you are a fucking moron for thinking this is a good argument to make against me.
>>29805538
>ifunny
>>29781694
>war is Call of Duty
>airdrops are always perfect and don't ever drift
>needing to march out to collect your supplies always works great
>it sure worked for German paratrooper units who had their rifles dropped in special pods that they had to collect after completing their drop
>Allies never found those drops and ambushed Germans when the Germans came looking for their supplies
>passive exoskeletons
>while marching
>spends untold millions of dollars to develop the technology necessary to make a woman capable of carrying the same combat load as a man instead of simply continuing to use only men for combat roles
Maybe go back to playing the latest COD Black Cock game and take your retard-tier ideas with you.
>>29805660
>This hpyothetical person we're talking about doesn't fucking exist
Jokes on you, yes she does.
Wow, autistic even for these threads
>>29787063
Geist looks like an ugly Jewish boy, not to knock God's Chosen People.
>>29793974
Lol no way you in 21st EN BN?
>>29805660
>this hypothetical person doesn't exist
Melody Hensley
You (blissfully) uninformed nigger.
>>29783451
cunts.
>>29806820
>>29807966
Im am forced to eat some of my words because we have failed as a species and unicorns do exist
Busting out the other bottle. Hope I drown in booze becase our soceity is dead now thanks to feminests and sjws their faggot gelding boy toys. please oppenheimer come and bring the nukes down on all our heads because phil ossifer faggot fucking stone was right all along
>>29805926
they're working on exoskeletons for soldiers already
>>29808732
They are still years and years away from exoskeletons and even when they finally make them they won't be useful for front line duty
>>29769462
I don't think there are enough women in the military to make it work
>>29807966
Wow
Some women make better soldiers than men.
>>29813139
they can't even hold their fucking guns
My Aunt was in the first female graduating class at West Point. She says females on front line infantry is retarded because they would get mowed down for 0 reason.
Anecdotal I know but still.
>>29813431
If I contact her and ask her if she has any odd nephew who likes the internet, would she be able to pick you about?
>>29813506
>If I contact her
Anon, he said,
>>29813431
>first female graduating class at West Point
Who exactly are you contacting? There was a total of 62 women in the class of 1980, are you contacting literally all of them to ask if they have weird nephews?
>>29801979
>>29801997
I knew Boudicca was a shit
But what about Zenobia? She was much more successful against the Romans right (although ultimately failed)?
No one ever mentions her.
>>29781249
Niggers actually have slightly more muscle mass on average and can perform just as good as any white man with good discipline. Every black guy I've know who's been a veteran kicked that ghetto shit to the curb the moment boot camp was over.
>>29803433
They suffer from crippling bitch syndrome and need to hurry up and fucking kill themselves
>>29769480
Marine corps study shows mixed units does worse in combat
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/10/439190586/marine-corps-study-finds-all-male-combat-units-faster-than-mixed-units
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/sep/10/marines-women-in-combat-task-force-results/
>>29813720
Same.
>>29770049
U.S. Army. 12B (Combat Engineer)
>>29789934
Just mandate that they get the shot at the company aid station every three months.
>>29769855
>POG, the post
Thank you for sharing how effective PSG Shanno was at writing reports. 10/10 post
>>29777897
/thread
>>29813905
>>29815938
Kek
>>29815950
The marines were always like that.
You fuck.
>>29818269
This.
