9mm vs .45 ACP
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If this is their only argument then why are 9mm fags taken seriously?
>>29530993
>stopping power
>real
lol
>>29531011
>Hurr America only uses 9mm now becuz it's best
Ever notice how we haven't won a war since we stopped using the 1911?
>>29531040
no lewd loli >:(
>>29531040
>cunny bunny
>>29531054
Not lewd, she's laffing at you m8 :^)
>>29531040
because vietnam went so fucking well didn't it
>>29530993
I know this will be called bait and I'll get a bunch of smug anime faces in response,
but literally the only reason 9mm is popular is because of tactical shooting where idiots think they need to shoot over 100,000 rounds in order to be good, and 9mm is cheaper therefore its more popular in that cancerous circle of tacticool that is slowly consuming all firearms hobbies.
9mm isn't popular because its better or has a long service record, its popular because a cancerous group of people is marketing it as the most affordable and roll their eyes at other options only because of price.
If they cant shoot 1000 rounds of it without breaking the bank, its shit.
>>29531011
9mm because nato, not because its worth a damn.
>>29531073
Hippies fucked that up
Just like 9mm did for every other war after. Not only screwing morale by relying on a mix between a Jewish plastic toy and a woman's purse protection, but in it's inability to penetrate civilian car door windshields
>mfw 9mm is literally the hippie of bullets
>>29531040
because everyone knows the deciding factor in every armed conflict is choice of sidearm caliber
>>29531063
>those delicious feet
>not lewd
>>29531140
>Allowing yourself to be objectively weaker than the enemy in any regard when it can be avoided
>>29531099
Are you saying that's why NATO adopted it?
>>29531186
Feet are made for walking senpai
shoulders and armpits are the sexy not sexual part of female anatomy
>>29531140
>WWII
>Japs had 8mm
>America had .45
>America wins
Basically yes
>>29531040
First gulf war
We have this thread every day
>own several guns in both calibers
>enjoy shooting both
???
>>29530993
ive shot both and enjoy both. but with 9mm you get more ammo capacity and the ability to subdue more targets.
>>29531223
lowest bidder/price always wins. its not about whats the best, its about what meets the requirements set forward at the lowest price. thats how we get shitty equipment
>>29531281
Yes but it's important to determine which caliber is the best.
My vote goes to .357 SIG for selfloading pistols and .500 S&W Mag. for revolvers.
>>29531272
Don't forget Panama. And the Taliban. And we beat the Saddam in Round 2. Politics just fucked up the rest of the occupation
>>29531287
So what you're saying is 9mm is good for when you can't aim,
and when you're not trying to hit anything?
>>29531338
sure pal
>>29530993
the argument against 45 is that 45 hollow points and 9mm hollow points produce similar enough wound cavities that the difference in damage is negligible. thus, the round that let's you have more ammo per mag and less recoil would be superior
>>29531099
But modern 9mm rounds ARE better. They have sufficient penetration, good velocity, and the extremely slight increase in power you would get from .45s or .40s isn't worth the increased recoil or reduced magazine capacity.
All of this ignores the fact that pistol rounds as a whole will probably never be good. They all suck compared to rifle rounds. It's just a question of which sucks least. Ideally, the purpose of a pistol is to help you fight your way to a long arm.
>>29531338
Pretty sure he clearly said that you could engage more targets, but a .45 faggot like you wouldn't happen to actually read before you post, would you?
>>29531099
I actually think cost is the only truly reasonable reason to like 9mm.
I saw a sale on Blaser Brass ammo a few months ago - 2 bulk boxes for $179, now that $179 could buy you the following
400 rounds of 45
500 rounds of 40
700 rounds of 9mm
Just a simple comparison, but there is a lot more shooting to be done for the dollar with 9mm.
inb4 shop online - I do, I just saw an advertised price at Gander.
Almost any .45 ACP pistol can shoot .45 Super with minimal modification like springs.
.45 Super is pretty much 10mm but bigger bore.
>>29531411
The FBI has begun to call the significance of wound cavities into question, and they aren't the only ones. According to them, the big factors when using a handgun in combat are mag capacity, recoil, and penetration.
Basically, evidence from god knows how many gunfights has shown them
>even when a weapon is wielded by a fairly well trained citizen or officer, a good number of shots fired in a life or death situation will likely miss due to a number of factors. thus, mag capacity and the overall number of rounds you are able to carry on your person are of vital importance
>especially for police officers, ending the threat as soon as possible is paramount, in order to defend their own lives and the lives of innocents. as such, the speed with which officers can make accurate follow up shots is also an important factor. it would also go without saying that lower recoil=better aim
And finally
>stopping power is a myth. rather than the mythical 'one-shot stop', the aim of a defensive round should be to penetrate as deeply as possible, enabling it to reach vital organs and arteries. other than well-placed shots to the head or CNS, massive blood loss, or psychological shock, this is the only means by which the human target may be reliably incapacitated
They're right too. I remember seeing a video of a guy being plugged right between the shoulder blades with a .45, and it didn't even slow him down. Didn't even knock him back a step when he was hit.
I think this article sums it up nicely. This officer used a .45 against an armed suspect, and found it to be insufficient. Guy wasn't intoxicated or crazy. Just one really determined asshole.
https://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/
>>29533048
barf
>>29534911
Further on the subject of penetration, there's also things like heavy clothing, fat layers, car bodies, and auto glass to consider.
As far as I know, modern 9mm rounds, Lugers to be specific, have superior penetration. Pair that with lower recoil and higher mag capacity, and you see why the FBI switched back to it, and why other law enforcement agencies are following their lead.
It's something worth considering.
I'd much rather have double the rounds in a mag, even if it means each of those rounds is a fraction less powerful.
>>29535049
And it would only be a fraction. It's been pointed out already in this thread that most of the major defensive handgun rounds are ass compared to rifle rounds. If you're forced to engage a threat with a handgun, you may as well utilise the round that gives you the highest number of advantages. 'Stopping power' shouldn't even be a consideration.
>>29535049
My dad was in the army during the switchover from the 1911 to the M9 and that was how he felt. "I feel better with 15 in my fist instead of 7."
>>29531040
>america ever winning wars
>>29531099
After John gave the 1911 patent to the U.S. he kinda kicked himself for not chambering it in 9. One good thing about patent expirations were the creation of 1911's in 9mm, fulfilling the man's wishes,
>>29535113
What's the typical mag capacity for a 1911 chambered in 9mm? Say, a Colt Government?
>>29535164
Browning himself wanted it chambered in 9mm? Interesting.
>>29535201
After the fact, yes.
And yes I know he "sold" the patent, but that's only because the government forced him to take payment.
To him it was a civic duty, not a capitalist venture.
>>29535193
I'm fairly sure it's 9. I know Para-Ordnance does double stacks.
>>29530993
I want 9mm because they have larger magazines and usually less recoil. Even trained shooters will fuck up in a self defense shooting, and the faster fire of a 9mm gives me more wiggle room. I want as much opportunity to fuck up without dying as I can get
>>29535193
I work at a big box store that sells guns. The largest magazine for a 1911 we sell is 10 rounds. I know you can get .45 pistols with larger magazines than that, but none come close to 9mm magazines
I carry 9mm because I feel it's the best compromise of power, capacity, and gun size for that.
My HD gun is a 1911 in .45 though. I've never understood why people act like .45 has so much recoil. It's more like a push that a snap, and I personally find that easier.
>>29530993
I Iike shooting .45 put of 1911`s better for fun (I like the feel of the recoil) , but for all practical purposes I'd rather have a 9mm with more mag capacity. The .45 is just not a superior round in any measurable way. If you want a more powerful pistol, get a semi-automatic in .357 Magnum.
>>29535478
>I've never understood why people act like .45 has so much recoil. It's more like a push that a snap, and I personally find that easier.
Our society is full of limp-wristed faggots today.
I carry 9x18 because I give no fucks.
>>29530993
Both are adequate for SD. Both are inferior to long guns. .45 is more fun to shoot.
>>29536953
>penis grips
>>29535132
butthurt europoor detected
>>29536953
>>29536953
Hey it's that shitty pistol from STALKER!
