War stories thread?
War stories thread.
>Driving down the Gardez highway in Afghanistan
>on our way back to our FOB we passed a mountain town on this overlook by the highway
>A small girl was playing by the edge, waving to us as we drove past
>Her grandfather saw, picked up a shovel, hit her three times with it before we could scramble up the side of the overlook to stop him
>He broke her arm, and caved in her face with the spade
>When we arrived, we found out he had done so because she was waving to us
>I held the little girls hand - or rather, she held my index finger
>I let her hold me as she died, staring bewildered into my eyes
>to this day I still hear her breaths coming slower and slower
>still haunts me throughout the day and night.
>>29643646
>shit that didnt happen
>Spend all night drinking Fantas topped off with whiskey.
>Oh god, oh jesus my poos smell awful.
>Fall asleep.
>Knock on door in the morning.
>"Der's an IED outside da gate."
>Drunkenly mumble around and get robot working, toss it out the door.
>Hung over, drinking water and driving robot at same time.
>Pull IED apart.
>Gets verified as pullen apart
>Walk down to collect pieces.
>Oh god, who set the sun so bright.
>Smell like sweaty booze
>Collect shit up and go back inside.
>Go to sleep off hangover in hammock.
>Mortar fire starts hitting outpost.
>Put my helmet over my nuts and stay in hammock
>still haunts me throughout the day and night.
>iraq 2005
>taji 3rd ID Avn brigade
>every other week I have to load broken IT and comms equipment onto a helicopter and take it to the tobyhana depot at balad.
>fly over in the morning. borrow a hmmwv from a friend from AIT, that is at balad. drive to the depot site. drop off the broken stuff.
>8-10 hours before my flight back to taji
>visit with AIT/Bragg friends at Balad.
>swim in the pool. use the internet. play video games.
>oh but wait there is more. female soldier I know from ait is thee. she works night shift and is all alone in her trailer room during the day.
>go to visit her a few times and violate some general orders for iraq
>time to go back. go get the fixed stuff and get it on the choppa.
>fly back to taji.
>unload fixed stuff at the office and go home.
>next morning. always remind my shop how much of a pain in the ass it is to do this by my self.
>did this every other week for 8 months.
>>29643646
Iraq 04
>Sneak over to smoking hot Terps hooch
>Bang the fuck out of her
>Mortor rounds start hitting
>Cum to explosions
>Woops nutted inside her with no rubber
>attack stops. Everyone needs to report for accountability
>I am now trapped in her room because Iraq is a no sex deployment.
>fuck general order one
>Finally its all clear, sneak back to my hooch
>My SGT is waiting for me like he is my dad
>Says "just wanted to make sure you got back. I asked around for where you were and got 50 different locations. Im tired of being lied to tonight. Goodnight."
>go to bed confused as fuck
>>29643646
Damn op made me tear up.
>Get stationed to Egypt
>Get combat duty pay (kek)
>Have all night party with invited multinational chicks.
>Make out with Australian chick.
>Watch my CO get in a vodka drinking contest
>Watch him win and then attempt to ride a bicycle back to his hooch.
>Watch him faceplant in some bushes.
>Have some Baileys out of a shoe and then decide our Humvee needs camo.
>still haunts me throughout the day and night.
>get deployed
>shoot some guy
>he dies and becomes a ghost
>haunts me throughout the day and night
>>29643646
>enlist in USPS
>deployed to Northern Orlando 03
>get a flat tire one time next to a pallet factory
>look over to battle buddy and ask him where the spare is
>"I wouldn't worry about it"
>drive a steak through his heart
>turns out he's an umpire
>never even got to hit a home run
>still haunts me throughout the day and night.
>walk to store
>buy skittles
>walk outside
>get shot buy a peckerwood cause Im of african American decent
>die
>forever mocked by racist on 4chan
>>29643808
my first squad leader was in Sinai during the 90s.
>living in tents with no AC.
>T rats every day every meal
>other side of the base is the air force
>air conditioned tents
>real mess hall with real food
>he tries to walk in the mess hall.
>some air force NCO tries to stop him from entering
>my squad leader tells him that the mess hall is us military and nothing can keep him, or the hundreds of soldiers on the other side of the airfield out. so either let him in or have to let in hundreds of soldiers.
>he starts going over to the air force mess hall in secret for one meal a day. never tells anyone else
>>29643939
Rough.
I assume the Al Alresh camp up near the border? That place is kind of boring, but built up now at least.
The Sharm El-Shiek base is fucking GOAT. It's built right outside the tourist town. We used to (I'm sure people can't anymore because ISIS lol) go out every weekend to party on the town, scuba dive, and generally party. We could even stay out over night with waivers.
This place was like Cancun for Russians and Euros.
Got some decent ones from OEF 13-14 RC South, Southwest and West
>>29643646
Inna camp lemonnier djibouti, summer 2014
>sitting outside shitter hut smoking cigarette
>shit drains into pit in the ground
>shitter trucks come by daily to drain the poo outta the loo
>shitter truck drives up, djiboutian nationals get out of truck
>they smell of jenkem 100% of the time
>skinny, always a crazed half grin on their faces
>djiboutian #1 gets out of poo truck, we'll call him ockbock
>ockbock takes poo hose from back of truck
>connects poo hose to truck
>inserts other end of hose into poo pit
>the smell of raw human sewage, diesel fumes, and jenkem is palpable at this point
>ockbock turns on the suction mechanism
>and then it happens
>hose disconnected from poo truck
>poomaggedon has begun
>shit is spraying everywhere, its on ockbock, it's all over the ground, its spraying onto the side of the dookie hut
>its like im really in india
>i have stopped smoking at this point
>i can only watch the fecal circus unfold in front of me
>ockbock is screaming at his coworker in somali
>finally the suction mechanism is turned off
>ockbock gazes upon the destruction he has wrought
>goes into cab of truck
>gets rag
>sheepishly walks over to side of shitter hut, now covered in errant feces
>begins smearing the poop all over, whilst maintaining his half crazed grin
>this is better than cable
>finally ockbock gets back in the truck, and they drive off, leaving the horror behind
Best time of my life.
>>29644016
The fuck kind of shit truck has the suction mechanism somehow attached to the hose so that if the hose detaches from the truck the hose is still sucking?
>>29644045
THE AFRICAN KIND, WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK
>shoot law at mud hut
>makes it like 10m before the door
>almost cuts up at 90 degrees
To this day I have no idea wtf happened. Or where it landed.
>>29644125
Got another one
>about to leave on patrol
>stomach gods foretell my demise
>run to only porta shitter open
>its a godamn haji version
>tfw full kit as mk48 gunner
>no time to drop kit and squat over this thing
>sit bare ass on the squat hole
I used an entire bottle of hand sanitizer on my ass checks afterwards.
>>29643924
>drive a steak through his heart
My grandfather was in the airforce as a chief mechanic on a base in California. He moved up in the ranks and was generally liked by his commanders for being a good worker as well as skilled. Never had an aircraft sustain preventable mechanical failure that he worked on.
He's got tons of stories, I really need to write them all down, but this particular one he ended up riding on a DDG back in the 70s for a temporary deployment to a different base. They were going to dock parallel to the base but as they were doing the maneuver the wind changed and the ship didn't turn, so they ended up smashing straight into to dockyard and shearing two of the three protective crossties covering the base's fuel line before the ship finally stopped moving.
He was outside of the ship at the time with an Englishman, who suddenly just grabbed him and yelled to not let go of the railing. He said he thought the ship was exploding it was shaking so bad.
He dined with the officers that night, said it was the quietest meal he ever sat through. Somehow the ship was actually still seaworthy no less, but it stayed in port for a month anyways and they had people checking and double checking and triple checking the hull and pretty much all of the systems.
>taji iraq 2005
>3rd ID avn bridgade.
>when i'm not taking stuff to Balad and being a man whore. I'm in the Bn TOC.
>watching UAV and Kiowa live feed on the screens.
>we've spotted a an ambush being set up behind a gas station. there is a convoy coming up the road to the ambush.
>ask the convoy and their TOC if they want us to murder shit with apaches
>they say they got it.
>they slow the convoy down but let one of their abrams speed up and go way ahead.
>abrams approaching gas station
>turns turret 180 degrees and then drives straight through the damn building and over the hadjis.
>some how some of the hadjis survived being run over and get up.
>you dungoofed.png
>tank commander has his M2 trained on them.
>hadji hands up but then one of them half way tries to grab a rifle on the ground
>dakkadakkadakkadakkadakkka
>no more hadjis
>another time in the TOC
>VBIED alert for a blue hyundai van truck
>half of the vehicles in the baghdad area at the time, appeared to be blue hyundai van trucks.
>helicopters tracking every single one they can.
>following one at night and watching thermal camera live stream
>truck has two people in it and it pulls behind a building in an empty part of town
>they get out and get into the back of the truck
>one of them lays down and the other sits on the first Cowgirl.
>second person starts bobbing up and down ont he first
>kiowa pilot is all like "oh yeah, this shit is hot" over the radio. Every TOC in Iraq, someone in Kuwait, and probably some people in the states just say live feed of iraqis fucking.
>>29643808
Such is life at South camp!
>Be inna Siani 2012
>Go snorkeling everyday, nearly drown myself, nearly Steve Erwin myself fycking with a purple stingray
>Get drunk as fuck every night because PTSD from Iraq 2008
>Between the snorkeling, drinking and working out I spend a year there surrounded by people but totally alone.
>If it wasnt for my wife on skype I would have eaten a three round burst.
>Im not even joking. Iraq 08 was rough.
>doing combat support missions with the 11bangs and Cav.
>took a while to earn their respect because Pog
>16Hr foot patrols and holding my own when shit went down got me on good terms
>Make friends with this guy.
>"Oh shit Sarge you dont know about Starship troopers 2 and 3? After mission come by the platoon area and we can watch them."
>Mission starts. Ten min later I have enough time to register that something is wrong.
>IED
>EFP
>It entered the back of my buddies head in the truck in front of mine.
>Saw his brains spilling on the ground
>casevac him
>For some reason we are all still thinkinghe will be okay
>pick up his helmet. Whats this red liquid in it?
>Pour it out. Realize its blood. Realize we wont be watching starship troopers 2&3
>Thats why the Siani was rough. Because I still havent left Iraq 08 yet
>>29643703
It was probably just a drunken fervor dream
>>29644407
*fever
>2015
>Be Lithuanian
>Small green men cross the border
>WW3 starts
>no food
>half country is occupied
>army is gone
>start eating dead Little green men
>they start to get scared of civilians
>half of country is dead
>most cities are bombed to shit
>check the clock
>its only been 10 minutes
>>29644282
more stories from taji
>running cable between all the trailers so soldiers can watch AFN.
>attempting to bury the cable to keep everything neat looking.
>digging isn't too hard in the baked iraqi dust with pick axes.
>find uxo. stop. call EOD lose a day of progress as they dig it out and carry it away to be detonated away from the buildings.
>repeat 5 more times.
>give up on buried cable and just staple gun it to the tops of trailers
>walking with first sgt as he inspects the cable installation.
>hear what sounds like people fighting in a trailer
>door was unlocked
>two soldiers from the maintenance company engage in homosexual anal sex.
>the guy catching blurts out "uh, i'm being raped. "
>first sgt just closes the door and keeps walking.
>nothing ever came of the incident.
>psyops convinces some insurgents that we have a device that jams RPG fuse
>insurgents start messing with the fuses or removing the explosives.
>nothing but dud RPGs fired at convoys in one area for a month.
>insurgents outside Taji removing warheads from rockets to use in IEDs.
>still shoot rockets at base anyways.
>soldiers in BN reporting rockets landing in the trailers and not exploding.
>some rockets just hit the gravel and bury them selves.
>some skid down between trailers for 10s of yards.
>some found inside trailer rooms or sticking through walls.
>>29643931
This is a nigger free zone
>>29643766
Just tell him you were getting your dick wet. 99% of the time you'll get "oh ok, carry on" and go about your life.
>>29644045
It's called syphoning, I used to do it with fishtanks weekly. You apply the succ to a tube and let off, causing a flow. I can only imagine the force it'd spew shit out being mechanically suck started
I can share a story from my great grandfather from germany when he was on the SS back in the day
>It was july 27,1943
>After fighting through russians for most of the day with his other equals on the tank
>eventually they all stop at a town that seemed to be nearly untouched by war
>thinking that it was strange to see such a sight they investigate
>after sweeping house to church and so on they return to the rest of the squad with the few that investigated
>with a troubled face my great grand father was the one whom had to share their findings
>everyone in the town was dead, women, children, men, dogs, cats everything was either hung or stranged to death by each other
>they didnt want anything to have to die by the hand of germans
After that day nothing was the same to him.
Not a combat vet but I was with combat vets all the time in my last deployment, heard some salty shit if anyone is interested.
>Fallujah vet 0331
>Doc turned Sergeant, 3 pumps to Afghan
>Fallujah Vet AAV crewman
>Ramadi vet 0311
Shit was heavy
Kept in touch with all of them, I kinda want to write a book about their experiences one day.
>>29646451
Let's hear it
>>29646451
First one I heard on my wonderful booze cruise to the magical middle east
>be 0331 in fallujah, we'll call him Rooster.
>he has to cover some ricky ticky recon guys, posts up in a two story building with his A gunner and boot ammo carrier
>night time falls and recon guys aren't back yet, waiting on them to start a sleep plan.
>he and the A Gunner cover the front of the building, ammo carrier watching the back, if they turn around they can see each other
>starting to get late when Rooster hears some grunting and rustling, turns to see the ammo carrier lying on the floor
>absent mindedly, he takes his M240 and bolts inside leaving his A Gunner to keep watch
>Ammo Carrier must've nodded off, got his throat slit and bled out, kid was only 19 years old
>he hears footsteps and hushed talking coming from upstairs
>he makes his way carefully up the stairs, grabbing the 240 by the bipod
>2nd floor is divided by a single wall right in the middle, he hears the Muj walking around from the other side
>angry and out for blood over the death of his boot, he takes a knee and squirts about 40-50 rounds through the wall
>can't hear any bodies hitting the floor since the burst left of nearly deaf, he has to make sure they're dead
>goes up to the door, sees a dead Muj on the floor, he peeks around the corner with his 240
>theres a Muj slumped against the wall staring right at him, he grabs the barrel and Rooster immediately grabs his hand so he can't let go
>as you guys may know, 50 shots in like 10 seconds=hot barrel
>Muj starts to scream and holler, Rooster can hear his skin begin to bubble as he tries to line up his barrel to his face
>finally muscles it against the Muj's face and lets the 240 rip, blows the fuckers head right off
He told me this story after saying how he hated watching boots burn themseves with a hot barrel as a Combat Instructor
>>29643931
i donated a paycheck to bernie for your troubles senpai
>>29646626
Rambofirstbloodpart2.jpeg
imported from /tg/
>>29646887
women are for procreation, boys are for loving.
>>29646927
such is pashtun life
>>29644311
>>Pour it out. Realize its blood. Realize we wont be watching starship troopers 2&3
omg..
>>29643646
So shit that never happened/ stolen valor thread?
>>29643703
Confirmed for has served
>>29646626
100% grade AAA Bullshit
>>29647106
Nobody cares you faggot
Here's another
>be 0311, we'll call him Marky Marks
>get sent to Ramadi after the big rodeo in '03, part of the whole hearts and minds deal
>base is shaped like an Isosceles triangle, one side faces the residential area and one side faces like a commercial area of some sort
>for a while things are going well, they bring in these Euro doctors and teachers to help the Iraqi doctors and educators
>Army engies help rebuild the infrastructure
>Marky Marks has morning post facing the commercial area, everydah he sees the same thing
>little haji lady walks put with a chicken, kills the thing and plucks the feathers put before waddling away
>one month into the whole nation building thing he notices something REALLY out of place
>after the littlw haji lady prepares breakfast, he spots a woman walking into what he thinks is a college
>says she wore a flowing red dress, looking through the binos he realizes shes easily a 10/10
>not deployment goggles 10/10, like back home 10/10, literally thought the heat and Rip-Its were finally getting to him
>calls his buddies to check it out, they confirm that they see the Red Dress Woman too
>this goes on for another month and a half, Ramadi looks like its finally back on its feet, he watches mesmerized as the Red Dress Woman makes her walk every time hes on post
>then, some Mullah from Baghdad shows up and declares jihad against the Americans over a minaret
>entire city blows up, as if the entire male population decided to shoot at Americans
>heavy fighting ensues but thats another story in itself
>months later after the insurgency in Ramadi is somewhat quelled, Marky Marks is back on th FOB waiting to get rotated out
>stands at his old post, feeling tired and older inside
>he peers through his binos to the commercial area, its been destroyed, all the buildings are empty or in ruins
>the building where the Red Woman used to walk out of has been completely destroyed, the area has become a ghost town
>>29647313
Cont'd
>he watches from his post for the remainder of his time there, just hoping that he might see the Red Dres Woman
>goes as far to ask around if anyone saw a woman in a red dress while they were in the city, turns ip with nothing
>mfw he tells me that he still thinks about her and what could've happened to her even after 10 years
>inna Afghanistan
>kill a dude
>still haunts me throughout the day and night
>>29644311
More from Iraq and Siani
>Drinking alone as usual at the American Bar on South Camp Siani
>Watching the pullout of Iraq, getting wasted
>Memories are hitting me hard, catching feels
>Ive spent my entire adult life either getting ready for a deployment to Iraq or in Iraq, and now Im seeing us bail.
>Young super stud LT asks me why I look like Im about to explode
>I point at the screen and go on a rant.
>The IEDs
>the dead baby shoved in my face
>The guys with exploding pants
>Being used as bait for suicide bombers
>unloading a MK19 point blank at a truck and being thankful the rounds didnt arm at that range
>Mortor rounds
>My dead Iraqi friends
>Dead Starship Trooper bro
>End with "and it was all for what? So we could just walk away? The job isnt done! They fucking betrayed us!"
>LT tries to say something but it comes out "umm y-yeah...I see how that means a lot to you..."
>>29649124
I was okay for awhile after that. Then ISIS got big. I was helping hunt for Al-Baghdadi in 08 when ISIS was still AQI. Even when I was state side I was doing things to try to get him and the other assholes.
>I never left Iraq
>When I close my eyes I am still there
>I can feel the hot wind hitting my face
>The rumble of the humvee
>My boots clump along in splashing sand
>My hands search for my rifle constantly
>It feels like a part of me is missing.
>>29643924
Where you at orlando nigga
>Get sent to Guatemala to look for politicians
>Find U.S. Soldiers skinned, hanging from trees
>Find jungle base and politicians dead
> Squad lays waste to whole base, buddy who looks like pro wrestler with minigun is fucking shit up.
> Minigun bro gets killed by unseen enemy
>Spray rounds/grenades into jungle for next 5 minutes
Continue?
>>29646626
A guy getting his throat slit in any way feasible in any form of armed conflict since WW2 mayyyyybeeee
Nah that's bullshit mate
>>29649287
Holy shit intense dude. Did you ever think about getting into Californian polotics?
>>29644311
What, if you don't mind me asking, was so bad about 08?
Speak in as general terms as you have to
>>29649189
OIF/OEF. I spend time with my family daily, and I still think of afghanistan in my spare time. Its been six years.
I miss the noise rocks makes under boot.
>>29643867
>Be deployed
>some guy shoot me
>I die
>fuck it
>become a ghost and haunt him, even when he is shitposting on a Tibetan cave-painting website.
>>29643808
>drinking Bailey's out of a shoe
go and volunteer to the kurdish forces fighting isis they are kicking ass
>>29649571
Arent those guys afraid to insult locals with such pictures?
>>29649427
MANGINA!!!
>>29649189
>>29649576
>>29649124
no idea i was trying to cheer this guy up with iraq pstd
>>29649340
See >>29649287 and
>>29644311
>>29649571
Lol
>>29649628
It worked.
Thanks but I domt really need the cheer. This thread just got me thinking. Yeah seeing Starshiptrooper die fucks with me still, but I loved being at war. I still talk to my buddy from there, we rehash old stories endlessly.
The hard part is wondering if there will be another war. In real life, when I tell stories about making a guy blow himself up prematurely and I laugh, people give me looks that let me know they dont see the humor in it.
I think about Iraq like most guys would feel about "the one that got away" or Chasing Amy. It was rough, it was hard, there were times I wanted to die....but god damn it was the some of best times of my life. Its up there with my son being born and getting married.
>>29644282
There's a similar video on youtube of an OH58 observing a couple having sex in a convertible, it's fucking hilarious.
>>29645469
that only works if the exit end of the hose is lower than the sucking end of the hose
>>29643646
Pretty certain i've heard this one before.
>>29644593
>uh, i'm being raped
I'm dying
>Go to Normandy
>Kill a dude
>Go to Seoul
>Killed another one
>Go to Hanoi
>And another one
>Afghanistan and Iraq
>A few others
I should really choose better vacation spots
>>29643659
>Civiian detected.
I've seen a man lay out a 5-year-old boy cold by punching his face for waving at western soldiers in Afghanistan. I believe OP. Afghans are animals.
Do yourself a favour: google "bashar bazi"
>>29646228
I guarantee that went down in the history books as a German massacre.
>being blamed for shit you didn't even do.
the feels mane....
>>29646228
got one better for you, anon.
>>29650161
>punch becomes kill
>the same bullshit story being passed around by retards trying to justify their pointless lives
>>29650667
Do you have any idea how cheaply a woman's life is held in islamic countries?
>>29650682
life is cheap in general in the third world. what's your point?
also the hilarity of invading soldiers being outraged when the occupied people discipline their children for being friendly to the enemy. the real animals are the soldiers and their mindless supporters.
>>29643646
>sleep in tent
>carve beautiful hand crafted cocks out of wood
>shoot mortar
such was life in fdf
>>29650702
You are equating my experience (the child being knocked out) with that of OP (the child being killed). Given that my nation did not operate in the US areas of Afghanistan, his tale is quite likely.
Don't be reddit and assume that similarity means it is the same event.
>>29644311
you got lucky, starship troopers 2&3 sucks
>>29650763
On the contrary, you are the one equating the two by saying you believe OP's bullshit story because of the similar "motivation".
And of course the motivation is fully justified, the leap to child murder being the desperate justifications of someone trying to figure out what the fuck they are doing in Afghanistan to begin with.
>>29649220
Winter park dawg
>>29650803
>someone trying to figure out what the fuck they are doing in Afghanistan to begin with.
Earning $2500 a week tax-free by helping kill stone-age people who think raping young boys is "A-OK".
How do you justify shitposting to anonymous people on a Tibetan mandala board?
>>29643646
Please tell me he got fucked. Please tell me the CO blessed of on AT LEAST an arrest. Fuck man Cmon don't leave it at that.
>>29646228
bullshit
>>29650849
Bacha bazi is considered a luxury and status symbol and the US government is far more likely to try to bribe and co-opt the individuals engaging in it rather than kill them, in the depraved notion of "nation building".
The US military is literally enabling child rape.
>>29650896
And the soldiers find it disgusting and generally try to stamp it out despite the US government turning a blind eye to the practice and often punishing said soldiers.
Or do you think every soldier is a faceless drone that obeys every order?
>>29650908
>muh bennies
>muh pension
Most of them are dumb drones. Many are psychopaths. The tiny handful of soldiers with morality who rebel are punished accordingly.
>>29650925
You're on the wrong site, as well as speaking to the wrong country.
>>>/tumblr/
>>29650931
>can't deal with the facts
>believe any bullshit story because it fits the neat good vs evil story propagated by Pentagon shrinks
Hell, Chris Kyle actually thought he found WMD's in Iraq. Soldiers are dumb, gullible animals.
>>29643741
>Get paid to fix broken IT crap, shoot evil sand people, blow stuff up, and bang chicks on the weekend.
There are times I question my career path, this is one of them.
>>29650943
> believing OP due to personal experience, as well as the experiences of colleagues from several rotations
>get told I am falling for Pentagon propaganda by an anon on a Korean woodcarving board
I guess you're going to claim that the propensity of Afghans to have sex with farm animals is "pentagon propaganda" also? Or that a friend of mine didn't see a girl of just 15 years of age offered in marriage to a 50+ year old man if he had had US$100?
>>29650995
>child marriage for money has been going on for centuries in that area of the world
>bestiality happens everywhere, including the US
No, Pentagon propaganda is directed at you, not the Afghans.
>>29644593
>"uh, i'm being raped. "
>>29649726
How does military look into people trying to join with depression? Military stuff is one thing left that I still like, and I'm thinking in joining it, because what I'm currently doing is just lurking 4chan and playing arma. If I keep doing this, I won't go far in life imo
>>29643808
what humvee?
>>29651019
Yeah, the Pentagon obviously staged two Afghans raping a donkey to propagandise me, it couldnt have just been that its a fucked-up place.
>bestiality happens everywhere, including the US
Yes, but in no other place on Earth is it considered "normal" by the locals. Yet it is in Afghanistan.
I guess that's the Pentagon's doing too?
>>29644593
>"uh, i'm being raped. "
kek
>the entire last section about warheadless rockets all over the base
>>29649427
I'm old Gregg!
>>29649287
kekd
>>29651019
>>child marriage for money has been going on for centuries in that area of the world
>this makes it totally okay you western-centred shitlord!
How about no.
>>29651019
>No, Pentagon propaganda is directed at you
>>29644311
He sacrificed himself so you wouldn't have to watch those shitty movies. He did a great service.
>>29650943
There is and will always be a military, guys who enlist and keep enlisting are the ones who make sure a draft or conscription won't make a comeback. So whenever I see a poor bastard going through the suck in the military, I thank them not because he defending my freedom or whatever, I thank him because he pretty much took one for the team by enlisting and for watching other enlisted Americans back in whatever foolhardy military adventure the government forces them to go through.
Check your Civilian Privilage shitlord
>>29650802
Starship troopers 2 was one of the only R rated movies on early comcast with titties in it.
I was 12 years old at the time.
Long story short i've seen portions of that movie probably 200 times
There I was, knee deep in 240 brass and hand grenade pins. The insurgents were all around me and closing in fast. The situation was dire and tense. What could I do? All I had left was my broken Ontario POS M9 and a shrapnel wound. Was I scared? You bet your ass I was scared. I was scared one might get away.
>be dad
>Eagle Driver during cold war era
>doing war games with RAF
>has to escort a "bomber" to the target
>"bomber" is a rickity Harrier that just had it's engine put back together not a few hours prior
>Pilot of said Harrier is RAF with 2 Kills
>Dad thinks everythink will be okay
>everything is not okay
>takeoff almost involves everyone crashing because Harrier was too close in formation
>dad finally gets into engagement area
>he and wingman are after their intercepts
>tells harrier to head to target
>harrier does not
>all dad hears over comms is "TALLY HO!" from the harrier
They did win the engagement though.
>still dad and driving Eagle
>innaSaudi
>desert storm
>patrolin the desert by Iran border
>MiG29 outta nowhere
>Dad persues
>MiG was able to get into Iran before dad got a tone
>>29650227
No, no, it really probably not. Germans had a tight record of things that went down. You can be sure that any war crimes of that scale that went down got pinned on the right side.
Plus his story is not believable. It's not something Russians would do. It did happen later in the war, but it was Germans killing themselves as they believed a life without the third reich in power wouldn't be worth living.
>>29653665
this part?
http://xhamster com/movies/440285/kelly_carlson_starship_troopers_2_01.html
>>29654015
T. Carl
>>29644217
Why do they even have Haji versions? Can they not into glorious toilet seat?
>>29655160
shitskins are shitskins.
I have some others from my brother if you /k/unts want to hear them.
Dude in my unit was a huge homo-furry. He put a buttplug foxtail on the back of his truck.
Not really a story, but it was a thing.
>oef 2012
>be air force intel analyst
>live in air conditioned building with bathroom
>go to work everyday in air conditioned building in secure and safe compound on base
>work in front of computer in comfortable chair
>be issued m9 because "you'll be in a small building at work so we don't wanna give you a rifle"
>inclement weather means our bird doesn't fly, fuck around during shift on these days
>get gym breaks during work
>get hazard duty and enemy fire pay
Such is the life of an AF intel analyst
>>29643766
>go to bed confused as fuck
Kek
>>29650925
>Most of them are psycos
This is true. But we are psycos that hate child rapists. The US Gov tries to turn a blind eye to the child rape by saying "its their culture" the US Soldier kills the fuckers where they can. We are not drones.
>>29655838
some fuckers luck out.
good for you, desu senpai
>>29655862
>Be me
>Be in the 130th death platoon
>Inserted into beautiful Afghan village
>Smiling young children run up to us and greet us with presents
>Shoot the lead child in the face
>Round up everyone else in the village
>Seperate the males and females
>Kill all the males, reloading hundreds of clips filled with explosive rounds into my M16 death rifle.
>Drink the blood of the dead and then use some of it as lube to rape the females
>Kill the females after finishing with them
>Loot all the wonderful treasures these Afghan villagers had
>Barbeque the remains of the villagers
>After eating dinner we burn the village down
>Do this day after day until we've killed thousands of Afgan civillians
>Mfw I only got a commendation for all this hard work
>Mfw Lt. Donkers got a MOH, probably because he's the son of a colonel.
Fucking nepotism
>>29651078
Im the guy you replied to.
So long as you are not on meds they wont detect anything.
Best peice of advice I can give you is to pick an MOS that you think you will like, not one that will teach you a trade just to learn a trade.
Like tanks? Be a tanker
Like sleeping inna woods and being cold or hot? Infantry
Like sneaking around and off roading? Cav scout
Like being alone inna woods? Forward observer
Hate airplanes? Air defense
I LOVE fucking with people. I finally found PSYOP and I love it too.
See the pattern?
But when you go in. Go ALL IN! My first term I kept looking back at my stoner friends and I missed out on SF and a lot of cools shit.
>>29655838
You motherfucker!
>Coming home from Iraq 04
>wait at TQ for 8 days, inna airplan hanger
>No shower, over 9000 degrees only eating MREs
>Airplane comes to land, sand storm.
>airplane comes to land again, Mortars.
>airplane comes to land, rocket hits ammo dump, fouth of july in August
>finally catch a flight out, get stuck in Qutar at Airforce base along the way.
>can now drink beer and wear civis
>Buy civis, sit at smoke station smoking.
>Zoomies come. Bitch about how much their base sucks. All agree to go to the pool.
>I comment "aint war hell?"
>fuck yeah man! This place is rough.
>mfw (my actual face when)
>>29655933
>the US Soldier kills the fuckers where they can
ahahahahahahahaha
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/0f152eaad8134c5295da85988e7ff296/critics-soldier-punished-after-interfering-child-assault
>>29651430
>implying
Not only is the US military not doing anything to stop child rape, the US military is demonstrably encouraging child rape because their CI strategy consists of solely of bribing people. And with child rape being the domain of the wealthy and powerful, know that the US soldier is lending a very helpful hand to the rapist class.
>>29656155
>>29649726
>>29649189
>>29649124
>>29644311
>>29643766
These are all me.
>Iraq 08
>BFF is my trusty gunner and Psychological Operations Specialist (POS lol) Mark
>He is in turret, while I command the truck and dismount on missions when needed....or we just hitch a ride with the Strykers
>he says from the gun "I think I see some guys loading up a VBIED" like its some norma thing.
>Well if you think its a VBIED smoke them!
>"Im not su....re"
>BUBUBUBUBUBUBUB
>BOOOOOOM
>"Huh...I guess it was a VBIED"
>When I look the VBIED is a good 800meters away.
>the grunts are yelling "wtf did you do PSYOP???"
>Took out a VBIED apparently
>"Nu uh...no way"
>The patrol drives on over to smoke cloud.
>Looks like it might have been a car. No one around.
>Check out whats left of the abandoned building next to it,
>AKs, IED supplies and a fuck ton of shit S-2 would later want, packed up like they were about to bail.
Mark has super vision or some shit. He ID'd these guys getting ready to attck us from well beyond what they thought we could see. He says there were four loading up "bomb looking things." And a driver. He aimed for the car and it exploded. Shit like this is why he is still mu bff
>>29649307
I bet its rare but I guarantee shit happens like that in clusterfucks like Fallujah.
Had a buddy of mine who came back from Fallujah with a story about killing some hadji with a knife. We had a late night drinking and shooting the shit and someone was playing with some bigass knife they were throwing at a board. Completely out of nowhere the guy gets some dead fucking eyes and starts off on his story.
They were walking down some street and some fucker with an AK bent out of a window directly above him in the middle of his squad. He grabbed the front of the gun/guy's arm and yanked him halfway out of the window. He wrestled his own knife out of his chestrig and jammed it up underneath the hadji's chin. Then went right back to talking about paintball or whammer 40k like nothing had happened.
Dude was a stone cold psychopath, something about how he told it convinced me completely.
Another less crazy friend of mine had some durka bust out of a closet with a pistol and knife and almost kill him while they were clearing houses in some town. His plate carrier took two pistol rounds and he was wrestling with the knife arm on the ground before his battle buddy managed to turn around and smash the fuck out of the hadji with the butt of his M249.
>>29649726
>The hard part is wondering if there will be another war.
It's about as certain as sunrise. I enlisted in 79, when there were still a ton of Vietnam vets on AD. I retired in 99, when we were just starting to become aware of what might be in store for us. Between SEA and GWOT we had Grenada, Panama, and Desert Storm, plus a bunch of "interventions" and the like.
The VA will get counselling for you, if you really want. Or, you can walk into a VFW hall, find the Vietnam combat vet, and buy him a beer. He'll get the next one. And you'll learn some coping mechanisms, without getting your name on a list.
Your war is over. There'll be one for your son, though. Start writing down things that'll be useful for him when his turn in the barrel comes. Get some tips from that 'Nam vet I told you to get drunk with, too.
You didn't enlist to spare your son from having to do the same thing. You did it so he won't have to fight his war on our shores.
>>29644593
>"uh, i'm being raped. "
>>29649307
>A guy getting his throat slit in any way feasible in any form of armed conflict since WW2
...You really have no idea what the fuck you are talking about, do you?
http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/SIA_RooftopExecution.asp
4 marines got ambushed on a roof in Iraq in '05. They got overpowered, stabbed then finished off with headshots while two of them were sleeping and the other two were on guard.
>>29644593
>"uh, i'm being raped. "
>>29649124
Al Maliki asked us to pull out so he could pull his Shia bullshit.
>>29656729
Do you really need money to rape kids?
It seems like a Taliban dominated Afghanistan would have just as much pederasty.
>>29657662
Bacha bazi is for the privileged class. The Taliban officially banned it under the pain of death but the law was rarely enforced due to the law's unpopularity. The quislings empowered by the US military dispensed with that law and openly engage in child rape.
>>29657708
Just give AIDS and other nasties to kids by telling them this will get their revenge while preventing meds to reach Afghanistan. After a few years, the dominant male class will be in shambles. Then you walk in with Coke, Coors, bikini clad women, monster trucks and McDicks.
>>29643741
As a marine sniper who served in Fallujah, I look up to your skateness. This is the best war story I'll ever read on this shit website. Thank you
>>29650803
Such impotent rage. You must feel the anger, yet be untouched by it, Glasshoppah.
>>29650925
Citation, pls.
>>29650943
So tell me, anon: where do you get all of your unimpeachable True Facts?
No waffling, now. You're the one who claimed facts. Support your claim.
>>29643646
>be me
>be in national gaurd in Gulf War
>mechanic
>reassigned to artillery
>I am still used as a mechanic
>driving to location
>driver in front of me radios over saying "watch this"
>proceeds to drift his humvee and Howitzer
>through a one in a million chance the howitzer fishtailed over unexploded ordinance
>which promptly exploded
> told to fix howitzer
>I have a wrench set and leatherman
>using scrap metal to replace some vital looking locking pins and bolts
>it fired one shot and came flying off the chassis
>hit target no problem
>received universal thanksfor letting the government get a final use out of some trash
>>29657886
>Pentagon Papers documented the techniques used in that war to perpetuate the myth of the US fighting that war of "good vs evil"
>Operation Mockingbird is declassified and completely out in the open and has extensive record of propping up militarism
If you actually paid attention in the run-up to Afghanistan and Iraq 2.0, the exact same techniques were used. And the militarist has remained the dumb, gullible animal to be manipulated by his masters even after all these years.
Cool stories guys I'm sure these are all totally 100% real things that happened to you or someone you know
>>29657849
>point out a clear case of projection
>rage
It's OK, you got called out on the internet. It happens.
>2nd deployment
>trying to get some sleep after night watch
>durka durka mortar time
>some people dont do shit
>some guys scramble to get everything on and up
>hear "anon what the fuck are you doing? get your gear on man"
>open my eyes to see new pvt is the one talking to me
>"im fucking sleeping what do you think?"
>"but the mortars"
>"tell haji to stop"
>later got chewed out by sgt for not having my gear on during a mortar attack
>claim i slept through it
>"well pvt bumblefuck said"
>sleeptalking, sir
>"dont let it happen again"
On the bright side, every other time they mortared us I didnt have night watch.
>same tour
>got hands on local beer
>fucking awful local beer
>the guy who bought it is the stereotypical "happy go lucky war is neat" asshat
>to this day i have no fucking clue how the dipshit managed to lose the bolt of an M249 but could smuggle in cases of haji beer without anybody noticing
>was shocked to get smoked when it was discovered he bought a ton of beer and then distributed it
>nothing funnier than some drunk tards running laps and then dropping for pushups only to land flat on their faces
>>29657708
Well at the moment if I had to choose, I'd take the current Afghan administration over the Taliban. Then again if the Taliban did eventually take over again someone else would inevitably invade them and it would be there problem this time.
>>29657958
So, no facts but some red hot conspiracy theories.
>it's totally the same as Vietnam, I swear guize.
Sounds to me like there's more than one species of dumb, gullible animal involved here. For some reason, the term 'useful idiot' comes to mind.
>>29658006
I'm not the anon you were responding to.
>>29658143
>the contents of the Pentagon Papers are conspiracy theories
>the contents of the Operation Mockingbird documents are conspiracy theories
It's cute when people dismiss primary sources because it doesn't fit their worldview.
>>29657958
You're trying way to hard to channel Kissinger here.
>>29658276
Nah bro, Kissinger merely stated the self-evident.
In the age of the volunteer military, the insight is fitting than ever.
>>29658159
>defending the honor of some other idiot on the internet
That might be even worse.
>>29644045
Most suck trucks have two hoses on the pump, so you can go from using the pump to suck the cesspit to using the pump to empty the truck at the processing plant, just by switching hoses.
It's likely that the pump to tank hose came off.
>>29658299
I'm just saying that Kissinger wasn't infallible. While you will always have a portion of the military being the gung-ho patriotic types who won't ask too many questions, I wouldn't paint the organization as a whole with the stereotype. I do think that we've created some sort of weird brand of hero-worship in the US regarding the military (I respect the everloving shit out of vets but sometimes the ads and posters and overtness of some it weirds me out) but I don't know how we're supposed to fix that, or if we ever will. I lay more blame at policymakers, politicians, and higher ranking officers (for some reason we aren't sacking generals like we used to) for getting us into unenviable situations for the most part (I still want to find and choke that one asshole who thought it was a good idea to disband the Iraqi military and the Baath party in Iraq simultaneously). I do think that the military tends to clamp down too hard on innovative ideas (Read up on Jim Gant and his One Tribe at a Time essay and his biography, and then what happened to him) but I wouldn't say that most soldiers are complicit in things like the boyfucking going on in Afghanistan, at least not intentionally. Most grunts don't get to decide which Afghan schmuck they have to work with, and when they are confronted with outright pedophilia there's little they can do about it due to the higher ups wanting the "Afghans to take over" (yeah I watched This is What Winning Looks like, some depressing shit). This leads me back to what I posted here
>>29658121
Regarding the whole corrupt Afghan administration, its a bitter pill because we either have them or the Taliban with little in-between. If we pulled the plug I would think that the Afghan Civil War would obviously resume in earnest, but no one would really win.
>>29643741
Skate harder than Tony fucking Hawk
>>29658414
Continuing on, you have to remember that Taliban rule brought some stability but internationally I believe only a handful of countries recognized them, and the Taliban could not into economics, foreign relations, or proper governance (If you were Pashtun, you got promoted over everyone else). They were consistently pissing off both China and Russia by supporting Islamic rebels in Chechnya and Xinjiang, Iran threatened outright invasion on multiple occasions, and they were giving help to their guys on the Paki side of the border and further de-stabilizing Pakistan (not that I give a shit about the Pakis since they had a direct hand in all of this, but their nukes getting in the wrong hands is a problem). The Taliban resuming control could see a repeat of last time, and I don't see a future where the Taliban don't get bumped off or invaded by yet another power because inevitably they'll piss one of their neighbors off to the point of armed intervention.
Hence the continued propping up of a shitty but slightly (and I mean slightly) viable government by us. There is no way to really win in Afghanistan, never was. Solid rule of the country hasn't been a thing for decades at this point, and I don't see it coming back anytime soon unless you can raise Ahmed Shah Massoud from the grave. Hence the corruption, hence the boyfucking, hence the bribery.
>>29658414
The statement still holds true. One has to be stupid in order to hand years of his life over to people who have demonstrated themselves to be evil malignant narcissists.
As for the pawns part, there isn't really a whole lot of debate here. They follow orders or they get punished. As you said, they don't have a say in the matter. This ties in to the part about being dumb.
The individual soldier in Afghanistan can hate on the pederasty all he wants, he is serving an organization that at best tolerates it and at worst funds it. No amount of bluster about "killing ragheads" will change that.
>>29658488
Well I guess I was somewhat missing the mark in my rant on the general status of Afghanistan, but
>evil malignant narcissists
I'm not sure how you're experiences have been with veterans or active duty, but most have been at best awesome or at worst a minor inconvenience. I have two friends joining up less out of a sense of patriotic duty and more out of some life decisions and other issues, but neither strike me as the type who do anything unthinkingly. Granted in the system that they will be a part of they won't really have room to question anything, but that's the system.
>Pawns
That's literally every military on the face of the earth and has been that way since the beginning of recorded history. Some stay that way, others rise, others die. Would you say that Napoleon, Peter the Great, or Peng Dehuai were dumb? Unless we're speaking about a distinction between enlisted and officers.
>Serving an organization that at best tolerates it and at worst funds it
I acknowledge that in my two posts as being part of the shitty deal we have there.
>>29658488
>I dqd meps and now all military is ebil. That's why my life is meaningless while I watch my little pony. Its somebody ekses fault promis
>>29658550
The evil malignant narcissists are the politicians and military bureaucracy they work for. Patriotism today is a cover for idiocy and/or psychopathy.
>That's literally every military on the face of the earth and has been that way since the beginning of recorded history
Then the insight is far more applicable than the military of the US in the 70's. There's a reason the line rankles the American militarist. Post-Vietnam, the Pentagon has tried very hard to convince the American people that soldiers are no longer pawns to be sacrificed in a foreign policy catastrophe. Kissinger's truism contradicts that fantasy.
one from dad.
>innakuwait during desert storm
>truck mechanic so just get to sit back and do nothing
>lifeisgood.webm
>get bored after day of fixing cranes and shit
>some dumbass decides to go play baja with the CUCV
>dad stays in shop because nothing good can come from this
>get call
>we need the wrecker at this grid, dumbass broke the truck
>roll out in the wrecker, figure he just popped a tire
>dude rolled it like 8 times
>get him off to a FOB to get fixed up
>truck is written off
>find out that he hit a fucking camel in the middle of the desert, went sideways and rolled
>totaled new $60k truck
>faggot gets medically discharged like 2 weeks later
>>29658250
>It's cute when people dismiss primary sources because it doesn't fit their worldview.
Those primary sources are relevant to Vietnam. How hard are you going to twist logic to make them fit your view of GWOT/Iraq/Afghanistan?
>>29658571
>lose multiple wars for feckless politicians, watch your dumb friends die while earning shit pay and dubious life skills the entire time
>tell others their life is meaningless
>>29658342
Oh, I'm not whiteknighting. As far as I'm concerned, the other anon can step on a Lego and fall in a toilet.
It's pretty clear that you have some unresolved anger issues, that are very possibly unclear to you. I'm not the only anon in this thread who's pointing out that you're kind of an idiot.
>>29658637
Because those propaganda efforts have been proven to be ongoing and continual
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/29/politics/third-journalist-was-paid-to-promote-bush-policies.html
Hell, the Pentagon is still re-writing Vietnam, 50 years later::
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/10/us/pentagons-web-timeline-brings-back-vietnam-and-protesters-.html?_r=1
Then there's the propaganda link between the Pentagon and Hollywood, a topic which has been written about extensively, to the point where it has its own moniker: the military-entertainment complex. Google it.
Notice the reverberate theme. Good vs evil. The US government is hardly the first to hammer on this, because it works.
As of 2009, the Pentagon spends $4.7 billion a year on psy-ops. Amazingly, the Pentagon still maintains the lie that all of this money is spent on foreigners, even though psyops officers were caught trying to influence US senators on Capitol Hill. One wonders where all that money is spent.
>>29643646
cool imagination bruv
work on your realism
>>29658736
It is amusing that American militarists claim their detractors have anger issues when the US military is plagued by PTSD, domestic violence, drug abuse and rape.
>>29650161
you were driving down the road and stopped because some farmer beat his daughter?
let me spend 45 mins telling you how a convoy would never stop for that
>>29658619
Well I'm not inclined to completely agree with you over certain things, I do agree that realpolitik is king and that inevitably soldiers are simply a part of a much much bigger picture where they simply comprise of one of our many assets to be used in the game of diplomacy. But, at the same time I try to recognize the human element that is there. Yes, in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 the word patriotism was used to ill effect to boost recruitment (in my opinion a bad move, our military in the '90s was at the complete top of their game regarding most things), I still believe in it as it was originally intended (loyal to the country over the government, respect the people, keep an eye on the feds etc) but it has indeed been twisted. As for idiocy and psychopathy, both have uses in a military and always have (someone has to end up pulling the trigger). I do place some value on the poor shmucks who go and come back, but you also have to realize without all of this we wouldn't have some of the best firearm instructors and teachers in the firearms community (with some exceptions). While I think that military-worship has gotten a little out of control, I still see it as vital to force projection and being used as leverage in diplomacy (again, realpolitik). Maybe its the bleeding heart idealist in me but I cannot disregard the human part of the whole equation, as much as Kissinger was willing to (which I will admit he probably had to in order to make the kind of decisions he did). Also I would warn against putting anyone up on a pedestal, no one is infallible.
>>29658641
>Lose multiple wars
I would consider our current engagements in Iraq and Afghanistan to be continuous, and thus far while we haven't won we're still there and haven't lost yet. Vietnam was a loss, but actually if you're a fan of Kissinger you should know we managed to make some very interesting power plays internationally during the war that mitigated some of it.
>>29650702
it has nothing to do with us being invaders, at least if it was a girl child. People who were friendly to us would do the same if we saw a girl without a veil.
But it wasn't always a beating or a killing.
Many of them carry this useless looking curved knife. It's essentially useless except for three tasks, it is great at docking the tail of a young goat or sheep, it's pretty good at cutting a plug of chew, and it's great at scaring the fuck out of a girl's face.
I saw a girl who lost control of her veil in strong winds get her cheek cut so bad we could see her teeth, and I've heard similar stories from 5 friends who deployed in different places or at different times. In my case, the person who did it was considered a VIP, and was strongly connected to the local pro-US faction It took a lot of effort to convince him to let a female American medic dress her wound. Many of the older women show evidence of similar disfiguring cuts, if you ever happen to see one without a veil (something I only saw through spotting scope).
It's about controlling their women, not about politics.
>>29656699
Nice. You found a story that roves the government is enabling child molestation and that ordinary soldiers still try to stop that shit going down.
>>29658891
Keyword being "try". And punished.
That this is one of maybe a half dozen stories that managed to come out, out of the thousands of soldiers forced to liaise with a society that tolerates child rape, means most of them stayed silent. Good show.
>>29658826
I'm the guy writing the long posts, but you seem to have an extremely vested interest in making people rather angry, and at this case its the guys who were grunts and had no part in the upper-level decisions. I simply feel that the criticism would be better directed.
>>29658795
Also you seem to be overstating the effect of a lot of this stuff. Yeah American Sniper and other such movies like Lone Survivor get embraced by many, but on /k/ at least you should know we had extensive threads on how full of shit Chris Kyle was and how Luttrell probably made a lot of shit up. Granted this is 4chan and we by no means make up a large portion of the majority, I could feel the sentiment echoed by some of my peers in everyday life. The propaganda machine (not debating what it is, everyone does it) is getting a little on the old side and aside from occasional high-budget shooters don't attract as much attention. Also you mention all of this but at least initially Hollywood used to be very grey on the subject of Vietnam, hell to my knowledge I know only of We Were Soldiers and Green Berets being the only overtly either pro-war or extremely pro-US films that I know of. The other more well known flicks blur the lines heavily, as they should. Granted I wouldn't be surprised if you're right and Hollywood is indeed in the military's pocket in some way (Michael star spangled Bay comes to mind) but sooner or later, you get films that don't match the agenda). What you claim on the whole military complex isn't all encompassing, though it does have some truth to it.
>>29658795
Dude, the history of WW2 is still being revised to fit a whole bunch of narratives.
The President and the First Lady have appeared on numerous talk shows. SecState has appeared on SNL. Is this also part of the propaganda campaign?
>>29658924
Plenty of dead afghanis who weren't close enough to the pillars of power to stay safe.
>>29658953
>The President and the First Lady have appeared on numerous talk shows. SecState has appeared on SNL. Is this also part of the propaganda campaign?
Yup. It's a fairly effective one. They're trying to be relatable.
>>29657978
>>29657958
>>29658250
>>29658488
>I've never been to a warzone and seen fucked up shit happen so the things other people saw with their own eyes cannot possibly have happened! It's all Pentagon propaganda and psyops!
>If you disagree with me you're a mindless military drone, _I_ am the enlightened one who sees through the lies, look at my data showing what you saw cannot have happened because muh Hollywood!
The propaganda is for you retards who stayed home, anon.
>>29658977
Just out of curiosity, what military experience do you have?
>>29658830
Instead, spend exactly one second re-reading what I typed in that post, and another pointing out to me where I said we stopped?
Not my fault the American "education" system fails to teach you reading comprehension.
As to OP's claim that he stopped, do you realise that they may well stop for a different reason than the kid getting their head stoved in?
Try harder.
>>29658977
Long post guy again, you seem to be getting up in arms about things which anyone with a brain and a bit of research already knows. As a /k/ommando, I know about Obama's attempts to appeal directly to the American people through the use of emotion is propaganda. Him being surrounded by kids while attempting to pass legislation is propaganda. Birth of a Nation was great propaganda for its time, as was Triumph of the Will and Battleship Potemkin. After every conflict, every major political decision, and catastrophe propaganda is immediately started by all parties involved to shift blame. Psy-ops, counterintelligence, falsification, these things go back decades. I'm not trying to understate the seriousness of it today but you're acting like this is the first time this shit happens.
>>29658988
I'm not saying I don't think this stuff couldn't happen, I'm saying I don't think anyone here has actually seen or done this stuff
>>29658488
>One has to be stupid in order to hand years of his life over to people who have demonstrated themselves to be evil malignant narcissists
That describes every tax-paying citizen on the planet. There's only one boat, we're all in it.
>>29659023
That was my first post about propaganda.
People need to realize that all media has bias. Propaganda is fairly innocuous because it has a bias that is readily determinable.
But education in terms of teaching people how to think has fallen out of favor in the face of education that focuses on trivia and testing.
>>29659033
What the fuck would you want? Face shots with medals and shit?
Fuck doing that on 4chins
>>29659063
>All media has bias
No shit, though I do agree that there's too many that do not grasp this.
>Education in terms of teaching people how to think has fallen out of favor in the face of education that focuses on trivia and testing
On this I fully agree. The move towards mass standardized testing and rote memorization is counter-productive.
>>29643976
dude I traveled through there and you aren't kidding. some seriously baller russian dudes throwing around lots of cash.
>>29658795
Apocalypse Now
Platoon
Full Metal Jacket
The Deer Hunter
Hamburger Hill
Coming Home
Born on the 4th of July
Good Morning Vietnam
Just off the top of my head, are not movies that paint our involvement in Vietnam in glowing terms.
>>29658988
>defend OP's bullshit story
>YOU WEREN'T THERE SO IT'S TRUE
It's just sad when people try to live vicariously through an obvious lie.
>>29659150
>there exists anti-war films regarding the most divisive and failed war in American history
>therefore the military entertainment complex does not exist
Here is an amusing take on the subject: http://www.nickturse.com/articles/tom_entertain.html
>>29658826
We know why they're angry. We're trying to establish why you're so angry at the military. Anything you want to tell us?
>>29658924
You're trying to pass sweeping generalizations as hard facts. That doesn't help your case.
>>29644246
>Never had an aircraft sustain preventable mechanical failure that he worked on.
I can dig it man, that's badass in a different sort of way.
>>29659152
You're just proving my point further.
You're rejecting other peoples' personal experiences based on the fact you have not experienced them, then accusing others of lying with zero proof.
You're also continuously assuming the US experience in Afghanistan is the ONLY experience from Afghanistan.
Please, continue telling me how what I and my friends saw with our own eyes is "Pentagon propaganda" made by the military-entertainment complex.
Because we're not talking about movies and shit but personal experiences.
Stay mad anon. It's amusing to see you sperg out.
>>29658938
Modern Pentagon propaganda is subtle. They seem to take a multi-pronged approach:
- Flat out, totally undisguised propaganda: American Sniper, Act of Valor, Lone Survivor
- Stupid teenager shit: Battleship, Battle: Los Angeles. The Rock
- Positive portrayals of the military in minor roles, or of ex-military: X-Men First Class, Ironman, GI Joe, Walking Tall
Many people can see through the first category. The second category is there for a reason: kids are easy to sway. The third is arguably the most effective: put out the good vibes on the military even when it is not the topic at hand. That won't ever "get old".
First Responder here, anybody got PTSD? Sometimes I feel like I do but then I think of the classic war hero PTSD and I don't have it like that so it makes me question if I do at all. If you have ti what symptoms do you have?
>Inb4 go get help and lose gun rights
>>29659245
>defend OP's literal memepost
>demand others to accept it as fact
topkek
I do like how you are now referring to OP's tall tale as a "personal experience". Are you OP?
The propaganda angle here is a trained propensity to buy into any story where you are good and they are evil, no matter how outlandish. Obviously, it is working.
>>29644593
>>walking with first sgt as he inspects the cable installation.
>>hear what sounds like people fighting in a trailer
>>door was unlocked
>>two soldiers from the maintenance company engage in homosexual anal sex.
>>the guy catching blurts out "uh, i'm being raped. "
>>first sgt just closes the door and keeps walking.
>>nothing ever came of the incident.
spoilers- it sounded like a fight because it was a fight. the guy was getting raped and you just walked on
>>29646626
Kek at all the dudes saying the throat slitting part is bullshit.
Guy in my company got his cut when he fell asleep on guard. Whole goddamn platoon almost got overrun.
>>29659290
I understand the number one "tell" is flashbacks.
>>29659294
>cannot accept OP's post based on nothing but a desire to peg everything as propaganda
>getting mad when another person (me) states it is believable based on personal experience in that same zone of conflict
And, no, Im not OP. Im this guy: >>29650161
It's like to you, everyone is in the media industry.
>>29659324
>it is believable based on personal experience in that same zone of conflict
See how that propaganda works?
>>29650848
East Orlando here!
>>29659334
...annnd there you go.
I saw two men raping a donkey, as well, and was horrified to learn that to the locals its considered normal behaviour (this was thanks to talking with the locals, and mockingly bringing up the donkey episode). Which is why I believe my friends who said they saw a guy fucking a goat.
Or is that "muh propaganda" also?
You seem rather unfamiliar with the concept of logical thought.
>>29659033
You do realize there are real operators from time to time who post here and vets are a dime a dozen. You should get out of the house more.
>>29659324
Flashbacks is too vague in my opinion. Like dissociative flashbacks? Grab a stick and jump in a ditch and shoot at "charlie" flashbacks? Or just constant remembering of an event?
>>29659334
>>29659356
Not to mention that personal experience, by definition, cannot be propaganda.
So why are you spending your time on a Nepali rugweaving magazine shitting on what other anons are saying? Do you get paid to do this or are you just retarded?
>>29659369
Generally, similar sounds, smells, etc, will lead you to temporarily re-live past traumatic events.
That is how it was explained to me anyhow.
Google may well be a better source for info on this than me.
>>29656812
Holy shit, dude.
How did you get into psyops? I was not aware you could just jump in on it as an MOS, I feel like it would be very selective if not SOF. What did you do over there?
>>29647313
something about this story is so..... relatable. I or a dozen guys I know would have done the same thing as marky marks
jut got me real sad. but not the kind of sadness that makes you lose hope. the sadness that reminds us that all humans experience similar things, and that sometimes sadness is a part of living and you can't have the good without the bad.
Laughing at this mudslime defending the Afghan barbarism
>>29649189
Have you seen apocalypse now or read heart of darkness? you remind me of marlow....
I think there is still peace for you in this world if you want it badly enough
>>29644593
>uh, i'm being raped
>>29659356
Bestiality is totally, completely believable. A grandfather murdering his five year old grand-daughter for waving at the invaders... not so much.
Note the difference. Many people have observed bestiality first-hand from the Afghans and it is considered a fairly tolerated thing. So personal experience is applicable.
Casual child murder on the other hand isn't so tolerated even in Afghanistan, nor is it commonly reported. But you believe it because it fits your worldview. Personal experience goes out the window, to be replaced by a helpfully crafted narrative. Yours is no logical thought process, just a trained reaction.
>>29659389
>>29659369
My uncle who was in vietnam randomly one day shouted "COCK A DOW CHUCKY BOY!" and ran out of the house to dive under his truck.
>>29643646
>didn't kill him on the spot
Glad our boys are trained to be cuck faggots.
>>29659423
>Yours is no logical thought process, just a trained reaction.
So, the exact same thing as you are doing, only from the other side?
After all, you believe it is propaganda because that fits _your_ worldview. My personal experience (and that of my colleagues) gets ignored and replaced by a helpfully-crafted narrative that it is all "propaganda".
And it is in that area of the world where acid is thrown in women's faces for so little as failing to wear a face-veil, not to mention honour killings.
... but im certain that that too, will be put down as "Pentagon propaganda" by you, despite there being ample evidence of such things by non-US sources.
After all, those evil muslim-hating jews in Hollywood are everywhere, amirite?
I bet you think the holocaust was propaganda as well?
>>29659455
ROE are a bitch, anon. Blame the media and the bleeding heart soccer mums.
>>29659466
My skepticism comes from an accepted, widespread academic (anthropology, sociology, etc) that child murder (even of other children) is considered universally taboo even in societies which first-worlders would consider barbaric. Killing your own kin is even more so. Telling a story of something like this happening requires extraordinary proof. Especially when it is passed off as a common occurrence to encourage the troops, or make returned vets feel better about their wasted blood and years.
So no, my judgment isn't a trained reaction, unlike yours.
>>29651199
the peruvians and bolivians fuck donkeys too man. the welsh fuck sheep.... its a rural thing
>>29659466
not him but you have to admit that statistical evidence is always going to be stronger than personal accounts, its no different from saying that you saw a pedo rape a kid under some bleachers so now all american p.e teachers are rapists
>>29659413
Au contraire, it is the US military that is demonstrably defending Afghan barbarism. You know, realpolitik and all that.
>>29659526
let the redneck blabber on anon, he's still little wasted from the moonshine and is probably wants to fuck his sister amirite
>>29659511
>academic (anthropology, sociology
Well, it makes sense now- you are either studying in one of those branches of education or have studied one of them.
The blatant anti-military bias in those disciplines shows though, by the way.
And it is not passed off as a common occurrence, OP did not claim it happened multiple times, nor has anyone else.
But based on the lack of care shown to children that I observed in Afghanistan, OP's story would not surprise me. Afghans are indifferent or brutal towards children, excluding their own immediate offspring.
My observations are, of course, limited to one province over a limited period of time, but I can extrapolate that the nation as a whole is far less caring of children than we in the west are, otherwise locals would take steps to bring backwards areas into line with areas of the country where children are not mistreated.
>>29659526
Yes, but the important part is that in every single other place, it is considered perverted and disgusting, not normal.
>>29644593
"uh, I'm being raped"
>>29659557
On the gripping hand, it is the US government that forces the US military to turn a blind eye to Afghan barbarism.
>>29656013
>Like sleeping inna woods and being cold or hot? Infantry
>Like being alone inna woods? Forward observer
gott dayuuum,, are you a recruiter or what?
>>29659423
OPs story is completely plausible. I had to provide security for our battalion surgeon while he checked on a girl in a coma. The dad did not even try to lie about bashing her in the head with a rock because she took candy from Marines. They were pissed the doc came out instead of the civil affairs officer because they just wanted to get paid. In his eyes it was our fault because we gave her candy. ANP didnt arrest him. Inshallah was their attitude.
>>29644593
>>29656013
>hate airplanes?
>>Air defense
>>29659595
Oh look, another person who witnessed casual Afghan brutality against their own children....
But remember, as the academic will tell us: "ït's all Pentagon propaganda".
>implying his University education has not trained his to be biased towards believing information coming from "experts", but not soldiers, despite their being experts in their field...
>>29659562
>Well, it makes sense now- you are either studying in one of those branches of education or have studied one of them.
The naked anti-intellectualism is hardly surprisingly. Consider that these academics did all the legwork to prove their theories on human behavior by actually documenting human cultures over decades, which is worth a hell of a lot more than anecdotal stories told to boost troop morale.
Maybe they're onto something when they make observations about the military.
>OP did not claim it happened multiple times, nor has anyone else.
Read between the lines. Then there's the endless stream of from vets about kebab brutality, ranging from mildly plausible to completely ridiculous. Know the nature of propaganda: there is never a single instance, every outrage is passed off as the norm.
>Afghans are indifferent or brutal towards children, excluding their own immediate offspring.
Perhaps. But "casual murder of your own kin" brutal? The ease with which people buy into this obvious lie can only be blamed on propaganda-induced gullibility.
>>29659578
>actually tries to distinguish between the two
>>29659595
>Marines
immediate bullshit, not even worth consideration
>>29659614
>he's too much of a cuck to question if his government has been lying to him about other humans
Or maybe the United States managed to become the first nation in the history of humanity to somehow evolve beyond this obvious incentive to propagandize their enemies
>>29644593
>"uh, I'm being raped"
>>29659657
What makes it bullshit?
>>29659625
>anti-intellectualism
Hardly. I resent being told what I saw by someone who did not see it, and tries to force my experiences into their world-view. Rather biased of you, imho.
>there's the endless stream of from vets about kebab brutality
Yeah, funny that, thousands upon thousands of personal experiences that you dismiss casually. What if they all claim brutal behavior by Afghans because, ya know, Afghans really ARE brutal? After all, there are tales of Afghan cruelty going back to Kipling and further.... Just a thought...
>But "casual murder of your own kin" brutal?
Yes. People kill each other regularly and often. You seem unfamiliar with pashtunwali, and societal mores in Afghanistan. To put it bluntly, someone's wives and children are considered as property.
>>29659636
>Fails to distinguish between the two
>>29659657
>has no idea there really are US Marines in Afghanistan
>>29659658
>maybe the United States managed to become the first nation in the history of humanity to somehow evolve beyond this obvious incentive to propagandize their enemies
Sure thing, anon. And if you believe that, I have a bridge in New York I'm trying to sell off real quick.....
And anyway, how can your government lie to me about what I have seen? Did they gather up Afghan actors to act out village behaviour for months on end to propagandise me?
>>29659625
>anecdotal stories told to boost troop morale.
How is former soldiers sharing experiences with NEETs on 4chan suposed to "boost troop morale"?
>>29659763
Some part of me feels boosted, but it definitely isn't my morale.
>>29659812
Theres better threads for that kind of thing:
>>>/s/
>>29659258
I mean yes I recognize all of that, the 1st and 2nd distinctly. The 3rd is noticeably but I just usually wave it off because it was bound to be in there to some degree and continues. As long as it doesn't interfere with some of the better movies (Captain America movies so far are fucking great) I won't mind, though I will notice it.
>>29659658
>1st nation to do this
Nigger people have dehumanized their enemies comprehensively for hundreds of goddamn years, we are FAR from the first to do it.
>>29659625
Long post anon here again, given the amount of media coverage of Afghanistan and from what I've researched about Pashtun culture and the like, It is not out of the question for Afghans to be tribal and sometimes downright brutal towards each other, children included. Something I've noticed with your posts is that you subtly keep defending the Afghans in many situations. Maybe my two large posts on Afghanistan weren't enough, but its not exactly propaganda to state that there's a lot of people in Afghanistan who by western standards are rather shitty people (or maybe its a mentality brought on by decades of war and instability). You keep mentioning all of this, but to you who are the "good afghans" then?
>>29659176
>that url
>expecting me to click it or read it
>>29659867
Chances are, he is an Afghan ex-pat to the US. I dealt with a couple as terps.
At least they had the decency to be embarassed by the behaviour of their Afghan counterparts.
>>29659511
heeey guise im an anthropologist so I know that all societies are relative and we can't ever judge eachother
fill your face with fucks faggot
>>29659394
It's literally a girl scout tier selection process.
>>29659898
Don't you see? He's an academic, with a degree, so of course he knows more about a soldier's experience than the pleb who lived through it! :^)
>>29644593
>>29659882
No man I've actually spoken to some Afghan expats, the ones I met were decent folks glad to get the hell out in most circumstances. I'm not attempting to generalize or anything but the vibe I get is someone very sure of their position and is quite smug about it. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing (we do the same to the gungrabbers) its just that I think that some of his position is slightly flawed or is stemming from something emotional. Which is just a theory but that's me. I'm pretty sure I've encountered this poster before and while there is a slight anti-military vibe of sorts on /k/, I believe at times that most people posting about "welfare queens" and the like are rather childish. I've never served and am in Uni currently, but I know that there's more to the relationship of vets and the community than the black and white image that some people here push. Yes, the whole hero worship thing at least to me is out of hand but most vets I meet are rather unassuming guys that will mention it only when asked and are decent people (with some exceptions but that's normal given how many people serve in the US military). Yes there are moto guys who brag about it everywhere and yes there are guys that are obnoxious as fuck about it (I know one particularly insufferable cunt who's in the national guard and talks like he's hot shit all the time), but there's also decent guys in the mix as well (volunteered to be a front desk guy at the 1st Division Museum at Cantigny Park in Illinois, half the staff were vets who were some of the nicest people I'd ever met). Furthermore given the relationship between the military and firearms I believe its only logical that there will be some overlap in the discussion of firearms and the military on /k/, for better or worse. I mean we have vets working in the firearms industry and working as trainers, so I don't understand why people can't see the obvious connections.
I just want to see more war stories, and not more bickering.
pls
>>29660138
This
>be my grandad
>in the New Zealand airforce stationed in England during WWII
>take off in a spitfire
>engine dies after take off
>not enough altitude to return to base
>English countryside covered in stone walls that would fuck your shit up if you hit one
>crash though a gate, both wings get torn right off
>come to a stop
>cute girl that was working in the field walks over
>have tea at her house
>jeep comes and picks him up
>hop in spitfire with both wings still attached
>go blow up a train
Such is life in England
>>29658795
PSYOP here. You are the victim of enemy PSYOP.
1) from the outset of Nam, the US gov was touting a certain line. Why would they stop? The Gulf of Tonkin was bullshit, but we were facing a much more complicated threat than a South East Asian country going commie.
2) the link between the US mlitary and Hollywood? Is laughable. The liberal elite of Hollywood have nothing but contempt for the military and are fairly open about it. Movies portray Good vs Evil because tjat is a lot easier to put into a 90min movie than it is to show at length the social, economic and political reasons that are the root cause of major conflicts. Imagine Saving Private Ryan with a 2hour back story that outlines how the Germans fell to the Nazis due to economic woes caised by punishment for WWI and how the Nazis sold the war as attempting to get more land to grow food for the Germans.
3)Yeah PSYOP was used to show some political leaders around. Nothing more. We are used to speaking to large groups and briefing brass off the cuff about why we should or should not do things. So what if PSYOP talked to them and showed them around? Do you think my MOS has some sort of Jedi mind control ability?
>>29643646
Before we could scramble up the side of the overlook to stop him.....
Jajajajjajajajaja
>>29659176
>most divisive and failed war
That would be our Civil War.
You seem to have an answer for everything. You've been well indoctrinated.
Because I pay for school lunch.
>>29660138
it's like when ma and pa used to fight
>>29661572
I think he is gone. People like that are blinded by their own biases. He already hated the US/military before he started "doing research" on websites that hate the US/military. So everything he said he blieved. In PSYOP I call these "the people we have to shoot." Because nothing, will change their mind. No matter how many kids the Taliban kill, no matter how many hoapitals the US builds and no matter how many women, men or goats ISIS rapes, he will still blame the US for all the worlds problems.
>>29643703
>it ain't me starts playing
>>29659423
>Casual child murder on the other hand isn't so tolerated
Despite the YT videos showing exactly that sort of thing happening in that part of the world? Are you really trying to push your narrative that hard?
Honor killings are a thing. Deal with it.
>>29659511
>my judgment isn't a trained reaction, unlike yours.
Those anthro and soc courses you took, or are taking, say otherwise.
>>29661775
Well, dammit, I ain't done yelling at him. Get him back here.
Well, its a shame the "professor" buggered off just as he was getting btfo.
I bet a hundred US $ he would have believed any story about US soldiers killing civilians though.
>>29643766
>got 50 different locations
You know the joke about wife calling his husband's friends about where he spent the night and 8 out of 10 confirmed the husband was with them and rest told that the husband was still there.
>>29644016
fucking kek
>>29649571
> be me last year
> have friend who has family out in mid east that are fighting isis with the kurds
> goes out to Kurdistan to help fight
> haven't heard from him or his family since he left
> feelsbadman.exe
>>29662150
I had heard the joke before then. But yeah it was just like that.
>Be Iraq 04, a few weeks prior.
>I got tasked out to the Marines
>I am one of 12 Soldiers on the base, 3 are in my unit. The others I have nothing to do with.
>I stand out.
>Go to the Marine supply area, ask for black spray paint.
>supply guy asks how much?
>All of it.
>Whatever, here.
>and thats how I spray painted most of a humvee black.
