Why would anyone enlist?
No offence to enlisted just wondering.
>>29651431
Welfare fags.
better than being a NEET at home scratching your balls and trying to troll people by posted stupid shit on 4chan.
>>29651431
Everyone always has their own combinations of reasons. I always wanted to join the Navy because I love the ocean, my grandpa was in the Navy during WWII, I'll get to meet a lot of people and make lasting connections, and of course getting college paid for after is bretty nice.
Might seem like an easy way to get money, jump ahead, get respect, travel the world, or get out of a rut. Or you may just want to bust doors down with guns. I've always wondered the same thing, but someone has to do it....
>muh benefits
Not a milshill, but that's why a lot join.
If you have to ask you probably won't understand. Not in an edgy way but just in a different strokes for different folks type way
Honestly? I enlisted (with a BA) because I didn't feel like being a responsible adult for a few more years. Junior enlisted are basically treated like children, so it worked out for me. Now that responsibility is being placed upon me (made staff), I'm going to submit a package for commissioning. If I'm going to be responsible, might as well get paid more.
>>29651431
Also, I think chicks who do that to their eyebrows look stupid.
>>29651431
I joined because one day i realized i had no idea what I wanted to do in life, but I wanted to do something. I also noticed my group of friends didnt want to move forward in their lives, they just wanted to stay in the same minimum wage job doing the same things everyday with no plan to advance in their goals or careers. I decided to join the army because I was stuck trying to transfer out of community college to a university (in california you have to take classes not related to your major in order to transfer to a university). So after I got out of the army after 6 years as a 35T, i used the GI bill to get into a university on the east coast, which only required me to be able to pay for the university, instead of having to take unrelated classes like art, health, and humanities courses. After working in the field I did, I was able to experience and meet with people working in various intelligence and federal career fields, which is where I want to end up after getting my degree.
Also, all of the friends back home, are still exactly where they were when I left 7 years ago.
sorry for the wall of text
>>29651509
harsh m8
>>29651431
Not everyone can afford (or get accepted into) college. Also there are plenty of people who don't want to lead (and even more who are incapable/shouldn't).
>>29651431
Free college, the gi bill ain't bad for four years.
Plus other benefits
>literally drive a 2bn dollar nuclear powered warship with like six hours of OJT
>not held responsible for your actions even when you do things like seeing how far out of the water you can get the screw
>shoot machine guns
>get GI bill you can use to sidestep horrible education costs
>>29651705
>>literally drive a 2bn dollar nuclear powered warship with like six hours of OJT
what is nuklar powered and cost 2 bil
>>29651431
Because I don't get taxed capital gains and I'm sitting on piles of calls that are gonna get me that yacht in 2 years.
>>29651431
Because I wanted to work/fly on helicopters and then go and put a packet in to be a pilot.
>>29651714
>what is nuklar powered and cost 2 bil
your mom's dildo
>>29651431
It gives you a structured life in which very little is your own responsibility. In this respect it's a continuation of childhood/education with the addition of funds.
>>29651714
I don't know what has a screw you can make come out of the water
>>29651768
Not if you're a Company Sergeant Major
>>29651797
Well obviously but for the average soldier that's a good chunk of the motive (even if they don't know it consciously).
It's also the reason a lot of people have no idea what to do when they get out.
>>29651431
>tons of makeup
>literally using a uniform as a fashion statement
Women in the military were a mistake.
>>29651431
I did enlist when I went in I had planned to do my first contract active duty enlisted than go green to gold and be an officer...then I saw what officer life looked like and wanted no part of it. 1st of all being enlisted let me do all the things I wanted to do in the Army: shoot guns, camp out inna woods, play with with tracked vehicles(bradlees), and kick in doors. being an officer once you get past company command you have nothing to look forward to beyond staff bullshit and being an office drone at headquarters and drowning in admin paperwork. which is one of the reasons i have done everything in my power to not get promoted beyond E5 because even on the enlisted side once you get promoted too far you no llonger do the shit you signed up for.
>>29651431
Dat sweet sweet Post 9/11 GI Bill is going to allow me to pay for and finish college with minimal hurt to my wallet and future earnings. I wish I would have enlisted after highschool instead of racking up debt.
wanted to enlist, but was not able to. feels bad. I wanted to do something diffrent.
Going to speak with a recruiter today but Houston flooded, Brittexbong coming through!
>>29651431
I'm only TA, but I wanted to do something productive while I studied.
I asked everyone that when I went thru the (ch)air force. Here are the reasons I got from most frequent to less:
1- Training/benefits that can be acquired with little money/experience
2- To kill someone legally
3- Was homeless
4- Believe in America/military (kind of surprised this was last)
>>29651431
I can't join as an officer because I'm an immigrant
I enlisted in the Marines because no one else from my small highschool was doing anything cool, and I like to be a special snowflake.
Plus, I love guns and military history. So, I wanted to be part of that.
>Fun side story
When my recruiter asked what MOS I wanted, I said infantry. Some other recruiter in the office apparently infantry beforehand and asked me why I wanted to join the grunts. I said "I want to slit a Haji's throat in their sleep." He just chuckled and said I'd fit right in.
I miss those days. Being an old man in college really fucking sucks.
>>29651431
Because most officers are desk jockeys. Personally would never have joined if I knew all I ever as going to do was sit at a desk and give speeches.
>>29652188
Well, once you get your citizenship you can probably go through OCS. And if you have a qualifying MOS, you could always go Warrant Officer. Technically any enlisted can become a WO because IT specialists and aviators (at least in the Army) don't require a specific feeder MOS. I love America. Not many countries grant us immigrants so many freedoms
>>29652157
I'm former TA, joined for some quick cash until I got full time employment.
>>29651474
keep paying for my free college loser
>>29651606
whats you BA in?
>>29651431
Grow up in rural or small town middle America, never see anything outside of your own state, never understand what it takes to become a successful professional with a college education, don't learn anything at shit-tier rural school, all media that reaches you is government-approved propaganda-tier shit, want money to buy a Mustang or new truck.
There, that entire list applies to like 80% of enlistees and a solid percentage of the remainder are from inner-city areas and want to join the biggest gang on earth.
>>29651808
nah most people join for the benefits, especially married people, they get treated like actual gods from a benefits standpoint. I personally didnt enjoy a single minute of my time in the Marines because of how much of a child they treat you like. Also any human who cant figure out "Like...what am I gunna be mannn?" by the time they're 24 or older then they probably wont accomplish shit anyway.
This is the reason their are liberal arts degree holders, daycare worker loser cunts, psychologists, philosophers and countless other horrible life choices, and these horrible careers are by college degree holders. At the very least ex military people can be smart enough to know to get into a trade or something that pays well. At my college none of these 18 year olds with Bob Marley shirts they stole from the mall have any clue what they want and I love knowing none of them are going to be in a job interview with me.
Officer or
>>29652561
enlisted
You decide
>>29652407
Boy, you sound like an absolute blast to be around
>>29652561
>>29652571
next time use this?
Because some people don't want paperwork being 90% of their jobs
>>29652331
Business Admin
Joining the military is an act of cowardice, ignorance, or greed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuTjzYGaQb8
>>29652617
>the military
>not doing paperwork 90% of your job
I wanted to be in a tank.
>>29652744
The last time a U.S. military action actively preserved the peace and safety of the nation was probably the First Gulf war in 1990.
Like it or not, Iraq was getting itself into a position where it could completely fuck the global oil market.
It's pretty good bait otherwise.
I'm one of those fuccbois that wanted to enlist right after high school, even got to the physical standards of the Navy but didn't because he didn't want to stop smoking weed. I also have a crippling fear of being court-martialed or having my life ruined for something like forgetting to do something, waking up late or not saluting somebody. Among other things, typical anxiety/depression headcase lol.
Now I sort of regret not enlisting. Being an "old man" in college isn't that bad considering that most college kids don't have shit and you'll be much better off by comparison. I want to be an officer now, and I think I will pursue it after college. Seems to be much better for someone like me.
>>29652744
>Haven't done anything to protect freedom
Maybe not American freedom, but being from South Korea I'm glad I don't have to be a brainwashed Juche drone.
>>29652902
> I have life-altering anxiety / depression / mental illness
> can't stop toking the bomb chronic
I wonder if there's any connection? Noooo weed is totally harmless, man
>>29651431
I'd pound that polish pussy until the sun rises. Ya'll crazy if you don't want fit attractive woman to bang in the mil.
>>29653025
I'd be the first one to say weed can contribute to depression, but I actually do deal with anxiety even now that I don't smoke.
>>29651431
If you do, do 4 years and gtfo. There is no point in a career in the military these days. Reduced retirement to 40% top and some tsp matching bs. Enlisted in 2010 thinking I would be grandfathered in. Only to find out that after dec 31 2006 you are not eligible for 50% retirement. Wtf is that shit?! Do six years time thinking ill retire with what they told me and they backdate some shit all the way back to 2006?! Our military is fucking going down the shitter.
>>29653115
That was a proposal you fucking dumbass.
>>29651431
Because I have a twisted sense of patriotism.
>>29653152
Explain yourself
>>29651431
To be honest I was 3 years into getting a stupid business degree and I realized I don't give a shit about business or accounting so I signed with the Navy to be a nuke so I'd actually earn my pay instead of being a pro dirt raker in the army.
>>29651698
Fuck you dude, you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>29653152
>>29653152
I dont think you understand the significance of a military retirement plan. Most people who make it past 20 are entitled to 50% base pay of their retired rank. This also includes medical insurance until they die. I'm no law expert but it seems that coming up with a new retirement plan and fucking people over after 10 years of signing the dotted line is misleading to say the least.
>>29653162
That was a PROPOSAL for military pension reform. It was not adopted, the pension system hasn't had a major change in years.
>>29653218
They didn't.
>>29653162
He's saying you're a retard and getting out for no reason. That was proposed but never passed. The plan that did pass grandfathers everyone who joined before January 1st 2018;
any enlisted want to weigh in on this
>>29652309
i just got rejected for navy officer
i think im just going to enlist
>>29653115
Post more of that air force pretty seen demon
>>29652622
you should work for the el governmente, they love business admin and logistics degrees
>>29653284
How exactly did you get rejected?
>>29651431
>Why would anyone enlist?
Not wanting to stay in as a career
Needing college money
Wanting to do something that specifically only an enlisted person would do, i.e. infantry grunt, combat medic.
Stuff like that.
>>29653284
Woot, rejection boat ova here
Just got rejected for Marine Officer
>>29652601
I'd put up $200 and a fridge full of hostess snacks that tubby could beat that guy ragged
>>29653642
Did you get rejected as an enlisted? or denied entry to OCS from college?
>>29653592
probably CINCPAC got translated as CISSCUM
>>29651431
>muh dole
>muh legal killing
These are the types that do it.
>>29653592
ocs board denied me for surface warfare
>>29653642
i fucking hate myself right now
i bet its because i said i tried pot 3 times, thats what i get for being honest, im a fucking moron
fuck morals
>>29653736
yeah thats it. you should have said never
>>29653736
>admitting to drug use
If they can't prove it in the piss test, it never happened.
>>29653670
Denied entry at OCS from college, after a year of handing them 1,000 medical documents, I was DQ'd because of childhood asthma. Which hasn't been a problem since I was 10
>>29653736
Ditto, as I said they didn't like my asthma, I totally didn't have to say anything but I thought "Eh, its a non-issue and what if I suddenly have an attack, I shouldn't just die on the spot cause they didn't know". Fucked myself out of my life's dream
>>29653763
>>29653770
i know i just figured that i couldnt trust my references to not blab about it but its a fucking secret clearance anyway
i wouldve blabbed if someone asked me hard enough anyway im not a good liar
fucking hate myself
>>29651509
>at home
>trolling people on /pol/
>literally just scratched my balls before I read your post
>remember I'm an Army combat medic
Whew close one. I almost just had an existential crisis.
I guess one of the biggest reasons people enlist is to not feel like a bag of shit. I know tons of veterans who do almost nothing. They sit at home, smoke, drink, watch TV, and play video games. And then they talk shit on the non-veterans who do all the same thing. The difference is that the veteran feels like he's done something with his life I guess.
>>29651705
>tfw I should have joined the Navy
Trying to get a conditional release from my Guard unit right now.
>>29653578
I do work for the feds, as an enlisted airman.
>>29651578
The benifits suck, on paper they seem legit but good luck ever being seen at medical, I have so many injuries that I couldn't get treatment for.
>>29653773
the worst part was reading people with shittier scores and gpas and degrees getting accepted.
fuck it
i just wish i was born earlier so i could take part in the electric boogaloo that was iraqistan, i dont want to enlist now that theres no war
>>29653928
I try not to be salty about it but when we had a formal get together to learn stuff from the real candidates none of them even started off giving a shit about Marines or the program, it was like I was the only one who actually wanted to be Marine before the program.
Yah, I want to enlist but I can't bring myself to, it sounds extremely boring and useless comparatively. Not to mention the trash pay
>>29651431
ROTC :p
>>29652744
>MFW dislike the government
>MFW I've joined the Army anyway
>MFW money doing the things I enjoy
>MFW free education
>MFW getting free combat experience and training from the government
>MFW getting free shit like mags, pelican cases, and totally, definitely not on my way to piecing together a working NVG set
>MFW all of this training and shit will probably be used fighting against the government someday
Keep getting booty blasted, faggots.
Maybe if you weren't such fat, worthless fucks you could have enlisted like I did and reap the countless rewards of such an easy career and life. Fucking retards.
>>29653986
FUCKING SERIOUSLY
i fucked up by being honest
thats what makes me the most angry.
some enlistment ratings look okay but the pay is shitty and i'd be throwing away my degree
the marines only gives e2 ranking iirc to a degree too
>>29654053
It sounds Le Nice Guy to say, but being humble/honest has fucked me over abit in college so far
You're right, I dunno about what you're going into but I'm engineering. I'm not worried about money so it would be such a waste to Enlist. What can ya do though, ya know?
>>29654125
Sounds like you had shitty role models as a kid
Here was mine.
Change your game plan. Seriously.
>>29653773
I'm literally in the same boat, about to be dq'ed because of a heart condition. Unless by some miracle I get a waiver from Beumed.
>>29651431
The free college is pretty dank, and then the experience is definitely worth it imo.
I don't understand why anyone would enlist as something NOT military specific though (like supply, cook, admin, finance, etc). No cool experiences to be had.
All the rest of the benefits are shit. Education benefits and BAH are the only benefits worth joining for. Medical is absolute garbage.
>>29654125
i gotta go to grad school if i want my degree to be useful
at least it was stem
i might just put in my app for whatever is closest. im not too psyched about Army or AF but i guess i could see what they have as well
i need a perfect pft score for marines right? i gotta work on that, i'd love to go that route but i probably gotta lie
>>29652744
Got rejected, huh?
>>29654168
You don't need a perfect PFT for OCS, should be damn close though. I imagine if you can do all the pullups then you'll suffer on the run and vise versa.
>>29654143
I'm not a push-over so I'm not gonna fuck myself at every turn, but you're right, I could use to be more pushy
>>29654162
I hope it goes well for you friend, I felt genuinely lost when I was DQ'd, but if not then I'm sure we can both make a better way for ourselves. Don't let gay-ass heart shit stop you
>>29654168
Whats life but to get more learnt, so thats not a bad route to go
The Marines had a 3 platform test, 20 Pull-ups, 100 Sit-ups in 2 min, and running (3 miles in 18 min). Each worth 100 points, 225 would qualify you and 270 would classify you as desired. The best idea is to go HAM on Pull ups and sit up cause you can lost the most points there, running you need a good score but its the easier to not lose points
>>29651431
Here's a small list OP
>Just to see if I could make it
>Family tradition
>College money
>Want to go to war
>Want to fuck up hadji
>Acquire trade skills to use on the outside
>I'm going to be Special Forces/Navy SEAL/Ranger/insert cool guy shit here
>I get to play with guns all day
>I'll get to blow shit up
>I always wanted to join the military
>Nothing better to do
>Fuck it, I'll join the Marines
>Get to drive a tank
>Get to jump out of planes
>Muh benefits
>Boredom
>Looks good on future job applications
>Job involves a lot of time outside playing with guns in the woods with friends
These are just a few of the many reasons people join, and usually it's a combination of at least several reasons off that list.
Also keep in mind that a lot of people join up and realize that what they thought they were getting into actually sucks. Turns out most people aren't going to make it into SOF, FTXs arent' that fun, and even shooting guns gets boring when it's not just you at the bench mag dumping into a paper target.
On the other hand some people get in and find out they love or want to do more. Personally I just took another three year enlistment to see if I could make it over to SF after another deployment as a Ranger. It's really not a bad job to be honest.
>>29653659
You'd lose, fatty.
Wannabe officer here, can I still become an officer if I was "diagnosed"(I was on the fence about it but kinda wanted to see so my physician wrote me a prescription) for depression and took medication for it at one point? I took it for no more than 3 months almost 2 years ago.
>>29651431
Apparently most are niggers and illegals trying to get a path to citizenship. I'd never join the forces today. Are you going to trust your life to a dumb nigger or illegal beaner?
>>29654313
Unless someone else here has had the same case as you and passed, I would highly recommend you not mention it. If you think it's a non-issue, don't mention it. This goes for everything. If it turns out to be an issue then you'll have already killed yourself and its their problem not yours
Cause my mos almost never sees combat, and its fun to do.
>>29652601
That's clearly a luftwaffe officer vs. a volk volunteer police. That fat bastard was either too old or fat to join the waffen, but at least he tried to do his part.
>>29654033
I've met more anarchists in the army then anywrre else.
>>29654474
skinny white anarchists would get held down and raped until they died from internal bleeding from real niggas who are already used to living an outlaw lifestyle tho.
>did 6 years in air force
>learned a trade, used deployment money to expand gun collection
>getting my school paid for by uncle Sam now
Not a bad deal
>>29653826
..nigga im talking about a real government job
>>29654313
When asked, it's always a no.
>>29651431
Muh reesuns:
Travel. In the Air Force, you can go to Bongland, Germany, Italy, Korea, and Japan. Or you can go to New Mexico, or Afghanistan. Best if you are a lucky person.
Education. You can take college while active duty in the Air Force. Up to 100% tuition paid off for free, by taxpayers.
If you are overseas: Lower drinking age and foreign women
>>29654033
is there a version without the fag text?
>>29654655
better worded
May I have the version without the fag text?
>>29654664
>what is google image search
Dumbass...
>>29651431
I want to shoot people but for money and glory??
Also I got nothing better to do.
>>29651714
>>29651786
submarine senpai
Chubby manlet getting ready to take the SEAL challenge. Can't wait. Got 7 months to get ready for it.
You only sign up if you failed school or your family is piss poor. Like really fucking poor. Just moved into the country poor.
As part of my college education I've read quite a few memoirs from men serving all throughout history, there seem to be a few common threads:
>Boredom
You'd be surprised how many of these guys join up out of a kind of "nothing better to do" attitude. Particularly I remember the memoir of Charles Musser, he fought in the civil war and cited boredom as a primary reason why he joined up.
>Conscription
Several men I read about were conscripted and have varied opinions on it. Most seem to see it as the natural course of things, they can't do anything to fight it so why bother sort of deal. Some people like Richard Kingsbury who published his memoirs and called them "The Eighteen-Year-Old Replacement: Facing Combat in Patton's Third Army" viewed the draft as terrifying and wanted to burn their draft cards and flee but this was actually pretty uncommon. Some men, like my father, would spend their whole lives insisting they loved their time in the Army (he was in Vietnam) but in private would admit to their family members their honest views. I found a letter from him to my grandmother recently and he's complaining like no other about the Army, but according to my mom he loved it.
>Young Men Love It
Probably the most surprising thing from any of the memoirs I've read is that they all seem, at the end of the day, like they really enjoy all of the strange and interesting things that they'll get to experience in war. It truly is an experience like no other, and for a young man with a durable body and an easily molded mind it's probably one of the most exciting things he can do with his life at that point. Musser recalls several occasions where even in the civil war he got to indulge in some debauchery with his company. Ernst Junger in "Storm of Steel" mentions at least two gorgeous french girls that he spends time with. Even Kingsbury appreciates the men he serves alongside and wishes most of them the best, he loves the things he gets to see and the women he meets.
>>29651431
To go out and see the world
To go on an adventure
To serve my country
To kill
Free college
People will thank me for my cervix for the rest of my life
To get more welfare
>>29651431
I was in for 4 years, once I got out I started working in the same field (mobile communications) and my starting salary was 55K a year, and that was 15 years ago, I get a 3-5% pay raise every 2 years.
>>29652617
You have no idea what the military is like, do you?
>>29654518
The fuck?
Out right chaos isn't anarchism now and days.
To meet interesting and exotic people, and kill them
>>29655204
>implying ~2% pay raise/year is good
>barely outpacing inflation
>>29651431
Well I enlisted because I really wanted to see what fighting in a war was like, and more or less was hoping that I'd end up getting killed. Enlisted is the obvious choice for both options.
Can't get that in the O-corps. Officers are a normie path.
>>29654280
yeah but i hate my degree
i wish there was a war so i could just enlist as 0311
is it weird to want to go to war?
i shouldve just lied. why cant i just fucking lie
this sucks
>>29651431
Why would you not, selfish prick
>>29651431
>learn marketable skills
>guaranteed pay check
>full medical
>tons of benefits
>do cool stuff
Also my tinder game has never been stronger than when my pic was me in ABUs sitting in a MiG-29
>>29655285
with anarchism their would be no police fotce and gangs will roam around free to murder whoever
>>29651431
I want to enlist cause I feel the need to serve as part of something bigger than myself. I can't afford college. Going nowhere in my life. Having difficulty getting that leg up arguing into the Armed services seems the best way to beat that.
Besides I'm stuck in the bluest of blue areas in Commiefornia with no other way out.
Question for Armybros.
Is Air Cav completely gone? I mean "We were Soldiers" air cav. Or did get replaced by Air assault school or something else? Just wondering.
>>29655391
The fuck you in it for then?
I wouldn't say it's weird in the sense that it's unusual, young men always want a purpose, but I would say its not a good mentality to have.
I'm right there with ya
>>29651431
To be turned into a man since my father left when I was born and never taught me what it means to be one.
Welfare, they're no better than nignogs really
>>29651431
Free college and you get to kill muslims.
>>29656830
Except that's not true. You have to do your job or you get dishonorable discharged and get Jack shit.
>>29651431
Because nobody actually wanted my opinion on the matter.
Draft is a funny thing, lads.
>>29656691
i was almost done with the degree anyway figured i might as well finish it
i didnt have the money to switch or keep studying anyway
so im stuck
i hope i get into intel but im sure its even harder
otherwise i might try NFO they always need nfos and pilots
>>29651431
For all the wook pussy I can get
>>29657224
Is it at least a profitable degree? Once you go to grad school of course.
Hope you aren't colorblind
>>29651431
Damnit I don't give a shit if she's got STD's or if she's some psycho bitch PTSD case because she was triggered by some cis scum anti-feminist behavior, I would bend this fucking slut over the nearest piece of furniture and rip her fatigues off that ass, then stuff my dick so deep in her that my balls almost rip off and pump my cum into that stupid fucking womb of hers and never call her again.
>>29657274
biochemistry
so no
20/20 vision son
whatre you gonna do?
>>29652317
"free"
>manual labor
>sleep and food deprivation
>loss of life and limb
>contractually obligated to indentured servitude
>social deprivation
>PTSD, depression, suicide
>no relevant skills development for the working world
>desertion, subordination, thinking for yourself, etc result in a military prison which is much worse than a standard minimum security
>murdering children, women, non-combatants
i'll gladly pay for you to subject yourself to this on burgerflipper pay while I decide where to eat out tomorrow or how I'm going to nail my girlfriend anon while holding a masters degree
>>29657350
quit picking on us.
we are children trying to recover from retardation, it isn't fun to be poked at by successful civilians
>>29657309
Ackmed pls go
>>29657350
>implying any of that
>implying getting shot at isnt fun
>implying shooting brown people is murder
>imblying
>>29657340
BioChem isn't profitable? Really? I'd of thought it was
Electrical Engineering, was going for Mechanical but I fucked myself over by saying "I'll go Undeclared and choose later what I want". I later learned MechE requires 3.8 GPA, which I did have in HS but that was not fucking happening in college
>>29652588
I read that with no sarcasm and had to read it again.
Would buy a beer for that other anon he sounds responsible and mature.
You sound mad?
Why you mad bro?
>>29653167
RIP anon, he nuked himself to death.
Why do people even go nuke?
>>29657448
that seems really profitable
biochem is okay for lab monkey with a BS
a PhD needs years of postdoctorate work at 35-40k salary to find good work after
its really fucking gay. stem is a meme
i got a call from the nuke recruiter said nupoc was an option but fuck i hear so much shit about nukes here
>>29657252
>wooks
>talking positively about
future single parent detected
>>29657350
>no relevant skills
>shooting third worlders isnt relevant in a career of shooting third worlders
I kinda wanna join enlist as a last resort if I fuck my life up somehow but I'm honestly kinda worried that I wouldn't be cut out for it. Guns and shootin sound fun but I don't want to be the guy who fucks up and gets his squad killed or something
>>29654389
Spoken like a true wheraboo
>>29657550
>guns and shootin sound fun
theres not a lot of that in peacetime military
>I dont want to be the guy who fucks up and gets his squad killed or something
theres not even a lot of that in wartime military
>>29657564
What if I'm nervous about boot camp? I know that's probably the least of my worries for enlisting but that's something that weighs heavy on me, fucking up there would be pretty humiliating
>>29657421
Halliburton and Exxon appreciate your protecting of our freedoms in Iraq while people back home argue social issues with a remedial knowledge of the world and don't know you exist
>>29657499
"Career third world shooters"
Yeah so after your time is up, what, you become a contractor, make $120k a year in six months? Become a coolguy w/ cooldudes doing Sicario type stuff?
Then what, you die doing some illegal shit on foreign soil as a an overpaid MP and go back to the other point I made about being useless, just now you have more money than you would have which you'll burn like shit because you have no life or money management skills
If not, you go to college for free w/ a high school education as a 25+ year old man who probably hasn't read a textbook in over half a decade. Let me know how that goes.
>>29651431
better than flipping burgers
>benefits
>decent pay
>cool shit to do varrying on branch
>patriotism
>muh service
>>29651557
this i just want to kick down doors and fucking kill people while i operate. Even if i didn't get paid and only got a gi bill i would still do it, I cant stand living a mundane life i need it to be fun
>>29657479
Any kind of engineering is bank, or at least thats what everyone circlejerks
Well, once you're done swafting through the shit at least you'll be able to know how much better than everyone else you are
STEM is a meme but LAS is cancer
d00d, nuclear stuff scares the shit outta me, just look up stuff like Cecil Kelly or Tokai-Mura
>>29657625
>implying most high schoolers aren't clueless upon graduation
>those hips
HNNG
>>29651431
Money, desperation, the odd circumstance where your country is actually in a just war rather than just dicking around.
>>29651431
I'm late to the thread, but I would not join simply because there is nothing to do.
There are no great wars, nor are there immediate conflicts. It would essentially be a desk job with a gun minus the desk. It does not interest me. However, the idea of joining a PMC is becoming more and more appealing. It seems more in tune with the atmosphere and attitude of /k/ (as autistic as that sounds). No political correctness. No special rewards. Just you, your buds, some based old dudes, and a gun. And even then, you don't mean jack shit without pulling your weight. I know PMCs are almost strictly "Guard this oil rig" or "Escort this man" but doing it for 4x the salary of E3 is worth it. I'm tied stateside by college and my parents' approval so it doesn't matter either way.
But if there was a war breaking out tomorrow, I'd sign up for the Marines in a heartbeat.
>>29657707
Yeah I really don't like the idea of working with subs but nuclear shit I've always found interesting
Nuke is fucked and power school is a bitch
>>29657729
Sure but between 18-22 I learned valuable life skills I would have not learned if I was doing aforementioned. I have little in me against military service, just don't throw it in my face as if you contribute to society more than I do in order to win an argument, get props, or discounts on shit.
>I took ASVAB
>was fed the "you could be a nuclear engineer" line
>could have been chair force officer
But guess what, I wouldn't have been a graduate chemical engineer.. hell I'm a journeyman machinist as well and I wouldn't even give that up for military service.
I was bored, lost and confused too and I see the appeal, I just don't see it as THE end-all choice as if it was a life hack or something
>>29657817
I'd say if you find it interesting, and not to mention nuclear is extremely profitable as well as a exponentially growing field, then that's a great idea. But its still fucking terrifying though
>>29657350
Rather kill shit skins then be around you and your smugness.
>>29657625
Why the fuck are you on this board you fucking collage asswipe
Military can and will beat you up
And they have more tactical and logigistic skill then you.
No point arguing with a collage scrub.
Like reading is hard to do? Ever read a firearms manual on how to do a detailed strip?
>>29658329
>this is bait
>collage
>logigistic
>>29657471
I just wanted to
I couldn't afford to go to college and needed a Job.
because my job is cool and i get paid to learn Korean here in Monterey
>>29657830
We'll the only difference between your route and possibilities in the military is that machinest school came out of your pocket and you got your degree in school rather than doing most of it online. It's certainly not a life hack for those with the means already but for people in shitty situations it can open up a lot of doors that would be impossible otherwise, and look really good on a resume.
>>29657698
>
You need help. I just put "fucking kill people" and "fun" in the same idea. Next employment stop police department.
My friend is dumb as shit and could not get any respectable career otherwise. He went to college but stopped going to class a few months in so he could play League of Legends all day everyday hoping he'd go pro. Even if he went to his classes he'd probably fail most of them. He's retarded and annoying as shit, but he managed to become a marine so his life is not completely wasted.
Because I wanted a free masters degree.
Once I get my MBA I can go right back into my career as a GS-12/13 civilian.
The real question is why people enlist into dead-end jobs like SecFo, Maintenance, or Services. Fucking idiots.
Not everyone can or should be an officer, and there will always be a need for enlisted personnel.
Enlisted jobs offer a lot of good jobs that you won't be able to get as an officer in the same field. If you are a Comm Offcier you will not get the training or certs the technicians or data will have, that can lead to very high paying jobs once you are out.
Enlistment is also not an end all. There are plenty of mustangs who started out enlisted, and bring their experience and knowledge with them.
>>29658600
maintenance isnt dead end, all my buddies were HVAC mechanics in the military and now they all work for a casino lol, legitimate trade to have. I was a stupid water purifier because the marines needed them so they plucked me out of combat engineer school to do it. Now I have a degree in information technology and love my career choice.
>>29658686
I meant Aircraft Maintenance, not Civil Engineering. HVAC is CE and those chucklefucks make legitimate money when they get out.
>>29658549
you mean everyday getting spit on by niggers, hated by every liberal ever and kicked in the side of the knee cap causing permanent damage? those stupid fucking pig police have it so ez
>>29658708
Aircraft maintenance is the ultimate meme-job in the military, every single one I meet thinks their gunna make 130k a year after their 5 year enlistments over.
>>29653202
>not everyone can afford to get into college
>not everyone desires too lead
>FUCK YOU YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING
1/10 I felt you should at least know I read it and felt disgust
Or you weren't baiting and then it's just irony
>>29657698
If you haven't enlisted in the grunts then do it.
Otherwise, enjoy your miserable life, I imagine mine would be much more boring without those experiences.
And if you already did that and are out, man 3 gun is all we've got
>>29658749
It's also a job with one of the lowest asvab scores too. COINCIDENCE?
People who want to make money after they get out are either in Finance or Contracting. So glad I got 6C.
>>29657698
>thinking infantry is going to be a super fun action packed life of drama, mystery and maybe alittle romance
wars over nerd you're going to clean your NCO's bathroom for 4 years while he exaggerates his patrol contacts
>>29657698
Jobs that handle actual guns are fucking horrible. The SecFo guys at my base have an extra 2 hours each day for mounting up before they stand at the gate for their normal eight. There are so many rules and regs that go into having a weapon that it's not worth it.
>>29657616
Sounds like you need to stop giving a fuck about what other people think of you and do whatever it is the fuck you WANT to do.
TL;DR: Man the fuck up.
>>29657616
I was 28, 220lbs, and awkward as fuck and I still made it through. I even did the robot marching thing sometimes into week four.
Seriously. Just turn your brain off for eight weeks. It's simple as all hell.
>>29654298
>another deployment as a Ranger.
Gonna have to back that up,bud
no one wants to enlist anymore because they see america is a lost cause. who the fuck wants to die for a bunch of honduran gangsters or mexican babies
>>29658818
FUCKING this
Dude as a 91f in the army I got to handle and fix guns but life was easy.
holy fucking hell the paperwork though at least if I did it right there was no chance of me losing a weapon unlike the dumb fucking nigger 11b.
>>29657560
you don't know what you're talking about and are trying to make yourself feel better. reconsider your life choices.
After community college if i don't make it into a university i like, id like to join airforce as a air traffic controller.
Any stories on this and how it is on a daily basis? Surely with this type of experience i can work on an airline once i get out, right?
>>29651431
I'm seriously considering to enlist.
I'm 20 and on first year of engineering. I'm not from US so I get to study on the best university in the whole country basically for free, but fuck I don't know if I'm going to make it. Shit isn't really all that hard but it's fucking boring and it's killing me.
My whole motivation is to later specialize in weaponry and have a job related to my interests, but I realized it probably won't be like I imagine it and I don't want to end up in a job I find fucking boring.
All I want to do is a job related to firearms. I know no one is going to pay me to shoot guns 24/7 unless I'm next Jerry Miculek, I'm realistic.
Gunsmithing is not really an option since I live in a country with no gun culture. So that leaves me with maybe working as a firearms instructor on a local range (I know I won't shoot guns all that often as an instructor, from my understanding it's mostly paperwork and teaching people but I'm fine with that) or enlisting. Income is not an issue for me.
I have no idea what to do, lots of things to choose from. Being an adult sucks.
>>29657625
>If not, you go to college for free w/ a high school education as a 25+ year old man who probably hasn't read a textbook in over half a decade. Let me know how that goes.
Not bad actually, got 80 of 144k education paid for, and some money to live off on the side while laying sluts. Now I work in a hospital lab and don't do jack diddly squat. Also that preferential treatment and hiring process is pretty sweet.
>>29657421
this you beta males will never know the rush of patching a brother marine's arm up while 7.62 bullets whiz overhead. you'll never go full CoD and throw him over your shoulder, shooting at the enemy with your sidearm like a huge douche.
you'll never be reprimanded and put on disciplinary for being a retard and get beaten up after leaving the base gym.
>>29657616
Army, air force and navy boot camp is fucking EASY. MUHHHREEEEENS is a little bit tougher but manageable. Just watch videos of marine drill sargeants screaming at newbys and psych yourself up. If you prepare for the worst you'll be ready for w/e.
>>29660352
thats good that you made it work for you.. 144k is brutal but I've been there and I know how it can add up at some of the pricier schools.
>>29658329
teacher's gonna be mad if you're late for middle school anon
>>29658451
Trust me as long as you're not in debt, there are so many resources to pay for college without you going broke doing it. There are a plethora of grants, scholarships, and other funds you can be a part of without being a tryhard. I'm not that smart actually, I'm not in debt, and I haven't really worked a real job in about 7 years. The money is out there, you literally just need to write an essay or two in order to earn thousands of dollars a year to pay off school.
I used to be super into the idea of taking care of your country so it could take care of you, but then I got jaded over the years. The internet really gave me open access to the level of stupidity across the country and they don't deserve it to be honest.
It's free, unlimited ammo fueled by tax payers
>>29654389
fatty is a brit
>>29657841
>exponentially growing field
kek not in america, my man. Bunch of sites shutting down because they're no longer economically feasible. A few are still being built here, but a lot more construction is happening in the UK & Asia.
>>29652157
Also a Brit reservist
Get to work a normal job and do normal things.Juggle my free time and work time doing military shit and getting extra pay for it, have a great time and treated like an adult because if the military fuck me around too much I can leave and go back to normal life.
>>29660895
Maybe when the cold war's over we can realize nuclear shit is awesome
>>29654172
probably a washout.
>>29653115
Was that a bootycamp?
>>29651431
> I blew people up.
> You watched me blow people up.
> ...now, while I sleep, fill out those AARs by 06, L.T.
Ehah....yeah, why wouldn't you?
>>29652744
Fuck yeah man, you're damn right I enlisted for the money. You sit at your desk for free? No, you do it for the money. I do this for money AND for fun. And experience I guess.
>>29651431
Too much COD
Is it easier to do ROTC than try to be an officer once you graduate?
>>29651474
>>29652744
>E-6 at 4.5 years
>GI bill
>$30,000 sign on bonus
>$1450 a month for housing only use 600 pocket the rest
>$100,000 bonus for a 2 year extension and automatic advancement to E-5
>$380 a month for food
>$350 in special allowance money
>work Monday through Friday 0800-1500
>gov paid for me to get corrective eye surgery and gave me a week off
>another $100,000 bonus coming in 2 years
stay mad fags
Not sure, enlisting was a stupid idea I would have been better off just shitposting on /k/ my entire life and watching anime
>>29652379
Are you me at age 18?
>>29667382
Whats your MOS where you're getting 100,000 bonuses every 2 years?
>>29667736
Clearly 1N8X1; Fairy Whisperer
>>29667736
MMN
they are not every two years one was at my two year point for an extension of two years onto my six year contract out to eight. and my next one will be at 6 years if I reup for another 6 for 100,000
>>29667806
you like being a nuke? im gonna meet a nuke recruiter for nupoc
>>29667830
depends how much stress can you handle I knew 8 guys that committed suicide while in school. how good are you at memorizing stuff in a way akin to trying to drink out of a fire hose?
also all officers are faggots so I am going to assume you are one.
>>29667882
8 guys? well i was a biochem major i had to memorize all the pathways and shit in the body for metabolism
i hear so much shit about power school then about life as a nuke. frankly i think i'd rather be a SWO nuke than a subnuke
>>29667911
your typical person in the program was that kid in high school that fucked around and still got A's then they come there and get their dick kicked in and a bunch of them can't handle the failure. there is no excuse for it at any point in the program school you can tap out kind of like in the seals.
school is 10-16 hours a day while your are power school with 3-4 hour tests every week . with mando study on weekends.
the only difference between subs and swo are creature comforts, pay, and respect the work environment is the same.
>>29658935
>gonna have to back up that Ranger claim
You must think it's ten years ago, when being a Ranger actually meant something.
>>29667985
subs get more pay? you were on a sub? is it like 20 hour workdays?
>>29668289
they do get sub pay which is anywhere from 150-500 extra a month depending how salty you are. I am now. technically it is 24 hour work days when you are underway.
>>29668335
but realistically how much work does one have to give a day?
>>29651431
>Why would anyone enlist?
Because I got to choose the MOS I wanted and now I get to go to college for free on the Chapter 33 GI Bill.
>>29668350
if you are looking to skate and leech you should look somewhere else. the chairforce may be more your style
>>29651431
Because not everyone wants to do admin bullshit.
I enlisted the summer after my senior year. I wanted to fight in a war and I did. Cashed in on my GI bill and I'm set to graduate this spring.
Feels pretty good man.
>>29668378
i'm obviously willing to work a bunch but fuck i just hear so much negative shit about nuke that im leery
but ive always been interested in nuke shit which is why i've been interested in it. otherwise i might just go SNA instead
how long is the commitment?
>>29668636
If you are willing to work then I don't see the issue here. what "negative shit" are you hearing
6 years for enlisted I don't know or really care about officers desu
>>29668712
tbhtbhtbhtbhtbhtbhtbhtbhtbhtbh
hmm i dunno just power school being shit and sub conditions being shit
the recruiter said stuff about being a nuke instructor but i dunno how that might be
I wanted to kill someone and save some lives
>>29652317
Lol, I didn't pay shit for my college. I learned a trade from my dad. 16 yrs later I am a master plumber who owns a business. So fuck off welfare fag.
>>29668751
of course power school is going to suck 100 cocks and you will have zero privacy on a sub also don't be a power school instructor that is gay as fuck. all I can tell you is I have been in 4.5 years and I have lived in 4 different states, owned an $80,000 car at 23 bought 14k of guns last month, been to 5 different countries, fucked all kind of pussy and made awesome friends that I would kill for all while getting paid. but at the end of the day it is your choice to nut up or fuck off somewhere else.
>>29668759
oh man I didn't realize there was a shit pipe master in the thread excuse me sir can I have your autograph
>>29668945
Hell yeah. I don't do jack shit most of the day but boss ppl around, still get to charge 120 an hour.
For fun. It's the most you'll NEVER want to have again.
Plus you sometimes meet friends for life, that is if they don't die from suicide or accidents.
I joined the Navy cause I'm from bumfuck Arkansas and it was the easiest way out and get away from that environment
>>29660048
there are a lot of people who're working in ATC as ex-mil. not ATC myself but i talk to them daily/worked with them last summer. it's stressful and graduating tech school is just the first step. gotta work hard to get qualified, then your 5 level so you're not a useless POS and you can be a watch supe.
>>29667911
SWO nukes are super rare, you're not really a nuke and not really a SWO so you're kinda terrible at both, and you top out at O-6. last two CNO's had dolphins
on the other hand you're not on a sub.
>>29651474
I never understood this argument. At least they're providing a necessary service to society and working
>>29668636
GO DO AVIATION JESUS CHRIST REALLY IS THAT A REAL QUESTION OH MY GOD YOU'RE A FUCKING RETARD GO FLY JETS ON THE GOVERNMENT'S DIME I FLEW A MOUNTAIN LOW LEVEL THAT THE TAXPAYERS PAID FOR TODAY WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU WANT TO BE UNDER THE WATER WE LIKE EACH OTHER AT THE END OF THE DAY GO FLY YOUNG ONE GO FLY
>>29669192
i'd only hit it and quit it to be quite tbqh or try to lateral to IW or something not be a lifer. or maybe do a few years then get my med degree then come back as those navy surgeon dudes.
is it really that rare? that sucks
>>29668913
did you buy a tesla? thats pretty queer. i gotta learn more about this shit tomorrow when i talk to the nukeduke he said theres like 4 different fields i could go into
>>29669214
i gotta retest and do better in my aviation scores. i think i'd go nfo i dunno if i like being at the hands of a pilot though who might crash on us but at least its only 8 years and not 10. you fly? neat whats your day like?
i think i'd pick the super bug or maybe the orion i dunno
>>29669261
no it was a C7 Z06 corvette
>>29651431
You wish to contribute to, and protect the society which makes your quality of life possible?
>>29669261
yeah i did a NUPOC thing at the end of grad school where they tried to convince me to do sub officer. there's a lot that's neat about it, but there's also a lot that's terrible. from talking to people, there's almost no chance to lateral transfer once Reactors has their talons in you.
also my day was
>show up to work at 0830
>chill and study
>1030 NVG lab, super dope but also super SA-draining
>1200 do some casual mission planning
>1330 rally for tonight's low level
>1345 MISSION PLAN MY FACE OFF. ROLL TO BACKUP BACKUP PLAN. HEY EVERYBODY WRITE IN ALL THIS NEW STUFF BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GO OVER IT BECAUSE IT'S MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS AND I SUCK
>1730 take off and go rage
>1945 land, high five my bros that i didn't puke, get ready for debrief
>2130 done debriefing, shitpost on /k/, facetime the girlfriend, put off making dinner
>>29669339
whats your platform? how long have you been doing it? how was flightschool? do you do shit in foreign countries or just train for now?
>>29669414
a fighter. flying in general about 3 years. flight school was alternately incredibly stressful and incredibly fun. training for now.
>>29651431
For me, at first it was about serving my country. Then I realized, I just wanted to play with guns and hang out with likeminded people.
Free college was just a bonus.
>>29669425
the superbug? thats pretty cool do they still do that TOPGUN school?
you did SERE and everything as well right?
>>29669450
a fighter. and yes, TOPGUN is still around.
SERE was the best 3 weeks i never want to do again.
>>29669467
SERE looks kickass but like you said something you wouldnt want to do again
you did the Gforce thing too? land on a carrier?
i wish i could just be told what i shoudl do and what i'd enjoy
>>29669491
i have not landed on a carrier. but you pull G's. the G-strain is second nature at this point. it's rather amazing to think about how quickly it becomes that way.
>>29651431
muh GI bill and to fuck sludgy high mileage puss.
>>29658749
Former hydro troop here. Wasn't my first job, and I wish to God it had not been my last. Hated every minute of it - granted, if you went from the north to Louisiana and got plopped down on a tarmack with some glorified flying cigars, you'd hate it too.
Also, most certainly don't make 130K per year. That's a damn lie and if anyone honestly believes it they are a moron or have ungodly luck getting what they want.
>>29669510
fucking neat
thanks for answering these questions gave me a lot to think about, think ill tell the army dude to fuck off and just try for NFO. do you have to do crew work like the dudes who help you land and shit on carriers if youre an NFO/aviator? thats what im interested as well frankly just as much if not more than flying
>>29669615
from what i understand, LSO is an upgrade. you have to be an aviator or a NFO to do it.
