>the government didn't need it
>the civilian market wasn't there
>so it was coated with cosmoline and tossed into crates
>it was shipped overseas
>he bought the crappy toy that's over three times his age
>he thinks it's cultured because it may or may not have killed people
>he looks down on fudds who instead buy functional hunting rifles and scopes for a similar price
Milsurps are the katanas of guns.
>spending 1,000,000 dollars on a useless peripheral for a gun you only use as a pretty piece of range eye-candy
Snowflake mallninja detected
I gotta agree, for the most part. Most milsurp guns are NEAT but flat out inferior, milsurp generals are nearly as cancerous as the ARG.
Some milsurp is alright. SKS are good guns, makarovs are good guns, Garands are good guns.
But it's important to realize that they're relics of the past.
>>29580760
Meh.
>>29580760
My SKS and Milsurp isnt for hunting dumbass.
>>29580760
>crappy toy
>>29580778
>milsurp is cancer
kys
>>29580760
Eh? SKS are pretty great, I wish I picked one up when they were $150.
Hell I still woudn't mind owning one.
>>29580803
>I can't read
>buying something cheap yet reliable, functional and fun
>a bad thing
pick one you furry
>>29580785
Yeah it's mainly used for wall decoration just like your katana.
>I I I GO INNAWOODS WIDIT
Savage Axis vs SKS for ethical hunting shots
Modern scopes vs open sights
Hmm
>SHTF
This is an actual SHTF situation.
>>29580823
Here's the thing - most milsurp isn't that cheap these days. You can usually get a modern rifle for just about the same.
>>29580760
>dissing milsurp this hard
Do you know where the fuck you are, faggot?
>>29580828
Why buy new when slightly used will do?
>>29580840
Honestly, even better. You can snipe a used gun for a killer deal if you wait long enough.
Sometimes that's milsurp, sometimes not.
>>29580828
bought one for 300 bucks last year. can't really find a cheaper rifle here. Inb4 muh .22
>>29580760
How does it feel knowing a Mauser rifle made a 100 years ago has better fit, finish, and quality control than most modern hunting rifles?
>>29580760
Milsurp-worshipping slavaboos and milsurp-dissing mall ninjas are both different sides of the same autism coin.
>>29580827
Yes Katrina was shtf and there was tons of looting and rioting and theft, martial law was essentially declared.
Which is why an SKS would work well.
People who say "shtf will never happen and you dont need a gun for it" are the same type of people who go "you will never be mugged or robbed so you dont need a gun for it"
extremely shortsighted.
Defensive carbine... defensive rifle.... using it for home or ranch defense.
All my rifles are defensive primarily and anything else is a plus. ie Hunting.
>>29580850
One what? SKS?
VZ2008 were going for $400 a pop not that long ago and they're essentially modernized SKS.
>>29580865
Simonov SKS , year 1941
>>29580850
>have a Ruger 10/22 ultimate fudd edition
>it shoots straight
>it's completely reliable
>it can take small game and farm animals no problem
>you can easily put a scope on it
>have sks
>I hope it doesn't slamfire
>it does
>have to bubba it up to put a scope on it
>FMJs can't be used for hunting
>b bb but I can use it for home defense
>use it indoors without earpro
>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>29580800
He's right you know.
M1's were and are shit.
>>29580877
>needing a scope to hunt small game
>your sks not shooting straight
>your sks slamfiring
>using a 22 or a sks for muh home defenseru
>being that retarded
>>29580865
>short stroke piston gun that employs tilting as a locking mechanism in some way
>hurrr it's obviously a different looking SKS!
Not dank enough, see me after class.
>>29580870
>year 1941
>>29580870
>Simonov SKS , year 1941
I really don't think so.
>>29580887
>were
no
>are
debatable but you listed no points to argue
>>29580847
For me, it's in the same league as adopting a pet instead of going to a breeder: there's already so many good used guns out there, that's it's almost wasteful to pass them up in favor of a new gun. I feel the same way about cars, too...even clothes, like going to goodwill or savers.
Another thing about buying used, is that you can get guns that you like and are every bit as good as new guns, but aren't made anymore. You buy used, you can get a gun that actually has a steel triggerguard, or anything else you're looking for. You could even find a unique gun that someone tinkered with, that you like.
I prefer guns with character.
>go inna forestry service road
>drive up a few tens of kilometers to scope my hunting rifle
>find a good spot
>mall ninja with sks was there
>he was swinging his sks around with the bayonet out
>he was playing operator
>can't stop looking
>he looks at me
>we stare at each other for 10 seconds
>his face turns red
>try not to laugh
>laugh
>feel bad for him and drive up to another spot
>he looks down on fudds who instead buy functional hunting rifles and scopes for a similar price
>similar price
NOTHING IN THIS RANGE
>>29580903
>>29580899
i meant 1951 :--D fug
>>29580905
It was the best rifle of WWI that never fought in WWI.
Idiotic reloading mechanism (I know, we'll design a gun that slams the action on the operator's thumb when he reloads! That's a smart fucking idea). Internal instead of external magazine.
The only saving grace for the M1 is the fact that everyone else was about 10 times more retarded than the US when they issued bolt-action rifles instead of semi-autos.
>>29580947
thanks man I had a feeling you had no idea what you were talking about, now I know for sure
>>29580887
>>29580947
How fucking retarded are you, or what have you been smoking?
Swear fags like you say this shit only for the edge factor, like you never came here to talk about guns in the first place.
>>29580963
Nope, I know pretty well what I'm talking about.
Just because your special snowflake was and is a shit rifle isn't my fault.
>>29580760
Bullshit. For a couple of decades, the SKS was the most common semiautomatic rifle in America. It was the do everything rifle. Hunting, knocking around on the woods, you name it, SKS rifles were everywhere and remained the everyman semiauto rifle until it was supplanted by the AR-15 in the mid '00s.
Milsurp in general has been an inexpensive path to gun ownership for the entirety of the 20th century. Back when 03 Springfields, SMLEs, k98s and Nuggets were everywhere and cheap as Hell, they were used and enjoyed for what they were.
Now, finally decades after the wars they served in are over, milsurps are starting to become rare. Prices are starting to climb to the point that it is becoming pointless to buy a milsurp over a comparable commercial rifle.
Thing is, I still know guys who picked up an SKS when they were $150 and still take them out in the woods and bump around with them, because to them, it's still a cheap semidisposable rifle.
>>29581011
And now they're not, and that's all that matters.
>>29581011
>it used to be a cheap, shitty rifle for poorfags
>now it's not cheap
>but it's still a good shitty rifle I swear!
>>29581011
>There will never ever be cheap milsurp ever again
>tfw
Between our gun control laws and import laws you know this is true.
>>29581017
>>29580760
This faggot is only here to troll, abandon thread boys.
>>29581035
No one will miss you.
>>29580947
Yer a moron.
https://youtu.be/o2idYNKWGm4
>>29581017
Sure it does. It.means that now if you have one that hasn't been bubbafied, a collector will probably pay you good money for it.
>>29581026
They were cheap, they weren't shitty. Unless of course you're arguing that all the rifles derived from military designs are shitty. Then that hits pretty much any of the Mauser action bolt guns on the market as well as the AR series rifles.
But you aren't that stupid.
Are you?
>>29581028
Import restrictions could be eased, but the.larger problem is that the supply of 20th century military surplus is finally drying up.
>>29580947
>Idiotic reloading mechanism (I know, we'll design a gun that slams the action on the operator's thumb when he reloads! That's a smart fucking idea). Internal instead of external magazine.
Clearly you've never used an M1. I don't like that this has become a meme.
If you have the basic common sense technique taught to you you will never ever get your thumb stuck.
Everyone else gets their thumb stuck exactly once. Then they learn how to properly operate the rifle. Extremely easy and even the dullest of conscripts can be taught how to load the M1.
The reloading process was far faster than that of the SVT40 or the G43 or even the FN49/AG42B.
You only were issued a few magazines or one magazine for your detachable magazine fed rifle. You had to store them and the whole process of detach magazine + store magazine + reload magazine + charge the bolt forward was much slower than add new clip + move hand out of way.
the clips on the M1 were not stripper clips and were an ingenious design. The whole M1 design made it capable of far faster rate of fire than any semi auto used by infantry at the time.
You could carry more 8rd garand clips prepackaged ammunition than you could the clumsy stripper clips for guns like the G43 or the SVT40 especially. The clip also automatically ejected making reloading foolproof and extremely fast.
Also topping off the Garand is much faster than topping off an SVT or G43 or AG42.
There was a reason the Garand was at one time called the greatest battle implement ever designed, because it was unsurpassed at the time period until detachable higher capacity magazines issued in higher numbers became the norm.
>>29581059
>Some retard at the range
>IT'S A GOOD GUN GUYS, I SWEAR!
Deal with it, it was the best rifle of WWI that never fought in it.The redeeming quality in WWII is that everyone else was even more retarded than the US.
The army shit on it by making it use enbloc clips, and .30 cal, and watered down .30 cal loads at that (Because the Army shits over everything.)
Failure to load anything EXCEPT 8 rounds. No topping off. Nothing.
Garand thumb, because designing a weapon that can harm the user in NORMAL FUNCTION is a good idea.
Just because the rifle is slightly better than the other rifles at the era, does not make it a good rifle. The Garand sucked then, and sucks now.
>>29581248
Wow.
Read this.
>>29581166
You can top it off no problem and garand thumb is only a thing if you are utterly retarded. You have never shot one obviously. It was fastest semi auto at the time as far as reloading and getting back on target.
>>29581248
You can't make this level of retardation up.
>>29581166
I have used one, several times.
The M1 was faulty as put to the field, prior to the Army fucking it up it was an OK rifle. The fact that you can smash your thumb, while being forced to break your sight picture, to reload the rifle is a bad idea. Say it with me, BAD IDEA. Just because Patton once called it the greatest battle implement evah doesn't make it so.
The BAR existed at the time, and took reliable magazines. You can make an M1 take those magazines with a few minutes in a machine shop. But no, you still have to use the retarded enblock clips because.... Well because the Army is retarded and says you have to.
>>29581248
>I didnt actually watch the video and now I keep spouting untruths and making myself look stupid
You can top it off fine....
And Garand thumb isnt a thing unless you have no idea what you are doing and are not operating the rifle correctly.
Also enbloc was worlds better than the 2-3 detachable mags they gave you. And without a doubt faster than a stripper clip
>fufufuf why doesn't everyone just use an AR!!!! thread #1848392
>>29581260
Do you realize what a pathetic autist you look like?
>starts retarded thread
>literally everybody disagrees
>"NO I'M RIGHT, EVERYBODY BUT ME IS WRONG."
>pretending to have real world experience
>probably shot his buddy's guns with him a couple times, max
>that experience combined with Wikipedia articles equals the small arms genius that is OP
I hope mommy burns your tendies.
>>29581260
>smash your thumb
Only if you literally have no idea what you are doing. Any half retarded conscript can operate it correctly and not get there thumb smashed.
Its like saying the ar15 sucks because when i stick my hand in the magwell and hit the bolt release it hurts.
the enbloc is faster and a better design than detachable magazines at the time or stripper clips.
God damn what the fuck is wrong with you. The BAR weighed like 20lbs dumbass and was an LMG.
>>29581280
>Garand thumb isnt a thing unless you have no idea what you are doing
I hear that only happens with worn out rifles anyway.
>>29581300
everyone needs to be forced to watch this video before they make stupid posts about the Garand.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o2idYNKWGm4
Its clear OP did not watch this video because if he did he would realize he is spoutting straight up lies.
>>29581317
Subscribed.
Anyways, how I've always felt about "topping off" a rifle in battle:
>carrying loose rounds into battle
I did know you can top off an M1 though.
>>29580778
Some of them are great antique pieces
>>29580887
M1's were incredibly reliable for being a mass produced semi auto rifle. Just because you watched the test where they cram every crevice on the action to the brim with a layer of thick mud and are surprised when it doesn't function doesn't mean it's shit.
>>29582135
Thank fucking christ someone has a brain
>>29582135
They're also accurate as hell, easy to reload, and objectively beautiful. The only reason you wouldn't want one is if you were physically or mentally incapable of handling one properly.
>>29580911
I completely agree. Used is just as good as new for significantly less money.
Also, something about new things irks me. I don't feel comfortable buying new unless it's food or gasoline.
>>29581164
It's a crying shame that the millions of AKs, FALs, Enfields, ect in Africa and the Middle East will never be allowed to come to America and be treasured by sport shooters
>>29581260
Dude....you got fucking rekt
I like my SKS, sorry you're such a curmudgeon about other people enjoying their guns
>>29581260
I neither have the time nor the crayons to explain to you how retarded you are. Take your (You) and leave.
>>29580855
hell yes
>>29580947
>Idiotic reloading mechanism (I know, we'll design a gun that slams the action on the operator's thumb when he reloads!
i can tell you have never handled an M1. its literally impossible to get Garand thumb while loading
>>29580855
This is wrong, and I fucking love me some Mauser. In their heyday they were the high end, discerning rifleman's choice for hunting and target shooting. Comparing them to today's bottom end stuff in terms of fit and finish is comparing apples to oranges; instead they should be measured against modern equivalents. My new production Winchester 70 sporter is much more precisely fitted than any of the military 98's I've held. I've never had a factory sporter Mauser to examine closely so I can't comment there.
It's also worth noting, they're not even in the same league when it comes to precision.
Milsurp is fun, most of my collection is milsurp. Just don't try to justify it as anything other than for historical interest.
That being said, 99.9% of this board does not need (though that doesn't mean they shouldn't have them) all the bullshit they spend their money on. To me, owning and using a piece of history is more interesting than buying a $3000 gucci AR that will go to the 50m indoor range once a month and punch paper.
What do all you people actually use guns for anyway? Hunting, CCW, skeet/trap? Most of my (and other people's) purchases are impractical for those purposes. I mostly just fuck around with them and occasionally go to the range with a couple chosen pieces.
>>29581350
>I did know you can top off an M1 though.
you pull the charging handle all the wway back, hit a small lever on the side if the receiver, and the clip and rest of the ammo pops out
>>29583485
>My new production Winchester 70 sporter is much more precisely fitted than any of the military 98's I've held.
you do know that Mausers were hand fitted at the factory, right?
>>29583510
This, you can talk about how an AR will be useful when the great nigger war comes, but the odds of actually needing it are basically nil. Even for home defence, something like an M1 carbine or your run of the sporting shotgun will do just fine. Most home invaders are some punk who is trying to feed a weed habit, they don't even want a fight, and they certainly aren't highly trained Islamic Communist spec ops armed with the latest gear here to take your guns and by extension your freedom.
>>29583510
OP here. I didn't mean to post a troll topic. I was trying to imply that milsurps are rather useless for gun purposes compared to sporting rifles. Yes milsurps can be used for hunting and home defense but sporting guns just do it better for a similar price. Despite this, /k/ seems to have a fetish for milsurps rifles while shunning sporting long guns for being too boring and generic. I personally find hunting rifles sexier and more customizable than milsurps due to their potential for precision shooting far beyond the capabilities of standing shooters. Maybe it's just me
>>29583639
>I didn't mean to post a troll topic. I was trying to imply that milsurps are rather useless for gun purposes compared to sporting rifles.
>>29583639
Ok OP, please tell me where I can get a 7.62x39 sporting semi-auto for $350.
>>29580760
It's about the price man. Not everyone is willing or able to buy your fancy salt rifle. Or maybe they want something that looks nice (like wood furniture). Also,enjoy spending thousands on plastic gun parts, friendo
>>29581317
Is that man a bong?
>>29580760
I don't buy milsurp because I think my SKS, or my Lee-Enfield are superior to modern firearms. I do it because they have history, and are sexy/interesting guns.
>>29580877
Your SKS is slamfiring because you're to stupid to just clean the firing pin and the firing pin chamber. There is accumulated gunk in there that keeps the free floating firing pin from recessing. All you need is a hole punch (which a standard sks cleaning kit includes) to dissemble the bolt. Also it not common sense to just keep your ear pro next to your bedside so in the case of some dindu smashing your living room window you can get gun and ear pro easily.
>Stop Liking What I Don't Like: The Thread
>>29584744
Yes. I watched the video too, and I'm guessing now that he's easily the most based man in that whole country.
>>29582135
Been here since around 2004. The "Garand action is unreliable" meme is something that has been pushed hard by AR fags in the last few months, starting somewhere at the end of last year. Before that, an honest AR fag would grudgingly admit that "well, yes, the Garand action is more reliable, but here are the advantages of the AR platform."
Now there's a full on push by AR fags to rewrite history and disregard the combat experience of WWII and Korea that says otherwise.
>>29580865
What? Modernized sks? We could lump in the ak and the ar with that logic
>>29583202
Agreed. The "keeping weapons of war off our streets" executive order was laughable at best. Thankfully it didn't affect M1s and other Lend Lease rifles being repatriated through the DOD, but it does mean no more bolt action or semiauto foreign rifles will be coming in if they are war surplus. Because of all those SVT40 and SMLE drive bys, I guess.
>>29587370
I hope our next President is someone who can undo that. What one EO does, another can revert.
>>29583454
To be fair, it's possible. You just have to be an uneducated retard to do it.
>>29583639
Okay, but you posted the SKS as your OP pic. The SKS basically served as the all around all purpose rifle starting in the late 1970's when the Chinese started dumping both their military surplus and commercial models here. It's hard to over emphasize how ubiquitous it was in the 80's and 90's. I know people that were otherwise nogunz who had an SKS because they were cheap, accurate and reliable. The innawoods meme comes from the fact that's what everyone did with it. For the two decades of it's reign as America's most popular semiautomatic rifle, the only alternative to the SKS ($150) for a light intermediate rifle was an M1 Carbine($300) , Ruger Mini 14 ($500) or AR15($1500). It took the rise of the cheap AT and more extensive import restrictions to knock the SKS out of being an almost disposable semiauto everyone used in the brush gun/carbine role.
>>29580947
>>29585253
>you'll never believe what this Englishman did with an M1
I also want his Baretta manufactured Dutch M1 in .308.
>>29587309
I'm starting to think the AR vs AK mud test by inrange tv was Ian and Karl trolling /k/ hard because of our weird fetish about them.
>>29580947
>WWI ends in 1918
>Garand adopted in 1936
>best WWI rifle
>whut
Thanks to this b8 drawing in all the SKS fags. If I am in the market of buying one is a Chinese one still acceptable or should I go with a Yugoslav or Soviet?
>>29587683
I'm fairly certain of it.
>>29587723
I'm on my phone and don't have the SKS infographic handy. Basically, if you buy Chinese, get milsurp, not commercial. Commercial guns will have a pale yellow wood stock and some have cast receivers. Milsurp will have a darker wood stock and forged receiver. Oddly, milsurp guns will often be missing the bayonet while the commercial models will have theirs.
>>29587723
Chinese is fine. Just get a hand select model if you can. Jgsales has them for $330 plus $30 for hand select. Pic related is my rifle that I received without hand select. It's a sino-Albanian model with the guys name in it. Chrome lined bore too unlike the yugo. Russian sks is too expensive for what it is.
>>29587309
the garand action is unreliable. it literally cant reliably feed one entire clip of steel cased ammunition. ask me how i know.
>>29581317
>308 garand
I need one of these in my life
>>29587824
Forgot to mention that mine is a milsurp type 56 blade bayonet model. Probably pre Vietnam made. >>29587723
>>29587801
This anon is right.
>>29587801
>>29587824
Thanks I'll keep this in mind. Time to go on a great hunt for a midtier type 56
>>29587826
Interesting. Has the OP rod spring been changed, or is it running the original? If you're experiencing premature clip ejection, have you changed the clip latch spring? If it's short stroking and failing to pick up the next round, your ammo is underpowered. What sort of malfunctions are you having?
>in before "my mini 30 won't run cheap ass tula ammo"
>>29587950
its a special grage CMP .308 conversion. everything is original to the CMP refurb. it fails to fully chamber most rounds with some failures to extract.
>>29588002
>bitching about a rifle not working with a caliber it wasn't designed to use
really, anon?
>>29588023
>its normal for a rifle which has been professionally converted to caliber with very similar dimensions to rarely work with steel case, but work fine with brass
or it could just be an inherently shitty design by todays standards
>>29588048
The CMP just changes the barrel and adds a clip block. Still a long .30-06 action.
>>29588002
The Special Grade is fitted with a Criterion match grade barrel and very tight chamber. It is made to tighter tolerances than a standard barrel. The steel case .308 is likely slightly oversized compared to match grade brass. It would be fine if your gun had a milspec chamber, but it doesn't. It has a tight competition grade chamber. Your basically trying to run a Ferrari on 87 octane pump gas, and it doesn't like it.
>>29588097
that actually makes a lot of sense.
>>29588048
The "weak point" here is the installation of a match grade chamber that doesn't like cheap steel cased ammo. A milspec chamber would have no trouble. The CMP assumes that if you drop the $1k for a Special and specifically get the .308 conversion, you won't feed it cheap steel cased ammo.
>>29588138
With the match grade barrel and chamber and the fine tuning the CMP does to the Special Grade, with the right ammo it is probably stupid accurate. I think the problem comes with>>29588002 thinking his $1k had bought him a slightly cheaper knocking around alternative to a $1500 Springfield M1A when in reality what he got was a crazy accurate for the money long range competition rifle.
>>29588155
>>29588155
it was a gift, actually, but i see your point. unfortunately there are no long range shooting ranges, let alone competitions in my area.
>>29580760
>Not wanting something with a little history
Are you a fag or something? Even if all it did was sit around it still has a bit more history and cool factor than anything today
>>29580760
It's not all about being the best, most practical gun ever
>>29580760
Yes OP, my milsurp is totally like a Katana.
A Katana that shoots bullets...
Zo, I van a FEG (mak clone I believe).
But how do they rank up compared to make and the other clones?
Reason for wanting a FEG is family's Hungarian (Magyar). Californian, but gun is c&r, so no cucklisted. But.... ahhhhhh, tssssssss, ahhhhhh tssssss, I wanna cc it.... Live in Kern County, can get a ccw. But the nigras is real out hurr BLM and all that jazz. So a good gun is also a must.
School me /k/ can I go ethnic and still trust my life?
>>29583543
I don't understand why an AR would be choice for home defense. I'd rather have a shotgun. Less accuracy required, rounds don't go through whole house. Unless 10 ppl are trying to break in, in which case wtf are that many ppl trying to get you?
>>29588579
shot spread at short distances is very small and anything that is going to kill a person will penetrate a few layers of drywall. i understand youre trying to minimize the risk but if youre so worried that youre willing to give up the ability to immediately physically incapacitate a threat, there are frangible 5.56 that work just as well at destroying flesh and you can hold 30 of them.
>>29583542
So what?
It's not a slight to the design (which I love and admire as one of the greatest firearms of all time), it's an acknowledgment that modern manufacturing techniques and equipment have the potential to be much more precise, and when you combine them with even half of the effort that went into those old rifles, you will get a "better" product.
The old guns have soul, but frankly hand fitted doesn't mean tighter, straighter or better.
Where I'm from, SKSes are a dime a dozen, and unlike the US where most people's first guns are 10/22s or nuggets, here in Canada this is most people's first gun.
>>29588696
>Frankly
Ian detected
>>29588574
PA-63s are not really Makarov clones
there are several differences, but they are chambered for the same 9x18mm Makarov caliber
PA-63s are generally pretty solid guns, suitable but not ideal for CC
if you want it, I'd say go for it and use it for CC, but save up and get a dedicated concealed carry piece later
>>29588231
Well that sucks. Maybe trade it for something for something that will eat cheap ammo or start rolling your own. Once you have the reloading gear, you can make ammo for less than the price of steel case and it will still be more accurate.
>>29588646
An AR in house just seems like worst compromise between a rifle length weapon and a pistol. Pistol is more maneuverable, lots of rounds, less power and less accurate. Rifle is harder to maneuver through house, more powerful. I feel like if I need 30 rounds to deal with intruders things have really gone downhill more than they should.
As for stopping power... Dad shot a nuisance deer at edge of town with buckshot last spring (BC near houses)... 25 yards or so. Not only did it die immediately, wasn't much usable from front quarters. Can't imagine what it would do to a man at closer range.
>>29588812
id never get rid of it but i am going to start reloading soon. i doubt ill have much use for particularly accurate ammunition since the longest range i can use is 100 yards. kind of a shame to have such a potentially accurate rifle that i wont really get to use for a while.
>>29588897
one of the nice things about an ar is that it can be pretty much any length youd like it to be. if you start with a pistol receiver it can be as small as you want, hold 30 rounds, and you have a stupidly large selection of self defense ammo to choose from.
>>29580760
I don't know why everyone shits on milsurps. I don't hunt or want to use one for SHTF. For hunting I'll use my Grandfather's old Remington 700 or my Browning Light 12. For SHTF I'd use my AR-15 with just the basics, no meme tier sights or lasers or any of that shit. The point I'm trying to make here is some people like milsurps to collect them not for some persons asinine fantasy of SHTF. You do you here, if you hate milsurps no one if forcing you to buy them I just enjoy the history, how they look, and how they shoot. One day if I have kids I can teach them about the history and the soldiers who used these rifles so the history can live on.
>>29588737
Yeah, but how does the Hungarian FEG stack up to maks and pa63's?
>>29580760
I'm in cuckifornia and I bought a chinese SKS for $250. Can't really beat that kind of bang for your buck given the legal restrictions we have here. It's fun as hell too.
>>29589159
I'm this guy.
I'm quite large in weight and height. I can cc a G.I. 1911 in 50g.i. if I wanted to. Fuck, anyone can cc a deagle brand deagle on your thigh inside of cargo shorts by cutting a hole in your pocket to reach through.
I just want what I want, but unsure as to whether it's worth it.
>>29589159
uh, PA-63s are made by FEG
they're similar to Maks, but they have an alloy frame instead of steal
they're lighter, but less comfortable to shoot
similar reliability and accuracy and whatever else
it'll work just fine
>>29589331
Thank you sir.
>>sees feg in .32acp on jgsales.com
Would a .32acp penetrate a full grown nigra skull, and stop a raging nigger bull outside of hitting the 'fatal t' zone?
>>29589430
I'd stick to .380 or 9mm Mak
.32 is really light
>>29587835
They're more common than you think, my Dad has one. I'm currently on the look out for one myself to convert to .308.
