Why are Henry bigboys so much more expensive than their marlin 1894 counterpart? A Marlin seems to have just as good of quality as the Henry while also having a side loading gate and being over 2 pounds lighter.
Really thinking of buying a .44 or .357 levergat, and some people irl have pointed me towards henry over all else, i'm just finding it hard to justify the big boy price tag.
Any thoughts?
>>29758586
Marlins are good guns.
>>29758615
How are Rossis? Any experience with them? I really hate that crossbolt on the newer marlins. Also how to lookout for Remlins?
>>29758586
>some people irl have pointed me towards henry over all else
Those people are idiots. The lack of a loading gate is unacceptable for a levergun chambered for a anything larger than .22 rimfire.
>>29758673
Why?
>>29758665
made by taurus. the end.
>>29758707
because tube loading is for toy guns
>>29758728
Hey taurus makes a fine wheel gun, senpai.
>>29758665
I don't know only shot my buddies Marlin .22 his grandpa gave him it when he was 15. He's 28 now and it's held up great and shot true.
>>29758665
Holds more shots than the Henry BBoy does. Makes me interested. Maybe I'll buy one up and yet you know.
>>29758707
Because it's awkward bullshit, just put in a proper loading gate on the receiver like on a real lever-gun, I'll pay the fucking extra costs for it.
I get that lever actions are kind of obsolete, but that doesn't mean we should settle for loading at the front like the early Civil War rifles in .44 rimfire
The loading gate was invented for a reason.
>>29758665
Rossi are quite low-end.
Marlin has had recurring issues in the past, but it seems they've really stepped up their game recently.
As for the crossbolt, well, you could just not use it, but if it really bothers you, I don't see why you couldn't just disable it.
>>29758753
They make passable wheelguns when their QC are awake.
Gattam the Marlin's are sexy rifles.
There is a militia around me that exclusively uses 30-30 levergats.
>>29758586
My impression is that the Henry's have much better workmanship. The metal to wood fit is better and the Henry wood is about the nicest I've seen in sub $1000 new guns.
The magazine tube on the Henrys is heavier and stronger than the Marlin's, and the Henrys often have genuinely good sights (XS ghost rings) instead of the generic buckhorn sights on the Marlins.
You're also paying more for muh shiny brass receiver.
>>29759396
Do they dress up in Indian Wars repro uniforms too?
>>29759396
Not gonna lie, that's retarded.
>>29758748
>>29759309
Shit, all this time I thought Henry's at least loaded from the bottom of the receiver. I'd never buy a tube loader like that.
>>29759403
Yes but why can't they make it a proper finished job and give it a real loading gate?
For fucks sake, it's 2016, if the All-Weather Lever-Action and the Big Boy Steel had real loading gates, they'd be perfect, WE'RE BETTER THAN THIS!
>>29759427
I know, right?
You look at this beautiful shit, and it doesn't even reload like a real lever gun should!
It's so disappointing. I'd be perfectly fine with a shotgun style loading gate.
>>29758753
Like a chinese knock off. They look like the real thing on the out side but inside is a horror show.
>>29758586
Go henry, the lack of a loading gate is worth the extreme quality you get.
>>29759414
No they are a legit militia. They think a lever action is good enough for their purposes. I'm told they have an insanely large reloading operation going on.
>>29759538
See, I don't agree.
To me, that's like buying a Bulgarian Arsenal, and finding that the magazine is welded into the frame and you have to load it one cartridge at the time from the breech.
>>29759455
cause henrys always been for showing off and traditionalists.add a loading gate and nobody is happy
you buy marlin if you want utilitarian and practical
>>29759549
>They think a lever action is good enough for their purposes
A manual repeater is good for ranger work and survival, sure, but as a fighting rifle, it's insanely dated today.
They're intentionally far behind the curve of pretty much any fighting force they could potentially face off with, even if speaking only hypothetically.
>>29759592
Idk much about them save for the lever gun thing. I'm sure there are other guns in the mix.
>>29759586
Traditionalist? Nobody around today was alive when loading at the front was relevant, hat shit was tossed in the Civil War because it was bad.
How is the addition of a loading gate, a feature standard to a lever-action ever since Winchester got into that game, not traditionalist?
I mean, sure, I guess I could go for a Marlin, but do they have anything really basic like the All-Weather? Something modestly utilitarian.
>all stainless steel, bead-blasted
>short length
>loading-gate
>top rail on receiver
>black plastic furniture, nothing fancy or tactical, just the standard stock and fore-end but made from solid black plastic
>>29759662
They have that exact pictured available as the 1895SBL in .45-70.
>>29759455
Here you go:
http://www.chiappafirearms.com/product/2083
>>29759467
Indeed, it could well deter me from buying one. I don't really want to be tube-loading every five rounds.
>>29758665
>I really hate that crossbolt
So don't use it, pull it out, or buy an old. I hate not having a loading gate with hot barrels and doing the Henry hop because of the follower. But that's personal pref and Henry's are good guns.
>>29759662
This. Winchester has been making leverguns with loading gates for 150 years.
>>29759754
That's close to what I'd like, but I'd prefer a curved grip and enlarged lever-loop.
Also it's top-ejecting, which kind of gets in the way of a top-rail for easy optic's mounts.
>>29758728
>>29758665
My buddy had a Rossi mare's leg and it was a piece of shit. the front sight kept falling off. FALLING OFF.
>>29758665
>rossi
>taurus guns so shit, taurus wont put their name on it.
>>29758586
Get a marlin, though i suggest one in .30-30 or .45-70 just because. You can always pick up a neutered pistol cal later.
>>29760316
Not OP, was just looking at http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/centerfire/336SS.asp though.
OP, I'm a Henry Golden Boy owner. If you want a rifle to look pretty and pass down to your kids, buy the Henry. They don't have loading gates because loading that way scratches the hell out of the finish. If you want a rifle just to dick around with and go innawoods, buy the Marlin.
>>29760316
.357 and .44 out of a lever gun are great fun, especially for the cost per round.
>>29758586
Anyone ITT that has a Marlin?
was looking for a marlin in .45-70 for driven boar hunts here in yurop.
The distances on thees hunts are fairly small, but i was wandering what kind of accuracy do they have, so i could use them for stalking or shooting from a stand.
pic related, i like this one.
PS. What kind of shekels do you have to pay to get one in the US? Here in my country they are around 900€ a pop, being a gun imported across the world and all.
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>>29760356
>They don't have loading gates because loading that way scratches the hell out of the finish.
This, probably. Henry loves to make all sorts of commemorative editions with engraving all over the receiver, so they want muh smooth shiny flat sides.
>>29760356
Or because they can't be assed to change up the tooling and know people will buy them anyway, specifically for the classic look.
>>29760556
>boar hunts here in yurop
Give them hell, the boars are a pestilence.
And you could probably shoot them from a stand and do stalking, if you want improved range and performance, Leverevolution cartridges are a must.
.45-70 is generally seen as a very fitting boar cartridge, and Leverevolution improves their performance in that regard, better accuracy, more range, more penetration.
>>29760356
>They don't have loading gates because loading that way scratches the hell out of the finish.
Odd, no Winchester has had this issue since 1866.
>muh loading gate
I have yet to see a legitimate criticism of a tube loading magazine.
I can't believe you guys would actually recommend the plate of shit that Marlin is now over a Henry.
This is all moot though, because you should be buying a Browning BLR.
>>29760924
Yea they can do allot of damage if left to overpopulate.
We dont really have too much of a problem with them (knocking on wood now). Our hunting club dispatched 110 boars last year.
Yea the leverevolution seems nice the price wise is a on the upper here (2,1€ vs 1,8 for the federal 300gr Power-shok - i hear they are good too).
Mind telling me what's the usual price for them across the pond? Also how much do Marlins run for (lets say a Marlin 95 GBL)
>>29761328
>I have yet to see a legitimate criticism of a tube loading magazine.
They require partial dismantlement of the weapon, and are more cumbersome (and therefore oftentimes more time-consuming) to load. This is self-evident.
>>29760556
I have a '70s vintage 1895 and love it. The straight stock is sex.
>>29761328
>plate of shit that Marlin was for a couple years starting in 07.
Other than that they had lemons like everyone else. You have to actually stay on top of the industry instead of just repeating the same shit until you die.
>>29761661
>operating with a lever action ever
If you want efficiency, use a semi-auto. Shooting a henry is an experience, just like any other gun. I've never shot a lever action that felt so smooth as either my henry .30-30 bigboy or .22lr golden boy.
>>29761777
>confusing efficiency with utility
tube feeding is about the most awkward thing you can do with a cartridge rifle
>>29762315
>I don't like it so others shouldn't use it
It doesn't help my case, but I did witness a lulzy thing an old dude did with a tube fed .22 at my local indoor range. Two shots into his first tube, the spring loaded insert launched out downrange. He had to wait till the range was cold to go it lol
>>29762360
You know who likes to use inferior equipment just because?
Hipsters.
>>29762396
And liberals, and conservatives and blacks and whites.
Also normal people
You really can't generalize anything to a class of people because there are so many people in the world that someone, somewhere, breaks the stereotype.
Plus doing something just because is fun in many cases.
>>29761777
Believe me, I don't want to operate with one. I just feel there's a nice middle ground between that and tube-loading.
>Shooting a henry is an experience, just like any other gun. I've never shot a lever action that felt so smooth as either my henry .30-30 bigboy or .22lr golden boy.
With that said, I'm certainly sympathetic to your position.
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>>29762360
The ONLY reason Henry's don't have loading gates is because they don't feel like spending the money necessary to change the design. If you want to spend a lot of money on a nicely made lever action buy a Miroku-made Winchester. They're the cream of the crop quality-wise and have loading gates, like they're fucking supposed to.
Fuck Henry, and their obnoxious late-night infomercials.
>>29760516
More fun out of a revolver.
>>29758586
I counter with this... Winchester or marlin? Side eject vs top eject. The great debate.
I dunno who these motherfaggots are that can't load a toob gat. I can load toobs faster than fucking loading gates, and I need to use less precision to do it. Nothing more annoying than my big gangly fuckfingers pushing a round too far and shutting the loading gate before the gun is fully stuffed.
tl;dr toobs are for a different sort of clumsy, fuck your ableist privilege you loading gate shitlords.
Also, > opinions.
>>29758586
>not buying superior browning/savage levergats to shoot handloaded nuclear loads through...
Shiggydiggy
The Marlins I'm seeing cost as much or more.
>want a lever action rifle
>buy Marlin 1894 in .357 mag
>nobody will sell me ammo because I'm not 21
>>29763557
Do you not have friends or a dad or something to buy for you?
>>29763596
Parents are anti-gun liberals
I'm in college, and all my friends are underage or anti-gun liberals
My family that would buy me ammo is 1000 miles away.
>>29763557
>buy ammo online
>say ur 21
>if they ask for sig on delivery deliver to older buddy
>fuck bitches, go shooting
>if not skip to fuck bitches, go shooting
It's not hard anon, I did it.
>tfw old Marlin 1894 as a gift from uncle
>tfw in .41 magnum
I love this gun but it costs as much as my Enfields to feed.
>>29760556
1976 Marlin 336 in 30-30. First gun I ever owned or fired.
The safety is half-cock or wigglingindexfinger.jpg
>>29763330
Winchester of course, Marlin's QC and Fit/Finish is SHIT.
>>29764035
You lucky motherfucker! Finding one sucks dick and I sure as hell can't justify paying for one...yet.
>tfw no 1894ccl + M57 4" combo
>>29758586
>.44 or .357 levergat
LOL! LEVERGAT! Are you serious...
Go get some training and see how far your clever LEVERGAT pronunciation will go. You'll be laughed out of the building and also the gun shop your "planning" to get it from.
On the serious side though, go to a shop with used guns and get a Marlin 1894 in .30-.30 if you can find one. You won't be disappointed since they where made before "Shitty" Arms Inc. took over Marlin.
>>29761328
>I have yet to see a legitimate criticism of a tube loading magazine.
>Slow
>Awkward
>Needlessly dated
Compare having to completely change your grip and having to fuck about with the muzzle end (like I'm shooting a fucking musket),and with reloading being accessible right by the action, like it should.
You don't have to change your grip much at all, you take a cartridge and put it in through the gate, repeat as needed.
>I can't believe you guys would actually recommend the plate of shit that Marlin is now over a Henry.
Have you seen a current Marlin? Things have changed, they've gotten their shit together. They may not be Henry build quality, but you can buy a brand new Marlin and expect it to do what it's supposed to do.
>This is all moot though, because you should be buying a Browning BLR.
Great rifles, but not always the kind of shooter you're looking for, I don't think they make them in revolver cartridges or stuff, or with magazines larger than 4 or 5
It's fucking fantastic to have a good quality lever action rifle that shoots .308
>>29761777
>wanting the gun have a basic efficient feature that all the others of it's kind do means you're looking to use it for operating purposes
Nobody is saying the Henry's aren't good quality, but the lack of a loading gate is a very striking drawback compared their competitors, who all have this basic feature.
>>29762360
>I don't like it so others shouldn't use it
Which nobody said, you strawmanning cunt.
>>29762442
>doing something just because is fun in many cases.
Yeah, like having a lever-action rifle that is practical.
>>29763330
I prefer side-eject, but top-eject works.
>>29763557
Buy reloading components then?
>>29764035
You might want to reload, then.
>>29764113
>Marlin's QC and Fit/Finish is SHIT
Get with the times.
Marlin is Remshit while Henrys are actually good
>>29766987
No loading gate, no purchase.
>>29763557
Buy reloading kit for .357. Buy shells and slugs and powder not together and no worry about not being 21. Plus you'll save like $10 per 50
I have a pre-Cerberus Marlin 336. If you engage the safety and pull the trigger, not only does the firing pin still contact the primer, it does it with enough force to fire about 30% of the time. Why even put the goddamn safety on there in the first place?
>>29765356
the fucks wrong with you champ
>>29769351
That is a defect... I'd talk to Marlin.
>>29769351
Because MUH LIABILITY
You could look to hit up Marlin and see if you can ask for a Big Loop Lever one as a replacement, they've gotten a lot better recently.
