Are FALs really shit? I'm getting mixed opinions from the /k/ archive.
I really want one. Like the second I saw one.
And how difficult is it to find a good kit?
No memes please.
>>29705352
AR fags will literally decry anything that isn't an AR and they're about to flood this telling you to get an AR-10
AR-10s are doodoo and FALs and G3 pattern rifles are better
>>29705352
Provided its not made from shit, its good.
Good kits are expensive these days
http://www.gunthings.com/falkits.htm
>Wanting the only Battle rifle less accurate than a rack grade M14
>>29705584
Most FALs will do 1.5-2 moa with a top end barrel and an oversized locking lug. 2.5-3.5 with a worn out barrel and standard locking lug.
Yeah, some FALs can do moa or a hair under
Yeah, some FALs are 5 moa pieces of shit
>>29705615
So basically you need a snowflake FAL to hand with a basic M1a.
Just get a SIG 510 op
>>29705643
Basic m14 isnt that accurate.
https://looserounds.com/2015/01/30/the-m14-not-much-for-fighting-a-case-against-the-m14-legend/
>>29705352
>getting opinions from /k/
>taking them seriously
Found your problem...
>>29705696
Nice experience you have there anon. Pic related is mine.
Also
>M14s that were from rejected lots had issues
>Anons believe this means m14s are trash
They look cool and have cool history, they're durable, and they're easy to field-strip. But if you want performance I'd get a SCAR with glass if you have the money, or as nice an AR-10 as you can afford if you don't. Maybe (again, this is just thinking in terms of performance, not in terms of ineffable cool) a National Match M1A or a heavy barrel PTR, but both of those are going to be heavy as fuck and not all that great for the price.
>>29705378
Except that's not true. Most arfags are such due to a lack of competitive options. Either price or quality of every other 5.56 option makes the ar15 a better choice.
In .308, there's a lot more options. We can't get cheap semi fnc rifles. We can get fals
The only cheap hk93 clone is the century. And that thing has had a checkered past. On the other hand, ptr 91s are excellent, cheap hk91 clones.
OP, "I want one" is always a good reason to buy a gun
>>29705826
>Nice study you have there. Pic related is my anecdote
Not really convincing me here, bud
>>29705662
I-is that a k31?
>>29706193
It looks like an Stgw. 57 bubba'd to look like an AR
>>29705615
>get oversized lug
>gun won't chamber
>lol but it's accurate guise
You're stupid
They work great as shown by the large number of owners
If you looked at /k/ beyond 5 years ago, none of those shitposters even existed
I love mine.
>>29705643
Ive got an entreprise arms FAL (cheap crap) that shot 2-3 moa out of the box.
My skills arent really up to that level but that was with my buddy shooting.
Luck of the draw on the cheap FALs.
But a well made rifle from a good smith should be as good as any m1 or m-14.
I love my argie kit build FAL, it gets 1.5MOA with good ammo by some miracle.
Buy an AR10 though. The FAL is only awesome if you're just into the look and design. .308 ARs give you a better price/performance ratio and tasty AR aftermarket options.
>>29705826
T o quote Lt Colonel Chandler owner of Iron Brigade Armory and former Officer in Charge of many USMC marksmanship and sniping programs.
“Remember that the US Army struggled for more than twenty years to transform the M14 into a sniper type weapon. The Army finally abandoned all attempts to salvage the M14 rifle. Continued use of the M14 as anything other than a drill rifle is better described as DISASTER. ( emphasis Chandler’s). The M14 is old, and has never been more than a modified M1 Garand. “
>>29706615
but AR10s are shit
>>29706449
An oversized locking lug will, at worst, have the the takedown lever not be fully closed to look at it.
>>29706668
/k/ has a hard on for ARs and AKs because of Cod of Duty Black Cod and other fishy games. PTR/FAL family rifles and M1As are both perfectly fine if you don't treat them like shit.
>>29706668
If you buy a fucking PA10 or something yeah. GAP-10, SR762, DPMS GII, and even the SIG 516s are better for the money. The new SR762s even have that new ruger "match" trigger which ain't half bad. Definitely leagues above FAL trigger.
>>29706689
The HK91 clones and FAL clones are fine, but an AR10 brings more to the plate in today's market. The AR10 is the practical choice with best value. I say this having owned all 3 in some capacity.
>>29705615
mine was cool as fuck but shot like shit.
the ar10 was point n click but lacks superior sidecharging
>>29706687
Calling that a locking lug is like calling tires rotors
You're correct, but you're confusing the fuck out of everyone
>>29706687
Or you can just use a good optics mount.
OP, the biggest problems with FAL's is most are junk surplus parts kits. mainly from Israel and some fuckin jungle countries. And to top that off, all receivers made stateside cost a fuckboat, and are not made to milspec nor are they milled correctly. The only thing the FAL has going for it, is its ergo charging handle. Every other aspect of it is shit.
>no scope mount
>no real choice of rear sight
>mag release is a fingernail peeler
>very frontheavy
>not very accurate for flinging 62cpr+ ammo
>>29705615
fal's do 3-6MOA on average. worn barrel gets 6-8moa There is a reason their shitty sights only range out to 400m.
>>29705834
Id stick that bullet pen rite in her pooper and facefuck her until she shat bullets.
>>29706700
My FAL trigger is crispy and like 4 or 5 pounds
Not bad for something that cost me like $10
That said, AR10s are just scaled up AR15s
Unless you're hunting, you might as well get an AR15 because you're just spending more on ammo and the gun for no added benefit
>>29706728
Yeah I thought he meant locking shoulder at first too.
>>29706687
most FAL rear sights are too big to be accurate enough with a slightly tighter lockup
>peep sight on my L1A1 so big I have to guess where the center is
>>29706740
this
>>29706700
Oh, you want a 3.5lb FAL trigger? Why didnt you say so!
http://www.jardinc.com/fal-metric/
>>29706756
>no added benefit
Maybe if you just shoot in a lane at 100 yards all day.
>>29706746
>mainly from Israel and some fuckin jungle countries
>Austria and Brazil are jungle countries
>not two of the biggest producers of FALs ever
>all receivers made stateside cost a fuckboat
No they don't
>and are not made to milspec nor are they milled correctly
bullshit and you're making it up
Stop shitposting like you did in the last thread, faggot
Thread kill nao
>>29706770
The stock sights are another major source of accuracy problems. Good thing that there are some great scope mounts that let you put optics on them and completely bypass that issue.
>>29706746
>There is a reason their shitty sights only range out to 400m.
My irons go to 600
Do your research
>>29706779
>giving Jard money
They make cast trash
That said I have no problem with casting, but Jard sent me an AK trigger with so many casting holes it was a fucking joke
And then they had the balls to say there was nothing wrong when I sent it back
>>29706780
5.56 will do just fine to 800 yds and if you're using heavy 70s and 77s will make it to 1000
Obviously not to kill anything, but again, I already pointed out if you're killing things, 308 is better
>>29706746
>no scope mount
DSA makes a great one
>no real choice of rear sight
You want a lower with an A2 rear sight? Go for it holmes.
http://www.dsarms.com/p-11705-dsa-fal-sa58-metric-hampton-lower-trigger-housing-a2-sight.aspx
>mag release is a fingernail peeler
Contact slo cat on the Files, he makes oversized ones, pic related.
>very frontheavy
Go with a smaller barrel
>not very accurate for flinging 62cpr+ ammo
Can be accurate, and ZQi is under 50 centa a round
>>29706821
>1000yd AR15
yea if you point it at a 45 degree angle and let it rip
>>29706717
It really doesn't. All the low end AR10's are garbage and a build is precarious because you have to pay close attention to buffer weight, gastube, and should have a matched bolt+barrel+upper.
All the really good out the box AR-10's are in SCAR 17 territory, and a good quality build will still land you more than a top tier DSA OSW carbine
>>29706746
Metric FAL's can take a Belgian sight, and British (and others) FAL's can mount a SUIT
There is plenty of rear sight choices - an A2 rear gives you fuck tons of options, on the rarer side is the Canadian folding drum.
As for weight issues your FAL doesn't have to be a 20"+ musket and accuracy is good enough - it shoots better than an AK
>>29706899
dsa is shit
an aero m5 will cost about 1200 and out shoot it all day long
>>29706790
Whose this semen demon?
>>29706923
Aero m5 has small parts issues, its literally one step above PSA
DSA FAL can be had for $1200
>>29706821
Maybe if you're shooting at paper at those distances but anyone who actually shoots steel at distance will tell you there's a lot of difference from .308 and 5.56.
>>29706974
>Aero m5 has small parts issues
What parts exactly? I've got about 1000 rounds through mine now and it still feels like a premium gun. Their sub-moa guarantee holds true too.
>>29706860
>Contact slo cat on the Files, he makes oversized ones, pic related.
Also you can get an Inch pattern and use it with either hand effectively
>>29706879
you realize even 308 is over 10 feet low at 1000 right?
>>29706458
I remember when the M1A, FAL and PTR each had their run of hottest shit on /k/. Same shit with the cz75 and whatever surplus happened to be coming in at the time. Shit comes and goes same as the posters do. As dugam put it, the appeal is cyclic. People just need to accept guns for what they are and stop acting like they have literal stock in the companies.
>>29706939
Liru
>>29706980
>implying it makes a fucking difference what target you're shooting at
If you're not hunting, it makes no difference
The argument that you want a 308 AR is defeated by the point that at that range you'd be better served with a bolt gun and a bolt gun of the same price range will give you half the group size as a 308 AR
>>29705352
How's the century arms L1A1 sporter? Saw one at a pawn about an hour away. Tag said 900
>>29706687
its called a locking shoulder and is not in the images pictured you moron
>>29707196
>for long range*
>>29707199
half the time garbage, half the time good
Depends on who made the upper
>$900
yeah naw
>>29706996
Mag release buttons out of spec
Triggers that wouldn't reset consistently until polished up
>>29707199
Some of the century guns have imbel recievers. If so get it. Just make sure no one took a dremel to the feed ramp or anything else.
>>29707206
I'm not referring to that part.
I'm referring the thing in the lower, that the take down switch actuates to allow the upper and lower to rotate free of each other, and then lock back up to securely bind them together until the take down lever is depressed.
The standard sized one is often allows too much play
>>29707213
Well that explains why I never had problems. I built mine with an aftermarket trigger and mag release.
>>29706689
CODfags are going to go for SCAR17 and other special snowflake designs, the AR-10 is a fine design, the problem is just that there's no TDP for companies to blindly copy.
>>29708503
Actual engineering required?!?
Does Belgium still make FNFAL's? How does the HK417 stand up to these battle rifles. I don't want a battle rifle just to then treat it like a DMR. I want an intermediate to long range armor piercing, bayonet thrusting, hard nosed combat weapon. Grenade launchers are a plus and the G3 is the only one with one that also allows a bayonet to be used at the same time.
>>29710946
Belgium does not. They did up until they started the SCAR project. Engineers were unable to improve the FAL enough to their chocolate/waffle masters.
The HK is a better rifle. As should be expected of decades newer materials and engineering.
I dont know much about grenade launchers. Fired an m203 a few times, kind of fun.
>>29710152
It turns out the vast majority of the companies that make AR-15s don't know the first fucking thing about engineering so they can't make a decent AR-10 to save their lives.
>>29710946
>intermediate to long range
Not what Battle rifles are for
That's what a DMR is
>>29710946
info on pic?
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/G7K0Zup.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>>29710946
>the G3 is the only one with one that also allows a bayonet to be used at the same time.
>he doesn't know about rifle grenades
>>29710946
FN stopped production of the FAL in 1988.
>>29705352
I've have/had three. Armscor FALO and two DSA. 10/10 would by another.
>>29705615
The reason for this is is the stout magazine spring.
Ass a number of rounds a fired the reducing pressure the magazine spring exerts on the bottom of the bolt causes the rifle to string shots vertically.
I read this in Soldier of Fortune so you know it’s true.
>>29714127
Holy fuck that hurts my soul
>>29705352
only poor fag and stuck up ar/ak fags hate FALs.
