Is there a better production .45 pistol than the Mark 23?
>>29574644
Maybe.
>>29574644
If they could somehow strap a pair of tits to the Mk. 23 then it'd be the best .45 out there.
>>29574660
>implying that wouldent only make it beat out the current production mark 23
>>29574656
Squishy Squishy?
In all honesty, no. From what I've heard, they are absolutely the best.
Any 1911 will be better
>>29574644
There's no doubt that the Mark 23 is a fine piece. I've never fired one, but I've heard the trigger and accuracy are match grade, and 13 rounds is a good capacity for a .45acp. If you live in an area that allows for suppressors it's even better. It was tailored for special forces and it shows. On the civilian side of the spectrum I imagine it would also function really well as a competition pistol (it's way too big for carry).
Pic is one of sweetest .45's I've ever fired.
>>29574644
FNX45 is surely a contender, if not an equal
These feel ridiculously good in the hand considering how large they are. I thought it would be unwieldy, but I wanted one the instant I picked it up.
Why do HK guns have that weird as fuck mag release?
>>29574911
they're not weird, they're just uncommon for the US market. several other companies use them.
>>29574925
Literally who? Ive never seen it on a FN, Sig or Glock. I have seen it on a very small number of Walthers.
>>29574844
Hold one and you will see it is in no way an equal to a mark 23.
>>29574824
>1911 fags are worse than ARfags
>>29575106
You're right, the ergonomics are far superior as is the capacity.
>>29575122
No, Ergos on both are similar to the point I would say its a push.
Yes, the FNXt has a better capacity but here are thing where the MK23 beats it
>trigger
>Accuracy
>reliability
>build quality
>use with a suppressor
I have owned both, and within 1 month of buying my Mark 23 I sold the FNXt
>>29575106
I have held, and shot both. I don't think you can just do >muh subjectivity and win out on this one.
>>29574832
for action pistol shooting, you don't really want a .45
9mm or .40 or 9 Major/.38 Supercomp.
>>29574911
Because its better.
>>29574644
HK USP 45.
Tactical model is a freaking surgeon's tool.
>>29575165
The Mark 23 does everything a USPt does but better, except for CC which is stupid to try with either
>>29574844
>FNX
>if not an equal
>>29574644
NOPE!
>>29574644
No
>>29575158
I see a lot of 1911's at IPSC events (unless it's production division where 9mm is king). I live in Canada, we're always limited to 10 rounds in pistols regardless of caliber, so the capacity advantage of the .40 doesn't apply. It really just comes down to recoil, and some people handle the recoil of the .45 better.
>>29575231
thats hideous
>>29574844
Contender, yes.
Equal, hell no. The fit and finish on the Mark 23 is far superior. Plus the Mark 23 has very official and very rigorous testing to back it up. The FN, not so much.
>>29574946
HK uses them on every one of their pistols, with a few exceptions I think.
Walther does it too. The pp series has never had a button release, but pretty much all of their modern stuff has a paddle release, with the exception of the ppx, and the CCP.
Walther compromises though, in the sense that they usually make two versions of their most popular mdels to please both sides; the standard PPQ comes with a paddle, but you can get a button version, the PPS has a paddle, but the new ppsm2 will have a button.
P99 is paddle style, they don't make a button version.
>>29574644
Two Mark 23's.
>>29575231
Nice slide. It should give some lucky sniper a nice target to aim for.
>>29575765
>http://www.waltherarms.com/handguns/ppk/ppk-ppks/
Walther PPK has a button release.....
>>29575805
Sorry I fucked up typing. Phone. I meant to say the pp series (ppk included) has ALWAYS had a button release. They've never had a paddle on the pp/ppk
>>29575765
PPQ a shit
>>29574644
FNX45 Tactical
best pistol on the market
>>29576292
It's obvious you've never shot a mark 23. Literally everyone who has says the 23 is superior. Although some say the fnx is a better bargain
>>29576316
>>29575655
Look, I don't even have a dog in this fight. But having both held and shot both guns I did not, do not, and don't think I ever will see what you guys are on about with the HK being hands down better. you can say fit and finish, and I get that it's easy to get subjective, but I'd like to see actual round count reliability tests, accuracy from machine rest tests, etc.
If you say it's just superior because it feels like it is, then you might as well add a
>for me
to the end of every post.
>>29576438
Are you really that unaware of the testing the mk23 went under? It very well may be the most tested firearm ever and surely is the most tested pistol.
>>29574644
Anything and everything made by SIG in .45 with the exception of the 1911s.
>>29576461
You miss the point. It's good. I know it's good. I want to see how the FN compares.
>>29576461
And yet it can't mount a modern flashlight, and HK won't release a version with a real rail on it
>>29576494
>what are adapters
I know it's gay, but it isn't like its hard to mount a flashlight to it.
Is $1733 a good deal for a brand new Mark 23?
>>29576549
Dealer is around $1700 so yes $1733 is a good deal
>>29576549
>$1733
state?
you could do worse
>>29576561
No dealer price is 1828. I know this because I just bought mine last month and I am a dealer.
>>29576585
>No dealer price is 1828. I know this because I just bought mine last month and I am a dealer.
What is qty discounts?
What is mfg stocking programs?
Buying 1 off lipseys is not the same as buying 500 direct
>>29576585
>I work at a store and I don't know how economy of scale works
>>29576567
>>29576561
Alaska.
It is dealer cost. My buddy at work is an FFL and told me he'll sell it to me at his cost + tax. Comes to $1733. I really want it.
>>29576676
then it is a good deal.
If you can afford one? Yeah I'd say so. And it's not just the gun, it's the accessories for the gun that you keep spending money on. If you hate having money, then you'd enjoy the Mark 23.
FNX Tactical is better at capacity and affordability (compared to the Mark23) and has everything you'd want out of the box. And by box I mean fancy ass carrying case. Mags for the FNX do become an issue after long usage and they aren't cheap. But hey! 15 rounds of 45 acp. Be prepared for squishy squishy memes.
Or you could be a true savage and get the HK45ct with only 10 rounds, but the Navy SEALs use it to kill Osama and dem terrorists. And Larry Vickers has some input on it so expect it to function best between operations to and from a McDonalds.
>>29576519
Adapters make the light sit to low and ruin the already dismal selection of holsters
>>29575106
I can get my hands around a fnx. The mk23 is like holding a desert eagle
>>29576316
Yeah because they are trying to justify why they dropped double the price on a inferior gun
>>29576494
they were designed to mount one of two lights: the PEQ-6 or the PEQ-14. that's it. it's a military contract gun without any need or desire for aftermarket compatibility. instead it was meant to have the best accessory rail that is both simple and easy to use, difficult to damage, and easy to build parts for.
it also predates rails on pistols by nearly a decade.
>>29576748
the MK23 is slimmer than the FNX. it has a similar grip profile to a 1911 Para, and is very close to a normal USP. it has a large slide and is longer than most pistols though, which is where the desert eagle comparisons come from.
small girl hands need not apply.
>>29575305
the recoil impulse of the .40 is shorter in duration.
i don't really like the cartridge either, but it's better for this case. i'm probably getting a .40 SPS Pantera this year for Limited.
All I want to know is can you load the magazine backwards?
>>29576793
I'm well aware of all of those things.
The mk23 is still incompatible with modern lights, and HK isn't going to update the design. That it's compatible with what was cutting edge 20 years ago doesn't mean much now.
>better trigger
>better controls
>better ergonomics
>has a non-shit maritime finish
And don't let me get started on the price.
>>29574644
FNX .45 Tacticool
>inb4 squishy
>>29576950
>Better controls
>better trigger
>better finish
you mean
>shit button mag release instead of glorious paddle masterrace
>glock clone striker trigger
>doesnt have a twice-baked up-rated hostile environment finish
in short:
kill yourself for posting that umarex M2 garbage
>>29576950
>trigger
Nigger the trigger on a mark 23 is pure sex
>>29576793
nothing like hunting down a $1200 light for your $2300 gun
>>29577248
1200 would be dirt cheap for a LAM
>>29576950
I love the PPQ, but I doubt it could take the abuse the Mark 23 can.
Walther builds great pistols. But the ruggedness is not quite on the level of HK.
>>29577070
The PPQ, nor the PPQ 45 are umarex built.
Umarex stuff is proofed in Koln. See that little antler on the slide? Ulm proofed. Not umarex built.
>>29578644
FFS I don't understand the umarex hate. Walther has been a WHOLLY OWNED subsidiary of Umarex since 1993. EVERYTHING made by walther post '93 is a "umarex".
>>29574644
No OP, actually there isn't.
However some people will claim a 1911 or FNX is.
>>29575231
thats fucking sexy, got more pics of banana gun?
>>29578830
Umarex only produces BB- and Gas guns, Walther makes the real guns
>>29580459
What's up with the gas guns? Who are they aimed at?
>>29577273
>>29577248
Aren´t there cheaper, unofficial options?
>>29574832
Isn´t that the 22lr version
>>29580478
You can't cc here in Germany (at least not as a normal person), but you can cc gas guns that shoot cs or pepper gas or just blanks. The license is ~50€ and available for everybody, officially for protection against wild animals, but everybody knows it's for self defence
>>29575231
[hilarious nigger joke]
There, I said it first. Now give me (you)s
>>29576606
>>29576626
nogungs here.
is it common for gun dealers to stock up like this on guns? say buying 100 USP's ?
i always thought they mostly order on demand
>>29574644
Do they come in 9mm?
Cheaper ammo is my fetish.
>>29580627
my LGS bought something like 14 VP9's last week
he tells me the one thing they will always have is Glocks. apparently they sell at least one or two a day
>>29580638
>mk23
>in 9mm
>cheaper ammo
>in a $1900 gun
sounds like the FN Five-seveN is a little more your speed, buddy guy
>>29576723
>get the HK45ct with only 10 rounds
Been thinking about getting one for carrying inna woods when the wild hogs attack.
Reviews seem very positive and I could get the normal HK45c version for around 660€ here. I don't really like the Glock grips, so a 30s isn't ab option
>>29580650
Gun last 5ever.
Food I have to keep replenishing
If I get splinter cell gun, I pay arm or leg in long run.
>>29580758
.45 isn't that expensive, though
squishy squishy
>>29580767
It´s twice as much than 9mm in germanistan.
>tfw no LAM allowed
>tfw can only get silencers with special permits
I will still buy that thing as soon as I´m able to.
>>29574644
Is USP improvement of mk23?
I like USP. Out if all the rent-a-finger-fuck at local range brothel, kept going back to the USP, but keep hearing 'don't buy HK faggot'
>>29580787
>Germoney
there's your problem
>>29580799
no
USP is just the offshoot of the MK23
>>29580844
To be fair, it´s not that bad here. Most of the stuff you could ever want is allowed here and I can drive a couple of hours to some eastern europe city to shoot full auto AKs, Uzis, MP5s and all that shit. Certain ranges even let you throw hand grenades for 60€
>>29580879
but you can't carry, and that's basically equivalent to not being able to own guns at all. I will never understand why germoney has such an aversion to letting its people defend themselves
>>29580844
What's diff? Is mk23 better? Why? Just curious friend thank you for sharing knowledge.
>>29580902
Well that´s fucked, I agree. They only let you CC if you´re in some kind of "dangerous" profession. A lot of people carry anyway though.
>tfw one of the Charlie Hebdo guys tried to apply for a license numerous times but the wouldn´t allow him to carry
Which .45 ACP pistol is the US military using at the moment?
The only .45 I own
>forest ranger elite edition
>>29580918
MK23 has a hardended finish above and beyond the Hostile Environment USP finish, separate safety/decocker, more interior room for shit to stay out of the way of the action, the ability to fire 45 Super reliably, extanded trigger guard, and meatier rails.
>>29580921
>kek
we have states that have pretty much the same laws as germany, and they're all shitholes, which is why a lot of americans are so pissed that the country that a significant portion of their lineage hails from is going that way. Maryland is the same way, and literally every part of maryland you could go to will make you wish to god you could carry.
>>29580922
I'd guess the P229 if they even use that
>>29580958
The worst thing is that most CC licenses are given to politicans or their bodyguards. You know, to the people responsible for turning our citys into shitholes.
>>29580627
Some gun shops buy 380 Glocks at once.
>>29580958
I wish they made USP mk23 variant.
Love to have my main 9mm
>>29580922
Seals aparantly use hk45ct
>>29580958
>feed .45 super reliably
What's wrong with feeding in the USP?
>>29574911
It's not that weird, just use your middle finger instead of your thumb and you don't ned to shift grip.
>>29582700
fire, not feed
the chamber support is more robust in the MK23
>>29582700
Shooting .45 super in guns not rated for it is basically like shooting 556 in .223 only guns.
You may not instantly have a problem, but down the line you will.
>>29574844
Oh wow I didn't know the FNX was capable of handling a full diet of .45 Super
>>29580601
(you) earned it buddy
>>29575794
Or maybe unlike most of /k/ bananon is willing to admit his MK-23 is never going to be used in a real combat situation, and is basically an expensive range toy or perhaps a great conversation piece. Or who knows, maybe he competes with it.
>>29583233
I was under the impression that USP's were more than capable of handling a steady diet of .45 Super.
Obviously not as robust as the Mk23 (I've seen artillery that isn't as robust as the Mk23), but surely they are robust enough.
>>29583579
>USP
>talking about a FNX
2 different guns nigger. Although I would advise against shooting alot of super in a USP
>>29583608
The post I replied to was a reply to a post about the USP, the FNX wasn't mentioned in that string of posts.
Nigger.
USP Elite
>>29583233
In every USP or MK23 manual it's clearly states p +p or super ammo
>Anything but bubbaloads
Are covered in warranty and will pose no damage.
You think they'd post that w-o testing?
Get your facts straight before you do
SigFag
>>29576561
No get a p226 Legion. It's better in every way including not being a retarded caliber
>>29575231
>uh bang bang bang bang bang bang bang
>Banana gun
>DO DO DO DODO DO
>>29576950
Nigger that garbage is not even in the top 5
>>29586811
The legion bit is just a fucking sales tactic. There is no Mark 23 and the Mark 23 Legion btcause the Mark 23 is a complete fucking package. Fuck off sigfag
>>29574644
Like, all of them?
>>29580993
kek
Applebees just flew out of my nose
>>29581190
You mean the USP Tactical?
>>29575231
>Dat wilcox LAM
WANT
>>29587774
You know anywhere to get a threaded barrel in .400 Cor-Bon?
>>29587774
Mk23 has a nicer butt. Sits better I think
>>29587529
Is that why LEOs air Marshalls secret service and special forces around the world all use mk23s instead of p226/229s? :^)
>>29589878
maybe in the 90's grandpa, solid snake doesnt even use a MK.23 anymore
>>29591241
>solid snake
MGS4 isn't canon [spoiler] Kojima never wanted to make it [/spoiler]
>>29589878
They get what they're issued. Modern SIGs work just fine for the needs they must meet and are way cheaper than the Mk. 23
>>29574844
>I've never held an fnx .45
>>29575122
Tumorous bulbous mags that hold a few more rounds.
When there are comfy as fuck 20 round mags for an hk usp in .45
What is .45 super.
The grip on fn pistols a.k.a. ergonomics are purely a matter of opinion and in mine they suck goddamn haji balls in comparison to any hk.
Those little fn bumps... ewww. They feel so cheap and coarse and shitty, like a dogs chew toy. Literally. A pink nylabone my dog has has the same feeling except it's 1911 thickness.
>>29576292
>>29576316
Better bargain. The fnx is cheaper by far. You can feel it too.
It's the kin to the ptr in battle rifle threads lmao.
if it cant shoot 10mm, it sucks
>>29576438
He's just an ignorant baby guise take it easy on him. Its not his fault he hasn't read or bothered to google or been part of a forum for long enough to have come across hk reliability testing. Specifically the .45 most screenshotted letter with an insane round count that could only be guaranteed to be past and the pistol just needed new springs. Anyone have it handy?
>>29576726
Keep moving the goalposts faggot. I don't see anybody besides custom shitty kidex holsters for my roommates fnx.
>>29576774
>you can have a bugatti veyron quality car for half the cost, i swear, promise, my friend got one. I sat in it.
>>29574644
a .45 luger :^)
>>29577248
>>29577248
Lol did you buy a mark 23 when you were only nigger rich? Excuse the world for not giving you the budget of the best equipped military in the world.
>>29580638
Nigga what the fuck? Jeez you're killing me smalls.
>>29583608
Oh yeah because your fnx has been deemed after so much testing to be capable of handling even close to the amount of super a refular usp will before it cracks in half... or squishes.
I have a friend who's a trust fund kid that had all sorts of expensive guns including a MK 23.
I don't remember as being particularly impressed by it when I shot his.
>>29591889
Well I don't know what you expected.
What were you impressed by, if I may ask?
