What is the most important out of the 3 to have on your gun?
>sling
>light
>optic
If you had one thing to put on your gun, which would it be?
>>29518507
Optic
>>29518507
You need all three to be effective.
If you actually use your weapon, in order of most necessary to least (assuming you have BUIS)
1.) Sling
2.) Optic
3.) Light
Sling
>>29518507
Sling
A sling.
I can just go iron sights for optics.
I can just choose not to go into pitch dark rooms and stay in my lit room with the door locked and 911 on the phone. If I need to move, it's not like light sources are THAT hard to come by.
>>29518507
sling>optic>light
a sling is a necessity
an optic is a useful convenience
a light is a convenience thats useless during the day and has its own drawbacks when used
its situationally useful
>>29518507
>1. Sling
>2. Optic
>3. Light
Bayonet
Sling
I'm not understanding how a sling is so important to all of you.
>>29523675
Probably because you dont actually use your weapons. Or walk more than ten feet holding it.
A sling is necessary to any defensive weapon because weapon retention, ability to use both hands, and the ability to hold the weapons for long periods.
According to army raw data just having a 3x optic made combat effectiveness stretch to 500yds and more than doubled accuracy.
A sling allows you to easily carry your weapon for long periods of time and allow you to sometimes better steady your weapon for longer-range shots
A light allows you to confirm a target and threat in a low-light situation
IMO on a home defense gun, a light is the most important. On anything else, it's an optic, followed by sling and then light.
>>29523693
I disagree.
Sling is for use of both hands and retention as well. Both of which are of vital purpose in a home defense situation.
You also dont need a weapon light. A head lamp or handheld light works as well.
You need the ability to use both hands in CQ situation. You also need to retain your weapon so dindu mcgee doesnt grab it from you and kill you with it when you fuck up a corner.
>>29523693
This
If I had to have just one for an all around SHTF rifle it would be my ACOG
I'll suck it up and carry the thing (not that fashioning a sling from rope or a belt would be hard) but being able to to scope areas and make precision shots requires an optic and you are not going to improvise a magnified optic in the field.
>>29518507
NOTHING
god made the M16 in his vision and it would be disgraceful to attach anything but magazines to it.
>>29523724
Why does it have provisions for a two point sling then
>>29523720
>If I had to have just one for an all around SHTF rifle it would be my ACOG
Why? You do realize that eventually rule of law will return and there is a good chance you'll have to answer to your shootings in court. Good luck defending why taking a shot at 300 yards was justified.
>>29523707
Ok 13 year old CoD MLGPRO, you're telling me you're so concerned with weapon retention that you'd rather hold a gun when you're holding a flashlight as well? Control of the weapon would be greatly compromised.
In home defense a flashlight is a must. You have little time, the attacker more than likely has the element of surprise and being FASTER is more desireable (Good luck throwing on your sling). But most importantly you don't want to take pot shots in the dark, it's a liability and can cost you or your family your life, and neighbors for that matter. Not having proper target identification is a liability, end of story.
99% chance you aren't going to tussle over your gun, anyway.
Are you guys retarded? An optic aids you in hitting a target. A sling lets you take your hands off your rifle. You're more concerned with being able to text your boyfriend with your rifle hanging off your body than you are hitting a target? Jesus Christ
>>29523742
I was surprised it took this long for the thread to turn to shit.
If you are putting a light on your rifle, it should be a surefire. If you can afford a surefire you can probably also afford a sling.
For general use, I'd go with the Sling first because I could always hit the lightswitch if need be and while I do have a light on my shotgun, my AR, and my AK, a handheld flashlight is a plus in my book because I don't have don't have to risk muzzle sweeping someone when trying to illuminate a room or hallway.
>>29523730
> replying to lazy bait
>>29523756
You can't really be this stupid, can you? Iron sights exist, if you haven't become proficient with them, you're probably not proficient with optics.
So, you can aim without an optic, but there's no weapon retention without a sling.
>>29523760
Go back to barf.com brandwhore fag
Surefire isn't the end all be all one and only. I've owned five surefire weapon lights, helmet lights and suppressors. But a product need not be manufactured by them to be effective and dependable.
>>29523787
lol u mad
The slingfags in this thread need to do some curls. Holy fuck seriously, I have hiked miles with both a 74 and a basic bitch AR, both of them without slings, and I was just fucking fine.
>but in a cqc situation you NEED both hands
Yeah, to hold your rifle and shoot the guy, faggot.
To actually answer OP, for operations and shit:
>optic
>sling
>light
Or, for actual practical close quarters:
>optic
>light
>sling
The only actual 'defensive' situation I have ever been in, I was with a group with rifles (imagine that). I literally couldn't see my irons because of how dark it was outside. That incident alone inspired me to put illuminated optics on every weapon I own. Anyone who says an illuminated, magnified optic isn't the most important and necessary item for their rifle hasn't thought about practically using it. If you're going to be carrying your rifle for days and days and might never use it (military or something) then sling becomes for important. But otherwise, fuck that.
>>29523742
>Ok 13 year old CoD MLGPRO,
Ironic projection. I know what the fuck I am talking about. What is your experience?
>you're telling me you're so concerned with weapon retention that you'd rather hold a gun when you're holding a flashlight as well? Control of the weapon would be greatly compromised.
There are multiple techniques to use a flashlight or headlamp or something like the sidewinder in addition to the rifle.
>In home defense a flashlight is a must. You have little time, the attacker more than likely has the element of surprise and being FASTER is more desireable (Good luck throwing on your sling)
It takes less than 2sec to throw on a sling and the exchange is the ability to not get killed with your own weapon, and open doors, and grapple if needed.
>But most importantly you don't want to take pot shots in the dark,
I agree which is why you need a light or you need to turn on the light switch.
>it's a liability and can cost you or your family your life,
So is not having proper weapon retention. Or the ability to fight off someone who lunges at you or tackles you. Even if someone is shot they can still assault you.
>and neighbors for that matter. Not having proper target identification is a liability, end of story.
I agree. Use a light source.
>99% chance you aren't going to tussle over your gun, anyway.
This is false. In close quarters this is a very real possibility.
Also what if you need both hands for something.
You have to put down your rifle which is a big no-no.
Also name-calling tells me you are young and have no idea what you are talking about.
>>29518507
I'll put what ever I want on my rifles because fuck you I have a loaded rifle.
Also, one point skins suck all of the dick.
How can you afford a light or optic and not be able to afford even the most basic sling?
Light. All duty guns require a light.
>>29523805
Its not a matter of strength. Mr Internet tough guy.
Its about
• Weapon Retention
• the absolutely VITAL ability to use both hands in a situation and not have to put down your weapon
• You can go longer distances with more comfort, there is a reason every first world military on earth uses some sort of sling. You can go longer with a weapon and a sling than someone else without the sling.
>>29523770
That's an ignorant and blind assumption to make.
How many gunfights have you been in?
>>29523675
How many long guns do you own? And do you ever take them farther than your trunk to the bench?
>>29523840
He doesnt need to be in a gunfight to say common sense shit like you need a weapon sling for retention and ability to use your hands.
If you dont use a sling or dont think its important its extremely evident you dont actually use your weapon in any real capacity.
Its equally important as a light and optic. But is absolutely necessary for a fighting rifle
>>29518507
For normal people, an optic.
For using it to hunt or do army shit then a sling makes life easier.
>>29523805
>I have hiked miles with both a 74 and a basic bitch AR, both of them without slings, and I was just fucking fine.
And you would have been even better with a sling. How poor are you that you can't afford something that costs all of $35 and objectively makes trekking with your rifle easier?
>>29523862
This. I agree with this guy.
Depends on application and if your a plinker or someone who plans on serious use.
>>29518507
Sling>Optic>>>>>>light
Optics are fucking amazing compared to iron sights but being able to climb a ladder and such without a monstrous hassle seems more than slightly useful. If you needed the gun in a hurry I would definitely rather have on my person a gun with iron sights than a gun with optics on the ground somewhere out of reach.
To play devil's advocate though picture related seems to be just fine without a sling and I bet he wouldn't mind an acog on that carry handle.
Lights are useful too but a "if at all possible yes please but if not I'll make due" kind of thing.
>>29518507
>tfw extremely far sighted
>tfw I don't need an optic to shoot over 300 yards
>tfw I'm wearing reading glasses right now so I don't strain my eyes just by looking at my computer screen
>>29523837
Okay my orange friend, name me one situation where you NEED two hands. And don't say climbing, because every climbing situation I've been in whether hiking or otherwise I use one hand almost exclusively
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>>29523921
Can you explain what you gain by not having a sling, because right now it seems like I'm looking at a deluded povertyfag trying to rationalize his poor choices.
>>29523951
>>29523866
I just didn't have good slings with me that day. The OP question was for the most important. Slings are very important, and I much prefer hiking with one, but your rifle is literally half as useful without a good optic. So optics are more important. The handful of times I've needed my rifle everything was over in 5-10 minutes. Even the weakest of us could hold a gun for that long. But at night, only the best of us could make a good shot without an illuminated optic.
>>29523921
>Okay my orange friend, name me one situation where you NEED two hands.
Is this bait?
>And don't say climbing, because every climbing situation I've been in whether hiking or otherwise I use one hand almost exclusively
Yup this is bait.
If this isnt bait I am extremely disappointed in /k/.
>>29523707
I would be inclined to agree with you but..
Retention>positive Id/illumination>visual aid/luxury
A headlamp would work if it weren't for the massive fuckinf shadow being cast by the gun, which is why so many lights are mounted far forward.
>>29523760
Good thing that's not what the thread was about.
>>29523921
>every climbing situation I've been in whether hiking or otherwise I use one hand almost exclusively
You climbing a mountain of porn doesn't count fruitcup.
Aimpoint T1 w/ QD mount
Surefire M600V White/IR Light
Blue Force Vickers Padded 2pt'er Sling
>>29523979
>>29523999
I think you guys are missing the point of what I'm saying. I use a sling (BlackHawk 3 point) every time I use my rifle. But it's not the most important to me, that would be my illuminated 3x magnified prism sight. I do most of my activities at night so without that optic or a red dot or whatever, you basically have a loud, indiscriminate weapon. Have you ever shot with irons at night? It sucks ass
>>29524046
Yeah nobody gets what the OP is saying I think.
Sling is important but Optic makes the rifle 2x as functional and a Light is a light for at night
>>29523978
Oh so all of this vast experience as with one whole day and a few 10 minute intervals. Thanks for this insight, truly life changing
> sling
> light
> optic
I understand why many choose an optic over a flashlight but imho properly confirming whoever you're about to shoot isnt a family member/ friend is so paramount that a light is an absolute necessity.
I won't even argue with people who say slings arn't #1. A decent blackhawk nylon sling will cost you $10, a surplus sks or Ak sling will cost even less. I'm suprised more rifles don't come with slings from the factory.
>>29524028
>Blue Force Vickers Padded 2pt'er Sling
> tfw went with the unpadded version
On one hand it doesn't seem worth it to upgrade but on the other I know I bought the inferior version.
>>29524046
Oh you use a 3 point deathtrap. That's why you prioritise the sling so low
>>29524129
its padded for your pleasure
not much of a difference really but padded is super comfy
>>29523691
>>29523851
Three "long guns" and a shotgun.
It was a serious question. Sure would be impractical to hike all the way up there without a scope and a wasted trip if I didn't have my rifle in my hand when I spooked something out of a bush.
>>29524287
I wanted an FNAR until I watched a video on field stripping one.
So from what I'm seeing so far it which is most important depends on these things.
Do you hunt in dense woods, where a scope has little value but climbing a tree does?
Is this your home defense weapon for innahouse?
Do you have unobstructed views of more than 200m, or accept that you only use your rifle at the range?
>>29524582
Just get all three senpai
>>29523979
It's a tripshit. Just give up and move on.
There's also 2xchan if you're interested in discussion, flags and few tripwhores.
>>29524599
>middy
>CTR
>KAC 600m
>MD on an ADM mount
>Offset surefire on a Haley Strategic mount
>VFG
H-hey other me...
>>29524599
what foregrip is that?
>>29524781
a vertical one
>>29524781
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-GUN-FIGHTER-s-Vertical-Grip-SHORT-Black-p/bcm-vg-s-blk.htm
>>29524796
thanks man, i appreciate it.
>>29524791
lol smartass
>>29518537
/fucking thread
>>29524599
Depends on the gun and it's purpose. No point keeping a flash light on a rifle you hunt with when state laws prevent you from hunting at night.
No point in a sling on a innahouse gun to get caught up on that chair in the kitchen your kid left out, or any optic really since you should definitely just point and shoot at >25 feet.
Would all three have more advantages over the reverse? Yeah, It would. But tailored specifically for each purpose works as well too.
>>29523809
My HD weapon is an FNP Tactical 45, with a streamlight and an RMR on it plus a small can and talon grips.
It covers all my bases and sits cocked, locked, safety on in a kydex holster attached to my bed frame. Unholstering, flicking the light on and safety off can be done in one fluid motion one handed.
When it comes to home defense, the less you have to do the better. Especially in a small home. In my apartment by the time I roll over to aknowledge a BANG BANG CRASH the guy has enough time to get within arms reach of me. A sling, or rifle won't help. A light, flashlight and suppressor does. No way am I going into a safe, grabbing my AR, chambering a round, putting on the sling, and putting on hearing protection.
This argument is subjective to the situation and what's at need. I THINK what the OP wants is, he's on a budget and wants to pick between the three. If that's the case he probably doesn't have a budget for anything other than an airsoft optic so...
>>29524802
And yet all three of those are things which aren't required to me effective. How interesting
>>29524863
>state laws prevent you from hunting at night
Did you look into that at all before you said it?Or any of the things that just came out of you?
I'd say optic>sling>light you can improvised basic sling fairly easily but the same can't be said for an optic.
>>29525141
http://www.hightechredneckincorporated.com/articles.asp?ID=261
>>29518507
Sling.
Try hiking or even just walking a few miles with a rifle in your hand, it gets old real quick.
>>29523805
Nobody is complaining about the rifle being too heavy.
Having both hands occupied by a rifle for hours is a bitch, having to stop and set it down for a drink of water or to do some sort of menial task is fucking annoying. Weapons retention is important as well. Even a shitty $10 sling can solve that problem.
>>29525116
That's probably because you aren't effective.
>>29523693
>>sling
hola
>>29523732
shut the fuck up. dont even buy a rifle is that is what you are worried about. go target shoot with a bb gun.
>>29518507
optic.
You can nig rig the rest and they will still be effective.
i hope all you guys saying light know how to use a light effectively. you dont just turn that bitch on and start scanning around everywhere. give yourself away to get shot.
if i could only have one, id choose 1-4 illuminated optic. home defense? most likely be looking over my turrets anyway. shtf? rather have the magnification than irons and a sling.
>>29518507
Rifle, an optic
Pistol, a light
>>29526174
You carry that pistol without a holster, then? Because that would be analogous to a rifle without a sling.
>>29522803
Hey, what are the specs on that rifle?
I am looking to put something together like that.
Total price?
