Could Americans win another revolution today?
>>29764488
A lot of people would die but eventually, yes.
>>29764488
Considering we actually have a military now?
Or is this an alternate history scenario?
>>29764516
If the American people decided to overthrow the government today, could they do it?
>>29764488
Against the britbongs?
100%
>>29764581
Most likely
Armed citizens outnumber the police, and the national guard is a militia composed mostly of freedom-loving citizens who are also most likely armed and ready to fight for freedom from the government
>>29764600
We probably wouldn't even have to show up and we'd still win in that contest. The only way the British win wars these days is when the Americans show up.
>>29764628
>always
>implying
>>29764581
Depends on the popular support for such an action.
If its a few thousand people nationwide then no.
If it was a significant percentage of the population who were comitted to such an action then yes. Easily.
If it was all the civilians were up against all the military, national guard, police and there was no defection either way. Then the goverment forces would get stomped.
>>29764608
lol. doubt it. youve got no more than 50,000 men for that fight. probably less.
Former Britbong in Texas.
Yes, yes they could, quite easily. And I wil join them.
>>29764488
No
Most Americans are happy and comfortable where they are compared to fighting a government. The feds would have to royally fuck up to motivate Americans to revolt.
As soon as people get shot others will stop fighting and hide. And so long as everyone ignorantly believes our democracy is working the government can label anyone a terrorist and kill them.
Plus the media is already controlled by the government.
>>29764488
probably, I highly doubt most members of the military, police forces, etc would be willing to side with the government against the people
>>29764854
>What is fb, other Internet based media
Ooooh sorry, you lose.
>>29764897
>what are useful idiots
>what are liberals
They will use their resources and rat out anybody they can using their sjw skills they learned on reddit
The internet and mass media will play a much bigger role in a revolution than weapons ever will.
That's a big part people seem to underestimate when fighting the gubmit
>>29764927
everytime i read SJW all I can think of is Stupid Jew Whore
>>29764670
>against all the military, national guard, police
Well considering an assload of those personnel would no doubt turn on the government that's not much of an issue.
Then you have a lot of the mil concentrated in certain areas and a lot of it abroad. Plenty of it is in the south which is generally more in support of 'murrica than the actual govt.
>>29764927
The end of the world is gonna backfire on the liberals, idiot. If we're talking about the collapse of the USA the world is not far behind... It'll be shtf. Useful idiots don't mean anything and neither does the media when there are food riots and other unrest. Not that any of this stupid fantasy is going to happen. But the collapse of the USA gov would only come from massive unrest, a shtf innawoods scenario the world can't recover from.
Reddit users will get btfo
fuck no
look how quickly most of them give up their rights/liberties with screaming applause
>>29764972
At least one of those is useful.
>>29764828
>over 300 million us citizens
>more guns than people
>approx 112 firearms/100 people.
10 % of the population is 30 million.
You could take 5% of the population. 15 million people.
then you take into account that the combined total of people in the military and LEO is less than half of that.
5 million total military and law enforcement personnel. That includes POGs and law enforcement logistics.
Outnumbered 3:1 in single digit population percentages.
top kek
It's as it always has been throughout history. Revolutions only occur when the number of disgruntled people reach a certain size, otherwise you end up with maybe a city-sized riot at most. The key is that enough people are so disgruntled that portions of the military will defect to the revolutionaries. America must be so fucked up to the point that vast portions of the populace have given up on any and all hope for a diplomatic/political solution(s) to their problem. America will have to get far far far worse before we start hearing about more clashes between the people and the authoritarians. It has to be shit like mass famine or something like that.
>>29765072
Soldier here, can't shoot a drone, enjoy clawing at the depleted uranium walls of my bunker while I play bomb the kids.
>>29765018
as a fredom loving american. this....
>>29765123
have fun killing your countrymen and destroying any prosperous future we had.. faggot
>>29765139
My programming does not allow me to care. I'm a soldier, not your countryman.
>>29765123
>can't shoot a drone
>hadji and is band of merry goat fuckers have shot down drones with ak's that have never seen a cleaning rod or bore brush
:^)
now, whether or not i think you're a posing faggot who's never SEEN an issue uniform in your fucking life, much less worn one is beside the point.
You're a dipshit if you think "lelelel drone strike" would solve the problem of a fraction of 15 million, much less the whole number, even less so the nation when you inevitably collateral damage little johnny and his playmate sue.
>implying the drone argument hasnt been rekt
>implying this isnt bait
>>29765195
>hadji and is band of merry goat fuckers have shot down drones with ak's
Nope.
Didn't read the rest of your post lol, wrecked and you'd get wrecked civvie =)
>implying there would even be enough drone support to cover a fraction of the unrest a full scale revolution would cause
>>29765204
>Civvie
Get a load of this cock gobbler
>>29764488
Against what?
Delusional Americans as per usual.
>>29765204
fine, I won't use what most likely amounts to propaganda as an argument.
Instead I will point out the very real possibility of our friend Ivan the Red sending us plenty of munitions that could take care of drones as well as those pesky helicopters and jets that might be called in for CAS
>>29765261
Okay Russiaboo.
>>29765123
Son of a TAC-EW Navy guy here.
Enjoy a lack of power after a 30 minute hacking job.
>>29765123
>can't shoot a drone
>hurr we got dem drones, can't run away from those
Yeah, good luck sending bombs into cities filled with civilians you fucking retard, ever wonder why we don't bomb ISIS as much with drones?
>>29765275
>son of a
Yeah well my dad is special forces he could beat you up lol #nerdrekked
>>29765282
tl;dr whatever that post was, as for yours, lolled, its rev war, course you can bomb stupid civvies.
>>29765293
(you)
>>29765010
kiiinda this, if we are having mass armed rebellion.....Id hate to see whats going on across the pond and south of the border
Killing Private Snuffy
>>29765156
>im an autist, not yoor cuntryman
>>29765312
>>29765320
>>29765314
Don't be mad you're beneath me. Not everyone is man enough for this job, that's why I'm the sheepdog and you're the sheep.
>>29765297
Thanks bo!
>>29765329
>>29765333
>>29765312
>>29765320
>>29765329
>>29765333
>>29765340
you know that thing that you do where you feign a punch at someone that you don't have a lot of respect for, and they flinch like you're going to hit them, and then everyone laughs?
that's pretty much all the US population has to do to the government.
>>29765293
You want a picture of my brothers trident & paddles? I'm at work but in 3 hours I can upload them.
>>29765362
Yeah please do, along with a timestamp.
>>29765408
Naturally. I need to block out the faces and dates but ill show you pics of the paddles he keeps in our families garage.
>>29765362
Also you said you were his son, now his brother? Filthy inbreds confirmed. Also draw a chicken on the paper you timestamp.
the us military is about 1% of the population...
also, a drone or F15 can't do a weapons check or enforce a curfew.. you need a body to do that.
>>29765429
My dad's TAC-EW my brothers a SEAL.
>>29765449
I'm a month and change from going to boot camp for a CTI or a HM greenside rate. If the latter I hope to do NSW later in my career. Taking the DLAB next week and if I do ridiculously well ill go CTI instead.
>>29765449
Filthy inbreds. You really should report your father to the authorities.
>>29765460
I would but he hacked our landline. :^)
>>29765072
>approx 112 firearms/100 people
How many of those are owned by service members and police forces that would serve there country and report for active duty against their rebelling compatriots?
I'm personally of the mind that an active rebellion would win with even a small critical mass, likley do to lack of willpower of the political class to fight a civil war and defection of key military assets.
Pretty much >>29765081
>>29765275
Yeah live free die hard was great
But have fun thinking the civilian sector doesn't exist.
>>29765330
Damn, you don't even know what constitutes the shitty sheepdawg concept. Anyway enjoy your ptsd since it's super common for that job. Hard to do it effectively with a gun in your mouth or black out drunk
>>29765489
>The civilian sector
You know nothing about the military. All the good ones work for us on a 150k+ salary as "educators" or "private contractors." Not only that, most special forces operators are hometown southern white boys who wouldn't take up arms against their own people. That type of experience is invaluable to a revolution.
>>29765481
>How many of those are owned by service members and police forces that would serve there country and report for active duty against their rebelling compatriots?
Serving the country would be supporting the rebellion. Your government isn't your country
>>29765081
>that font
>illigitimate
Props for diversity in firearm models though.
>>29765506
Sleep tight sheep
>>29765509
Oh now it's "us" huh. Still trying to figure out wtf you we're going for with the sf and their compatriots bit considering their motivation for enlisting in the first place and then being southern boys doesnt help with the idea aiding the govt.
But keep acting like the mil magically hold all of the cards like being enlisted is the equivalent of a gun to your head in the event of a full on rebellion. Thats where the actual loyalties show
>>29765586
Hahaha alright, we'll see bud. I have faith in the American people.
>>29765348
I read that backwards, and then thought that it was still a true assessment
>>29765320
>>29765329
>>29765333
>>29765340
>green text on a green background
>>29765609
OK look, let's back the fuck up here. I think what's happened here is some funky wording started some confusion because I'm pretty sure we were arguing the same point. Because I'm saying anyone that thinks the entirety of the military would remain loyal to the Govt is high as fuck.
So we're agreeing that anyone worth a damn would be FOR the rebellion right?
>>29765156
>I'm a soldier
>sworn to defend th constitution
>defiles it with his misguided ideas of what being a US soldier Is
From what you've posted you are autistic garbage and a disgrace to this army
>>29765664
more like a psychopath who joined the army to kill people, but then learned that's not actually how life works for the majority of servicemen.
that or he's surpassed tripfag levels of autist and should adopt one so that people who don't give a shit about his bullshit can filter him
>>29765123
i fucking hate this argument. If the government is intent on bombing its own citizens with drones then it is truly lost.
>>29765156
You're a traitor. Go fuck yourself.
>>29764488
No they'd be too busy making surrender jokes in the faces of the french guys trying to help them against the red coats.
>>29764670
>a few thousand people then no
Perhaps but I disagree. The original american revolution consisted of less than 10 percent of the population. Majority of the sheeple wanted nothing to do with a revolution and the rest were British loyalists (fucking canadians). I think that with an army of 10,000 strong, maybe even a bit less, you're seriously gonna fuck some shit up.
Here's the obligatory.
Answer is yes.
>>29764608
When push comes to shove policemen and soldiers are just ordinary citizens like everybody else.
In France and especially in Russia it was the soldiers taking up arms for the people and against the regime that's what tipped the balance of power to the revolutionaries.
For this reason they were also the first to be purged.
NO. Gov/Corps win every day with bread and circus. GG citizen
>>29768011
This a thousand times.
>>29764488
No, once war breaks out, Russia joins in, China will probably follow to protect their interests. GB and associates will try to balance it out
Imagine 30 years war but with nukes
>>29768424
*threat of nukes
>>29764600
This.
>>29764488
What he said: >>29764514
>>29765123
A- drone operators aren't soldiers
B- I get ammonia and bleach and pipe it into your bunker's air intake. If it's filtered I shove a firehose in there first and short it out.
>>29768303
This
Fucking easily. But nobody is gangsta enough to do gangsta shit and everyone is too fucking comfortable.
The loudest of the moldy labia crowd crumbles when the fbi comes for them like bitches.
>>29768462
This, a thousand times this.
>>29765072
>15 milion loosely alligned, leaderless, unco-ordinated, untrained people
vs
>an organised military
Guess who I've got my money on, but keep kidding yourself, its fine, as long as you have guns its all fine, shush, go to sleep, you've still got your guns right? It's all ok then, just go to sleep.
>>29765195
>hadjis shot down a reaper with an AK
[citation needed]
>>29765213
>implying that full scale revolutions have ever involved anything but a minority of a countries population
>>29765348
That's what they want you to think, guns are the opiate of the masses my friend.
>>29764608
Seriously doubt it m8. Once attack helicopters, tanks and other game chargers start doing the rounds I don't see how armed civies could conceivably win.
>>29765227
? americans rit XDDD
>>29765072
3:1 isn't bad odds when the outnumbered side are trained and equipped for the fight. Plus civilians have no response to drones, tanks and helicopters.
>>29770174
>Plus civilians have no response to drones, tanks and helicopters.
Drones, tanks and helicopters can't patrol streets, enforce curfews or capture dissenters.
>>29770174
Still under the impression that every single person in the military would remain loyal to the govt huh. Not considering the huge volume of current and prior servicemen that know where and how to acquire the good toys, or the current, prior and civilians that know how the shit works.
The response is knowledge and acquisition
>>29770219
Seriously. My Marine recruiter literally asked me if I'd ever go into someone's house to confiscate weapons. I told him I'd shoot he fucker that gave the order. He responded with " fucking right".
>>29770303
I'm still concerned about the Nasty Guard establishing a cordon sanitaire in the streets while state troopers do the door kicking. I'm afraid they might. At least in Califailia.
>>29764581
Yes, but that doesn't mean that what comes after will be better than what we have now.
>>29770341
We don't have state troopers in California. Closest thing we have to them is the California Highway Patrol.
>>29770488
Same guy, I was wrong, we do have state troopers, we just don't see them much because CHP does most of the traffic shit
>>29764488
yes because the government wouldn't be able to hold on to its current military.
>>29764488
>implying Britianstan coukd win anything.
>>29770117
There aren't enough of them in the US military to fully control more than a few megacities if that. Reducing their concentration to deploy them everywhere would only make them more likely to get picked off.
>>29765156
After seeing this post, can 100% without a doubt guarantee he's not in the military.
Just a fatass seeking attention
>>29770217
>Drones, tanks and helicopters can't patrol streets, enforce curfews or capture dissenters.
Literally yes they can.
Drone
>Enforce/Patrol
Tank
>Enforce/Patrol
Helicopter
>Enforce/Patrol/Capture
Literally yes they can.
>>29770303
>>29764831
Where in Texas, bro?
Roanoke reporting in, representing the 817.
>>29765123
Will you still be bombing them kids when your family goes missing?
>>29764831
>>29770847
Hey!
I'm nowhere near 817bro, but maybe Former Britbong? I won't be surprised. We have tons people from the UK around here.
The first time anyone significantly resists the fed government, they will be mocked by the news, talk shows, celebs, on social media, and in universities. The government won't ostensibly have to do a thing. People will protest IN FAVOR of the use of force against you. You'll be labelled, racists, fanatics, etc. So good luck, you delusional folks
>>29770906
This, unfortunately.
If any of the founding fathers were alive today, they would be labeled at dellusional, and mocked at any attempt to rally the public up, some would be put down like dogs.
Just remember Glenn Beck folks. Just remember.
>>29764488
against Britain?
lel
hell yes, the British army would be BTFO if it tried to fight the US.
Hell, there is not any army or combination of armies in the entire world that could take the USA.
If literally every country in the world decided they were going to join forces and take over the USA they would still lose.
>>29770973
Glenn Beck is still around, right? What's he into now? I just hear about him when another host mocks him
>>29764488
How long is the war?
The more Ron Swansons we have in government jobs (law enforcement, city departments, military, ect ect) the better.
>>29765123
Enjoy getting shot in the back of the head by a defector who decided to stay in the bunker with you.
>>29770901
Not him, but I'm nowhere near anyone.
>>29764488
Yes, because the US military wouldn't wage a war with the people.
>>29764831
>expat
Literally a gypsy.
>>29770219
>every single person in the military would remain loyal to the govt
No idea why people think this. As a cop-in-training, my department would be totally defending our constituents.
That said a revolution won't happen. They won't push people that far. They know they can't win. They will SLOWLY desolve our rights.
They push a little. Then would will wait for things to cool off. Then push a little more.
Example:
Full Gun Rights > No Full autos, cannons, etc. > No black guns > No simiautos > No bolt, lever, etc. > No gun rights.
Same for free speech, freedom of info, land rights, etc.
BUT THERE IS GOOD NEWS
This doesn't have to happen, we can stop it. Make your voice heard, vote (especially in local elections), call Reps, educate people, whatever.
Make America Great Again, but also keep America great.
>>29765275
Enjoy losing all popular support because now they cant charge their cell phones or heat water
>>29765123
enjoy your kids and family getting killed in retaliatory attacks and any woman whom is discovered as having a relation with a soldier getting dragged into an alleyway and shot
>>29771926
>4chinz
>having kids
How likely would it be to get away with shooting someone? Im not talking about point blank, im talking about from a couple hundred meters away.
>>29765227
Google donbass then tell me gov't doesn't get nasty ideas from time to time.
so does the average joe with musket against a bunch of scots charging toward him. Most of the time when the brits loss they were fighting a conventional army in equal or superior numbers and eventually the french came in so they were fuck tactically and strategically.
Also occupying a foreign country that resist is expensive as fuck.
>>29764488
you don't fight the government. fight the people that support them.
>>29765204
>civvie
Not in the military confirmed
>>29764927
Ha. If it ever got to that point, they would die in droves.
Ultimately OP, this would be a brutal insurgency (assuming actual conflict) Open warfare? Ehhhhhh no.
Define "win".
Could they force the standing government to make massive changes to the way the country operates? Maybe.
Could they dispose of and install a new government that functions? I doubt it.
The major problem, beyond the fact that any organized group would be infiltrated before the war started would be the lack of educated leadership. You'd have dozens of groups with a common end goal (dispose of current gov/leadership) but a myriad of different small goal, and this is on top of so many people who would fight and "lead" being incredibly stupid and or divisive. Imagine if, god forbid, someone like James Yaeger and his crew actually being somewhat cohesive and effective. Would any think that allowing them to have a say in post war negotiations be a good idea?
>>29764581
What government? Don't you mean, "Overthrow our corporations?"
>>29770174
Tanks and helicopters got there shit kicked in in vietnam by dirty peasents.
>>29765481
Most cops treat it as a job instead of a service.
>>29765330
Damn, the meatsheild recruiters do really a good job lol
>>29770117
Well its a simple strategy, you dont waste your time and resources fighting the tanks. You take out the infrastructure that supports the tank. It worked pretty well for the north vietnamese and kinda worked in afghanistan. Also tanks arent invulnerable shitloads got blown up by homemade bombs in afghanistan.
>>29770117
Once attack helicoptors, tanks, and other game changers start doing their rounds, the armed civies have already won.
>>29764581
You must be under the assumption that the majority of soldiers would protect the politicians who routinely fuck us in the ass with their dumb policies. It would be incredibly easy to overthrow the government since almost nobody would come to their aid.
>>29772846
Feel the bern
I honestly think if you kept throwing groups of people who believe in American Freedom that know how to shoot a gun you can accomplish any feat no matter how retarded.
>>29764581
It’s not a question of capacity. It's a question of motivation.
A population the size of America's doesn't even need to be armed to bring the entire system to its knees. It's just has to be motivated. And motivation is pretty hard to come by when everybody is scarfing McNuggets and watching shit TV.
>>29764488
Against whom? and Yes.
>>29770804
>tanks and helicopters patrolling urban environments
Why don't you just execute their crews and save yourself the trouble of having them burn to death
>>29770847
Hey I live in Texas too!
713 Houston Represent
>>29765759
>>more like a psychopath who joined the army to kill people
The edge is killing me, I bet you're one of those little kiddy douches who thinks he SF just because you're infantry. Shut the fuck up.
>>29770804
Unless your battle plan is to exterminate everyone (which is odd since usually tyrants want people to controll, not corpses) good luck with the drones in urban areas.
Sure, you might bomb Johnny Reb and his friends as they drive their pickup down a dirt road somewhere, but you aren't dropping bombs into population centers.
>>29764488
Yes. Against the bongs it would be easy. If you mean against the US government then it is still a yes but it would be harder. At the end of the day the only reason the US military can fight these drawn out fights against insurgencies in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam is because none of these wars touched the US homeland and because of how deep the pockets of the US government is. Once US infrastructure begins to fail during a civil war and our economy along with the world economy plummets, the US government can no longer afford a drawn out war. And if they plan on using airstrikes and drones it will only destroy our infrastructure even quicker and push more people to openly rebel. Liberty loving US troops and leaders would join and lead the rebellion and we would hopefully have a George Washington like character who is former US military to rise up and help organize, lead, and inspire the rebellion. There wouldn't even be an issue with getting people armed because there are more guns then people here at this point. So yes, another revolution can occur successfully but it would take the government doing some fucked up shit to cause it.
>>29765123
Have fun automatically losing by default with the first collateral damage as other countries immediately step in to overthrow the new american evil dictatorship
>>29775509
If these sand niggers can do this just imagine what we could do if we put our minds to it
>>29765156
>yeah, you're getting fragged if you try to stop us leaving with all the MGs in the company.
how's it feel to have neither the friendship of your buddies, nor the respect of your subordinates?
>>29769988
Because it's going so well with the Hadjis out east right? :^)
>implying a civil war wouldnt disrupt our massively compartmentalized food production system so much that no sizable force would be able too must enough food to obtain any sort of victory.
these scenarios are fun, but i would be impressed if anyone could explain this obstacle away
>>29774475
Alberto here, it's a lie, we only have one freedom day
>>29764488
Who would want to?
Americans are all talk and are actually major cucks. They are so cuck they actually have no democracy and corporations control them.
>>29775928
Youre not wrong.
>>29770117
The whole point of the Guerrilla game is to not be engaged by heavy weapons. Said heavy weapons are useless if they arrive after the skirmish is already over.
>>29765123
Traitor, drone operators aren't real soldiers anyways.
Enjoy getting popped by a defector or having your family get kidnapped as they leave base
>>29775702
we raid the underground storage facilities
>>29770117
Until the Rebels begin capturing or defecting said tanks and jets.
There's a reason Syrians, Ukranians, and other shithole countries now have fucking Armored rebel battalions and large rocket artillery batteries now.
Hell the Libyans who started as no guns peasants ended up capturing fucking JET FIGHTERS and Naval Warships for their revolution.
Civil Wars have a way of upsetting the natural order.
>>29764488
Sure why not, country would be turned into a shithole for years to come and America's enemies would leap in on the weakness.
But yeah, you could pull it off.
>>29765481
the United States military is a force that stands about 550,000 strong (might just be the navy, they like the phrase). The American populace stands 330,000,000 strong as of the last census.
it wouldn't even matter if every service member owned ten guns each, the American populace would still have more.
>>29764488
Honestly yeah, russia would get involved heavily in support of the rebellion and it's hard to fight something in your back yard. You can say "tanks and helicopters" all you want but in the end it takes fuel and supplies to run these things and it'd be pretty hard to do so when your fuel and supplies keep getting assploded.
>>29768178
Good lord I think anything less then 100,000 is gonna have a bad time
>>29764581
It depends on what the reasons are. If people are trying to overthrow the government to put something worse in place, something communistic, then no. If they were trying to free themselves from an already controlling government, yes. Americans fight best when it's for freedom. Everything else is comparatively worthless.
>>29764514
A lot of British people.
>>29764488
No, simply because if the government truly wanted it and the military followed it it is over.
In the original revolution 7% of the country was all that started it. They fought an enemy that could not resupply itself or bring more troops without a boat trip lasting 7 weeks. We out numbered them almost 1000 to 1, and were armed the same as them. We still almost lost the fight.
In today's age, the government can resupply, move troops quickly, wipe out large populations, and are better armed and trained.
So it would be 30 million at the same 7% vs about a million that is known to kill at about 100 to 1 ratio against civilians with minimum training.
>>29773614
We will send RPGs, and Javelin to support the insurgents, again.
Love, France.
>>29764488
Just look at the recent what would be Trump rallies that got shut down.
