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Would a tall, strong woman with actual training to match that of an equally wealthy knight/lord actually fair this well in combat? This woman literally one shots anyone who comes in contact with her.
Her armor/weapons are supplied by a very rich family and she's been fighting since she was a child but is it accurate?
No magical stuff, only discussion on actual swords/sword fighting, armor/combat un armored, and fighting from horseback.
GoT children should have their own containment board.
>>29732231
No, but it's fiction and strong women are my fetish
>>29732231
Has it ever been common? No? There is a reason you see it in movies and video games
>>29732245
There isn't any GoT discussion in here.
>>29732231
donnow but she's also desperate
She towers over most of her opponents, is using extremely high quality equipment, and is extremely motivated to win her fights. Her fights aren't easy one shots, she scratches and bites her way to victory if she has to.
![OrderoftheHatchet[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/QPZmCo1.gif "OrderoftheHatchet[1].gif")
>>29732262
The Order of the Hatchet was a knighthood that had women in its ranks because they came to the call to fight the Moors in Catolina.
Was it common? No. But it did happen. And when it comes to swords and such weapons, brute strength is hardly the most important thing anyways, and women can be just as skilled and technical with them. Weapons are an equalizer in that way. You'd hardly need a woman who is 7 feet tall and the hulk like GoT.
![joan%20of%20arc%20at%20coronation%20of%20Charles%20VII.0[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/h9yHyG8.jpg "joan%20of%20arc%20at%20coronation%20of%20Charles%20VII.0[1].jpg")
>>29732278
u wut m8
>>29732231
There are always genetical oddities hormonal imbalances and those far off ends on the bell curve. Maybe there is one in a thousand of women that could pull it off but not your average tall tomboy.
>>29732277
I'm sure they were excellent propaganda tools
>>29732278
Sure, with just a sword. Now give her a shield, a full auit of armor, and put her smack dab in the middle of a battle. See how well that works.
How long is knight training? Did she squire under someone? Are squires allowed to kill people?
>>29732288
What?
>>29732231
in the group she gets wrecked by 4 dudes, shes actually not that good
no one in the books are THAT good... even the best knights lost in a 10 vs 3, the best knights being the kingsgaurd before baratheon took the throne
thee show is a fucking meme
>>29732304
The books were good, the show is trash
>>29732313
>the show is trash
Maybe comparatively, but the show is damn good entertainment.
>>29732231
yes, possible
>she train from child
![stop_sign_jack_black_by_theshinytyphlosion-d6qnzh4[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BazUO5R.jpg "stop_sign_jack_black_by_theshinytyphlosion-d6qnzh4[1].jpg")
>>29732304
>>29732313
>>29732325
STOP TALKING ABOUT THE SHOW
THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THE SHOW
It's fun to play pretend, isn't it? In a real life swordfight people who excel in watered combat sports would be killed, just like people who do 3-gun and take "contractor classes" are probably more likely to get their brains blown out on a real battlefield, because they think they're fuckin awesome until someone snipes their ass or overpowers them.
>>29732355
what are 3 gun and contractor classes?
>>29732288
>>29732300
We see how well that worked out.
>>29732373
She just couldn't keep her mouth shut, well look where that gets you, whore
>>29732277
More like order of the bleeding hatchet wound ifyouknowwhatimsayin.
>>29732395
Kek
Well yeah, a woman can technically be a good a fighter as a man, just like a man can technically be 2.4 meters tall. It's just that said people are extreme outliers and far away from the average woman/man.
That being said, it's a fucking fantasy show so the main characters are going to be exceptional in one way or another.
I know plenty of women doing HEMA who could kick my arse 1vs 1 in sparring. in armour too. (plenty of course who I could kick the arses of - but the best ones are better than I am.)
And most of them are not tall or exceptionally strong - just average build.
strength isnt particularly important in swordfighting. awareness, timing, instinct, those sort of things matter far more. I seem to recall it was one of the Italian masters who wrote "if the art was only strength, then none would train." or something like that.
So yes, a tall, strong, well-trained woman is no different to an equally tall, equally strong, equally trained man. Generally, a man will have a little bit more strength than the equivalent woman, but strength is in itself not the decider.
>>29732355
>kendo
>3-gun
Participants of these two activities know that they are sport . Not training designed for combat. Maybe some other better example for your argument?
>>29732424
That's playing with swords with rules though, not fighting to kill
>>29732373
She beat too many hookers, I bet if she just spewed bullshit from time to time they would all laugh and let her alone but she was beating them hoes which made a lot of people angry at her even if they didn't want to admit it since they used their services.
I really want to get into HEMA now dammit...
>>29732424
When does a HEMA spar end? When one is on the ground with a knife at his/her eyeslit? Unable to continue due to broken bones and concussion? HEMA is a sport. It's not actual combat.
>Generally, a man will have a little bit more strength than the equivalent woman
>a little
M8 pls. There's a notable difference in strength between men and women. It's not a little bit, it's a lot.
>>29732439
no, that's with no rules beyond "dont kill your opponent".
but what do you think "training" is? Do you imagine that every 15th C sword master teaching killed their pupils every afternoon? Of course not.
so quit with the "playing with swords" comments, because it only shows you to be a fucking idiot.
>>29732428
Not really. Lots of people practice both and think they are real samurais or a real specops TIER 0 OPERATORS. Such people are generally referred to as "weebs" and "mallninjas" respectively.
>>29732262
>Has it ever been common? No?
No?
>>29732450
>When does a HEMA spar end? When one is on the ground with a knife at his/her eyeslit?
In some cases, yes.
in some cases like Swordfish (an event) when a referee calls the strike good.
in some cases like the BOTN 1vs 1s, when one or the other person is beaten to the ground. Team BOTN/ACL type bohurt events tend to be a lot more wrestly and just bashing, but the 1vs 1 matches tend to be far more technical.
So, you cant say its just one, because it depends entirely on circumstance.
I've sparred in armour and ended up with the other person doing joint manipulation where if they'd pushed it a little harder, I would've had my arm broken. I've had pollaxe sparring where I've been lightly concussed. I've broken teeth fighting russians who thought that a "light sparring" involved trying tp put a longsword through my mask - had enough to cave my mask in and force me to buy a new one.
HEMA can be as light, or as hard as you want. and the russians in particular like their HEMA a lot rougher than I do.
>>29732467
They were slaughtered by the French though
>>29732487
Were the Russians women?
>>29732231
She's like 6.5 feet tall and built as shit.
Even if she was only average strength for a woman at her height, she'd have a reach advantage over most men.
Plus she has an unobtainium sword and full plate. Most people have shitty steel and ringmail over boiled leather.
So yeah, the best female fighter ever is better than an average guy. According to her, she would have lost to Jamie if he hadn't been half-starved and shackled, but from his POV he isn't sure that's true. She didn't fight the Hound in the book, but in the show he had taken a wound and was drunk so it's a tough comparison.
>>29732424
no
men are better suited for combat than women - end of story
>>29732504
ur moms a woman
>>29732521
The hound wasn't a knight.
>>29732600
So is my dad
>>29732395
Goddamn nigger, you beat me to it. It's perfect though.
>>29732622
does he like it hard?
>>29732504
the one that broke my teeth, and mask? no.
but one was, and the only difference between her and the men was there was a bit less facial hair....
>>29732231
Sure they can, they can be just as good at basketball too
>>29732499
Yeah like every other african kingdom. They were still fucking operators, despite having tits.
>>29732693
>operator
But they weren't, they were the kings playthings
>>29732660
>Be big UCONN fan
>See this shit
>Just want to cry
>>29732231
>Woman
>>29732713
go slaughter those peasants now makes you operator apparently
>>29732463
Depends on your definition of 'practice,' I guess, because none of the mallninjas I see at 3 gun shoots are any good, precisely because they think they are all that and don't practice. They usually don't stick around long.
There's a reason 'gaming a stage' is a common term and proficient 3 gun shooters will do it as much as they can get away with.
>6'3
Goddamn.
Such a shame she's got a manface. Otherwise I'd be all over that like niggers in a KFC
>>29732553
Very well formulated argument you sure destroyed his points
>>29732424
>I know plenty of women doing HEMA who could kick my arse 1vs 1 in sparring
that's because you're probably a weakling autismo. I literally had to google what HEMA was, I thought you were mispelling HEEM
how many fedoras do you own?
>>29733227
Masterful riposte, you definitely countered his common sense with a logical and citable argument
>>29733227
He's not wrong though. Men are across the board better built than women for combat. Taller, faster, longer reach, much stronger. More aggressive, better able to build and maintain muscle mass. Pretty much any major area pertaining to combat has men as superior to women.
>>29732660
>scoring an own basket doesn't change the score
Really? A fuck up that bad really should count against you heavily
>>29733262
Bone and joint strength is a big one, women take those injuries there much more readily
>>29733260
>>29732231
Yes.
Even if it was just a normal woman with training they could win if they outskilled their opponent.
>>29733301
No women can never outskill a man in anything, especially combat
>>29732231
If said woman is built like Brienne and trained from childhood then: yes.
>>29733309
You really are retarded, like properly retarded, not just a little bit.
Like the kind of retarded that has to be put in a different classroom because you still need to study the letter A in the final year of highschool.
>>29732231
She can be strong for a woman, which would make her weak for a man.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomoe_Gozen
Exceptional female warriors is not as uncommon throughout history as one might think.
The fact that they are female lends them less historical coverage than males but some have crept through the cracks.
>>29733353
>The fact that they are female lends them less historical coverage than males
not really, if anything they're culturally over-represented.
I love how everyone says she is built, but really she is just tall. Her arms are toothpicks and her legs are not well defined.
>>29733360
Oh please it's naive to say that the deeds of females throughout history has not gone mostly unnoticed because the fact they are female.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not some neo femenist sjw. But I think it's logical to say that men have been favored to be apart of the annals of history rather a female.
>>29733245
>lolol martial arts are for nerds and autists
Grow up.
>>29733383
>Oh please it's naive to say that the deeds of females throughout history has not gone mostly unnoticed because the fact they are female.
Perhaps in history in general, but not in military affairs. The idea of warrior women is a huge meme (regardless of the accuracy of the claims), and has been throughout history. They aren't under-represented at all. Amazons/shieldmaidens are examples of this
Considering that the average white woman is as big and strong as the average Japanese male, then a large white woman would be basically like a big, strong Japanese samurai.
>>29733383
Not really though, every "warrior women" society gets talked up regardless of whether or not they were successful or even if they were a symbolic force of priestess
Same with famous female "fighters"
>>29733289
>no argument
>I've got memes though!
The grown ups are talking, kid
>>29733418
They aren't anywhere close to as strong as the average Japanese man though, fat ass western women might be stronger than delicate Asian women but not by the same amount any average man would be from them
>>29733420
>>29733410
Maybe all of us are right.
I know of some of the warrior women societies throughout history but I still think that in western culture in particular, and more specifically the dark ages. Women were under represented and there may have been some of not many strong female warriors that could go toe to toe with your typical male swordsman.
I mean I have a couple friends IRL that are females. But are really into combat sports. And they put out hard. To be totally Frank, I would be more cautious getting into a physical confrontation with some of them than most of my guy friends.
>>29733477
*****Some of, if not many ******
>>29732424
HEMA theirs your problem. 12 year old Karate sparing matches are more realistic. At least those 12 year olds hit with power.
>>29732231
I want to fuck and be fuck by her. Punch fucking.
>>29733477
If they were around you would have heard about them, being a woman while being semi competent is like be the absolute best at something as a man, people will talk about it, especially women
Look at the current ruckus with Harriet Tubman being added to the $20, from a historical perspective she had no impact on the world but she gets recognition because she is a woman that actually did something
>>29732231
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MF-YeWnIJfU
>strongest woman in the world
>loses arm wrestling contest against a couple of skinny fag random guys at a local bar
No.
Women are just plain weaker then men.
>>29733523
She's a qt, I would fug.
>>29733524
Modern Japanese men are still men and modern white women are still just women
Why do Japanese men compete with male Olympians when white women can't?
>>29732428
Ive shot three gun. Yes its a sport.
But like anything else, practice makes perfect.
I dont imagine it will make me an operator. But it sure as hell gets me better prepared than shit posting on a tibetan cave painting board.
>>29733551
>Japanese Men
>Competing against male Olympians
In things like figure skating, shooting, gymnastics, and archery
They don't typically win strength/physical competitions, do they?
>>29732231
Unarmored combat, sure
Armored combat was more like swordwrestling than swordfighting, so it's doubtful
>>29733575
>win
Not really but they are as competitive as any nation that isn't eastern European
You don't see any women that could even pretend to compete with them
>>29733418
>>29733451
If you're comparing modern white women to certain Japanese men hundreds of years ago who trained to fight.
Then you're an idiot. Yeah,they're short. But they're definitely well-built by today's standard because of all the training and other labor work they perform daily.
Few centuries ago. European were shocked by the fact that Chinese labored are smaller in size, easier to feed, but still perform better in physically demanding work than European. The same goes for Japanese.
If you're comparing white women today to average Japanese male today. Then you might have a case.
Most of the Japanese men nowadays are weak physically. Because of all the professional training they received since first grade in order to become another desk jockey. Aaaaaand they're still short.
>>29733594
>they compete just as well as the 4'5" Mexicans!
Not making a strong case here, anon...
>>29733643
And how many women can compete against a 4'5" Mexican at any sporting activity?
She is probably one of the very few believable strong independent female characters in television.
The fact they made her kinda fugly helped make it more realistic than a female power fantasy.
>>29732231
Yeah, but you seem to forget this is a shitty TV show made from books. No reason to bring it up outside of filthy normie circlejerks.
>>29732424
Came in to post this. Weapons are the great equilizer. Men against beasts women against men.
It's rare to find women that can really thrash men in HEMA but credit where it's due they exist. Height and reach matter more than gender with swords.
That said most girls quit alot earlier than men do because as far as exercise goes it's all in the shoulders. Were they're disadvantaged. c
Most of the statements in this thread are true but i'd still love to see the particularly misogynistic posters prove their physical prowess with a female fencer or wrestler.
>>29733701
Ha, jokes on you.
I have no physical prowess.
>>29733701
Me too, I love seeing cocky women meet reality
https://.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=rRfCpQx_FDE
>>29732295
Give anyone a shield and a full suit of armour, they'll do just as bad. If you arnt trained to use something you're going to get rekt
>>29733752
Embedding worked from mobile earlier how am I fucking up
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=rRfCpQx_FDE.
https://youtube.com/?#/watch?v=rRfCpQx_FDE
>>29733643
>insulting the Mexican Olympic team
You have no idea, man, you have no idea.
>>29732325
It's a soap opera with torture porn
>>29734067
Don't forget the gay sex!
>>29732424
yeah, but you're a faggot
>>29732231
99.99% of the time she would have been beaten raped and murdered historically speaking. However today's women seem to think they are men. The armor would weigh a good 90 lbs then add the sword weighing 7-8 lbs. Nor including any other gear then throw her in nonstop combat for 8 to 12 hours at a time after marching 8 to 10 miles to get there. Most people didn't survive long throw archers and horsemen in on top and she is dead inside 5 min in real life. Doubt she would even have the energy to swing that sword when she got to the fight. Shit if she had a shield she would not likely make it to the fight.
>>29732231
>Would a tall, strong woman with actual training to match that of an equally wealthy knight/lord actually fair this well in combat?
No.
Women who hold world records in athletics are consistently beaten by 13 and 14 year old boys.
>>29732231
Sure. The actress who plays this character is HUGE, and the GoT universe is based on the war of the roses period with a cynical outlook that most knights aren't particularly skilled at arms.
The fact that she, a fully armored knight who is huge and exceptionally well trained compared with the average can easily kill several opponents really isn't that unrealistic.
Any other woman though no, and there's no way she's not exhausted after every fight clanking around in that plate armor, I think they depicted it fairly well in the new episoe.
>>29734469
your post leads me to conclude you know absolutely nothing at all about what your talking about.
the armour would not of weighed 90 fcking pounds, it was closer to 40 lb for the hi end field armours like what she uses, your even more out on the sword! for an arming sword like hers your looking at under 2.5 lb.
combat would often be short and in small skirmishes and shes on fucking horseback.
your post reeks of bias and miss conceptions
>>29733492
You do realize that most people who do HEMA wear protective gear and use blunt, flexible swords, right?
You realize that people who do HEMA also often train with sharp swords and do test cutting, using the same kind of techniques and power levels they use in sparring?
This "lol HEMA is pretend swordfighting" needs to die. go check out a club local to you. Learn a bit.
There is always an exception to a rule.
>>29732231
A couple important details OP missed.
1) she has trained all her life as a knight
2) she was fighting men at seems, not knights
3) she was wearing full plate armour and they had chain mail tunics at best
4) she was charging at them, they were static
5) she has a sword that cuts through regular steel with ease
6) she is about 6 inches taller and more muscular than most men
Honestly there's no reason she shouldn't have wrecked them a lot more easily than what they showed.
>>29734513
She's like 6'2''. The Hound was significantly bigger, and likely more experienced, and she still managed to win. It's called jobbing. And its a fucking television show.
>>29734680
>13:35:32
Men at arms*
>>29732467
>Literally unga-bunga mudhut spearchucker version of Ghadaffi's bodyguard corps
kek
Africa. Africa never changes.
Yeah, I guess if you found some woman who was physically equal to a man with the same amount of training, they'd be evenly matched.
>>29732288
>jeanne
>combat
>fucking ever
uwot
>>29734469
>what is taking off armor for the march
>what is not marching at all because horses
>what is not eve having to take off your own armor because you have a squire
whew laddie
>>29732278
Melee weapons are not a equalizer you fucking idiot, they`re a force multiplier. Just compare the fucking damage of a slash on an armor made by a wuss and by a strong fucker.
Also, women have less spatial awareness, less coordination, bone structure that makes them more injury prone and unable to do certain movements with dexterity and the list goes fucking on.
"Warrior wymyn" are a fucking joke and are a "we wuz kings n queens" tier bullshit.
>>29734713
She got arrow'd though.
It's not like she was standing in the way back out of danger.
>>29732231
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3OIjpLSaYQ
>>29734768
Well yeah, she was a general and generals of the time were expected to be on the front line out of necessity. She was never a warrior though.
>>29734749
>slash on an armor
it doesn't matter if the person was strong or weak, slashing armour especially plate armour would do jack shit in either case.
>less spatial awareness
>less coordination
>bone structure
>less dexterity
yeah your speaking out of your ass cause all i can see is shit, source dat shit boy or sit down.
>>29734749
Wrong. You're assuming that a sword is just a brute force weapon. That's far from the case.
If we were talking about, say, using a crowbar to open a crate, sure, it's just a force multiplier, so whoever is purely stronger will be better at it.
Using a sword isn't just brute strength. Strength has its advantages, and all things being equal (skill, speed, technique, etc.) then sure, the stronger fighter has a slight advantage.
But it's very possible for a woman to be a good swordsman. If she has the skill and the technique and the overall athleticism, then she will be fine.
>>29733395
Yeah. This sort of clash reminds me of the "optimisic theoretical" vs "pessimisic theoretical" clash that often happens when people talk tactics for self defense.
For some reason people are really polarized.
If you shoot 3 gun regularly and are good you are probably better at killing people by a lot than your average cop.
That doesn't make you a cop of course, there's a lot more to the job, just like there's a lot more to the job of being a soldier than shooting a rifle fast or accurate.
If you had to work security or serve in a militia with only weapons skills, you might die like a chump because you stood in the wrong place or acted the wrong way.
It is completely possible to be a better shot than a navy seal, I'm not sure it's even that hard as a lifetime achievement, I don't think I am by any means but why would that be weird?
As for historical stuff, how do you anti-martial arts guys think people in the past practiced? It may have been more frequent (depending on military) or more violent, and it was certainly more geared to what that military needed at that time (which would mean drilling with spears not fencing, which means they may be weaker fencers than modern martial artists).
I wouldn't be surprised if the average HEMA guy is better at fencing than your average medieval knight. Tell me why that would be weird?
Also note, the samurai of the Edo period were not all very good at fencing, they were midget Japanese people, and some were fat. The average modern kendo guy probably could kill the average Edo samurai.
Now Musashi, may wipe the floor with them just like he wiped the floor with his contemporaries. Exception not rule.
The delusion that the martial artists/mall ninjas and their haters have in common, is that there is a level of competence in movie style badassery that you need to have to fight. That isn't true.
>>29734749
You nailed it anon.
>>29734798
I dunno, if you're in the thick of the shit going down, I'd have a hard time saying you're not a warrior.
Is some poor conscripted farmhand who gets sent to the frontlines and gets chopped in half not accomplishing anything else, is he not a warrior? A not very good one certainly, but a warrior nonetheless.
>>29734842
>I dunno, if you're in the thick of the shit going down, I'd have a hard time saying you're not a warrior.
It's a significant part of her history that she never actually fought you twit, she was purely a tactician. As far as I remember, she never swung a sword in anger against an enemy combatant.
>>29734835
>I wouldn't be surprised if the average HEMA guy is better at fencing than your average medieval knight. Tell me why that would be weird?
So a motherfucker who as been raised from craddle to grave to b e a professional soldier is less apt and trained then some jerk off that "fences" as a fucking hobby?
Fuck off faggot.
>>29734687
She was clearly the underdog in that fight, fought like a goddamn animal, and even then she got very lucky. I'm no sjw, but that fight wasn't even close to being egregious.
>>29734805
>yeah your speaking out of your ass cause all i can see is shit, source dat shit boy or sit down.
Nigger detected. I'll take the fucking bait anyway.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2758974/
http://www.webmd.com/balance/features/how-male-female-brains-differ?page=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsaTPtUl4vs
Watch some UFC female top 5 BW fights and compare to their male counterparts. Speed, technique, overall fight IQ, problem-solving, craftiness, octagon-awareness, explosiveness, power, etc. The men win every time.
>>29734807
Just like I cited, men also win on martial skills overall. Yes, it is possible, but she would get fucking destroyed by a average male swordsman and the odds of women like that existing were so low that this isn't even worth discussing.
>>29734835
>The average modern kendo guy probably could kill the average Edo samurai.
To be fair, the average modern kendoka and the average Edo period samurai are pretty much the same thing. They're both people who learned swordsmanship as a hobby during a time of relative peace.
>>29734942
>Webmd as a source, nice man that source really has some good credibility behind it
did you read the bone source you linked, because it doesn't support your argument anywhere near as much as you think it does
>>29734863
hema guy has more modern combat techniques and power of retrospect.
Kniggit was born and raised to be a kniggit, that motehrfuckers life is on the battlefield not just a hobby. Knights also know what killing is like, something hema hobbists never get to practise
It's all proven common knowledge reflected everywhere. I don't expect PC science to do any research too soon about those things.
>>29734749
>slashing armor
>calling people niggers
>"men are superior in every way"
I agree men are superior, but you yourself are an idiot and a racist, you propably don´t get any quality pussy and secretly hate the failure that you are, hence the projecting.
4chan is the right place for you my friend.
>>29734835
Kendo is not kenjutsu, kendoka would get crushed if they didn't train any other arts
>>29735140
C'mon mate, don't be so triggered.
Nigger.
>>29732372
>3 gun
run and gun sport where you shoot a variety of targets at a variety of ranges with an AR, handgun, shotgun
>contractor classes
pay a bunch of money to play army in case you get to go shoot durkas in afghanistan as a civilian contractor
>>29735092
Modern techniques? You mean the techniques that they try so fucking hard to reconstruct from old documents? You mean the techniques that he will never have to use in anger? You mean the modern techniques for a weapon that actually requires old techniques?
Fancy Bullshitsu never lives up to actual fighting experience. HEMA is based on allot of BS, HEMA practitioners don't train to kill, knights did.
A knight would have seen his first battle before he hit puberty.
>>29732231
She's not an overpowered character, she gets hit constantly. Notice how she took out one guy but then got knocked off her horse immediately afterward?
Plus she has the mentality that all she wants to be is a knight and on top of that she has to prove herself. Combined with her size and training, she's fine.
>>29734835
>I wouldn't be surprised if the average HEMA guy is better at fencing than your average medieval knight. Tell me why that would be weird?
Fencing for fun is one thing, fighting to the death is something else, depends on the thing we would have an average HEMA person and an average knight do. But I'd say if it was a duel "à outrance", I would bet on the guy who was trained for actual life and death situation and not for at best, serious tournament competition.
>>29733245
I have a friend that is getting into this god damn shit. It's fucking awful, it's like airsoft for swordfags/bowfags, but worse. He thinks because they get bruises sometimes that it's "real" or "authentic". It's painful to hear about their proud "battles", and these delusional faggots use ranks, and have stupid "wars". They have clubs within clubs for all sorts of lame crafting shit, and constantly are having drama. Kind of like if airsofters went to the level of being a cult.
I can't stand this wishful thinking, "I should've been born back then." It was fuck awful back then, it wasn't fun. Most likely you'd have died as a child or working some field, from some simple disease, infection, or starvation. It wasn't romantic, most people weren't knights, lords, or ladies. These people are fucking retarded. They would be crying within a week of not having modern creature comforts. They did what they had to back then, and it wasn't some kind of fantasy setting for them.
>>29735275
that's not because of hema but because you're americans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k-xqi4xX4o
>>29735275
That's just one retarded branch out of the tree.
Not all HEMA practician are full on delusional.
>>29735275
HEMA fuck your girlfriend or something? Damn you're mad
>>29734687
>Brienne fighting the Hound
Is this in the show? Because that definitely didn't happen in the book.
>>29734856
This and even her tactics were mostly just
>lol lots of big cannons
>>29733283
>lets discount upper body strength, speed, and endurance
>>29735237
That's a good attitude, but what you're forgetting is that soldiers don't do 1v1 duels.
But yeah, I think it depends on how intense the HEMA guy is and whether they wear armor.
Without armor you'd just expect the better fencer to win right?
>>29735167
Why do you think this?
>>29735024
This.
>>29734863
That's a romantic vision of what a knight is that may or may not be accurate depending on place time and individual, that's what I'm trying to say.
Plus fencing is only one aspect of being a soldier, like I said, it's not even the most important aspect, horsemanship, using a spear, tilting a lance, that's what a guy is probably going to be real good at if he's a knight.
>>29734942
>assuming real combat is like UFC
How do you explain the fact that UFC takes minutes and a real fight takes seconds?
>>29735184
Even if every knight was a veteran, that doesn't mean they killed anyone. Do you really have such a narrow minded view of warfare that it's the same thing as violence? Violence is just one part of war, ask any modern veteran about it sometime.
>>29736013
A UFC male BW would still beat the fuck out of the female BW at your "real fight".
>>29732395
CARLOS!
>>29733523
she probably would've beat the second guy if she'd gone against him first, it was very close. and she was too fatigued by the third match for it to be a meaningful bout.
>>29733245
I agree most HEMA is retarded.
Some people are just bros about it who treat it like fencing tho. There's some good shit on YouTube I found searching for like "swear vs long sword". But I think those uys are in Europe.
Kind of how cringe worthy Asian martial arts are when taught by white people.
>>29733383
>feminist revisionism is best revisionism
>>29732231
>who is Joan of arc?
There are a few oddities and standouts in history, but generally no.
>>29736312
They're pretty damn cringey when taught by Asian people too, generally just in an entirely opposite way.
Bad teachers are not bound to a single race.
>>29732428
Your logic is flawed and irrelevant
>>29733309
A woman can definitely be more skilled than a man, even in combat. Whether it's enough to overcome the man's innate physical abilities is another question.
>>29732288
She never fought in combat
>>29736013
people getting into "real" fights aren't anywhere near as well trained as ufc fighters.
A ufc fighter against your regular hoodlum would only take seconds too.
>>29736893
Yep. UFC dip would tackle the hood and try to get him on the ground, and then he'd get clocked in the back of the head by the guy's friend wielding a rock in a sock.
>>29734805
I think you are underestimating just how physically and cognitively different men and women are.
>>less spatial awareness
-Sex differences in spatial and non-spatial Y-maze performance after chronic stress.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12482677
-Spatial task performance, sex differences, and motion sickness susceptibility.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12434835
-Gender effects in spatial orientation: cognitive profiles and mental strategies
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2909401/
-Sex differences on a mental rotation task: variations in electroencephalogram hemispheric activation between children and college students.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10955203
-The effects of age and sex on mental rotation performance, verbal performance, and brain electrical activity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12115296
>>less coordination
I can't find any relevant studies to refute or support this hypothesis
>>bone structure
Androgens are widely accepted to enhance bone density, as well as erythropoiesis, muscle mass and general athletic performance. Look into the underlying causes of risk of osteperosis between elderly males and females and you will get your answer.
-Testosterone enhances estradiol's effects on postmenopausal bone density and sexuality.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7616872
-Effect of testosterone treatment on bone mineral density in men over 65 years of age.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10372695
-Testosterone increases bone mineral density in female-to-male transsexuals: a case series of 15 subjects.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15521957
>>less dexterity
I don't know what dexterity would entail in this context, so I can't say.
tl;dr Testosterone makes men superior to women, at least when it comes to matters concerning physical performance and spatial ability. Why do you think anabolic steroids are banned in sports?
>>29733329
put-down started strong but finished weak
>>29732288
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>>29736931
Yes anon, UFC fighters are all retarded and absolutely none of them come from actual violent backgrounds
You know more than them, and would probably survive better in a street fight. Because their hundreds of hours of physical training focused solely on learning to maim a human being in the most effective manner is actually useless.
>>29734842
Farmhands were never conscripted.
People who fought in medieval European wars were actual warriors. Not farmers. War back then didn't work like it does now. You can't just give a man a spear or sword like you do a gun and expect him to fight.
And you don't make your farmers stop farming because you have a war to fight. Who is going to feed the warriors or keep your economy going?
I don't mean to be a dick but that shit just didn't happen, unless maybe in civil revolts or other special circumstances.
>>29737096
People somehow believe the middle ages were actually worse then they actually were.
People don't want to think about how peasants often only worked half the year, and that modern people work more on average than their medieval counterparts. Or had good teeth do to lack of sugar and excessive amounts of meat in their diets
People don't ever hear about how people did bathe in the middle-ages, it wasn't until later did things get so gross in Europe.
A rough rule of thumb in sports is that the best woman in the world is probably about as good as a maybe state level (but probably not state champion) high school boy.
>>29733574
Quite right. It's like those "boxing won't help you on the streetz!1!!" people. Theoretical technical perfection is not as important as being able to practice full force (or nearly so) and compete regularly.
>>29734687
The Hound is a significantly better fighter than Brienne.
If you re-watch the fight, you will notice the hound is one-handing his sword, while Brienne is two handing like she should be.
This is because a few episodes back, the Hound got bitten on his neck/shoulder by an extra, and because medieval hygiene, it got infected and basically disabled his left arm. He doesn't use the left arm until he has to grab a sword to prevent being skewered.
The implication is that if the hound had both arms working, he would have destroyed Brienne.
Not to mention having an infection and the infection-caused fever really saps your stamina and fucks up decision making and reaction time.
A sword in your neck will kill you, regardless of the genitals of the person who stuck it there.
>>29737096
Farmhands got conscripted all the fucking time. That's what a "levy" is, and Medieval armies ran around with levies a fucking ton.
You know the Vikings? Most of the vikings on an expedition were "freeman", that is to say farmers who signed up with the warriors to go Viking.
The famous English longbowmen? They were yeomen, which meant farmers. However, they were farmers with a martial tradition.
>>29737276
>A rough rule of thumb in sports is that the best woman in the world is probably about as good as a maybe state level
That's going a bit too far. The woman's 100m record is 10.49 seconds, which is about the same time you expect from collegiate state championships.
Woman's marathon world record is 2:15, which is again at about the level of lower-end mens Olympians.
>>29737096
>Farmhand as 7 kids and a wife
>kids and wife also work on the farm to not starve and make a living
>Take Farmhand to war
>lol who will tend to the fields????
>>29737096
bullshit. medieval kingdoms were too poor to afford large standing armies, most of them hired mercs or conscripted.
>>29732521
>She's like 6.5 feet tall and built as shit.
The actress is 6’-3” but the character she plays is essentially a reverse tranny, more male then female, so she would be as good as a guy.
>>29735275
you're talking about the Society for Creative Anachronism
it's . . . . about as fedora as you can possibly get. Like take fantasy LARPers and go a tier lower into the people that actually take it super seriously.
>>29735275
replace the words sword and bow with ak and ar, and, welp...youve got /k/
>>29732231
I used to be an adventurer like you once... til i took an arrow in the knee.
>>29732231
Only if they use their boobs like Anne bonny
>*flashes tits*
>"I say m'lady, cover thine self! Hath ye no dignity?
>gets stabbed
>bitch takes all your sugar, tobacco, and spices
>die of gangrene on a beach in haiti
>such is life in the Caribbean
>>29737030
What you fuckers don't realise is that there's rules in UFC, so they've found the optimal path within those rules.
There is a german spear that has half of its length being solid metal, with a small hand guard between the wood and metal parts. Heard it being called "eel spear" before.
though trying to google it just gets me the fishing spear.
>>29733281
But then she would feel really bad
...asshole.
>>29736042
This isn't some modern day age war, where you mostly shoot at stuff you can't even probably see that well, let alone be able to hit.
Medieval warfare was up close and personal. So the chances that a knight either killed or maimed someone in his lifetime are pretty high. Not to mention that dueling was also common and often lethal.
Narrow mind? Get out of the basement faggot. War 10% theory, 90% practice. Fencing helps to build your reflexes, but it doesn't make you into a killer.
Do you have any idea just how common war was back then?
Christ man, don't even begin to compare those two eras.
>>29732261
>R-18
>Saber
>muscles
Gonna need the sauce
>>29738044
dude fuck right off
learning how to "optimize" kicking the shit out of people is a damn good thing to know.
I don't understand why learning to fight within a ruleset is somehow a negative.
Oh? It's a streetfight? So you're telling me the UFC/MMA guy can't make the cognitive leap of "oh hey now I can gouge eyes and throw bar stools and actually pop this arm out of socket"?
>>29738076
It's called an Ahlspeiss, bro.
>>29738106
>Medieval warfare was up close and personal. So the chances that a knight either killed or maimed someone in his lifetime are pretty high
Yes, and it's because people knew this that any general in the High Middle Ages who was worth his salt actively AVOIDED decisive battles unless he was certain his side would win.
The most commonly read primer on strategy back then, De Re Militarii, emphasizes this point repeatedly--that you should aim to win campaigns by outmaneuvering and outlasting your foes rather than by slugging it out on the battlefield, and the general adherence to this principle among skilled generals is why the casualty numbers for everything except for a handful of famous battles are comparatively very low.
The aforementioned famous battles like Agincourt and Crecy (which both happened in the Late Middle Ages anyway) represent the exception rather than the norm because of how huge the potential damage to your ability to wage war is if you lose or achieve a phyrric victory. Losing at Agincourt meant the loss of practically an entire generation's worth of France's best equipped/trained soldiers. Even with how huge, populous, and productive France was compared to most of its neighbors, they still needed over 10 years to make good the losses they sustained in that single day's fuckup.
As a result of all this, your "average knight" of the High Middle Ages might never have actually killed or maimed an actual enemy depending on from what country he hailed, what region in that country he hailed, where he ranked in the feudal hierarchy, and when he was born.
>>29732231
If she has lady gubbins but a surfeit of testosterone, she might be able to get man strenf. Especially if she's genetically male but failed to produce danglies for some raisin.
>>29735532
fucking kek
>>29733514
You'd also have to take into account that many women were actively prevented from doing things. They weren't even allowed into universities until relatively recently.
>>29734687
She was getting her ass kicked all through that fight until she tackled his ass off a cliff. That's not called jobbing that's just good use of terrain.
Brienne could do what she does in the show because she's trained her whole life or it and frankly she's a big fucking girl. She's also got a pretty major advantage in psychology (as is evident by the mouth breathers in the thread) and equipment given that she's been equipped by the Kingsguard essentially.
>>29738593
>some raisin
Dr. Mobius, go home.
>>29733575
>They don't typically win strength/physical competitions, do they?
you just fucking called gymnastics a non-strength/physical competition. are you fucking retarded? gymnastics, olympic weightlifting and powerlifting are the three most strength specific sports in the world. fuck you're stupid.
the japanese also dominate olympic judo. that's a sport that requires a huge amount of strength and power. anyone who tells you otherwise has never fought a competitive judo match. or even watched one on tv.
>>29733602
That was more because the asian peasant could be worked to death without complaining. If you tried that sort of shit with a european peasant they'd put a pick axe in your face, even in the Middle Ages.
>>29734653
HEMA is pretend swordfighting. And you're a fucking nerd.
Go take up a real sport like boxing or wrestling.
I do SCA heavy combat, I'm 6' 3" 180lbs, a better than average fighter but have still been beaten by women of average build. Size and strength doesn't count for as much with armor, sword and shield. Reach is more a matter of distance and timing than height or arm length and the power behind the swing of the sword comes from a full-body action that transfers from the feet, to the hips, to shoulders and then to the sword so upper body strength doesn't count for as much. If you try to batter your opponent with raw power they're going to block with their shield and then pop you right in the head or the thigh while you're off balance.
Ultimately even an average woman with training and experience is going to kick the ass of men with less of both 9/10 times. Of course it only takes a second's worth of inattention to get popped in your unarmoured forehead too so it might behoove her to wear a helm. Likewise her shins could use some protection as well. Many of the skeletons exhumed from the battle of Wisby gravesites had multiple wounds to the shins and feet since they were generally well armored above the waist but not below and it presumably had a lovely effect on the Gotlander's morale to see and hear their comrades get their feet hacked off by their more experienced Danish and German opponents.
>>29738900
Stop pointing your penises at me!
>Mfw that reference
>>29734805
>yeah your speaking out of your ass cause all i can see is shit, source dat shit boy or sit down.
How old are you that you don't know that women have less dense bone structure and muscle tissue?
Here's a fucking source, every biology textbook ever written. What do you think a body designed to produce estrogen in baby-producing amounts actually looks like?
>>29732231
>actually fair this well in combat?
http://writingexplained.org/fair-vs-fare-difference
She might do OK if she keeps her distance and uses her training with the blade. But if the male can get a bind or gets in close then she's fucked.
>>29735275
SCA is the same thing. They can't help themselves. Once they go around calling each other m'lord and m'lady the drama factor explodes. And they're all a bunch of social retards and ugly people. God I hate them.
>>29738972
>>29738102
I actually laughed aloud.
>>29738981
Oh great, LOBOTOMITES!
DALA! Get the spay before it... excretes all over everything.
>>29737096
>Farmhands were never conscripted.
Peasants owed military service as levies. So yeah, they were conscripted seasonally. The need to harvest and keep enough peasants alive had huge effects on the nature of medieval warfare. It could generally only take place a few months of the year.
Fully professional armies only became a thing later.
>>29738175
yeah, pretty much. under stress you do what you're most familiar with doing. also most fights end in a king hit in the first couple of seconds. and often it's their m8 you can't see throwing the king hit.
just like war. first rule of war, bring you guns, and all your friends that have guns. this is why units are a thing.
you really have no idea.
>>29732231
ITT
>>29738972
you're a skinny nerd fucker, that's what you are.
sca finishes if you feel it through the armor. a real fight doesn't. and no, that's not a good simulation of what a killing hit would be like.
fuck i hate you larping faggots. m'lady.
>>29738175
>learning how to "optimize" kicking the shit out of people is a damn good thing to know.
Not when your "optimized" solution is based on an unrealistic situation.
>I don't understand why learning to fight within a ruleset is somehow a negative.
It's a negative when that ruleset pushes situations into directions that they wouldn't normally go (kendo as an extreme example).
>So you're telling me the UFC/MMA guy can't make the cognitive leap of "oh hey now I can gouge eyes and throw bar stools and actually pop this arm out of socket"?
You don't rise to the situation, you fall back on your training. If you've trained constantly to do things one way then you aren't going to think about doing things the other way in an extremely stressful situation where you have to think quickly.
>>29739131
>>29738938
They wouldn't need to. The priest would excommunicate your ass for cutting into the peasants devotion and donation time.
medieval knights were immensely, incredibly strong. we're talking endless one armed pullups and one handed handstand pushups in armor. one legged squats were a thing back then too, we have drawings of them doing these sorts of extreme calisthenics.
swords weighed fucking 40 pounds. armor weighed 100.
even a blow that didn't break through armor would break bones, much like taking bullets to a plate.
women simply can't do it. knights were fucking behemoths of men trained since birth in the combative arts.
the fact of the matter is that a single stroke from a knight would simply sweep a woman away, probably in two pieces. she couldn't stop it in any way and she couldn't move out of the way fast enough.
>>29739305
>swords weighed fucking 40 pounds
>>29739108
hang on let me catch up to those goalposts that have moved over to "MMA/UFC guys have no friends apparently" land
>>29739270
lol yeah that's probably true
"Oith, Matee, verily stop workyng thy peasants to mort, I needith a new steeply.'
>>29739305
lol wut
>>29739305
>swords weighed fucking 40 pounds. armor weighed 100.
>>29739305
not to mention men have a brain designed for combat, and women don't. men can simply understand physical battle in a way that women can't. it's like seeing the matrix, to them. women have the same thing going for them in the field of social sensibilities and assessment of personal qualities.
>>29739321
You're a tard. I was pointing out how fights work. They're group affairs. Don't like that? Go fuck yourself.
>>29739305
lol
>>29732231
If she were that big and built like that, she could do pretty well.
But:
A: midieval societies would NEVER allow a female knight like that
B: She would be a novelty, and spend most of her time being an ornament in some king's castle
C: The odds that the ONE female knight in the realm would also happen to be the best are astronomical
>>29739305
>swords weighed fucking 40 pounds. armor weighed 100.
>>29732467
WE WUZ KNIGHTS N SHIET
>>29739395
>>29739363
>>29739348
>>29739336
>>29739317
http://www.thearma.org/essays/weights.htm#.Vx7Rw_krKUk
the sword a knight would use would weigh 40 fucking pounds. on the heavy side to be fair but 30 would be normal.
>>29733353
Bullshit. Females in male roles ALWAYS get more coverage. They're an oddity. They're interesting. They're "empowering".
No, females in actual combat were extremely rare up until this past century. And they're still fairly rare.
>>29739434
>reading comprehension>A Weighty Issue
Erroneous statements about the weight of Medieval and Renaissance swords are unfortunately common. It is an issue of the most habitual misinformation and misstatement. This should come as no surprise given the misrepresentation Medieval and Renaissance swordplay continually receives in popular media. Everywhere from television and movies to video games, historical European swords have been depicted as being cumbersome and displayed with wide, exaggerated movements. On a recent national television appearance on The History Channel, one respected academic and expert on medieval military technology even declared with conviction how 14th century swords were "heavy" sometimes weighing as much as "40 pounds" (!).
I brought you dinner anong
>>29739434
>On a recent national television appearance on The History Channel, one respected academic and expert on medieval military technology even declared with conviction how 14th century swords were "heavy" sometimes weighing as much as "40 pounds" (!).
>From ordinary hands-on experience we know full well that swords were not excessively heavy nor did they weigh 10 or 15 pounds and more.
god you make me fucking mad
>>29739140
>an unrealistic situation
so throwing a punch doesn't count if it's on canvas instead of pavement? You really wanna back that dude up and say that a trained fighter would be worse at fighting than an untrained fighter?
>kendo as an extreme example
poor example choice. Kendo will teach you how to beat the shit out of someone with a stick/club. Maybe it's not krav maga ultimate brutal murderfighting, but it still teaches you how to hit people very hard in very dangerous places. To say it has no value, or negative value, is fucking stupid. How can you not see that basic principles are always better to know than not?
>but but muh sport not a real combat art
what the fuck ever dude it's literally training to beat people with sticks. It takes about 0% mental gymnastics to apply that in a situation where you need to put someone down rather than score a point. You still hit them the same way. People can and do get killed being hit with bokken ON ACCIDENT. Someone once said that in war everything eventually becomes a club, at least the kendokid knows wtf to do with the thing.
>You don't rise to the situation, you fall back on your training. If you've trained constantly to do things one way then you aren't going to think about doing things the other way in an extremely stressful situation where you have to think quickly.
sigh
Some of what you're saying is ok and I see your point, but to flat out rule that in all situations the human mind isn't flexible and creative is just . . . . a silly thing to say. You fall back on your training. Ok. Good. One of the people in this situation has been trained to smash heads. The other is a thug or street hooligan of apparently mythical fighting ability who is going to "fall back" on what training exactly? How to throw a fucking stool?
I'm not saying MMA/UFC/whatever training is the be all end all, but it's much MUCH better than going into a fight not knowing anything.
>>29739434
did you actually read your own article?
> From ordinary hands-on experience we know full well that swords were not excessively heavy nor did they weigh 10 or 15 pounds and more. There is only so many ways we can repeat how these weapons were not at all heavy or ungainly
>Despite frequent claims to the contrary, Medieval swords were indeed light, manageable, and on average weighed less than four pounds. As leading sword expert Ewart Oakeshott unequivocally stated: "Medieval Swords are neither unwieldably heavy nor all alike - the average weight of any one of normal size is between 2.5 lb. and 3.5 lbs. Even the big hand-and-a-half 'war' swords rarely weigh more than 4.5 lbs.
> the average weight of swords from the 10th to the 15th centuries was 1.3 kg, while in the 16th century it was 0.9 kg. Even the heavier bastard swords which were used only by second-grade fighting men did not exceed 1.6 kg, while the horse swords known as 'hand-and-a-half' swords weighed 1.8 kg on average. When due allowances are made, these surprisingly low figures also hold good for the enormous two-hand sword, which was traditionally only wielded by 'true Hercules.' Yet it seldom weighed more than 3 kg."
>>29739359
thanks for playing
>>29739434
>For example, the lengthy catalog of swords from the famed Wallace Collection Museum in London readily lists dozens of fine specimens among which it is difficult to find any weighing in excess of 4 pounds. Indeed, the majority of specimens, from arming swords to two-handers to rapiers, weigh much less than three pounds.
here i am, putting the boot into your silly fucking ideas
>>29739434
>Says swords are 40 pounds
>Links to an article literally about how that's bullshit
I can hold a zwiehander out with one hand, fully extended, and point it. It's about 7 pounds in all.
>>29739496
You're playing with yourself. It's not moving the goalposts. Fact is, you didn't know what the fucking game is to begin with. You're an idiot and you've never been in a real fight or seen a real fight or even read anything on real fights.
Go back to being a child idolizing the Gracies or fucking whoever has taken their place these days.
>>29738526
There was also not as much war as people think. Even during wars like the "hundred years war", it's not like they were constantly fighting 100% of the time in total war. You could easily go an entire generation without a major battle occurring, and so an average Knight or man at arms could go his entire life without being in a battle.
Look. I do HEMA. We don't have these grand delusions of being super cool lethal killer warriors. We're looking at old fencing manuals and interpreting them and studying a martial art. We test things, and work through things, experiment, etc.
This idea that we can never come close to knowing how these people fought just because we will never actually use a sword to kill someone is stupid.
>>29738960
>real sports
>wear big foam gloves and only punch in one or two locations because kicks or other areas are not allowed
>roll around half naked with a sweaty dude trying to put your head between his legs, no punching or kicking or biting because not allowed
Grow up kiddo. Calling other people's hobbies and martial arts "nerdy"? What are you, 7?
>>29739558
Well, it's not. I have been punched and dropped and fucked around in a dojo for years. Real fights are massively different.
>>29739305
>swords
>40 pounds
Get the fuck out. Please. Go read a book or a fucking Google search and stop playing skyrim.
>>29739587
>HEMA
>Not a total larping faggot
Grow up kiddo. Thinking you're a badass when you've never been strangled unconcious or dropped on your head or beaten repeatedly without armor to protect you? What are you, 7?
All the faggots going nuts with all the stuff about male bone density and psychology for combat and whatever:
Calm down. Nobody claimed that women as a whole are just as capable of fighting as men. It was simply stated that yes, it is possible for a woman to be very skilled with a sword. That's not claiming that women as a whole are just as capable.
>>29739657
Just repeating my comment back to me with some words changed. Sounds like you've been strangled unconscious one too many times there bud.
You're the one shitting on other people's hobbies/martial arts like a child. I'm simply responding. Like I said, grow up. I don't "think I'm badass" but clearly you do just because you strip down to your underwear and submit to muscular men in underwear.
How about you enjoy your hobby/martial art, and let other people enjoy theirs? You know, like normal adults do?
She's as useless in GoT as she is in Star Wars.
To be fair in the real middle ages wouldn't most of her opponents be poor people dying of water-borne illness? She has food and shelter so shes probably in better shape then them.
>>29733324
This is my fetish, is there more?
>>29739713
I'll have you know that stripping down to my underwear and getting my head stuck between another mostly-naked man's legs makes me a hardcore motherfucker. You candyass HEMA children don't even know the fear of real martial arts. Will the guy pin me? Will I take a blow that I can't recover from? Will the spectators see my hardon poke through my gym shorts? These are all questions you tryhards don't have to ask yourselves, and never will, because you all don't fight for real.
>>29736206
>one or two 10 second arm wrestling matches
>poor, helpless womyn is suddenly fatigued and needs to recharge her patriarchy crushing powers
Are you unironically implying that a woman that lifts enough to retain a physique like her's would seriously lose any meaningful amount of strength after two arm wrestling matches? If she had that little stamina, she couldn't have gotten that built in the first place (unless synthol is involved).
>>29732231
Probably could, the greatest swordsman who ever lived by the name of Minot was just a little guy.
>>29739812
Right. Again, sounds to me like you've been dropped on your head one too many times. Enjoy your hobby dude.
>>29735140
yes
>>29739305
Real knights didn't dual-wield Dragon Bone Smashers like Demon's Souls would have you believe.
>>29733987
There is no Mexican Olympic team because any beaner that could swim, jump or run is already in America. Maybe when Trump gets elected they will get an Olympic team up and running.
